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Finally we can all get on with our lives....The package they got seems worse to me...Woywitka is no Pitkanen

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Finally we can all get on with our lives....The package they got seems worse to me...Woywitka is no Pitkanen

Ridiculous. Don't tell me the package we offerred is 2.5 mil less than what Phily offered.

And that 1st rounder is going to be a helluva lot lower than ours. LOL...Clarke pulled off a good one...hope Philly beats the hell out of NJ this year...

yea, my oiler fan just let me know..
Ducks gave a better offer.. oh well...

This was the part that was "better for the present"? The extra 3rd-rounder? I wonder if Oil fans will now admit that Lowe just didn't want to do what Comrie wanted and that was the reason for the ransom demand, not some innovative bargaining technique.

The Mighty Ducks = Loosers on and off the Ice!!!

I just don't think Lowe wanted to deal with a Western Conference team to make them better.

The Mighty Ducks = Loosers on and off the Ice!!!

Thanks buddy, keep travelin please....

Well, there, it's over
let's get on with our lives

Geez, you guys are bitter.

We get a player who will be in uniform this year, and is under contract.
We get the extra draft pick (Philly's first is not going to be as high as Anahiem's first was.)

Most importantly, we don't hand a team that we are tied with our first line centerman. The way you guys have been *****ing about this whole thing, you would have though Lowe was working for the Ducks and not the Oilers.

I think the deal was two parts. First off the Oil didn't want Comrie in their conference.

2. I like Wowitka, a hell of a lot more than Perry. The Oilers needed a blue-chip defensive prospect alot more than another forward prospect. Plus from a Oilers cheapness standpoint, Wowitka is already signed(no signning bonus required like Perry)

Deal doesn't make a lot of sense from Philly standpoint with depth down the middle and an aging blueline. Plus Bobby C. still has to get Comrie signed.
But whatever

There is the off chance that Clarke flips the rights to another team, although I have a feeling he and Lowe would have come to a gentleman's agreement to not flip them to a Western Conference team (I hope!)

Geez, you guys are bitter.

We get a player who will be in uniform this year, and is under contract.
We get the extra draft pick (Philly's first is not going to be as high as Anahiem's first was.)

Most importantly, we don't hand a team that we are tied with our first line centerman. The way you guys have been *****ing about this whole thing, you would have though Lowe was working for the Ducks and not the Oilers.

Did Comrie pay the 2.5 mill for this trade to happen? I doubt it. (we will see though) Assuming 2.5 million was not exchanged then you can say that Lowe was in no need of money and that the 2.5 was just for the purose of sticking it to Comrie and that the Ducks were just being jerked around. :teach:

Maybe the Ducks could get that "Havelid/Pahlsson for Hamerlik/Parrish" trade going... :shakehead

There is the off chance that Clarke flips the rights to another team, although I have a feeling he and Lowe would have come to a gentleman's agreement to not flip them to a Western Conference team (I hope!)

I don't think Lowe would care too much if Clarke traded him to the west. Afterall, it's not on paper, so it doesn't count.

Geez, you guys are bitter.

We get a player who will be in uniform this year, and is under contract.
We get the extra draft pick (Philly's first is not going to be as high as Anahiem's first was.)

Most importantly, we don't hand a team that we are tied with our first line centerman. The way you guys have been *****ing about this whole thing, you would have though Lowe was working for the Ducks and not the Oilers.
i thought he was not going to be suited up till next year...??
that's what one of my oiler friends said...

Put it this way.. If Lowe didn't want to do what Comrie wanted... why trade him to a potential team to run at the Cup?? Ducks have absolute NO chance to do it 2 times in a row.... sorry guys but your ducks suck... Guigure just can't do it again. Oilers aren't any better but I would surely pick the Oilers over the Ducks any day. It has has to been that Ducks are in the same Conference and didn't want to deal him where it can hurt the Oilers...... Lowe may be afraid that Comrie will play well for the ducks and prove to Lowe that he deserves the money....

Put it this way.. If Lowe didn't want to do what Comrie wanted... why trade him to a potential team to run at the Cup?? Ducks have absolute NO chance to do it 2 times in a row.... sorry guys but your ducks suck... Guigure just can't do it again. Oilers aren't any better but I would surely pick the Oilers over the Ducks any day. It has has to been that Ducks are in the same Conference and didn't want to deal him where it can hurt the Oilers...... Lowe may be afraid that Comrie will play well for the ducks and prove to Lowe that he deserves the money....


haha
your team's POOR

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Jerky Leclerc

haha
your team's POOR

And your team is named after 3 really bad movies.

Nice show of maturity.

The Mighty Ducks = Loosers on and off the Ice!!!

What happened troll. Wore out your welcome on the Kings board?

I thought all along that the Comrie to pay back the signing bonus was a stall technique. Lowe had second thoughts about dealing Comrie to the Ducks, so he did that BS move. Well, Lowe was a dirty player on the ice, I guess he makes a dirty GM.

Ridiculous. Don't tell me the package we offerred is 2.5 mil less than what Phily offered.

No, but when you factor in that Anaheim gets instantly better with that deal, Edmonton had to do something to catch up.

As it stands now, the Oilers don't have to do anything to maintain the status quo.

There was also a rumour on Edmonton radio a few minutes ago that said there was also a pick going to the Ducks in the original deal. If that's true, then that, combined with the 3rd and the fact that the teams are in different conference, makes it a much better deal for Edmonton.

It looks like Murray just wasn't willing to pony up the goods. Clarke must have wanted him more.

It looks like Murray just wasn't willing to pony up the goods. Clarke must have wanted him more.

Actually, Lowe and Murray agreed to the deal. It was Lowe who backed out of the deal by asking for the additional 2.5 mil dollars from Comrie. I think Lowe is in breach of a verbal contract with the Ducks. Personally, Murray should ask the NHL to do an inquiry and get the Oilers to compensate them for the breach of contract.

