I would pair up Pronger with Niedermayer for the Sedins

There is no way the Sedins will be able to handle the ducks checking line. Nied-Pahhlson-Moen drove Gaborik and co. absolutely nuts....just imagine what they will do to the sedins. And if you ask me, shutting down Gaborik and Demitra is a lot bigger task than shutting down the sedins. And the ducks did it with ease.

And im not big on loading up your big guns on one line, but this is one matchup where I would seriously consider pairing Nieder with Pronger against the sedins and make it that much harder. ODonnell and Beusch for the 2nd pairing is good enough for the Nazzy line.

Vancouver is a one line team, shut down the sedins and you will be alright.

LOL

gaborik+Demitra are NOT better than the twins, obviously gabby is better than them, but togeather no way wilds duo beats the twins.



and you can match anyone you want with the twins, they will still do their thing

I don't know. The Beauchemin/S. Nieds combo has been money since last year. I don't think you can split them up. And OD has had time to develop chemistry with Pronger.

But, a Nieds/Pronger defensive combo would rock! :D

LOL

nuff said.

Well can you prove him wrong?

LOL

gaborik+Demitra are NOT better than the twins, obviously gabby is better than them, but togeather no way wilds duo beats the twins.



and you can match anyone you want with the twins, they will still do their thing

You guys barely, and I mean "barely" were able to get through Zubov, Sydor, Barnes, Halpern and Lundqvist, how do you think the sedins have any chance against the ducks checking unit? If it wasnt for Zubov out tonight, i doubt Henrik scores that first goal.

There is no way the Sedins will be able to handle the ducks checking line. Nied-Pahhlson-Moen drove Gaborik and co. absolutely nuts....just imagine what they will do to the sedins. And if you ask me, shutting down Gaborik and Demitra is a lot bigger task than shutting down the sedins. And the ducks did it with ease.

And im not big on loading up your big guns on one line, but this is one matchup where I would seriously consider pairing Nieder with Pronger against the sedins and make it that much harder. ODonnell and Beusch for the 2nd pairing is good enough for the Nazzy line.

Vancouver is a one line team, shut down the sedins and you will be alright.

I think we'll save the Prongermayer monster for desparate situations. The Niedermayer/Beauchemin and Pronger/O'Donnell lines have worked fine.

With your guys' checking line, you do not need to pair Pronger with Neidermayer. The checking line is going to take care of business on their own, and that's going to be the series in a nutshell.

Great. Another series against a Canadian team. There won't be psychopaths on every thread or anything.

The Ducks would be fools to underestimate the Canucks. We all saw how Backstrom kept the Wild in every game. Luongo is going to do the same. Its going to be a close match. The Ducks never do anything easy.

There is no way the Sedins will be able to handle the ducks checking line. Nied-Pahhlson-Moen drove Gaborik and co. absolutely nuts....just imagine what they will do to the sedins. And if you ask me, shutting down Gaborik and Demitra is a lot bigger task than shutting down the sedins. And the ducks did it with ease.

And im not big on loading up your big guns on one line, but this is one matchup where I would seriously consider pairing Nieder with Pronger against the sedins and make it that much harder. ODonnell and Beusch for the 2nd pairing is good enough for the Nazzy line.

Vancouver is a one line team, shut down the sedins and you will be alright.

:huh: That's just asking to be creamed by the other lines.

The stars 5 man checking unit did an incredible job shutting down the sedins up until 2nd period tonight. They badly missed Zubov tonight, you could even see it in their transition game, they just couldnt rush the puck up ice. :(

hmm maybe you will **** down the sedins but we get alot of scoring from our defence only team in the regular season with 3 defencemen above 10 goals: Salo 14 Bieksa 12 or 13? Ohlund 12. Pyatt and Linden are pretty good secondary scores but Scotty and Pronger and intimidating

hmm maybe you will shut down the sedins but we get alot of scoring from our defence only team in the regular season with 3 defencemen above 10 goals: Salo 14 Bieksa 12 or 13? Ohlund 12. Pyatt and Linden are pretty good secondary scores but Scotty and Pronger and intimidating

edit: what is wrong with this thing it keeps quoting me!

