Giguere VS Luongo

So Turco lost the goalie matchup to Luongo but how do you think Giguere will match up against Luongo?

JS doesn't stand a chance against Luongo... your defence and offence however is deadly hah.

JS doesn't stand a chance against Luongo... your defence and offence however is deadly hah.

That you are wrong, Anaheim has Luongo's number based on the games we played against Vancouver this season. Now on the other hand if you play Sabourin we might have to work something else out.

I expect this series to be more offense oriented. Luongo will be tested and the Ducks are a sure enough challenge.

I have a feeling Giguere will struggle but then again their playing a Nucks team that have trouble scoring goals.

Being a big canuck fan, ive had a good year to loook at Luongo..

Incase there are duck fans out there that dont know about how he plays..i'll give u guys a few notes on him..

Luongo is like a lighting quick octopus, his long arms and legs really stand out. He does everything well but his glovehand and focus/concentration is unreal. Also, he has total command of the butterfly, knowing exaclty when to go down into it, and knowing when to stand up, flop or get outa the butterfly. Another note worth noting, he is extreamly athletic....even today during the game the dallas commentator said that he has "athletic arrogance"

Weakness..hmm tough one...he is known to give away alot of rebounds..or at least that was the word on him when he came into vcr..but i havnt seen poor rebound control..hmmm but i wouldnt say its a strength

I know giguere is a very good positional goalie..a solid no1 on 90 percent of the teams out there.....i dont know much about his style. I know he is very good but i dotn think he is as good as luongo...

Anyone have notes on giguere?

Average glove hand.
A little slow going side to side.
On one on one situations he has a somewhat agressive approach.
Lately he has been controlling his rebounds really well.
Good at reading plays and responds well when he plays under pressure.
He is not that great with traffic in front of him.

I think that when the opposing team has the puck behind the net he has a hard time. IMO

Average glove hand.
A little slow going side to side.
On one on one situations he has a somewhat agressive approach.
Lately he has been controlling his rebounds really well.
Good at reading plays and responds well when he plays under pressure.
He is not that great with traffic in front of him.

It sounds like you are talking about Lalime or Cloutier.

Luongo is the best goaltender in the NHL. His worst performances have come against Anaheim and it will be interesting to see if this trend continues.

The Ducks forwards drive to the net more than Dallas and this will result into many more goals. Heck, the only way Vancouver will win this is if every single player plays up to their potential. And this might not even be enough.

That you are wrong, Anaheim has Luongo's number based on the games we played against Vancouver this season. Now on the other hand if you play Sabourin we might have to work something else out.

That makes no sense. Speedracer SAID Anaheim's defense and offence is deadly. Perhaps that explains why "Anaheim has Luongo's number?" Your response has nothing to do with Speedracer's point about Luongo being a better goalie than Giguere

Average glove hand.
A little slow going side to side.
On one on one situations he has a somewhat agressive approach.
Lately he has been controlling his rebounds really well.
Good at reading plays and responds well when he plays under pressure.
He is not that great with traffic in front of him

I disagree. Luongo is considered to have an elite glove hand. While judging from his saves this season, his glove hand might be overrated (considering it is considered one of the best glove hands and Luongo's strong technical play playing a big part in his saves), I still think he's pretty good at snagging pucks out of the air when he's down. Definitely above average. As for traffic in front of him, I think he's definitely a goalie who prefers his defenders to let him see the puck instead of trying to block shots and screen him in the process.

It sounds like you are talking about Lalime or Cloutier.

Luongo is the best goaltender in the NHL. His worst performances have come against Anaheim and it will be interesting to see if this trend continues.

I disagree. Luongo is considered to have an elite glove hand. While judging from his saves this season, his glove hand might be overrated, I still think he's pretty good at snagging pucks out of the air when he's down. Definitely above average. As for traffic in front of him, I think he's definitely a goalie who prefers his defenders to let him see the puck instead of trying to block shots and screen him in the process.

I think he was replying to the question, "Anyone have notes on Giguere?"

Average glove hand.
A little slow going side to side.
On one on one situations he has a somewhat agressive approach.
Lately he has been controlling his rebounds really well.
Good at reading plays and responds well when he plays under pressure.
He is not that great with traffic in front of him.

yaya i remember hearing and seeing that. Giguere can really suck up those rebounds.......i think that fact, coupled with his large frame...has been two of the biggest reasons he's as good as he is.

If its worth anything..my buddy is a huge duck fan and he says Giguere doesnt handle the puck very well when he's out of his net......a big change from what the nux are used to (turco)

I think that when the opposing team has the puck behind the net he has a hard time. IMO

Sounds like the Sedins were made to beat him then.

JS doesn't stand a chance against Luongo... your defence and offence however is deadly hah.

You do realize that JS and Bryz (the back up) have longevity records DURING the playoffs, and JS won the Conn Smythe before because he single-handedly wiped out the Wings in the first round a few years ago. They're proven product in the playoffs and cannot see why they don't match up well vs Luongo.

Not fair to compare Jiggy to Luongo.
Its like comparing Rothlesberger to Manning (either Manning realy)
He is just not paid to be the key guy. He is paid to play the %, and provide stability.

Goal is not a weaknes for Ducks but if you take it down to:
Luongo vs Jiggy
well I personally think its a miss match.

You do realize that JS and Bryz (the back up) have longevity records DURING the playoffs, and JS won the Conn Smythe before because he single-handedly wiped out the Wings in the first round a few years ago. They're proven product in the playoffs and cannot see why they don't match up well vs Luongo.

luongo was just on the winning side of a goalie duel in which his opponent had 3 shut outs.

the canucks also have been one of the best teams in the league since christmas (only 8 regulation losses i believe) you have 2 elite rear guards, but vancouvers top 4 are definitely capable of shutting down your teams top guns aswell. this team doesnt shy away from physicality even our "soft" swedish captain is throwing hits.

all in all it should be a great series.

Hmm, Dallas find out how to solve him and im am sure so du the ducks. You canucks fans worry about your scoring. game 7 goals were PP goals and check out the statistic what Ducks PK did to Minnys PP.

Turco > Giguere

Luongo > Giguere

Don't even mention Giguere in the same sentence. As Turco and Luongo, it's the new english rule, it's considered incorrect in many many ways. I have the upmost respect for Turco after the Dallas-Vancouver Series... I don't think the Canucks can face a better goalie than Turco for the rest of the playoffs. No offense to Giguere, but he is not a "Top 5" goalie in the leage (Luongo, Turco, Brodeur, Kiprusoff, Nabakov, Toskala, Miller, Dipietro in no particular order are ahead of Giguere in the league, overall ranking) Bryzgalov is just as good as Giguere, and for one reason, those two 6 million D-man you guys have...

So Turco lost the goalie matchup to Luongo but how do you think Giguere will match up against Luongo?

Turco never lost any goalie matchup, he might have lost the series but he did not lose the "goalie matchup", as far as it goes, i call it a tie, both goalies played very well, and both goalie gave their team a chance to win every game!

Turco never lost any goalie matchup, he might have lost the series but he did not lose the "goalie matchup", as far as it goes, i call it a tie, both goalies played very well, and both goalie gave their team a chance to win every game!

Yea, actually Turco ended up with better numbers in all catagories except the most important one. W's

That makes no sense. Speedracer SAID Anaheim's defense and offence is deadly. Perhaps that explains why "Anaheim has Luongo's number?" Your response has nothing to do with Speedracer's point about Luongo being a better goalie than Giguere

Anaheim destroyed Luongo when they played him during the regular season.

I disagree. Luongo is considered to have an elite glove hand. While judging from his saves this season, his glove hand might be overrated (considering it is considered one of the best glove hands and Luongo's strong technical play playing a big part in his saves), I still think he's pretty good at snagging pucks out of the air when he's down. Definitely above average. As for traffic in front of him, I think he's definitely a goalie who prefers his defenders to let him see the puck instead of trying to block shots and screen him in the process.

I was talking about Giguere.

His only weakness is when he comes out of the net. Either then that, Ducks better shot high -- Low shows will likely be saved.

The only thing I'm concerned with is if RL will Get tired of handling too many shots.

