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DANCIN'WITHJANSSEN 04-22-2007, 08:30 PM BELOW IS A QUOTE FROM SOMEONE ON ANOTHER BOARD THAT CLAIMS PARISE SCORED IN THE THIRD AND THE REFS MISSED IT...CHJECK IT OUT
FROM YAHOO BOARD"No one on the ice, nor in the studio, caught a goal that was scored in the 3rd period of game 6 in Tampa Bay. Zach Parise of New Jersey actually scored a goal that happened so fast, no one even saw it, including the referees.
The goal was scored with 13:46 left in the 3rd, just before the penalty was called. If you watch the replay at that time, and slow the tape down, you can clearly see that the puck went into the back of the net and then quickly came out.
The New Jersey Devils actually should have won by 2 goals!
Please take a moment to check out the replay to see the unscored goal. I thought I saw it go in as it happened and then I was able to confirm it once I watched the replay on my HDTV... "
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Devilswede 04-22-2007, 08:39 PM What??!:amazed: :amazed:
Proof please! I so want to see that....
If it indeed was a goal I'll go nuts, even if we won...that would just be unacceptable..
ankylo 04-22-2007, 08:44 PM you know...I thought Parise scored in the 3rd as well...I remember the play, I actually threw my arms up when the play happened cause it looked like it went in...they showed one replay of the play but it was a crappy angle.
Parise9_Zajac19 04-22-2007, 08:45 PM :amazed:
No matter...we won, but I'm gunna go check that out right now...
Easton 04-22-2007, 08:45 PM But we still win, right?
Captain Lou 04-22-2007, 08:46 PM Well neither Parise nor any of the Devils thought it went in, no one said anything. Plus there was plenty of time to argue/review it because they went to comercial right after.
For what it's worth, I jumped out of my seat, too.
Cry_Wolf 04-22-2007, 08:47 PM I think I remember what you guys are talking about. I remember seeing, and screaming a bit, Parise by the net and the puck going across/possibly past Holmqivst.
Although, if I had a video clip of it again I'm sure we could all point it out. But it doesn't matter to me now since we won anyway.
Devilswede 04-22-2007, 08:48 PM :amazed:
No matter...we won, but I'm gunna go check that out right now...
If you find out somthing please let us know....
youtube it maybe?
Parise9_Zajac19 04-22-2007, 08:50 PM Now that I think about it...I remember that! I started screaming my head off...Hmm. I KNEW I seen SOMETHING black go into the net...I thought I was crazy or something. (As well as my family...:p: )
:biglaugh: Wow....
DevilsFan38 04-22-2007, 08:51 PM When it happened I thought it was a goal. But I figured they reviewed it and ruled it to not be a goal.
If anyone has it recorded and can check it out and tell us, that would be great.
Parise9_Zajac19 04-22-2007, 08:51 PM If you find out somthing please let us know....
youtube it maybe?
The best I can do is record my TV with my digital camera...? I could if you really wanted me to...
Guttersnipe 04-22-2007, 08:58 PM When it happened I thought it was a goal. But I figured they reviewed it and ruled it to not be a goal.
If anyone has it recorded and can check it out and tell us, that would be great.
I just watched and the puck clearly goes in; it's kind of amazing that no one seemed to notice. O'Brien crossed-checked Parise in the crease right after the puck went in, which might have distracted the ref. I'm not sure what excuse the goal judge and the NBC have for spacing out and missing a puck hitting the back of the net however.
GentlemanOfLeisure 04-22-2007, 09:00 PM I just watched and the puck clearly goes in; it's kind of amazing that no one seemed to notice. O'Brien crossed-checked Parise in the crease right after the puck went in, which might have distracted the ref. I'm not sure what excuse the goal judge and the NBC have for spacing out and missing a puck hitting the back of the net however.
we won, end of story. Sounds stupid... but if we were up 4-2, maybe Tampa does something different and we lose. You never know...
Marty's Bread Basket 04-22-2007, 09:02 PM All I remember is screaming excitedly, but then feeling stupid because it wasn't a goal, or at least Doc didn't say so. Why didn't the players argue it? ...or did they not see it go in as well.