Maybe we don't have to shut you down. Maybe we could just outscore you?

Maybe we don't have to shut you down. Maybe we could just outscore you?

A powerplay shuts down the Canucks offense.

Vancouver is a one line team, shut down the sedins and you will be alright.

The Dallas Stars shut down the twins. Were they alright? :teach:

Vancouver are built for the playoffs and are able to roll three lines. They are missing two very important pieces in their lineup, but they should still be able to put up a few goals.

And the Ducks shouldn't worry too much about shutting Vancouver down because they can easily outscore them.

Why fix what isn't broken?

Great. Another series against a Canadian team. There won't be psychopaths on every thread or anything.
The level of psychosis can usually be measured by how long it takes for said persons to complain about Hayward's homerism.

It's the first sign of desperation, when things are so bad, the only thing said psychopaths can criticize another team about is their announcing team.

I also use this as a barometer for how hard I should laugh when kings fan tell me why the Ducks suck and kings rule. In general, it is an inverse proportion relationship. The more vile hate they have for Hayward, the harder I laugh.

The Dallas Stars shut down the twins. Were they alright? :teach:

Vancouver are built for the playoffs and are able to roll three lines. They are missing two very important pieces in their lineup, but they should still be able to put up a few goals.

And the Ducks shouldn't worry too much about shutting Vancouver down because they can easily outscore them.

Up till the 2nd period tonight, the nucks 2nd'dary scoring was a complete non-factor. Stars just werent the stars tonight, they had no jump, they badly missed Zubov, their transition game was inexistant, they werent hungry.

Had Zubov been in the lineup, I still say Stars would have won the game 1-0. THe 2nd period is where the stars fell apart, and had #56 been in the lineup, he just wouldnt have allowed that. Have we ever seen the stars get dominated that badly with Zubov in the lineup? never

Won't happen. Anaheim fairly dominated the Canucks most of the season. They will play their game, and they will control the game doing that. Overloading their D line would weaken them throughout, not strengthen them.

The Dallas Stars shut down the twins. Were they alright? :teach:

Vancouver are built for the playoffs and are able to roll three lines. They are missing two very important pieces in their lineup, but they should still be able to put up a few goals.

And the Ducks shouldn't worry too much about shutting Vancouver down because they can easily outscore them.
Uh Dallas was alright, incase you forgot they nearly beat you when you had the series put away.

It's hard to compare Gaborik and Demitra to the Sedins... they play two different games. The Sedins are all about cycling the puck. Their game has come alive in the "new" NHL because opposing d-men can't simply pin them up by hooking and holding anymore. It will definately be interesting to see what happens. The Ducks certainly have options to use against them. I actually think Niedermayer may be more effective against the twins because he's a better skater... although Pronger's reach may break up a lot of the cycling passes. The Sedins won't alter their game though no matter who Anaheim throws at them... they'll still get their 2 or 3 chances per game and cash in on a few of them throughout the series and that's all that is really required of them.

It's also kind of silly to compare Anaheims defencemen to the Stars defencemen. Again, the two teams play different styles. The Stars mentality was defence first -- it was a total team concept, lines 1-4. In that system, imposing defencemen aren't necessarily required.

And I don't think Papabear has seen Beauchemin play enough, he adds a physical dimension to that pairing. Pronger/O'Donnell can play vs either of their top two lines and either pound the Sedins or pound Naslund/Morrison

And I don't think Papabear has seen Beauchemin play enough, he adds a physical dimension to that pairing. Pronger/O'Donnell can play vs either of their top two lines and either pound the Sedins or pound Naslund/Morrison

Ive seen a fair bit of Francois and I like the way he plays. Hes tough as nails, can hit like a truck, get under the oppositions skin, good skater, you name it. Hes a perfect partner for Scott. His fight with Iggy last years playoffs was the turning point for them.