Anaheim destroyed Luongo when they played him during the regular season.



I was talking about Giguere.

Weren't the time of the wins before Luongo picked up his play - before Christmas. At least I remember a couple of them being before Christmas.

Weren't the time of the wins before Luongo picked up his play - before Christmas. At least I remember a couple of them being before Christmas.

The Ducks 4-2 win at the Ponda came late in the season.

Weren't the time of the wins before Luongo picked up his play - before Christmas. At least I remember a couple of them being before Christmas.

The only time we lost to the Nucks was in regular season during OT when Sabourin was in net. The other two times Luongo didn't fare well with the Ducks. But then again, hockey playoffs is a completely different season.

Don't worry, Anaheim fans. Luongo is not nearly as good as you think he is. Slow glove hand, bad rebound control, loses concentration periodically, out of position regularly, you guys really shouldn't have a problem with him. Just take lots of unscreened perimeter shots, that should do the trick.

The only time we lost to the Nucks was in regular season during OT when Sabourin was in net. The other two times Luongo didn't fare well with the Ducks.

True that. Here are the regular season H2H numbers, Ducks vs. Canucks.

Roberto Luongo: 0-3-0, 3.78 GAA, .857 sv%
Danny Sabourin: 1-0-0, 3.13 GAA, .914 sv%

J.S. Giguere: 3-0-1, 1.50 GAA, .941 sv%

But then again, hockey playoffs is a completely different season.

But you are even more right here. I'm not putting a lot of stock in the regular-season numbers, just telling you all what they were.

Turco > Giguere

Not in the playoffs. Both Turco and Giguere now have 3 shutout series. One of them won that series. One of them actually wins series in the playoffs. One of them won a Conn Smythe.

By the way...

Career Playoffs
Giguere: 29 GP, 19 Wins, 1.91 GAA, .934 SV%, 5 SO
Turco: 29 GP, 11 Wins, 2.21 GAA, .909 SV%, 3 SO

By the way...

Career Playoffs
Giguere: 29 GP, 19 Wins, 1.91 GAA, .934 SV%, 5 SO
Turco: 29 GP, 11 Wins, 2.21 GAA, .909 SV%, 3 SO

ahhh that doesntmean so much....the stars arnt as good as the ducks....
After round one..i think alot of ppl would take turco over giguere..cept maybe duck fans.

ahhh that doesntmean so much....the stars arnt as good as the ducks....
After round one..i think alot of ppl would take turco over giguere..cept maybe duck fans.

Those stats are over a career. Anyone who picks Turco over Giguere in the playoffs based on their history is a moron. 1 series doesn't make Turco the better playoff goalie, escpecially considering he lost it.

Not in the playoffs. Both Turco and Giguere now have 3 shutout series. One of them won that series. One of them actually wins series in the playoffs. One of them won a Conn Smythe.

Man that was 2003, its 2007, If Turco had Another 6 million D man in front of him, then i think we can compare stats... Right now Turco > Giguere in every way, Turco gave his team a chance to win every night, and infact i personally feel that Dallas deserved to win that series more than Vancouver, both goalies were excellent, and the reason both squads were having trouble scorin, or all games ending in 1 goal games was because of the great goaltending, Anaheim-Vanucks series will not be the same....

I also love how every ducks fan and the media thinks the ducks have already secured a spot in the conference finals... I love it when the nux are the underdogs, just how we entered into the season as a non-playoff team, that is re-building, which by the way ended up winning the division, and is the only NW team left in the playoffs, still no respect for the nux, I am going to enjoy this series...

I personally feel that Dallas is a tougher match-up for the nux than Anaheim, each game was a coin flip and could have gone either way.

Canucks in 6.

Man that was 2003, its 2007, If Turco had Another 6 million D man in front of him, then i think we can compare stats... Right now Turco > Giguere in every way, Turco gave his team a chance to win every night, and infact i personally feel that Dallas deserved to win that series more than Vancouver, both goalies were excellent, and the reason both squads were having trouble scorin, or all games ending in 1 goal games was because of the great goaltending, Anaheim-Vanucks series will not be the same....

I have a feeling that Giguere could win a Cup and/or another Conn Smythe and people will still say they'd rather have Turco. Giguere does nothing but perform when it counts. He's not flashy and doesn't make highlight reel saves, so apparently that means he's not that good.

Man that was 2003, its 2007, If Turco had Another 6 million D man in front of him, then i think we can compare stats...

Not to get too nitpicky, but most of JSG's career playoff numbers come from that 2003 run--Because of injury and personal issues, Bryzgalov has carried the bulk of the Ducks' playoff games since then. And when JSG put up those numbers, he did it with zero $6M defensemen.

I also love how every ducks fan and the media thinks the ducks have already secured a spot in the conference finals... I love it when the nux are the underdogs, just how we entered into the season as a non-playoff team, that is re-building, which by the way ended up winning the division, and is the only NW team left in the playoffs, still no respect for the nux, I am going to enjoy this series...

Actually, this is sort of the scenario we faced in 2003--consistently underdogs against on-paper better teams. A lot of similarities: a monster goaltender, role players stepping up, a mediocre power play, a lot of wins coming late in games. Sure a lot of media has written this series off, but I'm not sure that Anaheim fans who remember 2003 are that smug.

I personally feel that Dallas is a tougher match-up for the nux than Anaheim, each game was a coin flip and could have gone either way.

That's probably Vancouver's postseason reality right now. Keep games close and win them late (if at all). But really, who's writing who off now?

I'd say "good luck", but that would be facetious of me.

Sure a lot of media has written this series off, but I'm not sure that Anaheim fans who remember 2003 are that smug.


Some of us just choose not to admit that possibility out loud. It's more fun being a cocky SOB. Especially when's it's obvious we are going to destroy the Canucks.

Not to get too nitpicky, but most of JSG's career playoff numbers come from that 2003 run--Because of injury and personal issues, Bryzgalov has carried the bulk of the Ducks' playoff games since then. And when JSG put up those numbers, he did it with zero $6M defensemen.



Actually, this is sort of the scenario we faced in 2003--consistently underdogs against on-paper better teams. A lot of similarities: a monster goaltender, role players stepping up, a mediocre power play, a lot of wins coming late in games. Sure a lot of media has written this series off, but I'm not sure that Anaheim fans who remember 2003 are that smug.



That's probably Vancouver's postseason reality right now. Keep games close and win them late (if at all). But really, who's writing who off now?

I'd say "good luck", but that would be facetious of me.


once again anaheim is no dallas, there is a reason those game were so close, it was on all the goalies..... im just gonna let this series talk for itself...

Is this not a red light when your team is in palyoffs and leading the serias and then just stop scoring.

Luongo is better than Giggy and Bryzgalov.

This should not be up for debate.

Turco > Giguere

Luongo > Giguere

Don't even mention Giguere in the same sentence. As Turco and Luongo, it's the new english rule, it's considered incorrect in many many ways. I have the upmost respect for Turco after the Dallas-Vancouver Series... I don't think the Canucks can face a better goalie than Turco for the rest of the playoffs. No offense to Giguere, but he is not a "Top 5" goalie in the leage (Luongo, Turco, Brodeur, Kiprusoff, Nabakov, Toskala, Miller, Dipietro in no particular order are ahead of Giguere in the league, overall ranking) Bryzgalov is just as good as Giguere, and for one reason, those two 6 million D-man you guys have...

The Conn Smythe allows Giguere to be mentioned in the same sentence as Luongo.

Luongo is the better goaltender, and unquestionably so, but it's not as if Luongo is so beyond Giguere's level, despite what you might have fooled yourself to believe.

As for Bryzgalov being as good as Giguere, that's completely false. Bryzgalov is good, but the only reason most people would take Bryz over Jiggy is because of money, not skill. Giguere is clearly the better goaltender of the two.

once again anaheim is no dallas, there is a reason those game were so close, it was on all the goalies..... im just gonna let this series talk for itself...

No, Anaheim is no Dallas. Anaheim is an all-around better team.

