Fighters

Does anyone think we should get another big hitter/fighter. But this one, unliek cam, should be trusted by the team to play in big games or in 3rd periods. anyone?

theres really no point of getting another fighter.

no point we have tons of players that can drop the gloves if needed to.

Looks like Chris Neil's ice time has been affected pretty significantly (for the worse) since the arrival of Comrie and return of Spezza.

no point we have tons of players that can drop the gloves if needed to.

More like tons of players that could take a beating. FYI if this was true why didn't anyone drop em in the Philly game? Rascrap is a total waste of space. Cam brings toughness and hitting ability to the Devs. Maybe if Julien changes his tampon once in a while he would see this. Oh well it'll just take a KO of Brodeur, Elias, or Gomer for Cam to dress. :shakehead

i just posetd this cuz ive heard devs fans say that we ave tons of fighters, but we never fight. Cam is a rare dress now and he was up for the ranger game and logged 2 shifts of ice time. i think we should bring in a 4th liner that can play the game and fights. idk, maybe we dont need one but i feel we dont have a physical presence in a game.

i just posetd this cuz ive heard devs fans say that we ave tons of fighters, but we never fight. Cam is a rare dress now and he was up for the ranger game and logged 2 shifts of ice time. i think we should bring in a 4th liner that can play the game and fights. idk, maybe we dont need one but i feel we dont have a physical presence in a game.

I have to agree with you on this matter.

Back in 2002, we had a 4th line of Stevenson, Danton, McKenzie. Although short lived, when they went out onto the ice, Danton would hit everyone, spray ice into the goalie's face, pretty much do whatever he could to tick everyone off on the other team.

Result, they'd focus more on going after him. (Danton was better at it than Sean Avery is today, but Sean is close) So when the opposing team would go after him, Big Jim & Turner had his back. (Although to his credit, Danton would never turn down a fight) Plus, we had White, Daneyko & Stevens to back all of them up! More importantly, he took the opposing team's focus off the game!

Janssen needs to be in the line-up for every game. Despite our winning ways, we've been pushed around too much. Not to forget, the low points of the game where I even fell asleep watching them. Why, no excitement. I salivate at the idea of knowing that there is the strong chance that our 4th line next season is Clarkson, Janssen & Voros/Rupp/Pelley. To me, that equates to fun hockey!!! Rough, hard-hitting, heroes & villains type hockey. The Western Conference has the toughness now, while the East has gone soft.

We also have a soft defense. OK, White will fight when needed. Luko lately has been laying out a big hit here & there (about time somebody on the D, besides White's occasional hit) & we've yet to see Oduya really unload on somebody. But none of it matters because our lousy coach is a preacher of Defense, Defense, Defense. Which is fine, but come on already.

My point is that Julien crams into their heads (our D-men) about how important we need them in the game & to stay in position & play smart. So, overall (this season) our defensive guys; barely hit, don't fight, almost never forecheck, rarely ever shoot the puck on goal, etc. Why? Because they're told, "We have forwards who do that, you guys need to be in POSITION!!!" Thus, a steady, lackluster bunch that no team fears & because of the coach's pressure; they'll be burnt out just in time for the playoffs only to get smeared all over the place because of exhaustion & whimpiness.

I'm telling as the sky is blue, this coach is going to blow the cup for us this year. And that will be an absolute shame & waste of a good year.

I’m sincerely hope he proves me wrong.

Whens Johnny Oduya gonna beat someone up, like he did back in his days in Sweden?

1. Oduya is the kind of loyal team guy who strictly follows the orders from his coach.

2. This is the NHL, not Sweden and he lacks of size. He may beat some guys because of his intensity but he will also get beaten, definately.

3. It would be Very fun watching him fight ;-)

Whens Johnny Oduya gonna beat someone up, like he did back in his days in Sweden?

Oduya would lose a fight against his shadow.

Johnny Oduya 6.0' -- Weight 195

Scott Stevens 6.0' -- Weight 200

Hmmmmmm...not much of a size difference there.

And I disagree, I think that Oduya would win 60-70% his fights should it ever happen.

Johnny Oduya 6.0' -- Weight 195

Scott Stevens 6.0' -- Weight 200

Hmmmmmm...not much of a size difference there.

And I disagree, I think that Oduya would win 60-70% his fights should it ever happen.
In Sweden Johnny was very intensive in his fights and I don't think he lost one single fight (if I'm wrong I hope somebody will correct me). But it's a bad measurement because fights in swedish hockey are very, very, very rare....

For me is it a dissapointment that Johnny hasn't fought yet. I'm looking forward to it! Because he is so fun watching... hehe

It doesn't seem like Johnny is loooking at himself like a fighter though. He doesn't have this role for the Devils he says. These days he is more focused on playing defensive hockey. But he clearly admits that he is a loyal player who stand up for his team mates though (fights included).

