Who Should Have Been Picked for Both the Canadien and US WJ Team and Why?

Just Curious What everyone's thought's are in terms of who should have been considered for there respective teams Canada and United States and Why? Please Keep it positive! :teach:

[QUOTE=FiveforFighting]Just Curious What everyone's thought's are in terms of who should have been considered for there respective teams Canada and United States and Why? Please Keep it positive! :teach:[/QU

Maybe I wrote this wrong. Who should have made the Team and why but didn't ?

[QUOTE=FiveforFighting]Just Curious What everyone's thought's are in terms of who should have been considered for there respective teams Canada and United States and Why? Please Keep it positive! :teach:[/QU

Maybe I wrote this wrong. Who should have made the Team and why but didn't ?
I guessing Corey Locke, Pouliot. and MAYBE MURRAY.... USA stole us him......

Maybe I wrote this wrong. Who should have made the Team and why but didn't ?

Team Canada's selection camp starts tomorrow. There is still a good week before we have a good impression of what the team will look like.

And as for Corey Locke, that kid is the definition of the word "overrated". Yes, he can put points on the board, but he can't do anything else.

Locke, S.Bernier, M.A Pouliot, and Dany Roussin

I guessing Corey Locke, Pouliot. and MAYBE MURRAY.... USA stole us him......

Is Murray that Good? And Should the US have picked him even though he didn't attend their Junior camp in August? It seems Corey Lock should have made the evaluation camp because anyone who has a nose for the net like him could prove to be a big asset specially if the team is down by a goal. Pouliot hasn't played that many games: Is He injured?

Why Hugh Jessiman is not invited by the US ???

Locke, S.Bernier, M.A Pouliot, and Dany Roussin

I'm surprised about Bernier considering the amount of points he has put up past and present. He's pretty tough to move in front of the net from what I understand and seems to be able to fill the net. Why do you think He didn't make the evaluation camp?

Corey Locke being overrated.....


I totally agree! Apparently he also has a huge attitude also which isn't gonna get him anywhere! From what i have heard this is one of the reasons why he didn't make the team last year despite the fact that he was one of the top scorers in the chl....if not the top if i remember correctly!

Why Hugh Jessiman is not invited by the US ???

Good Pick. Drafted in the first round by the Rangers I believe. Maybe the US coaches know something that the Rangers don't. I'm not sure what the number is but there are doesn't seem to be many players from the New England Area on the Team. Do you think they are out scouting many games in the New England Area?

Good Pick. Drafted in the first round by the Rangers I believe. Maybe the US coaches know something that the Rangers don't. I'm not sure what the number is but there are doesn't seem to be many players from the New England Area on the Team. Do you think they are out scouting many games in the New England Area?

Maybe the fact that Hugh is a HUGE project and isn't ready?

Everyone's known about that since before the draft -- it's nothing new.

He needs a lot of work.

Team Canada's selection camp starts tomorrow. There is still a good week before we have a good impression of what the team will look like.

And as for Corey Locke, that kid is the definition of the word "overrated". Yes, he can put points on the board, but he can't do anything else.


.............interesting opinion from someone from as far away as Prince George.........What could you possibly be basing your opinion on?

If anything I think MCaskey is "underrating" his ability to find the net
.......which is what this years edition of the Canadian Team will have trouble doing.......

.....I am thankful for Fleury..........Poulliot is a tough one to overlook as well......................Henrich??????

Urquhart, Lambert and Locke. All should have been invited to selection camp, IMO.

Is Murray that Good? And Should the US have picked him even though he didn't attend their Junior camp in August? It seems Corey Lock should have made the evaluation camp because anyone who has a nose for the net like him could prove to be a big asset specially if the team is down by a goal. Pouliot hasn't played that many games: Is He injured?

I dunno... But he is a 19 yr old.... Team Canada is lacking 19 yr old players...

Murray is playing really well in the NCAA...

and Canada were happy in the past withs some NCAA players.. I just think about Mike Cammaleri... I guess Tambellini will be just as good (I'm crossing my fingers).

But I never see Murray play. So, maybe he is not that good for crack the Canadian team.. But he definitely got a great look by Team Canada....

But I think, from what I read, that he is a player best suited of Intl. Tournament.

Corey Locke being overrated.....


I totally agree! Apparently he also has a huge attitude also which isn't gonna get him anywhere! From what i have heard this is one of the reasons why he didn't make the team last year despite the fact that he was one of the top scorers in the chl....if not the top if i remember correctly!