There was also a rumour on Edmonton radio a few minutes ago that said there was also a pick going to the Ducks in the original deal. If that's true, then that, combined with the 3rd and the fact that the teams are in different conference, makes it a much better deal for Edmonton.

It looks like Murray just wasn't willing to pony up the goods. Clarke must have wanted him more.

a 3rd round pick in 2005 means he wanted him more???

Actually, Lowe and Murray agreed to the deal. It was Lowe who backed out of the deal by asking for the additional 2.5 mil dollars from Comrie. I think Lowe is in breach of a verbal contract with the Ducks. Personally, Murray should ask the NHL to do an inquiry and get the Oilers to compensate them for the breach of contract.

You head out to the 909 and stock up on tweak or something?
:cry:

Actually, Lowe and Murray agreed to the deal. It was Lowe who backed out of the deal by asking for the additional 2.5 mil dollars from Comrie. I think Lowe is in breach of a verbal contract with the Ducks. Personally, Murray should ask the NHL to do an inquiry and get the Oilers to compensate them for the breach of contract.

How many times does this have to be reiterated, No deal is done until the paperwork is filed. Lowe informed Murray that the deal was conditional, and that he had to get something from the Comrie camp to complete the process. As far as verbal contracts go, they are worth the paper they are written on. If Murray had wanted Comrie that bad, instead of cheaping out with his former offer, he should have antied up a roster player (Lupul, McDonald, Vishnevski ...) instead of an unsigned draft pick (Perry) to make it an equitable deal. Thinking Lowe's hands were tied with Comrie only willing to go to Anaheim was Murray's mistake. C'est la vie!

How many times does this have to be reiterated, No deal is done until the paperwork is filed. Lowe informed Murray that the deal was conditional, and that he had to get something from the Comrie camp to complete the process. As far as verbal contracts go, they are worth the paper they are written on. If Murray had wanted Comrie that bad, instead of cheaping out with his former offer, he should have antied up a roster player (Lupul, McDonald, Vishnevski ...) instead of an unsigned draft pick (Perry) to make it an equitable deal. Thinking Lowe's hands were tied with Comrie only willing to go to Anaheim was Murray's mistake. C'est la vie!
Mcdonald was part of the original deal...

Woywitka is no Pitkanen

And Perry is no Pitkanen either. The deals are comparable. Murray got screwed though, Lowe is a jackass.

Well, Lowe was a dirty player on the ice, I guess he makes a dirty GM.

Absolutely no ccall for that. Lowe was a respected player and remains a respected GM. I understand your bitterness, after all your team could have been better had the original deal gone through, but that's no reason to lay slander at Lowe's feet.

Anyone here complaining that the Anaheim deal was so much better than the Philadelphia deal should read Eric Duhatschek's latest Globe & Mail article.

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20031216.weric_comrie16/BNStory/Sports/

3 reasons the deal was better:
-Geography (Eastern Conference)
-Position (Defense, arguably the Oilers weakest depth)
-Experience (Woywitka ready now/soon, Perry 2-3 yrs away)

Those 3 reasons are obviously worth 2.535 million dollars. :D

Well this sucks. I fail to see how their trade was better, but I guess Lowe didnt want Comrie going to a Western Conference team which would have pissed off the fans in Edmonton and made it harder for them to make the playoffs in the future. I'm pissed off at the whole situatuion/run around, etc. Murray has been burned by 2 verbal agreements now. I'm sure he'll be changing the way he does buisness. BTW, please stop trolling our board Oiler fans. We didnt do jack to you so why come over here and try to badmouth us and call us bitter. If the seats were reversed and Murray pulled this on Lowe you know you would be pretty angry too. At least now the team can focus on games instead of this circus.

Murray has been burned by 2 verbal agreements now. I'm sure he'll be changing the way he does buisness.

He doesn't have to change the way he does business, he just has to change the way he does business with Kevin Lowe.

Actually, Lowe and Murray agreed to the deal. It was Lowe who backed out of the deal by asking for the additional 2.5 mil dollars from Comrie. I think Lowe is in breach of a verbal contract with the Ducks. Personally, Murray should ask the NHL to do an inquiry and get the Oilers to compensate them for the breach of contract.

That's pretty funny. Lowe made arrangements to deal the player to Anaheim and told Murray that he needed to speak to the player before a deal could be completed . He spoke to Comrie and said "I'm giving you what you want so now you have to give me something", Comrie said no thanks and the deal was dead. The deal was never filed with the NHL, so I don't know who you can say it was "breach of contract". Read Law books much?

And make no mistake, Philly was one of the teams that Comrie wanted to go to (it's not like Anaheim is the only team he would play for). Rich Winter sent Bobby Clarke a tape of Comrie before the season began.

And I have to laugh at those of you who say that the Anaheim deal was better than the Philly one. Woywitka > Perry, simple as that. The Oil have a weakness on D and have a plethora of forward prospects, making the Philly deal all that more attractive.

That's pretty funny. Lowe made arrangements to deal the player to Anaheim and told Murray that he needed to speak to the player before a deal could be completed . He spoke to Comrie and said "I'm giving you what you want so now you have to give me something", Comrie said no thanks and the deal was dead. The deal was never filed with the NHL, so I don't know who you can say it was "breach of contract". Read Law books much?

And make no mistake, Philly was one of the teams that Comrie wanted to go to (it's not like Anaheim is the only team he would play for). Rich Winter sent Bobby Clarke a tape of Comrie before the season began.

And I have to laugh at those of you who say that the Anaheim deal was better than the Philly one. Woywitka > Perry, simple as that. The Oil have a weakness on D and have a plethora of forward prospects, making the Philly deal all that more attractive.

Except that Perry is leading the OHL in scoring...

