Brad May

Obviously I've been outspoken about my appreciation for his game and what he can offer to the team. There are also many who feel as opposite about this as can be. Instead of having the discussion spread over several threads I'm trying to get one cohesive conversation going about this guy.

That being said, I like him because:

1. He adds some speed and some good hands (not likely to score but likely to create some excitement around the net.)
2. I want a 3rd physical/checking line brought back that will play minutes greater than the 4th line. (My preference is May-Guite-Lappy.)
3. I think having #2 established will create more positive competition between the skilled players on the 2nd line and those on the 4th line. It's a win-win situation.
4. I won't even continue to respond to May being on the 2nd line posts because it's not in my control...I agree he should not be there. He is much better suited to a checking line role. Take these kinds of grievances up with Coach Q and not me. If Q continues to mis-use players don't blame the players...blame the friggin' coach already. That's a whole other thread though.

May will never be a scoring "threat" in the NHL and never has been. His role is to play bang-bang down low and create chances that take their toll on a team over the course of a game or over the course of a series. I'd like him to fight (although he'd probably lose) just to take some of the burden off of Lappy. His job is not to fight...it is to be aggressive, hard-hitting and to cycle down low.

Fire away...

And he isn't a good 3rd liner, he's a lackluster goon and for bringin intangibles his first two games this season the Avs got shellacked in the first. There have to be 50 slugs in the league that bring more to the table than may and are better human beings than him to boot.

You obviously have something against the guy. Your stance that there are 50 better slugs doesn't carry much water because you don't list them or their associated salaries.

I have no idea what level of standard you are using to rate who is a good or bad human being...I usually leave those existential questions to God and let him sort those kinda questions out for himself. After all, I live in a glass house too.

I have no problem with you correcting me here but I think your whole hatred of him stems to a comment he made that was in reference to a movie that was made in the 70s called "SlapShot."

I personally still hate May from the Bertuzzi incident, but I'll admit he plays like a buzzsaw and we need more of that attitude from the rest of the team. In the end, I don't see him coming back next season so my primary hope is that he plays well enough to turn himself into a 4-5th rounder by the deadline.

I personally still hate May from the Bertuzzi incident, but I'll admit he plays like a buzzsaw and we need more of that attitude from the rest of the team. In the end, I don't see him coming back next season so my primary hope is that he plays well enough to turn himself into a 4-5th rounder by the deadline.

Ok...I can deal with that. It's honest and I appreciate you chiming in. But I guess I have to ask...how did May actually hurt Moore? Is he really capable of forcing Burtuzzi to do the things that he did? Is May really the devil? I still believe that humans can be held accountable for their own actions. May said a line referring to a 1970's era movie. Burtuzzi actually went out and crushed a guy. I don't understand where May did anything wrong. I've said a hundred times, "I hate [insert name here]." That doesn't mean I'm liable for whatever someone else does to them. I've even said I wished someone had never been born....does that make me guilty if someone else goes and murder that person?

I guess I have to ask...did Burtuzzi actually receive a $100 gift from May after the hit? If he didn't, maybe Burt has a law-suite against May for providing services not rendered a payment.

Ok...I can deal with that. It's honest and I appreciate you chiming in. But I guess I have to ask...how did May actually hurt Moore? Is he really capable of forcing Burtuzzi to do the things that he did? Is May really the devil? I still believe that humans can be held accountable for their own actions. May said a line referring to a 1970's era movie. Burtuzzi actually went out and crushed a guy. I don't understand where May did anything wrong. I've said a hundred times, "I hate [insert name here]." That doesn't mean I'm liable for whatever someone else does to them. I've even said I wished someone had never been born....does that make me guilty if someone else goes and murder that person?

I guess I have to ask...did Burtuzzi actually receive a $100 gift from May after the hit? If he didn't, maybe Burt has a law-suite against May for providing services not rendered a payment.

I should clarify. I hate May because of his role in that infamous game, not for what he said in the papers or for what Bertuzzi did.

While Bertuzzi's action certainly caused the most harm, it was May who was the most antagonistic throughout that game. I remember him giving a few questionable hits, constantly egging players on, and especially for getting in Abby's face directly after scoring- which he did twice! I'd never seen a player score, and then instead of celebrating with his team, skate up to the opposing goalie to talk smack- and he did it twice!

Even after learning of Moore's condition I was more pissed at May then Bertuzzi. While Bertuzzi had a moment of utter stupidity (maybe two when you consider his line: "it is what it is"), May has blood lust all night long.