If the Devils did not win, then I would be flaming right now, but its done.
Rochester22 04-22-2007, 09:03 PM we won, end of story. Sounds stupid... but if we were up 4-2, maybe Tampa does something different and we lose. You never know...
Yeah but if we lost , imagine the hate mail the NHL would get. If indeed that was a goal, man I'm pissed
DevilsFan38 04-22-2007, 09:03 PM I just watched and the puck clearly goes in; it's kind of amazing that no one seemed to notice. O'Brien crossed-checked Parise in the crease right after the puck went in, which might have distracted the ref. I'm not sure what excuse the goal judge and the NBC have for spacing out and missing a puck hitting the back of the net however.
Wow, that sucks. Parise would have set a Devils record for most goals in a playoff series if they had counted it.
Devils got the win, but it still would have been nice.
Any kind of video would be great.
Captain Lou 04-22-2007, 09:06 PM Wow, that sucks. Parise would have set a Devils record for most goals in a playoff series if they had counted it.
Devils got the win, but it still would have been nice.
Claude Lemieux was at the game and sprayed mace in the eyes of:
The goal judge, the refs, Emrick/Olczyk, Lou, all the Devils, Video Replay Official and Morganna "The Kissing Bandit".
He wanted to keep his record intact.
GentlemanOfLeisure 04-22-2007, 09:07 PM By the way... anyone know why Tortarella hates John Maclean?
Captain Lou 04-22-2007, 09:07 PM I would also like to add:
It is good luck to not have a goal count. Reverse psychology.
Remember Pando vs. Ottawa in 2003? How'd that turn out?????
Captain Lou 04-22-2007, 09:09 PM By the way... anyone know why Tortarella hates John Maclean?
Because MacLean pwned him all series, and Tortellini is a whiny d-bag who can't handle losing :dunno:
Devilswede 04-22-2007, 09:18 PM The best I can do is record my TV with my digital camera...? I could if you really wanted me to...
Yeah, please do that. It would be great! Thanks!
holy roman empire 04-22-2007, 09:22 PM By the way... anyone know why Tortarella hates John Maclean?
I think it started at the end of Game 5, when Tampa started 2 straight fights after the empty netter, one of which was a beating that Jamie Langenbrunner took, afterwards you could see MacLean and Tortarelli verbally mixing it up.
My guess is MacLean called him out for sending his players to start fights down 3-0 with a minute left and Torarelli got hot over being made to look like an ass. So he did the logical thing: made himself look like a bigger ass by screaming at MacLean and then NYPost columnist Larry Brooks when queried about it in the postgame.
Devilsfanatic 04-22-2007, 09:24 PM I thought it went in too, no good replays afterwards. Who the heck cares though. We're going to play the Sens and Tampa is out. No big deal.
lucscaps 04-22-2007, 09:36 PM Wow I can't believe it, my girlfriend and I jumped also,
I just went back to the TVO and watched in slow motion, it was so in.
Man, would've made the last couple of mins easier with a 4-2 lead.
DevilsFan38 04-22-2007, 09:38 PM For those of you with it recorded, how much time was left when Parise "scored"?
thefiestygoat 04-22-2007, 09:39 PM Can anyone youtube it? I vaguely remember it. I know it doesn't matter now, I am just curious to see it again.
ZZ Pops 04-22-2007, 09:43 PM For those of you with it recorded, how much time was left when Parise "scored"?
The goal was scored with 13:46 left in the 3rd, just before the penalty was called. If you watch the replay at that time, and slow the tape down, you can clearly see that the puck went into the back of the net and then quickly came out.
:D
Just the fact that people are talking about a "maybe" goal again drives me nuts as a hockey fan. When's the last time a week went by without a goal scoring fiasco. The one thing that the NHL should look into this summer is to come up with the tech. to get these calls right without question. Maybe even taking away the thickness of the goal line.
Parise9_Zajac19 04-22-2007, 09:45 PM I did take a couple videos of it with my camera, but I'm kind of struggling to upload them, but I will get the links to them as soon as I can.