Turco > Giguere

Luongo > Giguere

Don't even mention Giguere in the same sentence. As Turco and Luongo, it's the new english rule, it's considered incorrect in many many ways. I have the upmost respect for Turco after the Dallas-Vancouver Series... I don't think the Canucks can face a better goalie than Turco for the rest of the playoffs. No offense to Giguere, but he is not a "Top 5" goalie in the leage (Luongo, Turco, Brodeur, Kiprusoff, Nabakov, Toskala, Miller, Dipietro in no particular order are ahead of Giguere in the league, overall ranking) Bryzgalov is just as good as Giguere, and for one reason, those two 6 million D-man you guys have...
Gotta love Canuck homers. You are completely biased against Giguere he can easily make a claim as a top 5 goaltender.

Giguere is getting no respect and yet all he does is win year after year and puts up good numbers to go along with it. Last year we did not have Pronger and Giguere was one of our top 3 players, ESPECIALLY after the olympic break in which we faced the toughest schedule in the west. Bryzgalov was good for us at not losing games, JS can steal games it's like you guys have never watched him play even though he shut down the Canucks all year.

Gotta love Canuck homers. You are completely biased against Giguere he can easily make a claim as a top 5 goaltender.

Giguere is getting no respect and yet all he does is win year after year and puts up good numbers to go along with it.

The argument is always that Giguere only looks this good because of his team. No one pays attention to the fact that his stats have been stellar since being a starter for the team, or that the team in front of him has not always been this good (or even close to this good in some cases).

once again anaheim is no dallas, there is a reason those game were so close, it was on all the goalies..... im just gonna let this series talk for itself...
The games were close because that series had two teams who'd rather sit back than play offense.

Gigueres record vs top teams this year with 'better' goalies

1-0 vs NJD
3-0 vs Van
2-1 vs Nsh
4-1 vs SJ which according to you has two supperior goalies
3-1-2 vs Dal
1-1 vs Calgary

He was 2-0-1 vs Min, 1-1 vs Detroit

that's 17-5-3 vs the playoff teams who according to you have supperior goaltending.

Aw, let the Canuckleheads have their fun. Probably every goalie looks like a hall of famer after a few years of Dan Cloutier.

Holy smokes! Another save! Vezina-worthy for sure!

infact i personally feel that Dallas deserved to win that series more than Vancouver, both goalies were excellent

I prefer to think of it as, "Vancouver deserved to lose that series as much as Dallas. Both offenses stank."

I'll give the Canucks credit for Game Seven, at least the second period on when their balls dropped and they decided to stop playing chicken[feces] hockey.

But other than that, good luck and may the best team win! :thumbu:

luongo kills giggy, and giggy is very overrated IMO. i prefer bryz.

that said, VAN does not have the team to win. luongo might be awsome but he will have to steal the show for VAN to win. not impossible but close to it.

don't get me wrong, i think giggy is very good. just overrated, but good enough to beat VAN with the team he has in front of him and VAN's issues with being able to score.

Yes Luongo is better than Giguere. There's not much argument about that. However, he's not that much better.

And Turco is probably on the same level as Giguere, it could probably be debated that either is better. Dallas has historically a much better defensive team, hence the better numbers. In the past Giguere held playoff performance over Turco, although again that might be a team thing.

As for Bryzgalov vs Giguere, if Bryzgalov played at his best all the time he would be better than Giguere. Hell, if Bryzgalov played his best all the time he might be as good as Luongo. But he doesn't.

And as to who's better in general, let's just say that the team plays hugely different with the two netminders in goal. With Giguere, they play a much better offensive game, and are not afraid to take chances because they trust the goalie. With Bryzgalov, they often play a much more conservative game. Now this was more true during the year than the recent stretch, but that right there should tell you who the team thinks is better.

Anyone that claims Giguere's numbers are so good because of Pronger/Nieds, doesn't remember 2001-2002. He carried the team that year. 2.12GAA and .922%. If it wasn't for Giguere, I doubt that team breaks 20 wins.

A team that included "Trash Can" Trnka and Niclas "what is defense" Havelid as members of the defense.

Turco > Giguere

Luongo > Giguere

Don't even mention Giguere in the same sentence. As Turco and Luongo, it's the new english rule, it's considered incorrect in many many ways. I have the upmost respect for Turco after the Dallas-Vancouver Series... I don't think the Canucks can face a better goalie than Turco for the rest of the playoffs. No offense to Giguere, but he is not a "Top 5" goalie in the leage (Luongo, Turco, Brodeur, Kiprusoff, Nabakov, Toskala, Miller, Dipietro in no particular order are ahead of Giguere in the league, overall ranking) Bryzgalov is just as good as Giguere, and for one reason, those two 6 million D-man you guys have...

I disagree. I would only put Luongo and Brodeur above Giggy. I firmly believe he is on par with and is capable of outperforming the rest you've listed. When Giggy's on, it can be lights out, as witnessed when the Ducks made that incredible playoff run years back.

Turco is currently the flavour of the week... he had an awesome first round for Dallas - any team would love to have that kind of performance over a 7 game series from a goalie.

If he plays like that all the time, he'd be one of the top goalies in the league, without question.

But he's had way more collapses than he's had great series, so I'm not ready to pencil him yet as a great goalie. He's been too inconsistent in the past to write all that off based on a couple weeks of spectacular play - and he was amazing... 3 shutouts, and his play with the puck was phenomenal (easily the best I've seen from a goalie, ever).

I'd like to see him follow that up with a great year, and stay consistent through another playoff year before calling him great... just too many disappointing moments in the past to have it erased by one playoff series.

Giguere has been much more consistent through his career... he's an excellent goalie. I consider him better than Turco simply because of his consistency over the years. However, I don't expect to see him better Turco's round 1 performance... considering how effective he was with the puck, and how much he was able to help the Stars transition game, and take away from the canucks forecheck, I doubt we see another performance like that from any goalie for the rest of these playoffs.

Goal tending is the only spot that the Canucks have the advantage. Hopefully that amounts to a lot....

Turco is currently the flavour of the week... he had an awesome first round for Dallas - any team would love to have that kind of performance over a 7 game series from a goalie.

If he plays like that all the time, he'd be one of the top goalies in the league, without question.

But he's had way more collapses than he's had great series, so I'm not ready to pencil him yet as a great goalie. He's been too inconsistent in the past to write all that off based on a couple weeks of spectacular play - and he was amazing... 3 shutouts, and his play with the puck was phenomenal (easily the best I've seen from a goalie, ever).

I'd like to see him follow that up with a great year, and stay consistent through another playoff year before calling him great... just too many disappointing moments in the past to have it erased by one playoff series.

Giguere has been much more consistent through his career... he's an excellent goalie. I consider him better than Turco simply because of his consistency over the years. However, I don't expect to see him better Turco's round 1 performance... considering how effective he was with the puck, and how much he was able to help the Stars transition game, and take away from the canucks forecheck, I doubt we see another performance like that from any goalie for the rest of these playoffs.
I wouldn't expect Giguere to equal Turco in terms of stats either, but the stars defensive scheme helped him out a bit.

Giguere VS Luongo..... hmmm luongo gets paid 2.75 million more, i sure hope he's better. however he hasnt really steped up and done anything too amazing this playoffs, id say he playing average hockey, J.S. is putting up great numbers so far.

Giguere VS Luongo..... hmmm luongo gets paid 2.75 million more, i sure hope he's better. however he hasnt really steped up and done anything too amazing this playoffs, id say he playing average hockey, J.S. is putting up great numbers so far.

Couple things,

1. Hes only played 3 games
2. Pronger
3. S. Neidameyer

I prefer to think of it as, "Vancouver deserved to lose that series as much as Dallas. Both offenses stank."

I'll give the Canucks credit for Game Seven, at least the second period on when their balls dropped and they decided to stop playing chicken[feces] hockey.

But other than that, good luck and may the best team win! :thumbu:


No they didn't, Both Goalies were AMAZING

I'd take Luongo during the regular season, but Giguere for the playoffs simply based off of his 2003 performance. That type of thing is rare. And I think he's very capable of doing it again.

I'd take Luongo during the regular season, but Giguere for the playoffs simply based off of his 2003 performance. That type of thing is rare. And I think he's very capable of doing it again.


but that was only because he used big pads..nothin else..








