Randall Graves* 03-29-2007, 10:27 PM That we seem to win more games with Parros in the lineup? Not that he is the reason we are winning, but I much rather see him(or Thornton) on the 4th line than Ryan Shannon. I hate when Carlyle tries to dress a more 'skilled' lineup vs teams without tough guys. I say why not play to your reputation of that being a tough team with skill? It's not like Shannon has so much skill that it really makes us better.
TheJoeMan 03-29-2007, 11:24 PM These last two games with Marchant centering Georgie have been the best two he's played in my opinion. He had a couple of chances tonight and didn't even have to drop the gloves. If he stays playing like this I don't see why he shouldn't play the rest of the way.
Not to be a Parros killjoy but what if Shannon was on that line with Marchant? Might he have buried those chances?
SamitheGreat 03-29-2007, 11:41 PM Not to be a Parros killjoy but what if Shannon was on that line with Marchant? Might he have buried those chances?
I think Shannon forgets how to bury chances the second he hits NHL ice. Not that I have something against the guy, but he isn't exactly proving that he deserves that time over Parros or that he is a much better finisher. I remember saying the same thing about Andy Mac a couple of years ago though so hopefully Shannon proves me wrong in my assessment.
Randall Graves* 03-30-2007, 01:43 AM Not to be a Parros killjoy but what if Shannon was on that line with Marchant? Might he have buried those chances?
Shannon has no shot whatsoever, atleast he hasn't shown one, and he lacks the physical toughness Parros/May/Thornton bring, so what we gain there we lose on battles on the boards..notice that line was pretty good at mucking? it wouldn't be with Shannon.
TeMoZ 03-30-2007, 02:30 AM I really liked the defensive changes Carlyle used for a small part of the game. I think they were.
OD-Nieds
Husky-Prongs
Beauch-Crazy Legs
having 3 really good pairings, imo, is better than 2 great pairings and 1 bad pairing.
Spankatola Jamnuts 03-30-2007, 03:38 AM 19-9-3 with Parros, 27-11-9 without.
bleuer 03-30-2007, 03:53 AM I really liked the defensive changes Carlyle used for a small part of the game. I think they were.
OD-Nieds
Husky-Prongs
Beauch-Crazy Legs
having 3 really good pairings, imo, is better than 2 great pairings and 1 bad pairing.
I missed that one, who is crazy legs? DiPenta? How did he deserve this name :D
stalbert1 03-30-2007, 08:20 AM 19-9-3 with Parros, 27-11-9 without.
This team would likely be 19-9-3 with Gordie Howe dressed:sarcasm: .
Parros will not likely play once the real season starts (playoffs) and if we cant find some secondary scoring to chip in, then we will be in trouble.
Marchant, May and Parros is not going to make us forget the Marchant Lupul and Penner line of last years playoffs. These slugs are just taking away from Marchants skill.
Pepper 03-30-2007, 09:37 AM Marchant, May and Parros is not going to make us forget the Marchant Lupul and Penner line of last years playoffs. These slugs are just taking away from Marchants skill.
So is Shannon and both May and Parros bring toughness which Shannon has none.
May is easily the better choice than Shannon come play-offs.
Theridion 03-30-2007, 10:36 AM I think we need to see the Marchant/May/Parros line a few more games to really get a feel for it. However, it looks like that's a pretty nifty checking line that can do some puck control along the boards in the offensive zone.
You can take this whole duck's team, randomly assign the duck's forwards to various lines, and it'd be hard to come up with *bad* line combinations.
Besides, with Marchant killing penalties and Parros getting into fights, chances are a 'line' like this might only skate together half the time they are supposed to during the game.
We need Parros in the playoffs.
Pepper 03-30-2007, 11:38 AM Best possible play-off 4th line is May-Marchant-Thornton.
Dirk316 03-30-2007, 11:52 AM Parros has been playing great as of late as long he continues no point of taking him off. May has 3rd line talent so he's going nowhere and its between Thornton and Shannon if Parros cools off. And Thornton with better NHL offensive skills then the spinarama master its a no-brainer
Hollander 03-30-2007, 11:54 AM Best possible play-off 4th line is May-Marchant-Thornton.
I would agree with that.