I've never heard that Locke has a huge attitude. He was their leader last year (even if Bell was the captain) and is their captain this season. If he had a bad attitude, somebody like Matt Albiani would have gotten the C. Having lived in Ottawa up until this September and even now still reading the newspaper online, I've never heard any major criticism of Locke's attitude.

He didn't make the team becasue of his skating deficiencies and to a lesser extent, his lack of size.

.............interesting opinion from someone from as far away as Prince George.........What could you possibly be basing your opinion on?


Scouting opinions from around the country that have said the same thing. If he is such a great player, and such a "nose for the net", why did Montreal wait until Round #4 to draft him this summer? Hell, some scouts think Locke was lucky to go as high as round 4.

Also, he was leading the CHL in scoring last year, and was not considered for this team because the rest of his game was lacking....He is not scoring at near the pace he was last season, so why should he be considered this year?

Scoring points is not everything, and it is all Corey Locke can do.

Scoring points is not everything, and it is all Corey Locke can do.



....and you must have your head stuck up your a$$ if you really believe that. If you were to know anything about a Brian Kilrea-coached team, you would know that EVERY player on his team knows about something called "defense" and if you don't play defense, you don't play. While I do agree that Locke's skating ability isn't great, it isn't bad. As well, Locke is a sound positional player and has that knack for being in the right place at the right time. So, before you spew any more garbage, learn your facts first.

....and you must have your head stuck up your a$$ if you really believe that. If you were to know anything about a Brian Kilrea-coached team, you would know that EVERY player on his team knows about something called "defense" and if you don't play defense, you don't play. While I do agree that Locke's skating ability isn't great, it isn't bad. As well, Locke is a sound positional player and has that knack for being in the right place at the right time. So, before you spew any more garbage, learn your facts first.

I could care less if you agree with my opinions or not. But if you cannot respond without being so bloody arrogant and disrespectful, then you do not deserve a response.

Maybe the fact that Hugh is a HUGE project and isn't ready?

Everyone's known about that since before the draft -- it's nothing new.

He needs a lot of work.

That's a good point! They probably did draft him on future potential but he did play very well last year.

How is he doing this season? Has anybody seen him play lately?

Urquhart, Lambert and Locke. All should have been invited to selection camp, IMO.

Looks like Urquhart is having a great year. If Canada needed some production he could be good. Can someone give us a report on him as to his all around play? :teach:

Urquhart, Lambert and Locke. All should have been invited to selection camp, IMO.

Can someone give us a report on Lambert ? I am not familier with him.

Locke, S.Bernier, M.A Pouliot, and Dany Roussin

Roussin is having a great season. looks as though he would be a great compliment to his young linemate. There must be some great plays being made on that line. What kind of player is he? Does he play defense too?

Jeremy Williams, Tyler Redenbach, Cory Urquhart, Michael Lambert, Marc-Antoine Pouliot

I could care less if you agree with my opinions or not. But if you cannot respond without being so bloody arrogant and disrespectful, then you do not deserve a response.

Lets keep it positive! Locke certainly has put up the numbers to be considered and is obviously an excellent player that you would love to have on your team. I have heard he is small but so is Samsonov, Bouchard and StLouis etc.

Jeremy Williams, Tyler Redenbach, Cory Urquhart, Michael Lambert, Marc-Antoine Pouliot

Hi Road Warrior

I'm not very familiar with Jeremy Williams or Tyler Redenbach. Can you give us some info? Sorry maybe I should Know these players.

Jeremy Williams, Tyler Redenbach, Cory Urquhart, Michael Lambert, Marc-Antoine Pouliot

Is MA Pouliot hurt? He hasn't played that many games in comparison to his teammates.

Is MA Pouliot hurt? He hasn't played that many games in comparison to his teammates.
Yeah he is injured.

Yeah he is injured.

Will he return soon?

Scouting opinions from around the country that have said the same thing. If he is such a great player, and such a "nose for the net", why did Montreal wait until Round #4 to draft him this summer? Hell, some scouts think Locke was lucky to go as high as round 4.

Also, he was leading the CHL in scoring last year, and was not considered for this team because the rest of his game was lacking....He is not scoring at near the pace he was last season, so why should he be considered this year?

Scoring points is not everything, and it is all Corey Locke can do.


.....Since when did how high a player is drafted have anything to do with whether a player was good enough for WJ Team?????

Maxime Talbot was drafted in the 8th round.........what's he doing there?
He's probably a lock for this club.....