;)

Couple things,

1. Hes only played 3 games
2. Pronger
3. S. Neidameyer

In all your posts, you're still ignoring the 2003 playoff run, which included neither Scott Niedermayer nor Chris Pronger.

I guess you don't mention that one because then your whole argument would be invalid.

yahoo article (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AnpKoap4WGyuUQYZc51WksJ7vLYF?slug=jo-luongo042607&prov=yhoo&type=lgns):
what Giguere says about Luongo...
"He's the best goalie in the world," Giguere said.

Better than Martin Brodeur, the New Jersey Devils superstar?

"No offense to Marty," he said

Hmm, I've actually liked Giguere better in this series. Luongo's been good, especially tonight, but Giguere has actually played really well, too. Hopefully the Ducks' offense could wake up and get a couple good chances.

Couple things,

1. Hes only played 3 games
2. Pronger
3. S. Neidameyer
I hope NHL GM's underrate Giguere as much as you do, he's stolen atleast one game in this series, if not two.

Memo to Brian Burke: RESIGN GIGUERE ASAP! This should be priority #1. It's unlikely Selanne will bolt off, so make sure that we get Jiggy's deal done first. Give him $5 million, whatever. Just get it done. The guy is a monster.

I also love how every ducks fan and the media thinks the ducks have already secured a spot in the conference finals... I love it when the nux are the underdogs, just how we entered into the season as a non-playoff team, that is re-building, which by the way ended up winning the division, and is the only NW team left in the playoffs, still no respect for the nux, I am going to enjoy this series...

I personally feel that Dallas is a tougher match-up for the nux than Anaheim, each game was a coin flip and could have gone either way.

Canucks in 6.

once again anaheim is no dallas, there is a reason those game were so close, it was on all the goalies..... im just gonna let this series talk for itself...

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I love it when Canucks fans make @sses out of themselves!!!!!!!

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Opinions of Giguere seem to be straying both ways.
He is not on Luongo's level, but in crunch time Giguere seems to buckle down and try harder. Luongo gets let down by his team.

Giguere probably isn't a top-5 goalie in the league.
Brodeur, Kipper, Luongo all have to be above him.
Lehtonen, Lundqvist, and Fleury are rising fast (and might be better given their teams' styles of play)
And I'd say Rick DiPietro is close.

Marty Turco was in danger of being released...let go...gone. He still might be moved since most people will chalk this up to a one-time wonder.

Luongo's stength is his athleticism. He is fast. His weaknesses are that he is bad in traffic, and can be exploited on defensive breakdowns.

Giguere's strength is facing up on shooters, and his ability to smother rebounds when he is on. His weaknesses are poor stickhandling, poor catching skills, overcommitting (the Naslund goal is something that happens a bit against JS), and his temper (or is that a strength since he seems to have the fire)

Luongo's stength is his athleticism. He is fast. His weaknesses are that he is bad in traffic, and can be exploited on defensive breakdowns.

Rebounds and more rebounds. He's a rebound factory. He also can't handle the puck. The Ducks have score two or three goals off his mis-handles.

I still think Giguere can easily have an argument has a top 5 goalie, he's only lost once vs Luongo and Broduer this year, no way are Lehtonen or Fluery ahead of him. I would say Lundqvist, Broduer, Kipper, and Luongo are the only guys solidly ahead, but again Giguere has outplayed Luongo head to head all season..not as big of a gap as Canuck fans tried to make it imo.

I do not think Giguere is weak glove side, there is a spot right above his shoulder where he can't get to but normally you don't see him give up bad goals glove side. When he has his quickness side to side he's pretty damn hard to beat.

What I've seen accentuated this series is how awesome Giguere's rebound control is. Luongo's been leaving fat ones all series, while Giguere has been absorbing most of them. Game 4 he was a little off, but still good. Maybe Luongo is better in general, and maybe it has something to do with our traffic preventing him from seeing the puck, but I've been a little surprised by how bad Luongo's been on rebounds.

Granted he can recover to stop ensuing shots while Giguere isn't as good at that, but the latter style is better at staying with a goaltender as he ages.

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I love it when Canucks fans make @sses out of themselves!!!!!!!



not sure what you are :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: about.
Each game -save for game 1- has been a coin flip. this series could easily be 3- 1 the other way.
The Canucks have missed more open nets this series then last. It has been our inability to finish that has been the deciding factor.not to mention the injuries( no excuse- just fact) Giggy is a great goalie. Luongo is jsut a little better.

Honestly, not sure why Im responding to this- I woud thnk, all kidding and gloating aside, most dukheads would agree...am I wrong?

The Canucks have missed more open nets this series then last. It has been our inability to finish that has been the deciding factor.

The Canucks have had goal scoring problems throughout the year, so maybe they're just being themselves. If, OTOH, the Ducks had finished in game 2 as they usually do, this series would already be over. But they didn't, and so it's not. That's all that matters, not what-ifs.

Giggy is a great goalie. Luongo is jsut a little better.

Honestly, not sure why Im responding to this- I woud thnk, all kidding and gloating aside, most dukheads would agree...am I wrong?

A little better overall, yeah probably. But the difference is, as you say, small ... and frankly probably negligible given that players don't play exactly at their overall average all the time. On any given night, either one can outplay the other, although most nights they'll probably both play well and will cancel each other out.

Unless one is having a particularly bad night, or a particularly incredible one, neither team is likely to lose a game based on the goaltending matchup.

In my opinion, luongo's gaffe on the penner goal game 3 cost his team the win. He lost that game for them... And as bad as the overtime goal was game 2 Giguere's been great.

Rebounds and more rebounds. He's a rebound factory. He also can't handle the puck. The Ducks have score two or three goals off his mis-handles.
Exactly. He's incredibly athletic and flashy, a modern day Grant Fuhr.

Best goalie in the universe he ain't. This is nothing we haven't seen before.

The Canucks have had goal scoring problems throughout the year, so maybe they're just being themselves. If, OTOH, the Ducks had finished in game 2 as they usually do, this series would already be over. But they didn't, and so it's not. That's all that matters, not what-ifs.

A little better overall, yeah probably. But the difference is, as you say, small ... and frankly probably negligible given that players don't play exactly at their overall average all the time. On any given night, either one can outplay the other, although most nights they'll probably both play well and will cancel each other out.

Unless one is having a particularly bad night, or a particularly incredible one, neither team is likely to lose a game based on the goaltending matchup.

If the ducks had finished in Game 2 it would be over but they didnt so it's not.That's what matters..not what if's.
I know , I know..The Ducks are the best team in the land...I dont even know why other teams bother to show up!

Luongo is better, according to everyone else(including JS) except for you guys. That's what matters..

In my opinion, luongo's gaffe on the penner goal game 3 cost his team the win. He lost that game for them... And as bad as the overtime goal was game 2 Giguere's been great.

I agree about the gaffe. What is funny to me, is how anyone can even compare the two goalie based on this series. Our offense- or lack there of- is documented, feel free to make fun of it, we do! But how can anyone say with a straight face Giggy has been great..against an enemic PP..or is our offence really really good and Giggy just shuts them down? Which is it?

Luongo is better, according to everyone else(including JS) except for you guys. That's what matters..

Really? Because I could have sworn that whichever team wins the game is what really matters... :dunno:

Also, I can look you in the eye with a straight face and say Giguere has been great. His rebound control has been excellent, and aside from the game two OT goal, none were a result of his poor play. Look at the first period of game three and several times through game four when Anaheim was on its collective heels and Giguere bailed them out. I'm not saying he's a better goalie than Luongo, but he's been just as valuable in this series to the Ducks (given that they've won three games thus far).

Luongo is better, according to everyone else(including JS) except for you guys. That's what matters..

Overall Luongo is most likely better of the two. In this series that's not the case, in fact Giguere has outplayed Luongo in atleast two games.

If the ducks had finished in Game 2 it would be over but they didnt so it's not.That's what matters..not what if's.
I know , I know..The Ducks are the best team in the land...I dont even know why other teams bother to show up!

Luongo is better, according to everyone else(including JS) except for you guys. That's what matters..
Show me some Ducks fans who say Giguere is better than Luongo overall? I think just about everyone says that Luongo's the better goalie.