Too much of Anaheim's offense goes through Pronger and Niedermayer. Do you really want them launching up-ice passes to Moen/Pahlsson/Niedermayer most of the time?

Too much of Anaheim's offense goes through Pronger and Niedermayer. Do you really want them launching up-ice passes to Moen/Pahlsson/Niedermayer most of the time?

So you haven't been watching the Ducks all season long...

I don't think it will be necessary to pair nieds and pronger agaist twin brothers

they are not that dangerous to split our 2 great defense pairing in

nieds - king and pronger - o'donnell

Ive seen a fair bit of Francois and I like the way he plays. Hes tough as nails, can hit like a truck, get under the oppositions skin, good skater, you name it. Hes a perfect partner for Scott. His fight with Iggy last years playoffs was the turning point for them.
I figured you knew enough we are a much better team with two strong pairs than one great one. If the Canucks 3rd/4th liners can score when Huskins/Dipenta are out power to them.

Vancouver is a one line team, shut down the sedins and you will be alright.

You're in for a huge shock if you seriously think they're a one lined team.

The shutdown line will be paired with Pronger and O'Donnell to stop the Sedins.

You're in for a huge shock if you seriously think they're a one lined team.

They got shut down for the five out of the seven games which included three shutouts. The only reason there was any offense last night was because of all the damn PPs. I wouldn't agree with the statement that Vancouver is a one-line team but it is that line that gets most of the offense. Forwards like Smolinski, Bulis, Pyatt and Linden don't impress me as much as Parrish, Koivu, Rolston and Bouchard did and we handled them.

Key for Vancouver is to match us physically and make us take lots of penalties. They'll have to wear out this team to beat them.

They got shut down for the five out of the seven games which included three shutouts. The only reason there was any offense last night was because of all the damn PPs. I wouldn't agree with the statement that Vancouver is a one-line team but it is that line that gets most of the offense. Forwards like Smolinski, Bulis, Pyatt and Linden don't impress me as much as Parrish, Koivu, Rolston and Bouchard did and we handled them.

Key for Vancouver is to match us physically and make us take lots of penalties. They'll have to wear out this team to beat them.

Vancouver is as much of a 1 lined team as the ducks is. Seriously, take a look at the season and you will see how much contribtuion the 'nucks got from everyone on the team. There is no doubts that the ducsk have offensive weapons... but if the key is shutting down the twins for the ducks... then the nucks need to shut down selanne. Will it be enought ot sut down the Sedins? Maybe.

You have 2 world class defencemen and a couple of very capable other defencemen. Truth is that the canucks have a very good top 4 and the 5 and 6 dmen are not too shabby either. Many analysts have been debating all year... is it better to have 2 world class dmen (such as the ducks) or a very solid and deep top 6 (like the nucks). While not 1 of the canucks dmen can match up individually with your top 2... i would argue that the top 6 match up very well... Can they shut down your guns as much as you can shut down ours? Maybe.

You are foolish if you think that the canucks can't score based on the 3 shut outs. Turco played out of his mind this series and game 5 especially the 'nucks were very unlucky not to put a few past him. We know our goaltender is capable of playing the top of his game every night.... Can your goalie tandem do the same? Maybe.

You are VERY FOOLISH to assume that the PP was the reason the 'nucks won last night. They had gone 0-25 on the PP previous to last night. They did get 2, however, the way they dominated from the 2nd period on caused the stars to take the penalties. There were some bad calls BOTH ways... but from the overall game standpoint the STars had nothing from the 2nd period on... which is a surprise seeing as how they played amazing all series. Will the 'nucks suffer offensively against the ducks... if they don't get any PP time? Maybe.

My point here is that in this match up there are wayyyy to many MAYBE's. Nobody can say for certain what can happen. I don't mind people not seeing the 'nucks as a threat... afterall that's how they have been viewed all year. I just don't see any logic to any of these posts. The canucks are a good TEAM. Have a good system and some very good players that can make you pay for your mistakes. When you get past our defence you have Luongo to deal with... which has proven to be a problem.... again, anything can happen in the playoffs. Good luck to the ducks. I just hope for some really entertaining hockey and some knowledgeable hockey discussion throughout the series. In the end only 1 team can move forward... may the better team win.