And if Comrie wanted to be a Flyer so badly, why hasn't he signed a contract with them yet? When he was traded to Anaheim (because he was no matter what you Kevin "*******" Lowe loyalist's have to say about it...Murray knows it...Winter knows it...Lowe knows it...and Comrie knows it...) Murray & Winter worked out deal nearly immediately...Clarke hasn't signed him yet...

Kevin Lowe got ***** in return...and he didn't screw Comrie...he screwed Bryan Murray...

No wonder Comrie wanted out of Edmonton, especially with such a ******* of a GM.

Except that Perry is leading the OHL in scoring...


And?

Woywitka won the top defenseman award in the WHL last season. What's your point? How many people need to say that the Oil are weak on defensive depth and needed a defenseman more than a forward?

Boy, y'all are pretty upset that Comrie isn't a Duck. :joker:

How many people need to say that the Oil are weak on defensive depth and needed a defenseman more than a forward?

Enough to make you convince yourselves I suppose.

Considering how bad y'all got screwed by Kariya, I gotta say, Duck fans have handled this whole situation with uncommon grace.

Boy, y'all are pretty upset that Comrie isn't a Duck. :joker:

Well...when 2 GMs agree to a deal...and when 1 GM basically signs the hold out to a contract...and then out of the blue...GM #2 calls and says...I can't do the deal...b/c I need the hold out to pay me $2.5 million of the money he's earned playing in the 3 seasons hes been with us...wouldn't you be upset?

Especially if he traded him to another team for the same supposedly crappy deal without the money?

We're not upset because we didn't get him...we're upset because we HAD him and he was taken from us by a p.o.s like Lowe who I think has become the least professional GM this side of Neil Smith....

Basically it came down to Lowe using Murray and the Ducks. He agreed to trade Comrie to Anaheim so Murray would negotiate with Winters and set the price Comrie was willing to take on his contract. Then Lowe came up with 2.5 mil dollars to kill the deal so he can negotiate with other teams. Well now teams like Phily knew Comrie was willing to take 1.6 per year, they came in with offers. It sucks to say this but Anaheim got used like a two dollar *****.

And?

Woywitka won the top defenseman award in the WHL last season. What's your point? How many people need to say that the Oil are weak on defensive depth and needed a defenseman more than a forward?

Boy, y'all are pretty upset that Comrie isn't a Duck. :joker:

yeah you guys wanted a defensemen all along thats why the whole time you guys were asking for Lupul, Chistov, and McDonald.

Absolutely no ccall for that. Lowe was a respected player and remains a respected GM. I understand your bitterness, after all your team could have been better had the original deal gone through, but that's no reason to lay slander at Lowe's feet.



Please. Lowe was a respected player, but let's not mince words. He used nasty stickwork quite a bit.

I think it was a BS move to ask Comrie to repay his signing bonus. I think he had second thoughts about the deal and used that excuse to back out of the deal.

I don't need a lecture from you about this kind of thing.

Well...when 2 GMs agree to a deal...and when 1 GM basically signs the hold out to a contract...and then out of the blue...GM #2 calls and says...I can't do the deal...b/c I need the hold out to pay me $2.5 million of the money he's earned playing in the 3 seasons hes been with us...wouldn't you be upset?

There's an excellent reply to this that's already been posted:

Lowe informed Murray that the deal was conditional, and that he had to get something from the Comrie camp to complete the process.

Murray even said this himself. He knew there was a condition, and that it could affect the deal. No deal between these two teams was ever done.

it was until lowe threw in the 2.5 mill thing...oh well,we'lll just move on and get other player or players BM thinks may help

What I want to see is Comrie's take. He hasn't been reached for comment, nor has Rich Winter. If he goes out and says "I do not want to play for the Philadelphia Flyers", he could demand a trade from Philly. I heard on ESPN someone said it's possible Comrie will be dealt again. If Clarke trades him to Anaheim for something like Perry and a 1st, an upgrade pick and a good young forward, then Lowe gets a complete shaft. An early second rounder, and early fourth rounder(pretty much on both), and Jeff Woywitka to see Comrie go to Anaheim for everthing Murray wanted to give up and he got no money. Man would he look like an idiot there, though it is unlikely.

I guess if getting him from Philly becomes out of the question, Murray can go and get someone else.

could there be a possibility that:
A: Philly wanted Comrie to then Trade with the Ducks?
B: Philly needs a young person
C: Philly is looking for trade bait with other teams

If Clarke trades him to Anaheim for something like Perry and a 1st, an upgrade pick and a good young forward, then Lowe gets a complete shaft. An early second rounder, and early fourth rounder(pretty much on both), and Jeff Woywitka to see Comrie go to Anaheim for everthing Murray wanted to give up and he got no money. Man would he look like an idiot there, though it is unlikely.

I guess if getting him from Philly becomes out of the question, Murray can go and get someone else.
Philly is a "win-now" team.. why would they turn around and trade Comrie to Anaheim for Perry and picks? They already have a number of young talented forwards in their system..

Some notes: Lowe himself confirmed that no money came from Comrie to make this happen. Clarke says he's intent on signing Comrie. I think it would be hilarious if Comrie said there's no way in hell he's going to sign with Clarke. He didn't like Lowe, he's not going to feel any better about Booby.

There isn't going to be any lawsuit. What Lowe did was perfectly legal, just crappy in terms of ethics, and that probably impacted what he could get for Comrie. Philly's offer was certainly better than what Anaheim offered, especially considering what it would have taken to sign Perry. In any event, Lowe still got taken, and I'm happy about that.

But hooray, it's over with already! Looking forward to seeing what Murray does about our blueline.

Oh, incidentally, Bob Miller (on the Kings broadcast) just talked about the possibility of Clarke flipping Comrie to the Yotes for Sean Burke. Comrie has some sort of connection with Gretzky. Oiler fans should blame Janet if it happens.