But he's not better in all aspects of the game. For example, Giguere is better in rebound control. And in this series, Giguere has been equal or better than Luongo. Whenever Vancouver has a flurry, Giguere's stopped almost all the shots, keeping us in the game. Yes there have been a few wide open chances that Vancouver has flubbed on, but we have probably had more chances messed up (posts, deflections from defensemen saving open nets, etc).

Now it's likely you can't see this because of your broadcast. I've seen the past two games through the HNIC, and Hughson rarely points out good saves by Giguere.

And your offense and powerplay aren't world class, but they're not horrible either. Part of the scoring problems is the lack of depth of offense and the great defenseive play by both Dallas and Anaheim. Both teams have such great shutdown ability that it appears that your main threats, the Sedins, are invisible. This is BOTH the Sedins fault, and the opposing team's doing.

By the way, an enemic powerplay sounds even less enjoyable than an anemid powerplay.

"If the ducks had finished in Game 2 it would be over but they didnt so it's not.That's what matters..not what if's."
I know , I know..The Ducks are the best team in the land...I dont even know why other teams bother to show up!

Geez, talk about defensive. Apparently, caring about what actually happened instead of a "what if" is equivalent to putting down the Canucks. The point is, when fans start playing what ifs, they always focus on the what ifs that only went in their favor. As if the other team hasn't missed any opportunities themselves. I always see fans talking about "Oh, if only so-and-so hadn't hit the post in the 1st" or something like that ... and they inevitably always ignore the similar close calls on the other end. Well sure, if the Canucks always got every close break and the other team was just playing normal hockey where they hit on some chances and miss on others, then the Canucks would probably win every game other than the ones where they just had a totally crappy night. But in what dreamworld does that happen for any team?

Luongo is better, according to everyone else(including JS) except for you guys. That's what matters..

Everyone's agreeing that Luongo's better. I even said it myself. But that doesn't mean he's better every single night or in every series. People aren't robots, they don't play exactly the same level night after night. And so far this series, Giguere has a slight edge.

Man, I'm having flashbacks to the NJ series, when Devils fans would get sarcastic about how Giguere was the greatest goalie of all time whenever someone would possibly suggest that Brodeur wasn't anything but perfect.

I agree about the gaffe. What is funny to me, is how anyone can even compare the two goalie based on this series. Our offense- or lack there of- is documented, feel free to make fun of it, we do! But how can anyone say with a straight face Giggy has been great..against an enemic PP..or is our offence really really good and Giggy just shuts them down? Which is it?

Wait, first you get all upset because of some perceived slight against your team's quality ... and then you turn around and slag them for having a crappy offense instead of giving any credit to Giguere? If Vancouver's offense sucks so incredibly badly that it makes any opposing goalie look like a Luongo-level superstar, then perhaps they aren't such a good team to begin with and you shouldn't get so defensive about them. Or if they are a good team, and normally can finish their chances better than that, then also give credit where credit is due to the opposing goalie. Can't have it both ways.

Geez, talk about defensive. Apparently, caring about what actually happened instead of a "what if" is equivalent to putting down the Canucks. The point is, when fans start playing what ifs, they always focus on the what ifs that only went in their favor. As if the other team hasn't missed any opportunities themselves. I always see fans talking about "Oh, if only so-and-so hadn't hit the post in the 1st" or something like that ... and they inevitably always ignore the similar close calls on the other end. Well sure, if the Canucks always got every close break and the other team was just playing normal hockey where they hit on some chances and miss on others, then the Canucks would probably win every game other than the ones where they just had a totally crappy night. But in what dreamworld does that happen for any team?



Everyone's agreeing that Luongo's better. I even said it myself. But that doesn't mean he's better every single night or in every series. People aren't robots, they don't play exactly the same level night after night. And so far this series, Giguere has a slight edge.

Man, I'm having flashbacks to the NJ series, when Devils fans would get sarcastic about how Giguere was the greatest goalie of all time whenever someone would possibly suggest that Brodeur wasn't anything but perfect.



Wait, first you get all upset because of some perceived slight against your team's quality ... and then you turn around and slag them for having a crappy offense instead of giving any credit to Giguere? If Vancouver's offense sucks so incredibly badly that it makes any opposing goalie look like a Luongo-level superstar, then perhaps they aren't such a good team to begin with and you shouldn't get so defensive about them. Or if they are a good team, and normally can finish their chances better than that, then also give credit where credit is due to the opposing goalie. Can't have it both ways.

too funny- look, Im not upset..at all. The OP i responded to was saying "canuck fans making ***** of themselves" ..I didnt see it that way, that's all. No big deal really, and as I said- I wasnt sure why I was even responding!

By the way- if this reminds you of Devils getting sarcastic on you..it may have something to do with your condescending attitude.

Really? Because I could have sworn that whichever team wins the game is what really matters... :dunno:

.

It is what matters,but this thread was Giguere VS Luongo.

too funny- look, Im not upset..at all. The OP i responded to was saying "canuck fans making ***** of themselves" ..I didnt see it that way, that's all.

Then you shouldn't have quoted me.

By the way- if this reminds you of Devils getting sarcastic on you..it may have something to do with your condescending attitude.

I think your snide (and trite) comment about how other teams shouldn't bother to show up was pretty condescending, I was just responding in kind. Don't dish it if you can't take it.

Show me some Ducks fans who say Giguere is better than Luongo overall? I think just about everyone says that Luongo's the better goalie.

But he's not better in all aspects of the game. For example, Giguere is better in rebound control. And in this series, Giguere has been equal or better than Luongo. Whenever Vancouver has a flurry, Giguere's stopped almost all the shots, keeping us in the game. Yes there have been a few wide open chances that Vancouver has flubbed on, but we have probably had more chances messed up (posts, deflections from defensemen saving open nets, etc).

Now it's likely you can't see this because of your broadcast. I've seen the past two games through the HNIC, and Hughson rarely points out good saves by Giguere.

And your offense and powerplay aren't world class, but they're not horrible either. Part of the scoring problems is the lack of depth of offense and the great defenseive play by both Dallas and Anaheim. Both teams have such great shutdown ability that it appears that your main threats, the Sedins, are invisible. This is BOTH the Sedins fault, and the opposing team's doing.

By the way, an enemic powerplay sounds even less enjoyable than an anemid powerplay.
I get CBC, Hughson although a huge Canuck fan, is IMO world class, his knowledge of the game puts most others to shame. I dont see him as a homer though..could be wrong. I hear him "GGrreeat save Giguere" too many times frankly!

not sure about all duck fans saying RL is better than JS- Im sure we could both find posts pointing to each.

I will say the rest of your post is pretty accurate and honest..and I agree with pretty much all of it <waits for spacetime continuum to implode> except not sure what a Morocco Powerplay has to do with anything either:sarcasm:

Then you shouldn't have quoted me.



I think your snide (and trite) comment about how other teams shouldn't bother to show up was pretty condescending, I was just responding in kind. Don't dish it if you can't take it.
I can take it :)
I quoted your "If the ducks had finished in Game 2 it would be over but they didnt so it's not.That's what matters..not what if's."something about that statement I find funny..sorry to offend you :)
Wait, first you get all upset because of some perceived slight against your team's quality ... and then you turn around and slag them for having a crappy offense instead of giving any credit to Giguere? If Vancouver's offense sucks so incredibly badly that it makes any opposing goalie look like a Luongo-level superstar, then perhaps they aren't such a good team to begin with and you shouldn't get so defensive about them. Or if they are a good team, and normally can finish their chances better than that, then also give credit where credit is due to the opposing goalie. Can't have it both ways.
This is getting silly. The OP i responded was not at you, the slight was against us( the fans) not the team. I didnt see where the comments the OP had quoted made us fans look like *****. that's what responded to. I even said Giggy was a great Goalie- so not sure where you get I never gave credit to him.
I have no problem slaggin my team, if it quacks like a duck...wait..probably not a good analogy to use here...:D

Whatever- I doubt we will agree on anything here and we could go round and round all day, might be fun and help pass the time till 6 but I better actually do some work, Good Luck the rest of the way- enjoy the game tonight.