Also, as far as the different defense pairings is concerned, I would certainly like that. I never liked the idea of Huskins and DiPenta (yes, he sure is Mr. Crazy Legs!) together. Spread out the experience a bit. Although I like Joe, I still prefer Jackman over DiPenta because of his wicked shot....
Davey Duck 03-30-2007, 12:50 PM Best possible play-off 4th line is May-Marchant-Thornton.
That line would be our ultimate S*** Stirrer line. They'd bang the hell out of everyone.
Kunitz-Mac-Selanne
Penner-Getzlaf-Perry
Niedermayer-Pahlsson-Moen
May-Marchant-Thornton
That looks really nice to me.
TheJoeMan 03-30-2007, 01:52 PM I haven't been too impressed with Thornton as of late. I dig his intensity and grit for sure but his forechecking ability has slid off in my opinion. I say keep Parros on that line until he plays himself off of it. Like I said these last two games have been great but then again they were against Chicago and Colombus. If he's in the lineup against San Jose and/or Dallas and plays well, he just may well see some playoff time. After all when it comes to who has the most experience it's a wash with both of them though Parros has played more NHL games (just just slightly 88-77).
caliamad 03-30-2007, 04:01 PM I say keep Parros in. He's been actually making some decent plays in offensive zone. If he increases his confidence a player with that size would be awesome to have in playoffs.
I also agree about putting Jackman over Dipenta and keeping D Pairs as is. 3 decent vs 2 good+1bad.
Buck Naked 03-30-2007, 04:53 PM I say keep Parros in. He's been actually making some decent plays in offensive zone. If he increases his confidence a player with that size would be awesome to have in playoffs.
I also agree about putting Jackman over Dipenta and keeping D Pairs as is. 3 decent vs 2 good+1bad.
Man I made a thread of this and everyone cut it down like a Persian in the Thermopylae Pass (damn that movie was good :yo: ). Except I proposed Nieds/Husk, Prongs/OD and Beauch/Jack.
Randall Graves* 03-30-2007, 07:38 PM Best possible play-off 4th line is May-Marchant-Thornton.
I agree, unless we play a team with a legit heavy like Minnesota with Boogard.
Lyons71 03-30-2007, 07:47 PM Shannon is not good enough to play anymore. We've all seen how much better Marchant centers that line, and Shannon WOULDN'T bury those chances Parros has been getting because he wouldn't be anywhere near the right place.
stalbert1 03-30-2007, 08:20 PM That line would be our ultimate S*** Stirrer line. They'd bang the hell out of everyone.
Kunitz-Mac-Selanne
Penner-Getzlaf-Perry
Niedermayer-Pahlsson-Moen
May-Marchant-Thornton
That looks really nice to me.
Horrible fourth line a stud and two duds. We better hope the Getz line is great or we are in big trouble. The goon squad will not win come playoff time....
so what we gain there we lose on battles on the boards..notice that line was pretty good at mucking? it wouldn't be with Shannon.
I dont know I cant see the games, I only ask these questions to get a little more insight out of you guys
Dirk316 03-30-2007, 09:19 PM Horrible fourth line a stud and two duds. We better hope the Getz line is great or we are in big trouble. The goon squad will not win come playoff time....
Let me guess Shannon is now a stud? :sarcasm:
stalbert1 03-30-2007, 09:39 PM Let me guess Shannon is now a stud? :sarcasm:
Nope, but if I am the opposing coach I will be pretty damn happy to see a line of Marchant May and Thornton or Parros out there. Slower than a tortoise, more than likely to take needless penaties and zero chance of contributing on the offense.
Todd Marchant is a speedy playmaker who last year excelled because he had a skilled winger along the wall (Penner) and a skilled shooter to bury his and Penners passes( Lupul) - this year he is surrounded by duds.
We are a three line team come playoff time, simple as that. Lets hope Getz and the boys are ready for prime time!