Scoring points is not everything????? Last time I checked ..........the team that scores the most goals in a game........wins.........by rule.


For some reason Mcaskey and CDN brass have something against Locke which I feel is unjust..........
Locke being snubbed is a big a joke as Simon Gamache being left off in 2001........(scouting opinions from around the country that have said the same thing)

If this years team struggles offensively I am going to Cringe every time Green says we are lacking offensive firepower.......

I am thankful for Fleury.

.....Since when did how high a player is drafted have anything to do with whether a player was good enough for WJ Team?????

Maxime Talbot was drafted in the 8th round.........what's he doing there?
He's probably a lock for this club.....


Scoring points is not everything????? Last time I checked ..........the team that scores the most goals in a game........wins.........by rule.


For some reason Mcaskey and CDN brass have something against Locke which I feel is unjust..........
Locke being snubbed is a big a joke as Simon Gamache being left off in 2001........(scouting opinions from around the country that have said the same thing)

If this years team struggles offensively I am going to Cringe every time Green says we are lacking offensive firepower.......

I am thankful for Fleury.
Thank you!! I agree 100%.

.....Since when did how high a player is drafted have anything to do with whether a player was good enough for WJ Team?????

Maxime Talbot was drafted in the 8th round.........what's he doing there?
He's probably a lock for this club.....


Scoring points is not everything????? Last time I checked ..........the team that scores the most goals in a game........wins.........by rule.


For some reason Mcaskey and CDN brass have something against Locke which I feel is unjust..........
Locke being snubbed is a big a joke as Simon Gamache being left off in 2001........(scouting opinions from around the country that have said the same thing)

If this years team struggles offensively I am going to Cringe every time Green says we are lacking offensive firepower.......

I am thankful for Fleury.

Seems as though Canada has left some pretty high quality offensive talent off their roster?

Also there doesn't seem to be as much controversy over the Russian team roster. Does anyone feel there have been any Russian Players left off the team that should be playing in the Tournament?

Josh Henessy should be on team USA

Josh Henessy should be on team USA

I've heard his name come up before. Why do you believe he should be on the team?

Will he return soon?

The team is a bit worried because he should already be ready to play. It was a 4-6 week injury and it will make 6 week soon. He's been day to day for a while now. He should return very soon.



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Hennessy is one of the best player in the Q. He's Very fast and a good playmaker. I don't know much about the available players for the US this years but i'd be pretty surprise if they have 3 center better than him.

He'll be available again next years he should make it then.

The team is a bit worried because he should already be ready to play. It was a 4-6 week injury and it will make 6 week soon. He's been day to day for a while now. He should return very soon.


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Hennessy is one of the best player in the Q. He's Very fast and a good playmaker. I don't know much about the available players for the US this years but i'd be pretty surprise if they have 3 center better than him.

He'll be available again next years he should make it then.

Pouliot: He will help Rimouski a lot when he returns and would be a plus for team Canada wouldn't he?
What type of injury does he have?

Hennessy:Thanks for the info!
Does anybody else have any thoughts or info?

I thing Cory Urquhart(sp?) was unfairly left off the team. I know he hasn't been playing very well lately but I think that its a snowball effect of having played something like 4 games in 4 nights back at the remax challenge

For USA I think Matt Nickerson of Clarkson University could have played.

Nickerson, D, Fr 15 3 6 9

9 points in 15 games, and he is born in 1985. 3rd round pick for Dallas last summer. The reason he didn't get a shot is because he takes so many penalties. He's averaging about 5 PIM's a game at the moment and on his way to possibly setting a new NCAA D-1 record for PIM's.

Why Hugh Jessiman is not invited by the US ???

Apparently he had a slow start, before catching fire....

I've heard his name come up before. Why do you believe he should be on the team?

First of all, u heard his name before on another thread named U20 team usa 6 players added.

I believe he should be on the team because he is IMO better than some other forward in the team USA. This guy plays on a very young team and before Alexi Shkotov camed to Quebec he was the only good offensive players of his team and had good stats anyway.

There are reason he has been picked in the second round of one of the deepest draft ever. How many other forward of this team have been picked after him?

Personally I think that Rob Schremf and Josh Hennesy has'nt been picked because they play in Canada. But I don't want to start a war so don't take it personnaly it's just my opinion. And maybe that it's true that the team who will be at the U20 tournament will be a "team with chemestry" and not only the best player of the country. We will see who was right, but I think that USA with these 2 players would be terrific

Apparently he had a slow start, before catching fire....