I think Pronger/Odonnell will for sure be against the Sedins they have some size and could be physically intimidated plus they have Pyatt on that line and he's like Penner. Neids and Beauch will be on against Morrison and Naslund because they are better skaters.

and you can match anyone you want with the twins, they will still do their thing

Is doing their thing being scoreless for 5 straight games against the Stars? I think the Sedin's are a very good duo, but it's not like they can't be stopped. The best thing about having two pairings like Pronger/O'Donnell and Nieds/Beauchemin is that you can feel comfortable with either one being on the ice against a team's top line. I would be very surprised to see Pronger and Nieds paired together in 5 on 5 situations unless it's the last minute of a game. Other than that, I doubt the Ducks will change their pairings up at this point.

I don´t see any point in changing a winning team really... If we´re desperate needing that kind of adjustments later, I´m willing to put them together, but not at this point.

:huh: That's just asking to be creamed by the other lines.

Clearly you haven't seen the rest of the Canucks forwards.

...I just made myself sad.

I think it be smarter to spread the wealth....

on a side note, I think the ducks fans on the board should taking vancouver for granted. They do have nice defensive crew that we'll have to get through and a goalie that can make a difference (aka Giguere 2003 vs. detriot).

I think the Vancouver fans should stop being so defensive. I think duck fans are just theorizing how they should handle the team with limited informatoin.

i think... maybe.. just maybe...
we should pair off Scotty Nieds with... now don't jump on me here.. this is just a suggestion.. i think it might work out for the best.. so here goes..
Francois Beauchemin

what do you guys think?? :dunno:

Why don't we just go with what's worked well all year? Especially considering it's worked against Vancouver?

Vancouver is as much of a 1 lined team as the ducks is. Seriously, take a look at the season and you will see how much contribtuion the 'nucks got from everyone on the team. There is no doubts that the ducsk have offensive weapons... but if the key is shutting down the twins for the ducks... then the nucks need to shut down selanne. Will it be enought ot sut down the Sedins? Maybe.
Ducks top 6 scoring forwards combined for 379 points
Canucks top 6 scoring forwards combined for 343 points

Ducks top 6 defensemen combined for 184 points
Canucks top 6 defensemen combined for 144 points

that's a 76 point difference. Anaheims second line is better than Vancouvers, unless Markus Naslund returns back to the player he was 3 years ago.


You have 2 world class defencemen and a couple of very capable other defencemen. Truth is that the canucks have a very good top 4 and the 5 and 6 dmen are not too shabby either. Many analysts have been debating all year... is it better to have 2 world class dmen (such as the ducks) or a very solid and deep top 6 (like the nucks). While not 1 of the canucks dmen can match up individually with your top 2... i would argue that the top 6 match up very well... Can they shut down your guns as much as you can shut down ours? Maybe.
Ducks defense is better, Anaheims top 2 pairings are just flatout better than Vancouvers, the only edge is the 3rd pairing and ours will only play a little bit.

You are foolish if you think that the canucks can't score based on the 3 shut outs. Turco played out of his mind this series and game 5 especially the 'nucks were very unlucky not to put a few past him. We know our goaltender is capable of playing the top of his game every night.... Can your goalie tandem do the same? Maybe.
I watched the games, Turco was good but the Dallas system suffocated the Canucks, in case you forgot one of the two other guys with 3 shutouts in a playoff series is on our team.

Maybe we don't have to shut you down. Maybe we could just outscore you?

Opening up the ice is probably the last thing you want to do against a sytems team like Vancouver. I'm almost 99% positive this series is going to come down to discipline, defense, and adjustments.