We are a three line team come playoff time, simple as that. Lets hope Getz and the boys are ready for prime time!
where do you get three? I see two offensive lines, one checking line and one shut down line
quite unorthodox but something Burke has built on purpose, it will be interesting to see how it fares in the playoffs
the only saviour out of all this is the offensive capability of Pronger and Neidermayer might make up for the scoring a 3rd offensive line may have provided
Spankatola Jamnuts 03-30-2007, 11:53 PM Nope, but if I am the opposing coach I will be pretty damn happy to see a line of Marchant May and Thornton or Parros out there. Slower than a tortoise, more than likely to take needless penaties and zero chance of contributing on the offense
I don't know why you keep saying that. All three of those players have pretty good wheels (or great wheels, in Marchant's case).
snarktacular 03-31-2007, 12:20 AM Well back in the day, most teams were built around 2 scoring lines, a shut down line, and a energy/tough line. So we're actually orthodox.
And depending on the way the lines are played, that could be actually better. It means the scoring lines get more ice time. Although it also places more burden on our young scorers to actually score. Different from last year and even the beginning of this year where the lines got more even time at ES.
Davey Duck 03-31-2007, 12:31 AM Well back in the day, most teams were built around 2 scoring lines, a shut down line, and a energy/tough line. So we're actually orthodox.
And depending on the way the lines are played, that could be actually better. It means the scoring lines get more ice time. Although it also places more burden on our young scorers to actually score. Different from last year and even the beginning of this year where the lines got more even time at ES.
Yeah, doesn't everyone remember the days where the 4th line was basically worthless on most every team in the NHL? People are expecting way too much out of them these days.
snarktacular 03-31-2007, 12:35 AM Well in a salary cap world, for a team without youngsters to groom, maybe more teams will go to a minimally used, minimum salary 4th line. That's how you can afford to keep a good top 6 and top 4 blueline.
Dirk316 03-31-2007, 01:58 AM Parros, May and Thornton have all played good hard disciplined hockey. May and Thornton are decent skaters. And this line gives the Ducks a punishment line which helps alot in a long series. When the Ducks throw a wimpy lineup on the ice they play worse and usually lose.
Spankatola Jamnuts 03-31-2007, 03:15 AM Yeah, doesn't everyone remember the days where the 4th line was basically worthless on most every team in the NHL? People are expecting way too much out of them these days.
It wasn't that long ago that national broadcasters were referring to it as the "so-called 4th line".
Randall Graves* 03-31-2007, 04:18 AM Horrible fourth line a stud and two duds. We better hope the Getz line is great or we are in big trouble. The goon squad will not win come playoff time....
Are you serious? That's line that actually has an identity, which our 4th has lacked all season. They will bang bodies every chance they get and forecheck, that's enough for me.
Bobby Ryan Getzlaf 03-31-2007, 04:23 AM Are you serious? That's line that actually has an identity, which our 4th has lacked all season. They will bang bodies every chance they get and forecheck, that's enough for me.
Exactly. People forget that the Lupul-Marchant-Penner line was our second scoring line last year, not our fourth line. We now have a second scoring line in the PPG line, and, the way they've been playing as of late, I'm fine with that. A May-Marchant-Thornton/Parros line is going to be awesome come playoff time. I'm also really starting to like this acquisition of Brad May.
Randall Graves* 03-31-2007, 04:26 AM Exactly. People forget that the Lupul-Marchant-Penner line was our second scoring line last year, not our fourth line. We now have a second scoring line in the PPG line, and, the way they've been playing as of late, I'm fine with that. A May-Marchant-Thornton/Parros line is going to be awesome come playoff time. I'm also really starting to like this acquisition of Brad May.
And we didn't go into the playoffs with Penner playing on that line, we were really a one line team that relied on the PP and others to raise their games.
I like our top 2 lines, every time our shutdown line cycles on the walls we win that shift, and from our 4th we will have guys that will be physical and forecheck, plus let's not forget the big 3 on the blueline, they'll provide us with offense too.
Sevat 03-31-2007, 05:25 AM All I know is lately, every time Parros is out, something happens. Be it a fight, a hit, a scrum, a goal, a great chance. Keep him in.
Pepper 03-31-2007, 05:57 AM Nope, but if I am the opposing coach I will be pretty damn happy to see a line of Marchant May and Thornton or Parros out there. Slower than a tortoise, more than likely to take needless penaties and zero chance of contributing on the offense.
Let's not forget the facts please.
RYAN SHANNON R ANA 52 2 9 11
SHAWN THORNTON L ANA 46 2 7 9
Thornton is bringing basicly the same offense as Shannon so you can stop moaning about lack of offense because Shannon is not in the line-up.
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