I'm surprised Oiler fans have yet to admit that Kevin Lowe used the ducks to strengthen his bargaining power. There is no denying that because he did,now I still think there is a slight chance he could be flipped here although I doubt we have much of interest for the flyers.

As for Burke that would be **** on the yotes part getting a solid young player for a guy who has been average thus far.

I don't like what Lowe did but it got him the player he wanted but who knows I do know that the ducks wasted alot of time because of the Oilers.

Murray even said this himself. He knew there was a condition, and that it could affect the deal. No deal between these two teams was ever done.
1.Murray knew that Lowe was going to talk to Comrie,its safe to assume that BM may have thought it was to inform him a deal was done.

2.BM had every right to know weather or not Lowe would ask for the money.

the bottom line is that Lowe used the ducks as a pawn and hopefully it backfires. :)

ESPN article by Jim Kelley.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=kelley_jim&id=1688000

ESPN article by Jim Kelley.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=kelley_jim&id=1688000

I imagine even Comrie's not happy. Clarke is worse than Lowe.

ESPN article by Jim Kelley.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=kelley_jim&id=1688000

Sickening.

Honestly, I think Anaheim should take this up with the NHL.

There's nothing to take up. Lowe didn't break any rules, he just behaved unprofessionally.

Says Murray (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ducks17dec17,1,7818261.story?coll=la-headlines-sports):

"There is probably lots to be said, but I'll just keep it to myself," Murray said.

Murray, though, did elaborate on his disappointment.

"When you ask a general manager for something and it is agreed on, then usually you have a deal," Murray said.

" … I said [to Lowe], 'I understand very clearly that until a conference call takes place, there is no trade.'

" … [But] when I talk to a general manager and agree to a deal, it's a deal.

"When you make a deal, you call 10, 12, 14 teams to try to get the best offer. You may not call the original general manager back for four or five days. When you call back and say, 'We got a deal,' then I assume you have done your search, this is what you like the best, then you make the deal…. And, uh, that didn't happen."

Lowe merely revealed himself as untrustworthy, not criminal.

edit: the conference call he's referring to is with league officials, not the grassy knollish "we gotta talk to Comrie first" caveat from Lowe.

I'm happy. Keep the prospects or at least get bigger guys...

"My scouts, to a man, are all very happy we didn't make the trade," Murray said. "They think Corey Perry is a terrific prospect and I do too. And having that first-round pick, they like that.

Me too.

"My concern at this moment is to make this team better as quickly as I can?. I'm not angry. I'm a little disappointed and frustrated."

I don't understand Murray on this one. How could he think that Comrie, a player who has not played for a long time could help the Ducks short term? He would have to practice a week or two before you could even think about playing him and it probably would take him another 4-6 weeks to get in good shape. If you rely on him - season gone.

Where are those quotes from?

Where are those quotes from?
http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ducks/la-sp-nhlcol17dec17,1,7428817.column?coll=la-headlines-sports-nhl-ducks

Last two paragraphs.

Deal doesn't make a lot of sense from Philly standpoint with depth down the middle and an aging blueline. Plus Bobby C. still has to get Comrie signed.
But whatever

The "aging blueline"

Desjardins - 34
Ragnarsson - 32
Johnsson - 27
Pitkanen - 20
Vandermeer - 23
Seidenberg - 22

Flyers have just as much depth on defense as they did down the middle.

this is too much...
well at least i was 50% right.. looks like comrie might be dealt to phoenix now... ??
oh well..
at least we kept perry, unless he is trade bait for another team... let's see how the 2nd half goes...

this is too much...
well at least i was 50% right.. looks like comrie might be dealt to phoenix now... ??


Comrie was traded for, just to be dealt again. He'll be a Flyer.

I'd tell you guys to cry about it, but you have already started.

A conditional deal, means that conditions have to be met, they weren't. I don't understand the big complaint. It's not like it took a week, and Murray didn't know, and at the last second Comrie was traded to Philly, with Murray still thinking they had a deal.

Murray found out almost right away, and he had every opportunity to make a counter offer. He never did.

Awfully defensive.

Comrie was traded for, just to be dealt again. He'll be a Flyer.
is Comrie even going to play this year? someone that's an oiler fan said that he won't...

I think we should try to sign Comrie and make Philly have to match it.. if they want to keep him.. it's time we do the screwing.. we have to offer a little bit more.. but I think it would be worth it..

is Comrie even going to play this year? someone that's an oiler fan said that he won't...


Yes, he'll be playing this year.

Clarke comments from yesterday.
http://www.philadelphiaflyers.com/pressbox/archive/1344.asp

Question: Is there a timetable on talking with Comrie about playing?

Clarke: “No. We want to do it as quickly as we can, as quick as it is fair for both sides. From our standpoint we want him quickly, we want him in our lineup because he can really help us. But we also didn’t take anyone off our club. So it’s not like we are going to be a bad club if it takes a little longer than what we’ve planned. We think he’s really going to help us. We wouldn’t have made the deal if we didn’t think he was going to help us. We gave up a hell of a young prospect to get him.”

Question: Do you have any concerns about Comrie’s inactivity?

Clarke: “I think there’s always a concern when a player holds out of how long it takes for him to get back up to speed. But it’s not even Christmas yet. We have 50 games to go. He has enough time.”

I think we should try to sign Comrie and make Philly have to match it.. if they want to keep him.. it's time we do the screwing.. we have to offer a little bit more.. but I think it would be worth it..

Sign him to a nice contract and we'll match it, or you you sign him to an exaggerated amount of money, we'll let you have him and take a boatload of #1 picks from you.

Sign him to a nice contract and we'll match it, or you you sign him to an exaggerated amount of money, we'll let you have him and take a boatload of #1 picks from you.


yeah and then good luck trading him to Phoenix..