Johnny was a complete different player in Frolunda comparing to playing for coach Wikegard in Djurgarden. Ok, he had a fight or two in Frolunda but Wikegard clearly wanted Oduya to take some fights and he did (especially during the lockout season when he faced quite a lot of NHL'ers).

and don't forget, his big brother Fredrik actually fought guys like Laraque in the minors. Unfortunately Fredrik had some serious injuries, otherwise he would have made it to the NHL. But my point is that Johnny has it in his blood. ;-) (ok, exaggerating a little bit)

I'm more interested in "team toughness", which is really a measurement of how tough each player is on the team. The way I see it, if you have a scrum on the ice you have three kinds of players: Skate-awayers, Push-and-shovers, and Glove-droppers. Skate-awayers will push just enough to get out of the scrum and won't ever drop the gloves. Push-and-shovers will push and shove until broken up by a ref/linesman or the other guy backs down. They don't drop the gloves, but you could see it happening maybe once in their careers if pushed. If there's a scrum going on, they might be pushing to get in it. Glove droppers are just that - they don't take crap from anyone.

Here's how I categorize the Devils players:

Skate-Awayers:
Elias
Brylin
Zajac
Pandolfo
Parise
Rafalski
Martin

Push-and-shovers
Gomez
Gionta
Langenbrunner
Madden
Dowd
Oduya (though potential glove-dropper)
Hale
Lukowich

Glove-droppers
Rupp
Jannsen
Rassmusin
White

That's not so bad, really. I'd rate this team a B- on team toughness. Maybe a C+. I'd like to see more pushers-and-shovers.

I'm more interested in "team toughness", which is really a measurement of how tough each player is on the team. The way I see it, if you have a scrum on the ice you have three kinds of players: Skate-awayers, Push-and-shovers, and Glove-droppers. Skate-awayers will push just enough to get out of the scrum and won't ever drop the gloves. Push-and-shovers will push and shove until broken up by a ref/linesman or the other guy backs down. They don't drop the gloves, but you could see it happening maybe once in their careers if pushed. If there's a scrum going on, they might be pushing to get in it. Glove droppers are just that - they don't take crap from anyone.

Here's how I categorize the Devils players:

Skate-Awayers:
Elias
Brylin
Zajac
Pandolfo
Parise
Rafalski
Martin

Push-and-shovers
Gomez
Gionta
Langenbrunner
Madden
Dowd
Oduya (though potential glove-dropper)
Hale
Lukowich

Glove-droppers
Rupp
Jannsen
Rassmusin
White

That's not so bad, really. I'd rate this team a B- on team toughness. Maybe a C+. I'd like to see more pushers-and-shovers.

i would Brylin in Push-and-shovers because he has had 1 fight this year, and hes getting angry when players start pushing him now.

i would Brylin in Push-and-shovers because he has had 1 fight this year, and hes getting angry when players start pushing him now.

Yeah, I kinda struggled with him. I was trying not to be overly optimistic in my assessment though.

i would Brylin in Push-and-shovers because he has had 1 fight this year, and hes getting angry when players start pushing him now.
Yeah, I'd move Brylin and also move Hale into the glove-droppers.

Hale needs to remove his helmet as well as his gloves.

He injured his eye in pre-season. Not sure how many haymakers it would to sideline him again.

Ditto for White's groin.

Ian Laperierre. 102 PIMS (14 fighting majors), 18 points, tough as nails.

Rassmussen + Hale/Pick? We only need to clear about $325K in space for the remainder of his salary.

Rupp-Dowd-Laperierre would be a tough and defensively liable 4th line that could even chip a few in.

Ian Laperierre. 102 PIMS (14 fighting majors), 18 points, tough as nails.

Rassmussen + Hale/Pick? We only need to clear about $325K in space for the remainder of his salary.

Rupp-Dowd-Laperierre would be a tough and defensively liable 4th line that could even chip a few in.

If we could get away with that, and the cap situation would allow it. I would be all for that trade. Although I don't think it is essential that the Devils pick up that type of player I do believe it would be a nice addition.

We don't need to trade away for toughness, we just need to play him...Janssen.

Plus, we have toughness coming up to the Devils via our farm team with Clarkson & Voros for next season.

In addition, add into the mix for the near future; Corrente, Tulupov, Fraser on defense & down the road on left wing, Kyle Henegan.

I have to agree with you on this matter.

Back in 2002, we had a 4th line of Stevenson, Danton, McKenzie. Although short lived, when they went out onto the ice, Danton would hit everyone, spray ice into the goalie's face, pretty much do whatever he could to tick everyone off on the other team.

Result, they'd focus more on going after him. (Danton was better at it than Sean Avery is today, but Sean is close) So when the opposing team would go after him, Big Jim & Turner had his back. (Although to his credit, Danton would never turn down a fight) Plus, we had White, Daneyko & Stevens to back all of them up! More importantly, he took the opposing team's focus off the game!