Rochester22 04-22-2007, 09:46 PM I did take a couple videos of it with my camera, but I'm kind of struggling to upload them, but I will get the links to them as soon as I can.
Thanks for the effort.
Did you think it was a goal by your view point?
I bet there's a race to start a thread in the Playoff forum as soon as a video gets posted.
Rochester22 04-22-2007, 09:50 PM I bet there's a race to start a thread in the Playoff forum as soon as a video gets posted.
Nah, National Hockey League Talk Forum;)
DevilsFan38 04-22-2007, 09:50 PM The goal was scored with 13:46 left in the 3rd, just before the penalty was called. If you watch the replay at that time, and slow the tape down, you can clearly see that the puck went into the back of the net and then quickly came out.
:D
I guess reading comprehension isn't my thing :help:
Parise9_Zajac19 04-22-2007, 10:05 PM Thanks for the effort.
Did you think it was a goal by your view point?
Definately. I remember watching it, then screaming my head off because I thought he had scored, but then nothing happened and I honestly thought I was going crazy because I had seen something black go in and out of the net. And after watching it a few times now, it's indisputably in. You pretty much miss it if you weren't playing close attention.
Classic Devil 04-22-2007, 10:05 PM Oh well. Would have been nice.
Parise9_Zajac19 04-22-2007, 10:20 PM Well, here's the best one of the two I took. I had to upload it on my Myspace because Youtube wasn't letting me upload it to my account.
It's pretty crusty, but if you really look, you can see the puck go in. I took another one, but for some reason, it kind of cut out when it happened.
So here it is: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2024407670
Classic Devil 04-22-2007, 10:25 PM I can't see a thing on that video. :(
Parise9_Zajac19 04-22-2007, 10:26 PM Haha alright...I tried. I was hoping it would work, but it was the best I could do. :)
EDIT: Here's a screenshot...
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b360/KK9nBV25/SCREENSHOT.jpg
bense27 04-22-2007, 10:32 PM you guys are kidding right? the puck was in the air. It deflected off Holmqvist into the corner
DevilsFan38 04-22-2007, 10:32 PM Haha alright...I tried. I was hoping it would work, but it was the best I could do. :)
EDIT: Here's a screenshot...
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b360/KK9nBV25/SCREENSHOT.jpg
That definitely could be the puck. Or it could be a black spot on the video.
But I'll trust you guys that replayed it with a bigger and clearer picture and said it was a goal.
Toonces 04-22-2007, 10:33 PM I remember seeing this too but I thought the puck must have have hit something and bounced into the air. It sure did look like it went in when I was watching it live.
thefiestygoat 04-22-2007, 10:35 PM Can anyone youtube it? For some reason the myspace video won't work for me at all.
Classic Devil 04-22-2007, 10:35 PM That screenshot convinces me. Zach got jypped.
crashlanding 04-22-2007, 10:37 PM you guys are kidding right? the puck was in the air. It deflected off Holmqvist into the corner
I'm with bense. There's NO WAY that that goes in, out, and into the corner that fast. That is one magic puck if it did.
guyincognito 04-22-2007, 10:40 PM That screenshot convinces me. Zach got jypped.
Are we sure that's not the butt-end of a stick? The quality is so poor.
darbosh 04-22-2007, 10:44 PM Three frames:
http://filer.case.edu/apr6/parise_1.jpg
http://filer.case.edu/apr6/parise_2.jpg
http://filer.case.edu/apr6/parise_4.jpg
midg14* 04-22-2007, 10:44 PM I have the game on tape. No question that was a goal. 110%. It curves around from the back of the net and comes out. For historical purposes Toronto should get this right.
Classic Devil 04-22-2007, 10:44 PM Are we sure that's not the butt-end of a stick? The quality is so poor.
If it were the butt-end of a stick it would have still been in the net at the end of the play - not suddenly appear and then dissapear in the middle of the play.
Richer's Ghost 04-22-2007, 10:45 PM Well I'm glad someone posted this - I thought the puck went in on that play too - but then suddenly the puck is in the corner... I thought it was one of those optical illusions due to the camera angle...