You are VERY FOOLISH to assume that the PP was the reason the 'nucks won last night. They had gone 0-25 on the PP previous to last night. They did get 2, however, the way they dominated from the 2nd period on caused the stars to take the penalties. There were some bad calls BOTH ways... but from the overall game standpoint the STars had nothing from the 2nd period on... which is a surprise seeing as how they played amazing all series. Will the 'nucks suffer offensively against the ducks... if they don't get any PP time? Maybe.

Vancouver was flat until Dallas started taking penalties, totally flat. They maintained their momentum because Dallas kept taking penalties. Anybody can wear down a team if they spend the entire second period in the box. Had Dallas played a smart game, or had Modano been a few inches lower, I think they would have won the game. But regardless, the one flaw the Ducks have is when they take penalties. It gives the other team momentum and they tend to snowball with it. Games where the Ducks take four or less penalties and get to roll all four lines and all three D-pairings, their nearly unstoppable.

Carlyle is not stupid to pair them together just for the twins. If he is, then canucks in 4....

Nieds/ beauchemain can handle well these two. Against minnesota our defence worked well. Why to change this ? I think Carlyle will do the mixing when it is necessary but right now it isnt`t

There is no way the Sedins will be able to handle the ducks checking line. Nied-Pahhlson-Moen drove Gaborik and co. absolutely nuts....just imagine what they will do to the sedins. And if you ask me, shutting down Gaborik and Demitra is a lot bigger task than shutting down the sedins. And the ducks did it with ease.

And im not big on loading up your big guns on one line, but this is one matchup where I would seriously consider pairing Nieder with Pronger against the sedins and make it that much harder. ODonnell and Beusch for the 2nd pairing is good enough for the Nazzy line.

Vancouver is a one line team, shut down the sedins and you will be alright.

Sedins Combined had 2 goals in 7 games last series, and Canucks Won against a goalie posting less than a 1.50 GAA and more than a 950 Save %. The Stars 'shut down' the sedins and lost and they have a much better goalie than the Ducks.

There is no way the Sedins will be able to handle the ducks checking line. Nied-Pahhlson-Moen drove Gaborik and co. absolutely nuts....just imagine what they will do to the sedins. And if you ask me, shutting down Gaborik and Demitra is a lot bigger task than shutting down the sedins. And the ducks did it with ease.

And im not big on loading up your big guns on one line, but this is one matchup where I would seriously consider pairing Nieder with Pronger against the sedins and make it that much harder. ODonnell and Beusch for the 2nd pairing is good enough for the Nazzy line.

Vancouver is a one line team, shut down the sedins and you will be alright.

sedins and Gab/Dem play COMPLETELY different games. Down low board play comapred to rush attack. .Cant compare.

sedins and Gab/Dem play COMPLETELY different games. Down low board play comapred to rush attack. .Cant compare.

Perhaps, but it's my opinion that the Sedin's down low approach favors Anaheim more than the Gaborik/Demitra approach. Simply put - Anaheim controls the boards. Whether it's Pronger's size and reach, or it's Niedermayer's skating ability, Anaheim can handle players along the boards better than probably any team in the NHL. When they aren't there handling the Sedins, enter Pahlsson, one of the best defensive forwards in the game today, and an absolute beast along the boards.

sedins and Gab/Dem play COMPLETELY different games. Down low board play comapred to rush attack. .Cant compare.
Down low board play is what Pahlsson, Moen and Niedermayer excel at. Not only can they do a good job at helping the defensemen in our zone, but they also "defend" by controlling board play in the offensive zone, so the line they're up against can't mount an offense.

The Wild fans talked about how dumping the puck in didn't work, that's partly because of the shutdown line and how they helped win boardplay. If anything the team seems built to handle cycling better than a transition attack.

Vancouver was flat until Dallas started taking penalties, totally flat. They maintained their momentum because Dallas kept taking penalties. Anybody can wear down a team if they spend the entire second period in the box. Had Dallas played a smart game, or had Modano been a few inches lower, I think they would have won the game. But regardless, the one flaw the Ducks have is when they take penalties. It gives the other team momentum and they tend to snowball with it. Games where the Ducks take four or less penalties and get to roll all four lines and all three D-pairings, their nearly unstoppable.