I realize that it's a player like May's job to be as antagonistic as possible when the going gets tough, but I thought he crossed the line several times that night and was the main reason why the game got out of hand in the first place. Now that he's an Av I'll root for him to help the team, but I'll be very happy when he's gone.

I like May. He works hard, skates better than people think, gives full effort, and will drop the gloves if needed to. and, he's a leader. to me, he's almost perfect for our 4th line. (and see, I won't even mention that he is ill-suited to be on the 2nd line).

I'm not sure I'd like to see him and Laperriere out there together - they both lacked discipline when on the ice together against the Thrashers. May, Guite and Rycroft? I could buy that.

You obviously have something against the guy. Your stance that there are 50 better slugs doesn't carry much water because you don't list them or their associated salaries. Off the top of my head, Craig Adams, Sean Thorton, Scott Thorton, Villie Niemenen, Cris Niel, Scott Mellanby, Dallas Drake, tyson Nash.

May is Jim Cummins with mobility.

I have no idea what level of standard you are using to rate who is a good or bad human being...I usually leave those existential questions to God and let him sort those kinda questions out for himself. After all, I live in a glass house too. He was complicit in one assualt and had to settle another out of court.

I have no problem with you correcting me here but I think your whole hatred of him stems to a comment he made that was in reference to a movie that was made in the 70s called "SlapShot."Which would mean nothing if one of his teammates didn't try and collect said bounty. He, Bertuzzi, Crawford, the Vancouver press all made remarks and once they came to fruition *****ed out on them. He's never owned up to one ******* bit in the incedent.

1. He adds some speed and some good hands (not likely to score but likely to create some excitement around the net.)
2. I want a 3rd physical/checking line brought back that will play minutes greater than the 4th line. (My preference is May-Guite-Lappy.)
3. I think having #2 established will create more positive competition between the skilled players on the 2nd line and those on the 4th line. It's a win-win situation.
4. I won't even continue to respond to May being on the 2nd line posts because it's not in my control...I agree he should not be there. He is much better suited to a checking line role. Take these kinds of grievances up with Coach Q and not me. If Q continues to mis-use players don't blame the players...blame the friggin' coach already. That's a whole other thread though.Informed Attributes (n): When a character displays a mediocre or even inept level of skill in some discipline (anything from dancing to writing to fighting), yet we are shown other characters lauding their talents. This is to signal the audience that, at least in the universe presented in the film, these people are to be considered as highly proficient at their craft, however much this belies the evidence of our eyes and/or ears.

In other words May is a great guy in the room, has good hands. Or Burke is the best GM in the league.

count me down as a fan of may. and i used to loathe him.

I should clarify. I hate May because of his role in that infamous game, not for what he said in the papers or for what Bertuzzi did.

While Bertuzzi's action certainly caused the most harm, it was May who was the most antagonistic throughout that game. I remember him giving a few questionable hits, constantly egging players on, and especially for getting in Abby's face directly after scoring- which he did twice! I'd never seen a player score, and then instead of celebrating with his team, skate up to the opposing goalie to talk smack- and he did it twice!

Even after learning of Moore's condition I was more pissed at May then Bertuzzi. While Bertuzzi had a moment of utter stupidity (maybe two when you consider his line: "it is what it is"), May has blood lust all night long.

I realize that it's a player like May's job to be as antagonistic as possible when the going gets tough, but I thought he crossed the line several times that night and was the main reason why the game got out of hand in the first place. Now that he's an Av I'll root for him to help the team, but I'll be very happy when he's gone.

I have absolutely no freakin' problem with any of that. I only wish he could score twice for the AVs and do the same thing. More power to a player that does that. It's no different than Roy giving a "wink" after stoning Sandstrom. Trash talk is part of the game and if you can stand up to that...there's always volleyball.

As for May crossing the line...I'm not sure what line he crossed. He talked trash. He got into people's faces...until recently that was a big part of the game. How many scrums used to occur around the mouth of the goal during the mid-late 90s. It was all trash-talk and all about egging other players on. That's all May was trying to do and he did a good job at it. As you said, "Bertuzzi's action certainly caused the most harm..." I would only change that to say Burtuzzi's action certainly caused the ONLY harm...May didn't tackle someone from behind and he didn't sucker punch anyone...heck, he never drove someone's head into the ice either.

He has however, provided some exciting moments this year (although he's only played a handful of games) and he was one of the only players who bothered to show up last year in the second round of the SC playoffs for the AVs.