I think we should try to sign Comrie and make Philly have to match it.. if they want to keep him.. it's time we do the screwing.. we have to offer a little bit more.. but I think it would be worth it..

Good idea. Instead of losing Perry and a 1st, we lose 5 first round picks. Genius.

yeah and then good luck trading him to Phoenix..

:dunno: not even sure how to respond to that one :cry:

Yes, he'll be playing this year.

Clarke comments from yesterday.
http://www.philadelphiaflyers.com/pressbox/archive/1344.asp

thanks for the link.. this will shut my friend up.. lol

Good idea. Instead of losing Perry and a 1st, we lose 5 first round picks. Genius.

offer 2.1 for 3 years.. we give up a first and a second right?

not 5 five first rounders.. :dunno:

offer 2.1 for 3 years.. we give up a first and a second right?

not 5 five first rounders.. :dunno:

Not exactly sure on the compensation, but I do know that the Flyers would match that contract. It would me little more than they'd like, but it's not outrageous by any means.

To get the Flyers to not match the offer, it would have to be something out of line, which would get the Flyers 4 or 5 #1 picks.

offer 2.1 for 3 years.. we give up a first and a second right?

not 5 five first rounders.. :dunno:

As far as I know, signing an restricted free agent from another team means losing 5 first round picks to the RFA's original team. That's why it usually doesn't happen!

As far as I know, signing an restricted free agent from another team means losing 5 first round picks to the RFA's original team. That's why it usually doesn't happen!


$727,502 or below -- No compensation
$727,502 - $1,000,315 -- Third-round choice
$1,000,315 - $1,182,191 -- Second-round choice
$1,182,191 - $1,455,005 -- First-round choice
$1,455,005 - $1,818,754 -- First and third-round choices
$1,818,754 - $2,182,505 -- First and second-round choices
$2,182,505 - $2,546,256 -- Two first-round choices
$2,546,256 - $3,091,882 -- Two first-round and one second-round choice
Over $3,091,882 -- Three first-round choices
Each additional $1,818,754 -- One additional first-round choice to a maximum of five

I've always considered this board way above any as far as knowledge on this stuff.. I found this on another website.. does it seem correct..

I honestly just don't want to see Comrie in Phoenix..

$727,502 or below -- No compensation
$727,502 - $1,000,315 -- Third-round choice
$1,000,315 - $1,182,191 -- Second-round choice
$1,182,191 - $1,455,005 -- First-round choice
$1,455,005 - $1,818,754 -- First and third-round choices
$1,818,754 - $2,182,505 -- First and second-round choices
$2,182,505 - $2,546,256 -- Two first-round choices
$2,546,256 - $3,091,882 -- Two first-round and one second-round choice
Over $3,091,882 -- Three first-round choices
Each additional $1,818,754 -- One additional first-round choice to a maximum of five

I've always considered this board way above any as far as knowledge on this stuff.. I found this on another website.. does it seem correct..

I honestly just don't want to see Comrie in Phoenix..


Yes that compensation is correct.

Don't worry Comrie isn't going to Phoenix. Flyers want no parts of Burke.

$727,502 or below -- No compensation
$727,502 - $1,000,315 -- Third-round choice
$1,000,315 - $1,182,191 -- Second-round choice
$1,182,191 - $1,455,005 -- First-round choice
$1,455,005 - $1,818,754 -- First and third-round choices
$1,818,754 - $2,182,505 -- First and second-round choices
$2,182,505 - $2,546,256 -- Two first-round choices
$2,546,256 - $3,091,882 -- Two first-round and one second-round choice
Over $3,091,882 -- Three first-round choices
Each additional $1,818,754 -- One additional first-round choice to a maximum of five

I've always considered this board way above any as far as knowledge on this stuff.. I found this on another website.. does it seem correct..

I honestly just don't want to see Comrie in Phoenix..
Thanks for the info. I didn't know that. Weird numbers...

So it would be two or more first round picks. Something to think about, but I'd rather keep those.

I agree giving up our future wouldn't be a wise move.. but Murray does need to do something..

I'd tell you guys to cry about it, but you have already started.

A conditional deal, means that conditions have to be met, they weren't. I don't understand the big complaint. It's not like it took a week, and Murray didn't know, and at the last second Comrie was traded to Philly, with Murray still thinking they had a deal.

Murray found out almost right away, and he had every opportunity to make a counter offer. He never did.
Scroll up and read what Bryan Murray said....a deal was agreed upon.

How would you like it if we offered Fedorov to the Oilers for a prospect and a pick and we had agreed to a deal, then we go to Fedorov and demand 10 million dollars for him to leave.

would people be crying fowl over that or because its not the Oilers not care?

The "aging blueline"

Desjardins - 34
Ragnarsson - 32
Johnsson - 27
Pitkanen - 20
Vandermeer - 23
Seidenberg - 22

Flyers have just as much depth on defense as they did down the middle.

The aging defence comment was more in reference to Desjardins(34), Weinrich(36) and Therien(32). Desjardins has recently rebounded from a poor season. Weinrich is aging. Therien is a popular target judging from some comments on the Flyers board. Maybe Ragnarsson as well, but I'm not completely up to date on his situation.

I admit my comment was a bit un-researched (I'm surprised by the depth that the Flyers do have in blueline prospects), but the other side of the coin still applies....is Comrie supposed to replace Lapointe on the 4th line?

I admit my comment was a bit un-researched (I'm surprised by the depth that the Flyers do have in blueline prospects), but the other side of the coin still applies....is Comrie supposed to replace Lapointe on the 4th line?


Comrie will likely play on the 2nd line.

My guess as to probable line combos once Comrie is up to speed.