Giguere has performed better than Luongo in this series, but some of that might be attributable to the Canucks' inability to finish.

I even said Giggy was a great Goalie- so not sure where you get I never gave credit to him.

The post of yours I responded to suggested that it was Vancouver's doing that's making things easier for Giguere than Luongo. That's fine ... but if you want to make that argument then it seems to me that you shouldn't be so upset if someone suggests that Vancouver's not nearly as good as a team that has both a strong offense and defense. But if you want to make the claim that they are as good (or as some of your fellow fans have argued, have outplayed the Ducks this series) then it should be more than fair to compare both goalies' performances.

Anyway back on topic, by my tally Luongo thus far has had one bad game, one strong game, and two average ones marred by puckhandling gaffes. Giguere's pretty much just had 4 rock solid performances. I don't think it's unfair at all to say that JSG has had the better series so far.

I get CBC, Hughson although a huge Canuck fan, is IMO world class, his knowledge of the game puts most others to shame. I dont see him as a homer though..could be wrong. I hear him "GGrreeat save Giguere" too many times frankly!

not sure about all duck fans saying RL is better than JS- Im sure we could both find posts pointing to each.

I will say the rest of your post is pretty accurate and honest..and I agree with pretty much all of it <waits for spacetime continuum to implode> except not sure what a Morocco Powerplay has to do with anything either:sarcasm:
Well Hughson is knowledgable, and he does point out more great save s by Giguere than I originally said, but I do know he doesn't point out nearly as many as I see. Which is fine, he's obviously a Vancouver fan. A little disappointing that it's a national broadcast, but it's a national broadcast to Canada with a Canadian team.

As to anemid... holy irony Batman!

Well Hughson is knowledgable, and he does point out more great save s by Giguere than I originally said, but I do know he doesn't point out nearly as many as I see. Which is fine, he's obviously a Vancouver fan. A little disappointing that it's a national broadcast, but it's a national broadcast to Canada with a Canadian team.

As to anemid... holy irony Batman!
Ya, good thing his name isnt Shane Doan !

If the ducks had finished in Game 2 it would be over but they didnt so it's not.That's what matters..not what if's.
I know , I know..The Ducks are the best team in the land...I dont even know why other teams bother to show up!

Luongo is better, according to everyone else(including JS) except for you guys. That's what matters..

How many Duck fans have said that exactly? I don't think the person you originally quoted and who you say is slighting Vancouver fans is even a Ducks fan---just another fan of another team who is participating in this thread. Yet you say "you guys" as if this is the opinion of Ducks fans in general.

Most Duck fans will say that Luongo is the better skilled goalie overall. But in a given playoff series or head-to-head during any given game, it's also possible that Giguere can be as good, or nearly as good as Luongo. Again, overall? No.

In a seven game series, there are a lot of factors contributing to which team eventually comes out on top, but a goalie can sometimes be the biggest difference. Giguere was that for the Ducks in 2003---a team sans Niedermayer and Pronger. He carried the team to game 7 of the SCFs. That experience and going through that type pressure gives Jiggy intangibles in his tool box that Luongo hasn't had the opportunity to add to his skill set just yet. That kind of playoff experience is valuable and can't be measured in the same way pure physical skill can.

Rebounds and more rebounds. He's a rebound factory. He also can't handle the puck. The Ducks have score two or three goals off his mis-handles.
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Luongo
Nominated for: Hart, Vezina, Pearson.


Giguere
Nominated for: ________________



And Luongo doesnt have 2 Norris defensman playing in front of him.

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Luongo
Nominated for: Hart, Vezina, Pearson.


Giguere
Awarded: 2003 Conn Smythe Trophy

And Giguere didn't have 2 Norris defensman playing in front of him.

Fixed it for you.

Fixed it for you.

Trophies that are four years old are not very applicable to present value.

Trophies that are four years old are not very applicable to present value.

Applicable in terms of experience. And these are the playoffs, not the regular season.

Look, I'm not saying Giguere is better than Luongo, or Vezina/Hart worthy. See my post above.

I'm just sick of some Canuck fans, this guy in particular and the idiot who just deleted his post, who give Giguere very little credit. It was already pointed out to Bottom Line that neither Niedermayer nor Pronger played for the Ducks in 2003 or in the years when Giguere had very good numbers with a mediocre Ducks team. Isn't it convenient that his STILL chooses to ignore this fact?

I agree. Giguerre has played some great hockey. He has made some big save. I think Giguerre is underrated around here.

I agree. Giguerre has played some great hockey. He has made some big save. I think Giguerre is underrated around here.

I don't think any Ducks fans will try to argue that Giguere is better than Luongo. Just that he's pretty close, and far closer than a lot of Canucks' fans have made it sound. Luongo is pretty amazing. The only real weakness I see with him is rebound control. I've seen numerous occasions where he will make a spectacular save, but in giving up a nasty rebound he has to make one or two extra saves that really shouldn't be necessary. While Giguere is all about positional hockey, Luongo has great position while having tremendous athletic ability. It's pretty amazing to see.

I think Duck fans need to know where Canuck fans are coming from. The Vancouver Canucks are responsible for Sanford having a job, Lalime still having a career, and Turco erasing his playoff demons. ;)


This year there was some crazy stat that at the begining of the year, I forget how many games exactly, but during that stretch, the opposing goalie was in the three star selection everytime. Our "offense" has a way of making other goalies look like freaking studs. The Canucks offense gets so bad that they end up taking easy shots from long distance, or bad angle shots that have no chance of going in, so that to a random stat sheet observer, they think that "Oh man, that goalie dominated against the Canucks."



That being said, though, Giguere's playing style plays right into the Canucks making other goalies look like gods. What I mean is, Giguere is one of the best positionally sound goalies out there, and he isn't often scrambling to recover. Most of the time he is set, and makes the easy save because of his amazing positioning. So, while against some goalies the Canucks look like they are shooting the puck into the goalies chest all game and have a ****** offence going, Giguere helps inflate this theory because he is so good at being in position, often leaving the Canucks with nothing more to shoot at than his chest.


I think Giguere has been good this series, but not great, because quite frankly he hasn't had to be yet. The Canucks offence/PP is pathetic. But Giguere is playing positionally sound and making the saves when he has to, so yeah, he is beating out Luongo in this round. Luongo hasn't been able to make that game saving save the last two games, and with a team like the Canucks, if Luongo isn't amazing-godlike, we end up struggling to get a win a lot. (Which is why it is indeed a fair statement to say that Giguere gets a lot of help by having Pronger and Niedermayer in front of him. I don't think you understand the pain of Brent Sopel. ;) )


What was the stat? If Luongo gives up more than 1 goal the Canucks are like 1-5 in the playoffs so far? I vaguely remember hearing that. He's like Roger Clemens with no run support over here. :/




Anyways, I think it's a valid point that Giguere can easily beat out Luongo in a playoff series, and that Giguere does have the ability to go on a tear in the playoffs, something many goalies never end up having. I honestly thought Giguere would struggle a lot with the pad restrictions, but he has been fine, and if I was a Ducks fan I would be happy with Giguere, as he is a great goalie to have at his price range. If you can't have an elite 7 million dollar keeper, the next best thing is an amazing 3-5 million dollar keeper that you know can go on a deep run into the playoffs.

I'm just sick of some Canuck fans, this guy in particular and the idiot who just deleted his post, who give Giguere very little credit. It was already pointed out to Bottom Line that neither Niedermayer nor Pronger played for the Ducks in 2003 or in the years when Giguere had very good numbers with a mediocre Ducks team and Michelin Man Pads. Isn't it convenient that his STILL chooses to ignore this fact?

Feelings mutual :)

Fixed it for you.

I keed I keed

I like JS, I always have. I think he was a tad over rated for awhile, he may actually be underrated at the moment. I give him full marks for this series, I still don't think he has been really tested by us.

I apologize for the generalizations about " you guys" I have just seen a lot of quacking by some Duck fans directed at our team, which is fine, but lets leave the name calling and personal attacks out of it. Which is what I responded to initially, if you read that post I give credit to JS...sheesh,,this is silly

You gave me a great idea for another stache avatar.

http://www.daveyg.com/Pictures/MichelinStache1.jpg

Applicable in terms of experience. And these are the playoffs, not the regular season.