Off the top of my head, Craig Adams, Sean Thorton, Scott Thorton, Villie Niemenen, Cris Niel, Scott Mellanby, Dallas Drake, tyson Nash.

May is Jim Cummins with mobility.

He was complicit in one assualt and had to settle another out of court.

Which would mean nothing if one of his teammates didn't try and collect said bounty. He, Bertuzzi, Crawford, the Vancouver press all made remarks and once they came to fruition *****ed out on them. He's never owned up to one ******* bit in the incedent.

Informed Attributes (n): When a character displays a mediocre or even inept level of skill in some discipline (anything from dancing to writing to fighting), yet we are shown other characters lauding their talents. This is to signal the audience that, at least in the universe presented in the film, these people are to be considered as highly proficient at their craft, however much this belies the evidence of our eyes and/or ears.

In other words May is a great guy in the room, has good hands. Or Burke is the best GM in the league.

1. Good agitators all around...I didn't care for the Jim Cummins' bit but that's just me. Any idea what the salary difference between these players and May is? I have no idea...hell May might be paid more than them but I kinda doubt it.

2. May is not complicit in an assault. Until he is found guilty by a jury of his peers he is still innocent. I don't understand this stance. Did I miss something? Did some court find him guilty of assault? Did he plead guilty to assault? If so, please back it up with a link. It's dangerously close to slander/liable to say he is complicit in a crime when he's never been prosecuted. You'd be better off just stating that you think he's a flaming arsehole. At least then we'd know it's an opinion and not something you've gleamed for a legal standpoint.

3. If you think Burke is the best GM in the league who am I to disagree? That's what you think...I don't think the same thing. I think May has good hands...I don't think he has a scoring touch. Who are you to disagree with what I believe. You might disagree that he has good hands, and I can appreciate that kind of feedback. Not really sure that trying to make me into an idiot for backing the skills that May does have (via the definition thing) is going to help or hinder either one of us in this thread.

I'd like to keep this conversation going though. I hope no ill feelings develop. I just like the guy and wouldn't mind him being around for another year. Obviously you feel differently. Let's keep it going.

I dont like him, mostly because he tries to play a game that isnt suited for a player of his ilk. He is not going to stick handle like Kovalev. (I am not refering to his line placement in this statement, just how he plays the game.)

I dont like him, mostly because he tries to play a game that isnt suited for a player of his ilk. He is not going to stick handle like Kovalev. (I am not refering to his line placement in this statement, just how he plays the game.)


that's actually what i like about him.

I don't mind him in the lineup when he's playing an energetic style. When he's able to skate halfway decent he's able to keep pace with players to hit them, and there is a much needed spot for that on the 4th line. Unfortunatley like many players of his role, that type of play usually only lasts for a few games at most. After the excitemtent of being back in the lineup wears off, so too does the halfway decent skating and most of the energetic play, so he is relegated back to being pretty much a spare part taking up a roster spot. It also doesn't help that he isn't much of a fighter, and is very comparable to Cummins in that regard. Rotating him in and out of the lineup with guys like Rycroft, Guite, and Laaksonen to keep them fresh and motivated to play their absolute best would be my preference.

He is ok as a depth guy, but please keep him off the second line.

1. Good agitators all around...I didn't care for the Jim Cummins' bit but that's just me. Any idea what the salary difference between these players and May is? I have no idea...hell May might be paid more than them but I kinda doubt it.

2. May is not complicit in an assault. Until he is found guilty by a jury of his peers he is still innocent. I don't understand this stance. Did I miss something? Did some court find him guilty of assault? Did he plead guilty to assault? If so, please back it up with a link.And OJ ain't a murder.
It's dangerously close to slander/liable to say he is complicit in a crime when he's never been prosecuted. You'd be better off just stating that you think he's a flaming arsehole. At least then we'd know it's an opinion and not something you've gleamed for a legal standpoint.He was named in a court case and settled yet another givien the ridiculously low standards Canuckleheads are held too around here I'd doubt it. Fact is he set a bounty and then said player was attacked and he's weaseled out of standing up for what he did.


3. If you think Burke is the best GM in the league who am I to disagree? That's what you think...I don't think the same thing. I think May has good hands...I don't think he has a scoring touch. Who are you to disagree with what I believe. You might disagree that he has good hands, and I can appreciate that kind of feedback. Not really sure that trying to make me into an idiot for backing the skills that May does have (via the definition thing) is going to help or hinder either one of us in this thread.