Recchi - Roenick - Amonte
LeClair - Comrie - Williams
Gagne - Primeau - Kapanen
Brashear - Handzus - Somik

** LeClair, Gagne, and Brashear may all move around.

All 4 centers will get playing time. We play 4 lines consistantly. Roenick & Comrie will get the PP time. Primeau & Handzus will get PK time.

Primeau is a UFA at seasons end.

Another option that I could see happening in Feb or Mar is Primeau is resigned, and then Handzus is moved as part of a package to pick up a top flight defenseman.

Handzus +
for
Gonchar

Hold on guys. You clearly stated before comrie was dealt that if you were going to have to give up a roster player then you didn't want comrie. Obviously that is not good enough, and now you're whining that you didn't get him? Perry couldn't crack the WJ team, wheras Woywitka has established his presence, and with the draft being deep next year, the difference between 15th and 25th is not that big a deal, espescially if lowe just wanted the extra first rounder to move up in the draft.

Point being, you didn't want him enough to give up a roster player, and philly did. Suck it up and realize this is not about Lowe trying to beat comrie down (although if that is your argument, he did in a way, sending him to a team with 4 established centres)

If memory serves me, didn't Woywitka get cut early in his first WJC camp? He made the team last year though.

If memory serves me, didn't Woywitka get cut early in his first WJC camp? He made the team last year though.
and isn't he still in juniors and not playing with philly?
so technically philly didn't give up a roster spot either...

and isn't he still in juniors and not playing with philly?
so technically philly didn't give up a roster spot either...

he's so far along that the oilers could call him up in a month, where perry is not even close

he's so far along that the oilers could call him up in a month, where perry is not even close
well i agree with you there, but technically philly didn't give up a roster spot.. your arguement was that the ducks didn't want to give up a roster spot.
he is going to report to oilers ahl affiliate.. probably won't play till mid-next year or they might just leave him there for the next season..
both have proven that they can play... imo

Hold on guys. You clearly stated before comrie was dealt that if you were going to have to give up a roster player then you didn't want comrie. Obviously that is not good enough, and now you're whining that you didn't get him? Perry couldn't crack the WJ team, wheras Woywitka has established his presence, and with the draft being deep next year, the difference between 15th and 25th is not that big a deal, espescially if lowe just wanted the extra first rounder to move up in the draft.

Point being, you didn't want him enough to give up a roster player, and philly did. Suck it up and realize this is not about Lowe trying to beat comrie down (although if that is your argument, he did in a way, sending him to a team with 4 established centres)

Like Soya said Philly technically didnt give up a roster spot, just more of an NHL ready prospect where Perry will take longer to crack an NHL lineup. Were not whining that we didnt get him, if Philly had made a better deal which is arguable (and both sides have points with Woywitka being more NHL ready but the Ducks draft pick being about 10 spots higher resulting in a better prospect) then I wouldnt be complaining much but what were pissed at is that both GMs have the deal in place but Lowe pulls one over and decides to ask for the 2.535 million dollar price for Comrie to leave. We had him and the deal was done but then Lowe pulled that. Murray is pissed and he should be. Frankly, you and everyone else can tell us that we should suck it up and what Lowe did was smart, but if you were in our position you'd be pretty pissed at the whole situation also.

It's a shame if GM's of financially insolvent teams feel they need to resort to these tactics to compete in the NHL.

I still like cheese. Even though I still can't tell the difference between Jack and mozzarella.

It's a shame if GM's of financially insolvent teams feel they need to resort to these tactics to compete in the NHL.
:lol:
by any chance did you copy and paste that?? ;)

:lol:
by any chance did you copy and paste that?? ;)

Yes, I posted the same thing in the NHL forum.

Yes, I posted the same thing in the NHL forum.
i know i saw it... too funny.. hey at least it prevents you from re-typing it all over again...

yea, my oiler fan just let me know..
Ducks gave a better offer.. oh well...

I disagree i think the deals were a wash but comrie in the east is better for the oil than on ANA

I disagree i think the deals were a wash but comrie in the east is better for the oil than on ANA

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking. Value-wise it's quite even, but it's better suited for the Oil. Their better option, but it's not worth $2.5 million more than Anaheim's deal.

As for those saying Comrie will be a Flyer, have you guys considered maybe Comrie doesn't want to be a Flyer? :dunno:

It's in the East, his icetime might fall, his production will fall, he left because of MacT and Lowe and now is in a worse situation with Hitchcock and Clarkey. He's also not signed right now, and there does not seem to be much progress. Clarkey says he's trying hard to sign him, but you have to factor in if he wants to play in Philly. He wanted to go to Anaheim(or the Pacific division for that matter), so who's to say he won't demand to be traded out of Philly?

If he does not want to play there, Lowe has unleashed a beast out there. Lowe had nothing to lose in Comrie, but if Comrie doesn't play for Philly, Clarkey loses quite a bit. So should he demand to be traded, it may give him nearly all control in it. Clarkey wouldn't want to give up that much to have him sit out. Though Comrie has commented he is excited about playing in Philly, he was supposedly the guy who wanted to just play in Edmonton, and not worry about anything else(money, cups, etc.). Now that's over with. Though it seems more likely he will play for Philly, Clarkey just has to offend him with an offer somehow and he'll want out pretty fast.

But, as it gets less likely he'll ever don the Duck uniform, I guess Murray should go out an acquire some help elsewhere. Hopefully someone will feel like handing the Ducks a good player.

Comrie would have to be one cantankerous b@stard to refuse to sign with a team at this point. He's out of the place he hated, he's on a team with an actual shot to win it all this year, and they can afford to ease him into the lineup since they're so stacked.

Comrie would have to be one cantankerous b@stard to refuse to sign with a team at this point. He's out of the place he hated, he's on a team with an actual shot to win it all this year, and they can afford to ease him into the lineup since they're so stacked.

I think Oil fans would comment that he is indeed one "cantankerous b@stard".

He probably will sign, though.