Simply unacceptable the NHL missed YET ANOTHER goal... Pando's goal from a few years back popped into my mind as soon as I read this - I see someone else remembered that too.
Oh well.... now how to shut down the Sens!
slackerracker 04-22-2007, 10:45 PM i thought it went in live too but when no one put there hands up and no one said anything i thought it was just an illusion with the puck and the net. Like somehow just the way the puck looked in the air it looked like it was in the net.
Classic Devil 04-22-2007, 10:46 PM You know, we've got a history of not getting credit for legitemate goals - but they never come back to bite us. Can you imagine if we'd ended up losing this game and then this came out?
Although, the fact that not even Parise realized it was in speaks in the goal judge's favor.
fIREnIcE 04-22-2007, 10:48 PM true story: was in the gym, on a treadmill when this happend and I celebrated but no one else did, my employees who are also Devil fans and players on the ice alike....every one looked at me like I had twelve heads, including a professional hockey player
DevilsFan38 04-22-2007, 10:51 PM You know, we've got a history of not getting credit for legitemate goals - but they never come back to bite us. Can you imagine if we'd ended up losing this game and then this came out?
Although, the fact that not even Parise realized it was in speaks in the goal judge's favor.
The ONLY thing the goal judge has to watch is the inside of the net. That's all. Parise had a few more things to be concerned about.
guyincognito 04-22-2007, 10:52 PM If it were the butt-end of a stick it would have still been in the net at the end of the play - not suddenly appear and then dissapear in the middle of the play.
Well, if the butt-end of Holmqvist's stick was black and it ended up being tight to
his jersey, you wouldn't see it, especially in a grainy video like that.
I'm just playing Devils' advocate here. I was too far away from the TV to notice
any of this, and that video is all I got. It's pretty bad if they missed this, considering there was a break for the penalty call.
Devils Mike 04-22-2007, 10:55 PM Gonna go check it because I recorded it.
midg14* 04-22-2007, 10:58 PM I was wrong. I looked at it again and it's not a goal. It went wide and was in the air and seemed to go in the net.
TaiMaiShu 04-22-2007, 11:01 PM There's no way the puck went in and then bounced out to the side like that.
David Puddy 04-22-2007, 11:01 PM Jay Pandolfo put he puck across the goal line, between the posts and below the crossbar in the 2003 Eastern Conference Finals and wasn't given credit for a goal against Ottawa. The Devils won the game, which I believe was the 1-0 Game 3 Devils victory, so it wasn't a big deal.
There's no way the puck went in and then bounced out to the side like that.
ITS THE MAGIC PUCK
Ronnie Bass 04-22-2007, 11:04 PM It didn't go in, it fooled me to but when I looked at in slo-mo for like the 10th time you can see it was in the air, it just looked like it went in, pretty freaky though.
ClaudeLemieux4HOF 04-22-2007, 11:16 PM Claude Lemieux was at the game and sprayed mace in the eyes of:
The goal judge, the refs, Emrick/Olczyk, Lou, all the Devils, Video Replay Official and Morganna "The Kissing Bandit".
He wanted to keep his record intact.
he was the most honest and professional man to ever play the game and i doubt hed ever do that :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
Guttersnipe 04-22-2007, 11:18 PM I just watched and the puck clearly goes in; it's kind of amazing that no one seemed to notice. O'Brien crossed-checked Parise in the crease right after the puck went in, which might have distracted the ref. I'm not sure what excuse the goal judge and the NBC have for spacing out and missing a puck hitting the back of the net however.
I watched it in blurry slo-mo a couple of times and I changed my mind; I don't think it's a goal. The puck seems to bounce off Holmquist across the crease to the left corner without crossing the line. I'm not positive because the angle sucks and the puck isn't visible the whole time it's in the air. The two Bolt d-men to the left of the net are clearly staring right at the puck and you can follow their sight-line, if that make sense.
The puck definitely takes a weird bounce and if you watch it in real time it really, really looks like it goes right in. Unfortunately NBC's slow-motion replay is shot from an even worse angle because they were focusing on the cross-check and not the puck.
Classic Devil 04-22-2007, 11:21 PM Well, goal or not, we won the game. In the end, that is what matters.