I'd like to keep this conversation going though. I hope no ill feelings develop. I just like the guy and wouldn't mind him being around for another year. Obviously you feel differently. Let's keep it going.

Interesting ET..why do you ask people why they dislike May and then try to denigrate or deny the validity for their dislike?

I hate that the jerk is on our team. It was a ridiculous deciscion by Lacroix to attempt to force a resolution to the Bertuzzi incident. I think it was one of the most chicken **** decisions he made. May's complicity in the assault of Steve Moore is enough reason for me to dislike him and I don't give a good god damn if you believe that is not a good reason.

Now as far as his hockey skills and usefullness to the team..he is a crappy skater, a stupid thug who can't win a fight and really can be replaced by an number of similar types.

If you are so in love with the guy maybe you ought to go suck up to the Canucks fans, I am sure with your devotion to Brad May, you will be welcomed by clever posters like Canucks19.

i am personally indifferent to may, he is a dime a dozen in the league but rare on the avs roster thus i think the debate. until our gm gets someone better to do his job were stuck with "the need" for him. while we may have lappy doing the same role, we need someone to take the workload of fights off lappy, as it takes away from the other valuable aspects lappy brings to the game, lappy shouldnt be fighting more than 5-7 times a year, it screws up his hands and takes him away from the ice for 5mins. guite brings the same energy and adds a bit more scoring touch, but i dont think he is going to drop the gloves anytime soon, same for rycroft. these players bring very similar aspects to the game, but may has that x-factor of being able to drop the gloves at the drop off the hat for a teammate. the avs need an barnaby/avery type and also id like to see them acquire a pure enforcer who only dresses for half the season games, for games where we could use a fight or two.

id like us to get a boogard/godard type enforcer and a barnaby/avery type antangoist in the summer.

may needs to be let go in the summer for someone younger that can his job just as well.

may needs to be let go in the summer for someone younger that can his job just as well.
I know Puxatawny Phil predicted an early srping, but I don't think Summer will be here by next Tuesday.

I agree we need someone who plays the game like May, just not him! Pick a player from any other team, one who wasn't involved in a case filed in Dr. Burkes cabinet! That's right, I haven't forgiven, nor forgotten:madfire:

that's actually what i like about him.

Why? It never amounts to anything but turnovers.

Off the top of my head, Craig Adams, Sean Thorton, Scott Thorton, Villie Niemenen, Cris Niel, Scott Mellanby, Dallas Drake, tyson Nash.

Only Neil is a valid comparison, as he is a fighter, the others are not. And you listed a lot of third line players, May's a 4th line guy.

And Mellanby doesn't belong in that group, either - even at this point in his career. I'll bet you every single playoff team would take that guy on their roster.

May is Jim Cummins with mobility.

I'm no May fan, but that isn't a good comparison, either. May has much better skills than Cummins. Your Tyson Nash comparison is closest, though May has better skills than him, too.

May has decent stick skills for a 4th line guy (he was a good scorer as an amateur), decent speed when he wants to, good size, cycles the puck reasonably well. My problem with him is that he's really lazy. If he went all-out all of the time, he'd be a valuable 4th liner.

He was complicit in one assualt and had to settle another out of court.

Who gives a crap? Let it go.

In other words May is a great guy in the room, has good hands. Or Burke is the best GM in the league.

He may be a great guy in the room, and he's got decent hands for a 4th line guy. Frickin worlds better than Hinote's hands. If only May worked 2% as hard as Hinote did.

And Burke is a very good GM. Seems like kind of a cold-hearted snake sometimes, but a good GM.

-AB

Why? It never amounts to anything but turnovers.

umm, i haven't seen may play excessively sloppy since he got back from his shoulder injury. tonight was proof, he played very well.

and how does working your ass off equate to sloppy play?

He played well tonight, but he still doesn't belong on the second line. That's the true big knock on him in my eyes and it's not his fault.

He played well tonight, but he still doesn't belong on the second line. That's the true big knock on him in my eyes and it's not his fault.

edit: i get what you're saying, but he only played the 2nd line because svatos was scratched and wolski was getting his ice-time cut in the 2nd period.

never said he belonged on the 2nd line, just said i like his physical play and effort.

No, no, I agree. I was just adding to the topic. Not intended at anyone.