Then again, look at Fedorov. More money to be 1st line center on a very stacked team, with the NHL's best defense, and he left because he didn't like the his situation(being behind Stevie Y). You never know with this type of thing.

Really, I think BM should quit with the verbal agreements. First Kariya and now this. Next time when making a deal, he should make the other GM put it in writing first. Well, after the first verbal agreement backfired, we ended up with a better player for a lesser price. Maybe it will happen again, with us getting a better player than Comrie. Maybe Lou gives us Elias to go with Sykora again for Perry and something else. Why can't Murray go out and completely steal a trade?

Like Soya said Philly technically didnt give up a roster spot, just more of an NHL ready prospect where Perry will take longer to crack an NHL lineup. Were not whining that we didnt get him, if Philly had made a better deal which is arguable (and both sides have points with Woywitka being more NHL ready but the Ducks draft pick being about 10 spots higher resulting in a better prospect) then I wouldnt be complaining much but what were pissed at is that both GMs have the deal in place but Lowe pulls one over and decides to ask for the 2.535 million dollar price for Comrie to leave. We had him and the deal was done but then Lowe pulled that. Murray is pissed and he should be. Frankly, you and everyone else can tell us that we should suck it up and what Lowe did was smart, but if you were in our position you'd be pretty pissed at the whole situation also.

I don't think Lowe pulled this out at the last minute. I believe Lowe had an agreement with the ducks only to get the gms in the east to bite, and see that for only a little more comrie could be had, and it worked. Clarke totally reversed his opinion on comrie once he realized he didn't have to give up handzus for him. I'm one of those who thinks it was a brilliant move, but if you don't I can see how it looks for fans of outside teams, and how this can make lowe seem like a devilish gm who likes to screw with the minds of players, but fact is, if the return was the same from an eastern team vs a western team (and i still think philly offer was better), you always trade him to the other conference.

We aren't pissed about not getting Comrie,we're pissed Lowe agreed to a deal and made a stipulation that A)Bryan Murray had no idea about and B)Knew Comrie wouldn't pay up the money.

Lowe never intended on trading Comrie to the ducks just to draw up more interest and specifically an eastern conference team but nobody can convince me that our pick(which would be 10 spots higher probley) and a good defensemen and a 3rd round pick is far and away a better then our offer plus the 2.5 million.

the bottom line here is the Ducks were used and Lowe backed out of a verbal agreement Bryan Murray has spilled the beans about it unless he's lying.

We aren't pissed about not getting Comrie,we're pissed Lowe agreed to a deal and made a stipulation that A)Bryan Murray had no idea about and B)Knew Comrie wouldn't pay up the money.

Lowe never intended on trading Comrie to the ducks just to draw up more interest and specifically an eastern conference team but nobody can convince me that our pick(which would be 10 spots higher probley) and a good defensemen and a 3rd round pick is far and away a better then our offer plus the 2.5 million.

the bottom line here is the Ducks were used and Lowe backed out of a verbal agreement Bryan Murray has spilled the beans about it unless he's lying.

Actually, part of the deal was that Lowe would get to say one last thing to comrie, so technically, the deal was not done until he talked to comrie, aka when he asked comrie for the money. So basically, Lowe never backed out of anything; every single report I heard stated that the last part of the deal was that Lowe could have a final word with pampers, but everyone assumed it was a minor thing, when in fact it was a major sticking part of the deal. You can't back out of a deal that hasn't yet been completed, and until Lowe talked to Comrie that last time, this dead was not completed.

I can't wait to hear all the Satan to the Ducks rumors that start now!

I can't wait to hear all the Satan to the Ducks rumors that start now!

Where have you been? They've already started.

and with the draft being deep next year


It's really not though :teach:

It's really not though :teach:

Outside the first round, maybe not. But the first is supposed to have incredible talent - better than last year.

Lowe never intended on trading Comrie to the ducks just to draw up more interest and specifically an eastern conference team but nobody can convince me that our pick(which would be 10 spots higher probley) and a good defensemen and a 3rd round pick is far and away a better then our offer plus the 2.5 million.

I don't think this is true at all. If Lowe didn't intend on giving the Ducks a chance at Comrie, why did he go back to Murray after to received the Philly offer? He let Murray top it, but Murray didn't want to. Comrie could have easily ended up a Duck, but Murray didn't want him badly enough to give up what the Oilers wanted.

Outside the first round, maybe not. But the first is supposed to have incredible talent - better than last year.

Can you provide a link where they say that the talent in the first round of this years draft will be superior to last year? I just don't see it- the overall talent that went in the 1st round last year was unheard of...guys like Getzlaf, Parise, etc would have been high lottery picks in previous years...from what I understand this year's draft is pretty top heavy with Ovechkin, the other Russian and your favorite D-man being the only guys who would have been lottery picks last year.

Can you provide a link where they say that the talent in the first round of this years draft will be superior to last year? I just don't see it- the overall talent that went in the 1st round last year was unheard of...guys like Getzlaf, Parise, etc would have been high lottery picks in previous years


From what I've read the top end talent this year is better than last year. The top 6-8 this year are considered better than last year.

What made last years draft so special was the depth. Very good players available still available after you got past the top 8-10.

From what I've read the top end talent this year is better than last year. The top 6-8 this year are considered better than last year.

What made last years draft so special was the depth. Very good players available still available after you got past the top 8-10.

Agreed...this year's draft is top heavy...Hence pick position will be at a premium. :teach:

Agreed...this year's draft is top heavy...Hence pick position will be at a premium. :teach:

All I know is I want D-Man Cam Barker from medicine hat. I think he's expected to go in the top 5 though......if we traded up for someone that would be who i would want us to trade up for.

All I know is I want D-Man Cam Barker from medicine hat. I think he's expected to go in the top 5 though......if we traded up for someone that would be who i would want us to trade up for.