Is Jessiman playing well as of late?
We haven't heard to much about him lately.
Has anyone seen him play recently?

First of all, u heard his name before on another thread named U20 team usa 6 players added.

I believe he should be on the team because he is IMO better than some other forward in the team USA. This guy plays on a very young team and before Alexi Shkotov camed to Quebec he was the only good offensive players of his team and had good stats anyway.

There are reason he has been picked in the second round of one of the deepest draft ever. How many other forward of this team have been picked after him?

That's a good question. I wonder how many of the players picked for the team were drafted in Later than Hennessy, Jessiman. Does anybody have this information?
Does any player have more points on the US TEAM than this kid Hennessy?
It would seem that some of the other players must have some good talented players to play with because their teamates made the US team.

Personally I think that Rob Schremf and Josh Hennesy has'nt been picked because they play in Canada. But I don't want to start a war so don't take it personnaly it's just my opinion. And maybe that it's true that the team who will be at the U20 tournament will be a "team with chemestry" and not only the best player of the country. We will see who was right, but I think that USA with these 2 players would be terrific

It does seem ashame that players who can score and play make like these 2 can't be seen at this tournament.

For USA I think Matt Nickerson of Clarkson University could have played.

Nickerson, D, Fr 15 3 6 9

9 points in 15 games, and he is born in 1985. 3rd round pick for Dallas last summer. The reason he didn't get a shot is because he takes so many penalties. He's averaging about 5 PIM's a game at the moment and on his way to possibly setting a new NCAA D-1 record for PIM's.

Didn't the Us take Matt Green Last year as an enforcer type who as I remember lead the team and was second in the tournament in total penalty minutes. As I remember they didn't take the leading scoring defenseman in the CHL that was American. PLease correct me if I'm Wrong because I'm only going from memory.

.....Since when did how high a player is drafted have anything to do with whether a player was good enough for WJ Team?????

Maxime Talbot was drafted in the 8th round.........what's he doing there?
He's probably a lock for this club.....

I never said or implied that it did matter. What I said, was that if Corey Locke was as good as some Ottawa 67's fans say he is, then why did Montreal wait for the 4th round to draft him?



Scoring points is not everything????? Last time I checked ..........the team that scores the most goals in a game........wins.........by rule.


Obviously....but that doesn't mean that a good, solid forward hockey player is made out of nothing but point-scoring ability. You need to be able to skate well (which Locke doesn't do), you need to be able to play physical hockey, you need to be able to come back and help out the defence, and much more.

To make the pros, and to make Canada's U20 team, you have to be able to excel at more than just one aspect of the game.

So no, scoring points is not everything.

Personally I think that Rob Schremf and Josh Hennesy has'nt been picked because they play in Canada. But I don't want to start a war so don't take it personnaly it's just my opinion. And maybe that it's true that the team who will be at the U20 tournament will be a "team with chemestry" and not only the best player of the country. We will see who was right, but I think that USA with these 2 players would be terrific

No you are essentially right with your "CHL bias" theory. They tend to pick players who coem through US hockey development (the actual name escapes me) and prefer to have those guys (as there is some sense of chemistry) over guys who are obviously more talented (Henny and Schremp) but develop their game elsewhere.

No you are essentially right with your "CHL bias" theory. They tend to pick players who coem through US hockey development (the actual name escapes me) and prefer to have those guys (as there is some sense of chemistry) over guys who are obviously more talented (Henny and Schremp) but develop their game elsewhere.

What about Patrick 0'Sullivan and James Wisniewski & Danny Richmond ???

The last time I checked they all play in the OHL...and are on Team USA..

And as for Corey Locke, that kid is the definition of the word "overrated". Yes, he can put points on the board, but he can't do anything else.

I believe he should have had an *invite*. Just a look-see. I believe many people, perhaps you included, now have a faulty perception of the WJC.

This is a tournament of young players, not a NHL prospect evaluation. Players like Locke may be slightly overrated by some NHL followers (though nothing bad enough to call him overrated, we don't often hear his name) but he is a player who *at this level* can contribute.

However, I am satisfied with this team. It isn't as bad as the crappy team they sent a few years ago with weak sh*tty forwards while not even inviting Gamache, who could have been just what the doctor ordered.

As long as team Canada and fans will have this perception that the WJC are a prospect spectacle, team Canada will have problems. Inner politics for selections are also a problem in Canada but this is unfortunately the case for many countries. This tournament has lost its shine for me.

That being said, this year is the best edition of Canada I have seen in a while and I think they will win gold this year.