Easton 04-22-2007, 11:23 PM Too bad this one was on NBC or we could've watched a taping of it on FSNY.
Central Jersey Devil 04-22-2007, 11:29 PM BELOW IS A QUOTE FROM SOMEONE ON ANOTHER BOARD THAT CLAIMS PARISE SCORED IN THE THIRD AND THE REFS MISSED IT...CHJECK IT OUT
FROM YAHOO BOARD"No one on the ice, nor in the studio, caught a goal that was scored in the 3rd period of game 6 in Tampa Bay. Zach Parise of New Jersey actually scored a goal that happened so fast, no one even saw it, including the referees.
The goal was scored with 13:46 left in the 3rd, just before the penalty was called. If you watch the replay at that time, and slow the tape down, you can clearly see that the puck went into the back of the net and then quickly came out.
The New Jersey Devils actually should have won by 2 goals!
Please take a moment to check out the replay to see the unscored goal. I thought I saw it go in as it happened and then I was able to confirm it once I watched the replay on my HDTV... "
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BIG WIN! GO DEVILS!
I KNEW it!!!!!!!!! I remember seeing that backhand and cheering like crazy!!!!!
TB Sheets 04-22-2007, 11:30 PM OK, want a good non-goal call?
1994. Devils-Rangers in NJ. Final Devils-Rangers game of the season. Beezer in net for NY. Devils score on a quick shot that dinked off the back brace and right out. There was no replay at the time to reverse these things, but the replay CLEARLY showed it as a goal. I don't remember the score - it may have been tied at the time and that would have put the Devils ahead or something. I seem to remember that it would have made a difference. But as it was, it either ended in a tie or the Rangers scored later to win (I just don't remember).
Anyway, result? Devils finish the season a single point behind the Rangers for best record in the league. Which means that the Ranger had home ice in game 7 of the conference finals. If that goal had been counted the Devils would have won that game and finished with more points than the Rangers - and would have had home ice in that final (Matteau! Matteau!) game.
And maybe things would have turned out a little differently. ;)
Captain Lou 04-22-2007, 11:32 PM ITS THE MAGIC PUCK
Any relation to the magic loogy from Keith Hernandez that hit Kramer and Newman?
Classic Devil 04-22-2007, 11:33 PM OK, want a good non-goal call?
1994. Devils-Rangers in NJ. Final Devils-Rangers game of the season. Beezer in net for NY. Devils score on a quick shot that dinked off the back brace and right out. There was no replay at the time to reverse these things, but the replay CLEARLY showed it as a goal. I don't remember the score - it may have been tied at the time and that would have put the Devils ahead or something. I seem to remember that it would have made a difference. But as it was, it either ended in a tie or the Rangers scored later to win (I just don't remember).
Anyway, result? Devils finish the season a single point behind the Rangers for best record in the league. Which means that the Ranger had home ice in game 7 of the conference finals. If that goal had been counted the Devils would have won that game and finished with more points than the Rangers - and would have had home ice in that final (Matteau! Matteau!) game.
And maybe things would have turned out a little differently. ;)
1994 still makes me angry and/or sad. The frustration has left me since then, though.
Although, here's to a Devils/Rangers ECF this year, so we can kick their ass and get rid of those demons once and for all.
Parise9_Zajac19 04-22-2007, 11:34 PM It didn't go in, it fooled me to but when I looked at in slo-mo for like the 10th time you can see it was in the air, it just looked like it went in, pretty freaky though.
Yeah I just went and re-watched it a few more times and it doesn't seem like it could of just went in the net and back out into the corner THAT fast...We'll never know. As it has already been said: If we lost, it would of been a whole different story.
crashlanding 04-22-2007, 11:35 PM Anyway, result? Devils finish the season a single point behind the Rangers for best record in the league. Which means that the Ranger had home ice in game 7 of the conference finals. If that goal had been counted the Devils would have won that game and finished with more points than the Rangers - and would have had home ice in that final (Matteau! Matteau!) game.
They finished six points back...
TB Sheets 04-22-2007, 11:40 PM Oh, yeah - you're right. OK, that kinda makes me feel better.