Agreement on both counts

Actually, part of the deal was that Lowe would get to say one last thing to comrie, so technically, the deal was not done until he talked to comrie, aka when he asked comrie for the money. So basically, Lowe never backed out of anything; every single report I heard stated that the last part of the deal was that Lowe could have a final word with pampers, but everyone assumed it was a minor thing, when in fact it was a major sticking part of the deal. You can't back out of a deal that hasn't yet been completed, and until Lowe talked to Comrie that last time, this dead was not completed.
Once again read every Bryan Murray quote about the situation...it tells you everything you need to know.

Where have you been? They've already started.


Have the Satan rumors started already? I've heard he's on the block, I never heard that Anaheim was interested. I know Anaheim is looking at Viktor Kozlov, Ollie Jokinen, and Kristian Huselus (sp?) in Florida.

Have the Satan rumors started already? I've heard he's on the block, I never heard that Anaheim was interested. I know Anaheim is looking at Viktor Kozlov, Ollie Jokinen, and Kristian Huselus (sp?) in Florida.

Jokinen would be fantastic. I understand Detroit was interested in him as well.

I'm not sure I'd be interested in Pumpkinhead. He needs to have a great season this year to convince me. Which I'm sure is high on the list of priorities for him. Convincing me I mean.

Jokinen would be fantastic. I understand Detroit was interested in him as well.

Maybe we could make it an annual event, pilfering top talent from the Panthers. Last year, Ozolinsh, this year Jokinen or Huselius. Maybe next year Bouwmeister.

Seriously, Jokinen would be a good addition. Didn't hear he was on the trading block though.

Maybe we could make it an annual event, pilfering top talent from the Panthers. Last year, Ozolinsh, this year Jokinen or Huselius. Maybe next year Bouwmeister.

Seriously, Jokinen would be a good addition. Didn't hear he was on the trading block though.

He's not...Murray asked about those 3...and only Huselius was available...

huselius is avaible but only for a good price..meaning dudley is gonna want something real good for him..

We'll have to pay to upgrade the roster anyway. Murray's going to have give something up eventually.

huselius is avaible but only for a good price..meaning dudley is gonna want something real good for him..

I dont really want Huselius on the Ducks I dont think he is the answer. We need a North American gritty goal scorer.

He's not...Murray asked about those 3...and only Huselius was available...

I think Kozlov would be available. He'd be a decent addition.

One player I'd really like to get would be Patrik Elias. I doubt we could ever get this guy, but he'd be a great addition. Him and Sykora on a line together again would be awesome. Fellow Czech Prospal would likely center that line, and it'd be pretty dangerous. But, like I said, chances are that will never happen. Hopefully he runs over Lamorello's cat or something and provokes him to trade Elias to Anaheim.

I dont really want Huselius on the Ducks I dont think he is the answer. We need a North American gritty goal scorer.
Those tend not to come up for grabs too often. The decent ones, anyway. Not Brad freaking Isbister.

One player I'd really like to get would be Patrik Elias.

While were taking players from New Jersey we should sign Scott Niedermayer as a UFA this summer. He already has won a couple stanley cups so I think he would like the opportunity to be on the same team as his brother now.

TSN interviewed Murray during the second intermission last night.

He said he was disappointed the Comrie trade didn't go through. He said Lowe said they had a trade. And Lowe said it was a done deal 3 times.

He says he's going to keep looking for bigger bodies and may yet add 1 more person. Also says that that could change depending on the return for Leclerc and Niedermayer.


Re: Scott Niedermayer
He's having a Norris type season this year. Only way we can grab him is after the season as a UFA.

While were taking players from New Jersey we should sign Scott Niedermayer as a UFA this summer. He already has won a couple stanley cups so I think he would like the opportunity to be on the same team as his brother now.

Yeah. He'd be one I'd love to add as well. But, there's no chance we could get him before he's UFA, unless somehow NJ isn't in playoff contention, and even then it'd be tricky. Maybe he could demand a trade to Anaheim :dunno:

TSN interviewed Murray during the second intermission last night.

He said he was disappointed the Comrie trade didn't go through. He said Lowe said they had a trade. And Lowe said it was a done deal 3 times.

He says he's going to keep looking for bigger bodies and may yet add 1 more person. Also says that that could change depending on the return for Leclerc and Niedermayer.


Re: Scott Niedermayer
He's having a Norris type season this year. Only way we can grab him is after the season as a UFA.

Are we sure he is a UFA? I have heard conflicting reports...if he is he is exactly the type of player we need...

Are we sure he is a UFA? I have heard conflicting reports...if he is he is exactly the type of player we need...

From what I have heard he will be a UFA...He would seem to be at the right age for unrestricted free agency since he is older than his brother and Rob turns 29 this month.

Because his 31st birthday falls after the July 1 deadline, Scott Niedermayer's free-agent classification will be restricted rather than unrestricted. That allows the Devils to match any outside offers. Niedermayer's situation could be impacted by the anticipated lockout after the collective bargaining agreement expires on Sept. 15, 2004.

Looks like we'll have to see if the new CBA helps us out..I'm sure his agent will advise him to wait on signing a long term deal.

Because his 31st birthday falls after the July 1 deadline, Scott Niedermayer's free-agent classification will be restricted rather than unrestricted. That allows the Devils to match any outside offers. Niedermayer's situation could be impacted by the anticipated lockout after the collective bargaining agreement expires on Sept. 15, 2004.



:dunno:
"Could this be Scott Niedermayer's last year in New Jersey, The Newark Star-Ledger is hinting it could because the team has yet to extend the contract of the veteran defenseman, who becomes an unrestricted free agent in July. Niedermayer isn't sure what will happen considering the potential lockout next year, but teammate Scott Gomez says the situation could end being similar to the one the Yankees faced with Andy Pettitte."