He's a fiesty player who gives effort and distracts/breaks opposing plays...or tries to anyway. He tried to make a hit on Phaneuf...the "impact" was absorbed immediately. :biglaugh:

Only Neil is a valid comparison, as he is a fighter, the others are not. And you listed a lot of third line players, May's a 4th line guy.That would make him the only invalid comparison.



Who gives a crap? Let it go.

He didn't take that advice after Naslund got hit.

He didn't take that advice after Naslund got hit.

seriously, the guy was just trying to punk aebischer throughout the whole steve moore game.

2 point night for Q's favorite thug.:sarcasm:

He helped set up Hejduk's second goal and also got the second assist for Joe's 600th. Again, I'm not saying he should be a second line winger but I am saying he's a better player than a few around here give him credit for.

Come on, May is giving the Avs a big heart, willingness to win any game, that's enough for me to see him part of our team.

Welcome back Brad !

He didn't take that advice after Naslund got hit.

For a couple of weeks.

The whole Bertuzzi-May-Naslund-Moore thing happened 3 YEARS AGO. Put it to bed.

-AB

Why not sign Bertuzzi when his back heals, eh?

Why not sign Bertuzzi when his back heals, eh?

While we are at it we should pick up McSorely as well.

I'm pretty happy with May and his play this year.

As far as has-been players who get a little dirt under their nails...I'd still like to have another Pepe around somewhere. He was huge for us in the playoffs even if inconsistent in the regular season.

For a couple of weeks.

The whole Bertuzzi-May-Naslund-Moore thing happened 3 YEARS AGO. Put it to bed.

-ABYeah May, Bertuzzi, Burke, et al. ran off like chicken****s, that should give them amnesty.

While we are at it we should pick up McSorely as well.Matvichuk and Brashear should be available.

BTW great hands on that breakaway.

Brad May had a good night last night. Be fair.

He distracted Phaneuf--even hit him solidly! and helped lead the team to a goal by uncaught goaltender interference.

Yeah May, Bertuzzi, Burke, et al. ran off like chicken****s, that should give them amnesty.


I see that you're going to be as pathetic as those Red Wings' fans who still - to this day - bring up the Lemieux hit on Draper like it happened last week.

It's done and three years gone. Enjoy stewing about it.

By the way, I'm going to start a petition to get Tony Granato out of coaching because of his high sticking incident against Neil Wilkinson in 1994. That cannot be forgotten!!!!!!! Never ever!!!!

Sheesh.

-AB

I see that you're going to be as pathetic as those Red Wings' fans who still - to this day - bring up the Lemieux hit on Draper like it happened last week.

It's done and three years gone. Enjoy stewing about it.

By the way, I'm going to start a petition to get Tony Granato out of coaching because of his high sticking incident against Neil Wilkinson in 1994. That cannot be forgotten!!!!!!! Never ever!!!!

Sheesh.

-ABYou want to lecture on the virtues of forgiveness start over on the Vancouver board. Frankly I'm sick of being faulted for having the gaul to protest others inflicting their abominable behavior upon.

You want to lecture on the virtues of forgiveness start over on the Vancouver board. Frankly I'm sick of being faulted for having the gaul to protest others inflicting their abominable behavior upon.

Actually, regardless of our points of view, I'd like to apologize. I just re-read my last post, and that came across *way* harsher than I meant it to.

-AB

And OJ ain't a murder.
He was named in a court case and settled yet another givien the ridiculously low standards Canuckleheads are held too around here I'd doubt it. Fact is he set a bounty and then said player was attacked and he's weaseled out of standing up for what he did.

Being named in a lawsuit means nothing. As the saying goes "Everyone can be sued." Can you prove that May actually settled his lawsuit with Moore? I have read nothing about it. I just know that Moore stopped naming May as a defendant because his case was weak. And in a civil lawsuit, people often settle cases not because they're admitting that they're wrong, but because it's not worth the expense of litigating the issue.

I haven't followed up on May in a while, but I'm surprised anyone would describe him as having a pretty good set of hands and not being a good fighter. May has had hands of stone for a while. He can still make you question why he didn't become a 2nd tier powerforward at times, but man he can't finish. In terms of fighting ability, I still think he is one of the best fighters in his weight class. He's just not capable of handling the heavyweights.

Being named in a lawsuit means nothing. As the saying goes "Everyone can be sued." Can you prove that May actually settled his lawsuit with Moore? I have read nothing about it. I just know that Moore stopped naming May as a defendant because his case was weak. And in a civil lawsuit, people often settle cases not because they're admitting that they're wrong, but because it's not worth the expense of litigating the issue.He settled and assult case with a cop from his stay in Phoenix.