What about Patrick 0'Sullivan and James Wisniewski & Danny Richmond ???

The last time I checked they all play in the OHL...and are on Team USA..

Patty did say "tend" and "prefer". There was no mention that they completely exclude CHL players.

I can understand why the US do that up to a certain point. This bias probably exist but for good reasons. They're familiar with certain players and build their team accordingly.

This is a tournament of young players, not a NHL prospect evaluation. Players like Locke may be slightly overrated by some NHL followers (though nothing bad enough to call him overrated, we don't often hear his name) but he is a player who *at this level* can contribute.


I don't think he can. Corey Locke may be able to score at the major junior level, but the International U20 level is a step above the CHL, and I don't think he has much to offer above the CHL.

Just because he led the CHL in scoring last season doesn't make him a CHL superstar, and sure as hell doesn't mean he has all the attributes that a player making Team Canada needs.

Besides, Locke was invited to the summer camp if I'm not mistaken. MacKasey and co. got their look then, and obviously were not impressed.

Patty did say "tend" and "prefer". There was no mention that they completely exclude CHL players.

I can understand why the US do that up to a certain point. This bias probably exist but for good reasons. They're familiar with certain players and build their team accordingly.


I think you've got it right. The U.S. tends to prefer players that have been associated with the USNTDP. Whether they go on to college or play in the CHL isn't really the issue, although there appears to be a NCAA bias, but that's to be expected given the already mentioned criteria. That being said, it would be nice to have had the likes of Schremp and Hennessey on the team, but those two players aren't going to break the bank for the U.S. Scoring won't be an issue, whethere the goaltending and to an extent defense holds up is.

Didn't the Us take Matt Green Last year as an enforcer type who as I remember lead the team and was second in the tournament in total penalty minutes. As I remember they didn't take the leading scoring defenseman in the CHL that was American. PLease correct me if I'm Wrong because I'm only going from memory.


No, they took Greene because he's a mean, crease clearing SOB who takes care of business in his own end. You're right though, he did take a ton of penalities, which was likely in an international tournament. The other guy you're talking about is Jesse Lane, and while he's a great offensive defenseman, I guess his play in his own zone was the key factor in him not being on the team.

No, they took Greene because he's a mean, crease clearing SOB who takes care of business in his own end. You're right though, he did take a ton of penalities, which was likely in an international tournament. The other guy you're talking about is Jesse Lane, and while he's a great offensive defenseman, I guess his play in his own zone was the key factor in him not being on the team.

Please don't take this wrong Rabid Ranger but this worries me about the direction that the game of hockey is headed. The US team picks a mean crease clearing SOB who takes a ton of penalties (gives the opposing team a power play on an Olympic ice surface) over the Leading Offensive Defenseman in the entire Canadien Hockey League.

Please don't take this wrong Rabid Ranger but this worries me about the direction that the game of hockey is headed. The US team picks a mean crease clearing SOB who takes a ton of penalties (gives the opposing team a power play on an Olympic ice surface) over the Leading Offensive Defenseman in the entire Canadien Hockey League.



No offense taken, although I think you're overanalyzing the situation. The U.S. WJC team last year had a good mix of offensive and stay-at-home D-men, and this year the team has even more of an offensive slant.

No offense taken, although I think you're overanalyzing the situation. The U.S. WJC team last year had a good mix of offensive and stay-at-home D-men, and this year the team has even more of an offensive slant.


Good Post. I understand what your saying But when a team excludes just one piece of the puzzle in a elite tournament of this nature their chances of winning the championship decrease considerably.

Also I must admit that I am a big fan of highly skilled hockey, Fast paced up & Down, Side to side, Tape to tape passing, highly creative playmaking, One on one moves beyond belief. Puck control to the point that teams won't dump the puck but try to control it and when there is a turn over the puck goes up ice in the other direction in a beat of the heart. Defensmen that can make the quick outlet pass on the stick (not ring it off the glass) and jump up into the play. Players that can perform their skills at the highest levels. Goaltenders that can make the awesome save make a pass and send the play furiously in the other direction. Players that take chances in order to perform outstanding plays. Highly skilled creative hockey.

In this Tournament it would mean Canada's , Russia's, US's etc. most highly skilled players with no exceptions, Pure hockey at it's best.
I know I'm dreaming but wouldn't it be Awesome! It wouldn't matter which team won because the game itself would be the winner.

And OH YES!!!!!!! the Fans would be the biggest winner of them all!