So my memory isn't all that good for 13 year old events. :biglaugh:
DevilBesideYou 04-22-2007, 11:41 PM I don't know, I think it was a goal. I burstcaptured the whole thing and it looked to me like the puck went in and came out. Too bad there was no goal cam view.
Doesn't really matter since the Devils won, but still...
Ronnie Bass 04-22-2007, 11:45 PM Yeah I just went and re-watched it a few more times and it doesn't seem like it could of just went in the net and back out into the corner THAT fast...We'll never know. As it has already been said: If we lost, it would of been a whole different story.
It's one of those optical illusions, like I said after watching about a half dozen times I was convinced it was a goal, I even called my buddy who works in the NHL just to bust his balls, but then I went back after I saw midg14's post and looked at it even harder and then I could see it never went in, it just looks like it did.
kevintri 04-22-2007, 11:47 PM I slow mo'ed it on my hi-deff DVR, I think it was a goal. The ref was way in the corner he couldn't see, I believe a few Lightning saw it go in.
czxqa 04-22-2007, 11:53 PM Looking at those photos made me feel like I was searching for the Loch Ness monster. No way to tell if the puck crosses the line without the in-goal cam, I think.
Amberite 04-23-2007, 03:58 AM I was just watching the replay of the game on FSNNY and watched the play about 5-10 times from the two angles they showed. I'm 100% sure it didn't go in. Especially in the 2nd angle they showed, where the angle is from ice view right in back of Parise, you can see the puck shanked off of Holmqvist and to the side of the net. Also Parise had his eyes on the puck the entire time. He never lost sight. If it went in I'm sure HE would have seen it, and asked for a review. At no point though does the puck actually seem to be inside the net.
MoonDragn 04-23-2007, 10:55 AM I saw that on NBC, and you could see the puck bounce off hommer and into the corner, I think what that blip is in that photo is a shadow.
jkrdevil 04-23-2007, 10:57 AM The replay was shown on "On the Fly" which is on NHL.com. It went off of Holmqvist and into the corner. If it went into the net there is no way it would be able to go into the corner.
Richer's Ghost 04-23-2007, 11:57 AM Looking at those photos made me feel like I was searching for the Loch Ness monster. No way to tell if the puck crosses the line without the in-goal cam, I think.
ROFL! true dat.
:pullhair:
Rochester22 04-23-2007, 12:11 PM So it was NOT a goal then?
DevilBesideYou 04-23-2007, 12:29 PM After watching it again and again, I guess not. If it were, Parise would have done one of his happy goal celebrations.
Tacoby Bellsbury 04-23-2007, 12:33 PM I saw that on NBC, and you could see the puck bounce off hommer and into the corner, I think what that blip is in that photo is a shadow.
I was watching when it happened, and I saw two things that looked like pucks. One was in the net and one went into the corner. I thought it was a broken stick that was in the net or something, but I guess a shadow would make sense.
MoonDragn 04-23-2007, 12:49 PM I was watching when it happened, and I saw two things that looked like pucks. One was in the net and one went into the corner. I thought it was a broken stick that was in the net or something, but I guess a shadow would make sense.
Well, the key thing to notice is that if that was a puck, it would have hit the back of the net at that velocity, it would have moved the net. That net did not even flinch.
ghoti 04-23-2007, 01:11 PM I watched it about 30 times on my DVR and it is an illusion.
The puck appeared to be in the net, but it then crossed in front of the right post.
It was not a goal, even though even in slow motion on repeated viewings it looked like one.
DownFromNJ 04-23-2007, 01:35 PM Jay Pandolfo put he puck across the goal line, between the posts and below the crossbar in the 2003 Eastern Conference Finals and wasn't given credit for a goal against Ottawa. The Devils won the game, which I believe was the 1-0 Game 3 Devils victory, so it wasn't a big deal.
Oh my God I so remember that. It was at CAA and they put it up on the giant screen, and the whole crowd was shocked.
bense27 04-23-2007, 10:11 PM It wasn't a goal. I can't believe some of you still think it was.
but who cares anyways. we won. we are moving on.
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