Look, I'm not saying Giguere is better than Luongo, or Vezina/Hart worthy. See my post above.

I'm just sick of some Canuck fans, this guy in particular and the idiot who just deleted his post, who give Giguere very little credit. It was already pointed out to Bottom Line that neither Niedermayer nor Pronger played for the Ducks in 2003 or in the years when Giguere had very good numbers with a mediocre Ducks team. Isn't it convenient that his STILL chooses to ignore this fact?

Oh you mean that year that Giguere looked like Yokozuna with Pads in net? Brining up stats from 4 years ago is hurting. I guess Ron Hextall and Mike Liut are top goalies today then.

Didnt Jim Carey win a Conn Smythe?

not the actor.

Oh you mean that year that Giguere looked like Yokozuna with Pads in net? Brining up stats from 4 years ago is hurting. I guess Ron Hextall and Mike Liut are top goalies today then.

Didnt Jim Carey win a Conn Smythe?

not the actor.

Why is that hurting? If Giguere has proven he can play in the playoffs, why is it irrelevant?

And just HOW LONG ago did Carey win his Conn Smythe? Now that's hurting. Why don't you compare Carey's stats to Giguere's stats in the years following Carey's Conn Smythe? Giguere may not have had a great 2003-04, but he was hurt and did improve in the second half of that year. And BTW, the Ducks were a generally all-around bad team that year. Did Giguere not finish near the top in goalie statistics THIS season? And also wasn't too shabby last year either? Yeah, I thought so.

Why is that hurting? If Giguere has proven he can play in the playoffs, why is it irrelevant?

And just HOW LONG ago did Carey win his Conn Smythe? Now that's hurting. Why don't you compare Carey's stats to Giguere's stats in the year's following Carey's Conn Smythe? Giguere may not have had a great 2003-04, but he was hurt and did improve in the second half of that year. And BTW, the Ducks were a generally all-around bad team that year. Did Giguere not finish near the top in goalie statistics THIS season? And also wasn't too shabby last year either? Yeah, I thought so.

Thought what?:shakehead

why talk about the past?
Talk about the Present.

I just pointed out the award nominations.
thats it.

Actually Jim Carey didn't win a Conn Smythe. He won a Vezina.

For the last time, Giguere's pads are legal. They were even measured during 2003 when there was the furor over them. Are they larger than some goalies relative to his size? Sure. But they're legal. And if the pads make so much of a difference, then why doesn't EVERY goalie have such large pads. Or maybe they aren't that big and some fans are just parroting something false said by some sore losers 4 years ago?

And as irrelevant as a 4 year old Conn Smythe award may be, need I mention that only one player on your organization has been to the Stanley Cup finals in the past 5 years and could be even considered for the Smythe? By the way that's Marc Chouinard.

And Vezina etc. nominations do not mask the fact that Luongo has been poor on rebounds. It doesn't make him a bad goalie. It's just what's been apparent in this series.

Who cares people? We all know no one is going convince anyone of each other's opinion so why bother.

Luongo is great and is probably going to win a couple of trophies next month. Jiggy is great and looks like we might lead us to the Finals again. Frankly we should all laugh at the fact that we have two of the best goalies between are two teams.


The Canucks might lose this series and it won't be solely Luongo's falut. The Ducks might win this series and it's won't solely be because of Jiggy. It's not like we are being witnessed to some fantastic goaltending duel right now.

But I can tell you this, which is all that matters anyways: You guys wouldn't anyone but Luongo in net whereas we(well I at least) wouldn't want anyone but in Jiggy in ours. The way I see it we both have something to brag about.

Now if there were to be a Selanne vs. Naslund thread.... ;)

Thought what?:shakehead

why talk about the past?
Talk about the Present.

I just pointed out the award nominations.
thats it.

I did address the present by bringing up the fact that with the exception of 2003-04, Giguere has put up some pretty respectable numbers. So your comparison to Carey is what is irrelevant.

Maybe 2005-06 and 2006-07 regular season numbers are too far in the past for you?

Trophies that are four years old are not very applicable to present value.

So then why does it matter that Niedermayer and Pronger won Norris? Pronger's was longer ago than Giguere's so arguing arguing that Giguere's trophy is irrelevant renders 2 Norris trophy winners on our blue line irrelevant right?

http://www.nhl.com/trophies/norris.html

Nierdermayer won his Norris one year after Giguere won his CS and Pronger won his three years before. Both the Canucks and Ducks have the same number of reigning Norris trophy winners, a grand total of 0.

My point is, I guess, the past does matter. The Ducks do have a couple of amazing d-men on the blue line. Luongo is the better goalie in the regular season and probably has a better overall skill set, but I'll take Giguere in the playoffs. Giguere has shown the MOST important quality in a playoff goalie, mental toughness. That's not saying the Luongo hasn't or won't, but Giguere has been there, was a game away from winning it all with a team that (on paper) was far inferior to this one so what's to say he won't win that extra game with this team?

Jim Carey (95-96) - 35 Wins, 2.26 GAA, .906 SV%, Vezina Trophy

JS Giguere (06-07) - 36 Wins, 2.26 GAA, .911 SV%


Uh oh...we might have another Jim Carey on our hands! :sarcasm:

Y'know the more I see it, the more I think there's no use trying to argue. It's just how it is. The fans are influenced by the media they get.

It seems a lot of the Vancouver/Canadian media gave the Canucks no chance, and the fans are extra defensive because they feel disrespected. And 3rd party fans (many who hate the Canucks) chiming in before the series haven't helped. Nevermind that the Ducks, or Ducks fans have been much more fair. Hell the OC Register predicted Anaheim in 6. No sweep predicted there.

The Canadian media went crazy about the Giguere pad thing in 2003. Well true or not, I think a lot of fans have kept that impression through the present.

When I see the HNIC broadcast, it is Canucks slanted. Not completely slanted, like a lot of local telecasts, but certainly slanted. Teemu dives and pulls out Salo's stick. The team is running the goalie. The voices get very excited for Luongo's saves and not nearly as much for Giguere's saves. Well guess what, that's what the fans come on later complaining about. Nevermind that the telecast sometimes corrects itself after replays, the seeds have already been planted.

If the ducks had finished in Game 2 it would be over but they didnt so it's not.That's what matters..not what if's.
I know , I know..The Ducks are the best team in the land...I dont even know why other teams bother to show up!

Luongo is better, according to everyone else(including JS) except for you guys. That's what matters..
Umm no, we are just pointing out the gap isn't the size of the Pacific Ocean like some of you make it out to be.

Opinions of Giguere seem to be straying both ways.
He is not on Luongo's level, but in crunch time Giguere seems to buckle down and try harder. Luongo gets let down by his team.

Giguere probably isn't a top-5 goalie in the league.
Brodeur, Kipper, Luongo all have to be above him.
Lehtonen, Lundqvist, and Fleury are rising fast (and might be better given their teams' styles of play)
And I'd say Rick DiPietro is close.

Marty Turco was in danger of being released...let go...gone. He still might be moved since most people will chalk this up to a one-time wonder.

Luongo's stength is his athleticism. He is fast. His weaknesses are that he is bad in traffic, and can be exploited on defensive breakdowns.

Giguere's strength is facing up on shooters, and his ability to smother rebounds when he is on. His weaknesses are poor stickhandling, poor catching skills, overcommitting (the Naslund goal is something that happens a bit against JS), and his temper (or is that a strength since he seems to have the fire)

change your avatar.. That one is taken.:teach:

Didnt Jim Carey win a Conn Smythe?

Do you even watch ****ing hockey?

Do you even watch ****ing hockey?

LOL- you have no idea how much hockey that guy watches..he's probably forgottn more about hockey then most know.

A NY W A Y S...


Tonights game should settle this arguement.

LOL- you have no idea how much hockey that guy watches..he's probably forgottn more about hockey then most know.

A NY W A Y S...


Tonights game should settle this arguement.

Never really was much of an argument. Luongo's cream of the crop. Giguere's best of the next tier. Any team would be lucky to have either.

..he's probably forgottn more about hockey then most know.

Appears that way.