Janssen needs to be in the line-up for every game. Despite our winning ways, we've been pushed around too much. Not to forget, the low points of the game where I even fell asleep watching them. Why, no excitement. I salivate at the idea of knowing that there is the strong chance that our 4th line next season is Clarkson, Janssen & Voros/Rupp/Pelley. To me, that equates to fun hockey!!! Rough, hard-hitting, heroes & villains type hockey. The Western Conference has the toughness now, while the East has gone soft.

We also have a soft defense. OK, White will fight when needed. Luko lately has been laying out a big hit here & there (about time somebody on the D, besides White's occasional hit) & we've yet to see Oduya really unload on somebody. But none of it matters because our lousy coach is a preacher of Defense, Defense, Defense. Which is fine, but come on already.

My point is that Julien crams into their heads (our D-men) about how important we need them in the game & to stay in position & play smart. So, overall (this season) our defensive guys; barely hit, don't fight, almost never forecheck, rarely ever shoot the puck on goal, etc. Why? Because they're told, "We have forwards who do that, you guys need to be in POSITION!!!" Thus, a steady, lackluster bunch that no team fears & because of the coach's pressure; they'll be burnt out just in time for the playoffs only to get smeared all over the place because of exhaustion & whimpiness.

I'm telling as the sky is blue, this coach is going to blow the cup for us this year. And that will be an absolute shame & waste of a good year.

I’m sincerely hope he proves me wrong.Julien coaches the D this way because we don't Have any talent on the blue line like we used to (Stevens /Neidermeyer) however look at are GAA everybody playing their roles were having a damm good season. Im a big fan of Cam and would love to see more fights but it's not 1979 we have enough team toughness.Just play Cam more!!!:yo:

We don't need to trade away for toughness, we just need to play him...Janssen.

Plus, we have toughness coming up to the Devils via our farm team with Clarkson & Voros for next season.

In addition, add into the mix for the near future; Corrente, Tulupov, Fraser on defense & down the road on left wing, Kyle Henegan.

You would feel comfortable with Cam ****ing Janssen on the 4th line in the PLAYOFFS?! He maybe a good novelty for the regular season, but if he sees ice in the playoffs I won't watch a game.

You would feel comfortable with Cam ****ing Janssen on the 4th line in the PLAYOFFS?! He maybe a good novelty for the regular season, but if he sees ice in the playoffs I won't watch a game.

I take it you didn't watch the 9 games he suited up in last year.

I thought Marshall or Lacouture have the skill and experience to skate a regular shift in the 3rd period.

I saw Clarkson play yesterday in Providence. He likes to yap. He played on one of the two top lines and did pretty well, I thought. Likes to camp out in front of the net it looks like. Pelley also looked like a player. He had two goals. Voros has size, but he looks kind of awkward on his skates. I don't know if he has the skating ability to regularly execute big checks against quicker/smarter guys in the NHL, or the ability to keep up in general. If I had to guess, I think Clarkson will be a NHL regular in time.....but I'm no NHL scout so I don't know.

During Islanders GameNight, they showed these stats from the Elias Sports Bureau. It shows the amount of fights per game for every five year interval over the last 20 years. I thought it was interesting, and it kind of fits in this thread.

FIGHTS IN THE NHL
SEASON|PER GAME
1986-87|2.0
1991-92|1.8
1996-97|1.7
2001-02|1.3
2006-07|0.8

You would feel comfortable with Cam ****ing Janssen on the 4th line in the PLAYOFFS?! He maybe a good novelty for the regular season, but if he sees ice in the playoffs I won't watch a game.I think you're watching too much basketball. Hockey is still a tough. You need a guy like Cam-Bam to go out a few shifts a night and finish his checks. If the reason should arise, he needs to drop the gloves.

Like Sandmachine wrote, there was absolutely no problem with Janssen in the Rangers series or even in the Carolina series.

so how come Clarkson doesn't get a chance????
When Janssen played 9 games with Lowell, he scored 1 assist and with 29 pims and was minus 1.....meanwhile Clarkson, same age, bigger has played 44 games with 14 goals, 13 assists, 114 pims and plus 5....seems to be deserving of an opportunity...
is this another salary cap issue?

so how come Clarkson doesn't get a chance????
When Janssen played 9 games with Lowell, he scored 1 assist and with 29 pims and was minus 1.....meanwhile Clarkson, same age, bigger has played 44 games with 14 goals, 13 assists, 114 pims and plus 5....seems to be deserving of an opportunity...
is this another salary cap issue?

Yes.

He's not a fighter, but he is tough and a proven playoff performer only making 975K so maybe we can fit him...Martin Gelinas, anyone?

You would feel comfortable with Cam ****ing Janssen on the 4th line in the PLAYOFFS?! He maybe a good novelty for the regular season, but if he sees ice in the playoffs I won't watch a game.

Cam is an upgrade over Peluso and last time I checked we did a pretty good run with him in the line up. Have you seen Cam take stupid penalties that would justify him not playing? He brings much more of a presence than Rassbum.

No we have 4 guys that are willing to drop the gloves. Cam is the only one that does it on a regular basis but if a guy was doing something he shouldn't be doing, we have Rupp White and Hale to step in.