I haven't followed up on May in a while, but I'm surprised anyone would describe him as having a pretty good set of hands and not being a good fighter. May has had hands of stone for a while. He can still make you question why he didn't become a 2nd tier powerforward at times, but man he can't finish. In terms of fighting ability, I still think he is one of the best fighters in his weight class. He's just not capable of handling the heavyweights.
He was terrible last year, McCarty wass about the only player he beat soundly.

Hasbro, just out of curiousity, have you ever hit or punched someone? Have you shook your fist at someone perhaps saying you would beat the person up or something like that and the other person believed you had the capability of doing so and therefore feared you?


He was terrible last year, McCarty wass about the only player he beat soundly.

Except for the the heavyweights, May did pretty well last year. He definitely beat more than one player soundly in a fight last season.

I've been biting my tongue here even though I started the tread. I've enjoyed reading all of your comments though.

May is not a 2nd liner...even though he has played and helped out there. It would be nice to have him AND and a true 2nd liner who could allow him to go back a third line checking role. He doesn't have scoring or finishing in his bag of tricks but he has made a couple of nice assists and he seems to be able to wreak a little havoc from time to time (with his play instead of with his words.) I simply like the guy and from what I've read and seen of him, think he's a good guy in the locker-room. I think the BS about a bounty was simply that...BS (it was a joke that took unintended consequences when Bert did what Bert did.) Some people got it and some simply won't be happy until he is retired and will probably still hold a grudge against him after that. If you fall into that category, God bless you, you have every right to feel that way as I do to feel that May is a good guy to have around.

As Bert would say..."It is...what it is."

My only question would be to those that hate him...do you truly dislike what he's done for the AVs or do you:

1. Don't like the way he's been played by Coach Q?
2. Just carrying a beef from the Burtuzzi v. Moore incident years ago that has blinded you to what May has tried to offer this team since he's been signed?
3. Honesty think we'd be better off with Scott Parker? Or...
4. Have an alternative in mind to fill the physical, energy guy role that has a bit of skill?

Personally, I'd understand 1 or 4 more. I wouldn't have been hurt if we'd found a way to let May go but keep Hinote. But I have a feeling those that don't like May fall into category 2. Parker was a pylon and I think most of us can agree on that...he was just never wrapped up in a law-suit involving an another player's actions. But let's face it Parker is a very poor man's May...even if his salary has been similar at times over the last five years.

This thread was not too bad until it got de-railed like every other Brad May thread around hfboards.com seems to do.

All in all it is nice seeing him with Stastny and Hejduk last weekend. Good to see the Avs staff showing some faith in the old guy.

Hasbro, just out of curiousity, have you ever hit or punched someone? Have you shook your fist at someone perhaps saying you would beat the person up or something like that and the other person believed you had the capability of doing so and therefore feared you?Yeah. What I haven't done is been a party to someone losing their livelyhood, recieved a debilitating injury, been sued, slugged a cop, been arrested...

It would be something if any of these weasels had lifted a finger in the 3 years to make ammends for what they did, but beyond false and hollow words of contrition everyone is still waiting.

Yeah. What I haven't done is been a party to someone losing their livelyhood, recieved a debilitating injury, been sued, slugged a cop, been arrested...

It would be something if any of these weasels had lifted a finger in the 3 years to make ammends for what they did, but beyond false and hollow words of contrition everyone is still waiting.

So I'm guessing that's a YES to my questions? May "allegedly" was a party to someone losing their livelihood etc. The "slugged a cop" part really is the only bad conduct.

So I'm guessing that's a YES to my questions? May "allegedly" was a party to someone losing their livelihood etc. The "slugged a cop" part really is the only bad conduct.
I know you apologists try and play dumb about that, but May blabbing to the press that there's a bounty on someone who one of his confederates would later injure makes it pretty obvious.

Really if there's some explination for this and it's just a big misunderstanding he could go to the press and clear his name at any time.

I know you apologists try and play dumb about that, but May blabbing to the press that there's a bounty on someone who one of his confederates would later injure makes it pretty obvious.

Really if there's some explination for this and it's just a big misunderstanding he could go to the press and clear his name at any time.

Perhaps he understands that no matter what he does/did/will do, there are a bunch of folks on hockey boards who still wouldn't let it go.

-AB

Perhaps he understands that no matter what he does/did/will do, there are a bunch of folks on hockey boards who still wouldn't let it go.