Never really was much of an argument. Luongo's cream of the crop. Giguere's best of the next tier. Any team would be lucky to have either.
Agreed

Y'know the more I see it, the more I think there's no use trying to argue. It's just how it is. The fans are influenced by the media they get.

There is no logical reason for it but Giguere gets zero respect from fans. Its always an excuse... his pads are big, his defense is good, etc.

I don't understand it, but frankly I don't really care. The Ducks are going to the WCF and the Canucks are going home. Maybe Luongo will mount his Hart on the front of his golf cart so he can see it every day.

Giguere isnt that great he has his good seasons and bad seasons, Luongo is a much better goalie IMHO He faced so much more shots that giguere did in total and i dont understand why yall get so defensive about this especially since yall made it in your own part of the forum?

Giguere isnt that great he has his good seasons and bad seasons

What bad seasons would those be?

Aside from that last OT goal of course, Luongo put on one of the most amazing goaltending performances I have ever seen.

Jiggy is very, very solid. Luongo is freakin' ridiculous, though.

1999-00 CALG, NHL 7 1 3 1 330 15 0 2.73 2 175 0.91
2000-01 ANAH, NHL 34 11 17 5 2031 87 4 2.57 8 976 0.91
2001-02 ANAH, NHL 53 20 25 6 3127 111 4 2.13 28 1384 0.92
2002-03 ANAH, NHL 65 34 22 6 3775 145 8 2.30 8 1820 0.92
2003-04 ANAH, NHL 55 17 31 6 3210 140 3 2.62 0 1623 0.91
2005-06 ANAH, NHL 60 30 15 11 3381 150 2 2.66 20 1692 0.91
2006-07 ANAH, NHL 56 36 10 8 3244 122 4 2.26 0 1490 0.92

Man, that looks horrible. He should be sent to Europe.

Giguere isnt that great he has his good seasons and bad seasons, Luongo is a much better goalie IMHO He faced so much more shots that giguere did in total and i dont understand why yall get so defensive about this especially since yall made it in your own part of the forum?

It would be an error to assume that everyone on this board (or most) thinks alike. Y'all.

1999-00 CALG, NHL 7 1 3 1 330 15 0 2.73 2 175 0.91
2000-01 ANAH, NHL 34 11 17 5 2031 87 4 2.57 8 976 0.91
2001-02 ANAH, NHL 53 20 25 6 3127 111 4 2.13 28 1384 0.92
2002-03 ANAH, NHL 65 34 22 6 3775 145 8 2.30 8 1820 0.92
2003-04 ANAH, NHL 55 17 31 6 3210 140 3 2.62 0 1623 0.91
2005-06 ANAH, NHL 60 30 15 11 3381 150 2 2.66 20 1692 0.91
2006-07 ANAH, NHL 56 36 10 8 3244 122 4 2.26 0 1490 0.92

Man, that looks horrible. He should be sent to Europe.Pepper, you should know better. Things like facts and stats do not belong on internet message board arguments. The nerve of you.

CBC guy also said he had never seen a goalie performance like Luongo's.

Where were all these people when Jiggy was unconscious in the SCF in 2003? I was there in Anaheim, and I can tell you that those were without any doubt the best goalie playoff performances put together in this era. Brodeur is the only goalie out there that has a right to be called elite of the elite.

Don't get me wrong. I think all the goaltenders in the NHL are elite -- every last one of them (well, maybe not Cloutier ).

For right now. The teams that are still in the WCPs are the best teams with the best goalies IMO. And the very best goalie this year will be the one that skates the cup.

Personally I think Giguere's performance in 2003 Game 1 of Stanley Cup was bet goalie performance I've ever seen.

Playing in his first playoff game, he was fortunate to go against a high powered #1 ranked Detroit team. I thin he had almost an equally ridiculous amount of saves...

Detroit is a much touger city/arena to play in...

Oh and he actually won the game too...

I'm not arguing whose better, but I think if giguere tests the free agent market he'll be making Luongo-type money.

Aside from that last OT goal of course, Luongo put on one of the most amazing goaltending performances I have ever seen.

Jiggy is very, very solid. Luongo is freakin' ridiculous, though.

Or the goal in game 3 a minute in that was totally his fault. Cost his team the game IMO.

He played great, but he screwed up twice. Can't do stuff like that this time of year.

Bryzgalov did a similar thing last season against Edmonton. The Oilers' back up did the same thing against Carolina late in a tied game.

I don't consider it one of the greatest goalie performances.

Giguere isnt that great he has his good seasons and bad seasons, Luongo is a much better goalie IMHO He faced so much more shots that giguere did in total and i dont understand why yall get so defensive about this especially since yall made it in your own part of the forum?
Giguere has never had a bad season here. He had a bad start in 03-04 and he wasn't near the top of the problems the effort and patheticness from the skaters was.

People who think he's been bad are the people that try to measure his career vs the 03 playoff run, but whenever we have been in the playoff race, 3 of the last 4 years he has been money..

CBC guy also said he had never seen a goalie performance like Luongo's.

Where were all these people when Jiggy was unconscious in the SCF in 2003? I was there in Anaheim, and I can tell you that those were without any doubt the best goalie playoff performances put together in this era. Brodeur is the only goalie out there that has a right to be called elite of the elite.

Don't get me wrong. I think all the goaltenders in the NHL are elite -- every last one of them (well, maybe not Cloutier ).

For right now. The teams that are still in the WCPs are the best teams with the best goalies IMO. And the very best goalie this year will be the one that skates the cup.
They were all caught in the moment, Gigueres 03 run was better because he almost won a cup by himself. Luongo got his team out of round one, and somehow it's a legendary performance, I do get what you mean.

not sure what you are :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: about.
Each game -save for game 1- has been a coin flip. this series could easily be 3- 1 the other way.
The Canucks have missed more open nets this series then last. It has been our inability to finish that has been the deciding factor.not to mention the injuries( no excuse- just fact) Giggy is a great goalie. Luongo is jsut a little better.

Honestly, not sure why Im responding to this- I woud thnk, all kidding and gloating aside, most dukheads would agree...am I wrong?

I was :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: at the Vancouver poster who was claiming that the the Canucks were going to "win in 6" and that Anaheim wouldnt be as hard as Dallas, because Dallas is a better team then Anaheim. If you actually read my post i was laughing at the Canucks fans who make @sses of themselves.


How many Duck fans have said that exactly? I don't think the person you originally quoted and who you say is slighting Vancouver fans is even a Ducks fan---just another fan of another team who is participating in this thread. Yet you say "you guys" as if this is the opinion of Ducks fans in general.

You are correct. I dont really like the Ducks at all. But you have to respect them, they are an exciting team to watch and are really strong. But that guy saying that Vancouver was going to wipe up Anaheim made me laugh so hard I almost peed myself. Vancouver is a piss poor team with a hot goaltender. They have the worst captain in the NHL. Not exciting to watch at all.

Turco > Giguere

Luongo > Giguere

Don't even mention Giguere in the same sentence. As Turco and Luongo, it's the new english rule, it's considered incorrect in many many ways. I have the upmost respect for Turco after the Dallas-Vancouver Series... I don't think the Canucks can face a better goalie than Turco for the rest of the playoffs. No offense to Giguere, but he is not a "Top 5" goalie in the leage (Luongo, Turco, Brodeur, Kiprusoff, Nabakov, Toskala, Miller, Dipietro in no particular order are ahead of Giguere in the league, overall ranking) Bryzgalov is just as good as Giguere, and for one reason, those two 6 million D-man you guys have...
Did I mention this guy is my favorite poster?

You know something, I think this discussion is a little meaningless.
I believe Loungo is the better goalie, but Giguere comes at a much cheeper price.
If the Ducks had Loungo, they wouldn't be able to afford Pronger and Neids.
So in that way, Giguere is better than Loungo.

I am a Canuck fan and I am a huge fan of Loungo, for without him we would not even have been able to make the play-offs.
But if I compared your top 2 defenceman and goalie against the Canucks goalie and top two defenceman. Although I am happy with our defence, I would take yours over ours. Neids and Pronger are the difference makers.
Not to mention, if the Canucks don't find more offence you have seen their top potential this year.