Chicken or the egg? Did the penalities cause the 'nucks to wake up or did the 'nucks waking up cause the Dallas to take penalties? I don't think its as cut and dry as you say... especially when you consider that Dallas also had some PP oppertunities.

The rest of your statements are 'IF this' and 'IF that'... those arguments don't work in hockey... if the 'nucks didn't hit the post in game 7 in '94... they may have won the cup... if the Sedin scored when alone in game 5 before overtime we would have put them away much sooner.... the reality is nobody knows what would have happened if that shot was just a little lower... to me it looks like Luongos glove was right there and probably would have least deflected it... but who can say for sure?

No doubt the ducks are a good team... but i can make the same statement about the 'nucks... if Luongo keeps it up and all 3 pairings play like they can and the sedins can create plays like they have all season and the nazzy line can get some room.... we can beat anyone... in fact, you can refer to the after christmas record to confirm just what they can do :P

Again, good luck...

Ducks top 6 scoring forwards combined for 379 points
Canucks top 6 scoring forwards combined for 343 points

Ducks top 6 defensemen combined for 184 points
Canucks top 6 defensemen combined for 144 points

that's a 76 point difference. Anaheims second line is better than Vancouvers, unless Markus Naslund returns back to the player he was 3 years ago.



Ducks defense is better, Anaheims top 2 pairings are just flatout better than Vancouvers, the only edge is the 3rd pairing and ours will only play a little bit.


I watched the games, Turco was good but the Dallas system suffocated the Canucks, in case you forgot one of the two other guys with 3 shutouts in a playoff series is on our team.


If your only criteria for who is better is goals/assists then i can't argue. However, when you consider the styles the 2 teams play i am not so sure that is a fair assesment... Ducks open it up alot more than the nucks.... when the canucks had bertuzzi for a few years we too scored alot of goals... only to be beat by teams like minnesota who played very defensive hockey and who didn't have a player who scored in the top 40 in the NHL. I don't think its as cut and dry as posting goals and assists, es[ecially when you consider the points that really matter (the ones in the standings -- which were much closer than the ones you posted).

The ducks system did suffocate the canucks... but Anaheim plays a much different system... also, Turco took away many of the dump ins because he was so good with his stick. Is Giggy that good with his?

We will probably never agree... but i will put Mitchell, Ohlund, Salo and Bieksa at a slight disadvantage to the Ducks top 4 (ONLY because of the Nieds and Pronger). While their partners are good... you will never convince me they are any better than whoever you consider top the the 'nucks 3rd or 4th guy.

Again, you can't compare the Ducks with Dallas and one series to another. These are pros we are talking about that have scouts dissecting the other teams tendencies (through video etc) and can adapt to play from one team to another. ANYTHING can happen... yes Giggy may be able to shut the 'nucks out.... but they were shut out THREE times last series and still managed to win it. Plus maybe you forget about the 'nucks goalie... because as much as the top 2 dmen are superior to the nucks top 2... the same can be said about the canucks goaltending vs the ducks goaltending.

Your top 2 lines are impressive (when they are on their game). Let's not forget that at some points in this season every member of the 2nd line was a healthy scratch. Its all about who wants this more... and where you might not give the canucks a chance (btw not many people seem to be giving them a chance either so you are not alone).... i think that in the playoffs anyone can win.... and with a goalie Like Luongo a strong D and 4 solid lines... i don't think the 'nucks will just roll over.

Time will tell... good luck to the ducks.

Sedins Combined had 2 goals in 7 games last series, and Canucks Won against a goalie posting less than a 1.50 GAA and more than a 950 Save %. The Stars 'shut down' the sedins and lost and they have a much better goalie than the Ducks.

Ok well in the season series vs. the Ducks they combined for one and the Ducks won three of those games. Turco is great but it's not like he is light years ahead of Giguere, whom has a great track record in the playoffs.