-AB

or certain columnists in this town...ie Dave Krieger

Perhaps he understands that no matter what he does/did/will do, there are a bunch of folks on hockey boards who still wouldn't let it go.

-ABthink it might mitigate the sitution?

think it might mitigate the sitution?

See, there's the rub: To me, there's nothing whatsoever to mitigate.

To you, there apparently is.

If *you* decided to let it go, it would 'mitigate' the situation too, no?

-AB

See, there's the rub: To me, there's nothing whatsoever to mitigate.

To you, there apparently is.

If *you* decided to let it go, it would 'mitigate' the situation too, no?

-ABYes it is as if Bertuzzi had crushed a bug.:shakehead

Again May apologists should hardly be faulting anyone for a lack of forgivness, should they?

or certain columnists in this town...ie Dave Krieger

Certain people - in this forum or certain columnists - won't let it go no matter what.

Bertuzzi apologized and cried on national TV, and those people didn't believe the sincerity of the apology, and didn't let it go.

Brad May, after speaking in anger, has been on the Avs team for the past couple of years and been (as far as we can tell) nothing short of a great teammate, yet these people didn't let it go.

Three years have passed, yet these people didn't let it go.

I still hear Wings' fans bark about the Draper/Lemieux incident, even though a decade has passed.

Bottom line is that guys like Hasbro and Krieger aren't going to EVER let it go, no matter what anyone says/does/apologizes for/over umpteen years after the fact. If May *did* get up at this point and apologize, they'd find some other reason to keep this silliness alive.

Sad, but true.

-AB

Certain people - in this forum or certain columnists - won't let it go no matter what.

Bertuzzi apologized and cried on national TV, and those people didn't believe the sincerity of the apology, and didn't let it go.Yeah why's that? Because he tried to crack open his head a few days previous?

And that's sopposed to get him off the hook "gee sorry I ended your career." Have they done ANYTHING beyond some BS contrition to make ammends for what they did?

And really shouldn't the Canucks have let what Moore did go? He was reasonably apologetic, but it didn't stop those hyterically ninnies from letting it go.

And next time a pin drops in the press surrounding this issue watch who reacts arround here. It's not Avs fans.

Brad May, after speaking in anger, has been on the Avs team for the past couple of years and been (as far as we can tell) nothing short of a great teammate, yet these people didn't let it go.

Three years have passed, yet these people didn't let it go.

I still hear Wings' fans bark about the Draper/Lemieux incident, even though a decade has passed.

Bottom line is that guys like Hasbro and Krieger aren't going to EVER let it go, no matter what anyone says/does/apologizes for/over umpteen years after the fact. If May *did* get up at this point and apologize, they'd find some other reason to keep this silliness alive.

Sad, but true.

-ABthis goes beyond hockey. It's about the most basic of morals, which May has shown lacking.

I'd like to jump in and give my 2 cents.

Speaking for myself, as a long time Avs fan my perspective and general experience is made up from the collective history of the team. This is why I still get riled up for Wings games, even though the rivalry among the players is now non-existent. It's why I still hate Darren McCarty- and took some pleasure in hearing about him having to pawn his Stanley Cup rings due to bankruptcy. And, its why I still hate May.

Saying May is just another player on the team is like saying Ray Bourque was just another rental. It’s the role that Bourque played in Avalanche lore that makes him special to Avs fans. Similarly, the role that May played in Avalanche lore that has earned him every bit Avs fan's ire.

For me, hating May isn’t really about waiting for an apology, its more about not forgetting what he has meant to our team’s history.

2. Just carrying a beef from the May/Bertuzzi v. Moore incident.

That would be the reason for me. I don't forgive and forget, and I hold grudges for a looong time.

I know you apologists try and play dumb about that, but May blabbing to the press that there's a bounty on someone who one of his confederates would later injure makes it pretty obvious.

Really if there's some explination for this and it's just a big misunderstanding he could go to the press and clear his name at any time.

I'm still hoping that you would answer my prior question about whether you have punched someone etc. I can understand if you want to avoid answering the question though.

I think there is a problem with your logic there. In sport, when a player says "I'm going to get him next time... He better keep his head up... There's going to be a bounty on his head..." Do you really believe that that meant the other player would be attacked in an illegal way? I don't think a reasonably prudent person would. You know why stars and pests tend to be the target of the biggest hits? It's because they are targets and guys are out to get them. By placing a bounty on Moore's head, we can probably reasonably assume that May meant that the team is going to try to take him out with a big hit or something. What transpired is history, but it was not for a lack of effort to get Moore in a legal way. There is a superseding cause between May placing a bounty on Moore and the assault. If you said "Steve is going to get himself killed soon" and then a friend of yours ends up killing Steve, does that automatically make you a party to this murder then?

Yeah why's that? Because he tried to crack open his head a few days previous?

But as of February 22nd 2007, it's not 'a few days previous'. It's three years previous, and here you are...

And that's sopposed to get him off the hook "gee sorry I ended your career." Have they done ANYTHING beyond some BS contrition to make ammends for what they did?

See, there you go. Seems to me that Bert apologized, you don't wish to accept that. Cool, your choice. But, what I see is that there's nothing Bert could ever do to get you to let it go. Nothing. He could come out and give Moore a few million of his bucks, and you'd still have a problem with it. He could become a Baptist minister talking to young people about how abhorrent violence is - you'd still have a problem with it...

this goes beyond hockey. It's about the most basic of morals, which May has shown lacking.

So, you have a similar obsession with the other 3 or so billion people who display the occasional 'lack of basic morals'? You must be a pretty busy fellow...

-AB

I'm still hoping that you would answer my prior question about whether you have punched someone etc. I can understand if you want to avoid answering the question though.I did. Anytime you want to answer ANY question I've asked in this thread feel free.

I think there is a problem with your logic there. In sport, when a player says "I'm going to get him next time... He better keep his head up... There's going to be a bounty on his head..." Do you really believe that that meant the other player would be attacked in an illegal way? I don't think a reasonably prudent person would. You know why stars and pests tend to be the target of the biggest hits? It's because they are targets and guys are out to get them. By placing a bounty on Moore's head, we can probably reasonably assume that May meant that the team is going to try to take him out with a big hit or something. What transpired is history, but it was not for a lack of effort to get Moore in a legal way. There is a superseding cause between May placing a bounty on Moore and the assault. If you said "Steve is going to get himself killed soon" and then a friend of yours ends up killing Steve, does that automatically make you a party to this murder then?Big coincidence. :rolleyes:

Again if this is just a big misunderstanding why doesn't May publically clear his name?

But as of February 22nd 2007, it's not 'a few days previous'. It's three years previous, and here you are...So what's the statute of limitations. We know it's more than two weeks.



See, there you go. Seems to me that Bert apologized, you don't wish to accept that. Cool, your choice. But, what I see is that there's nothing Bert could ever do to get you to let it go. Nothing. He could come out and give Moore a few million of his bucks, and you'd still have a problem with it. He could become a Baptist minister talking to young people about how abhorrent violence is - you'd still have a problem with it...Yeah he COULD, but he HASN'T. What has he done outside of shed some crocodile tears trying to avoid the league taking him to the woodshed? Has he put any substence beyond, gee I'm sorry.

Bertuzzi, May, Burke, Crawford haven't lifted a finger to rectify the situation. Settle the suit, admit responcibility, stop shifting blame... nothing!


So, you have a similar obsession with the other 3 or so billion people who display the occasional 'lack of basic morals'? You must be a pretty busy fellow...

-AB
Never seen me at the political forum have you?

I did. Anytime you want to answer ANY question I've asked in this thread feel free.

I guess I just have trouble comprehending your english then. Oh well... it's okay.

Big coincidence. :rolleyes:

Again if this is just a big misunderstanding why doesn't May publically clear his name?

So what's the statute of limitations. We know it's more than two weeks.

Why should May publically clear his name? He is under no duty to do that. Moore is no longer suing May, under your logic, did Moore clear May's name?

If Moore was to bring assault charges on Bertuzzi in Colorado today, I believe the statute of limitations for his claims, in Colorado at least, has already been run.

Bertuzzi, May, Burke, Crawford haven't lifted a finger to rectify the situation. Settle the suit, admit responcibility, stop shifting blame... nothing!

The decision to settle is almost never based on whether or not the defendant is trying to accept responsibility, accept blame, or to "rectify the situation" for the plaintiff. The decision to settle is based pretty much on money. Moore is asking for $18M and his parents are asking for $1.5M. Perhaps it's not the fact that Bertuzzi doesn't want to settle but Moore refuses to settle for anything less than a huge amount of money?

According to Bruce Garrioch, the Senators are looking at May.

Yes, we've discussed that in our Trades Rumors/Transactions thread.