Stuart to Flames

The Calgary Flames have picked up defenceman Brad Stuart, centre Wayne Primeau and a conditional draft pick from the Boston Bruins for winger Chuck Kobasew and defenceman Andrew Ference.




ill settle for Brewer :)

Boo.

Seriously, our offer was better than that.

Damn you, Everson! :sarcasm:

Didn't Kobasew just break his elbow?

So Joe Thornton for Marco Sturm, Chuck Kobasew and Andrew Ference?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Seriously, our offer was better than that.
Yeah, last year we could have offered them Ference too...Brad Ference. :sarcasm:

Damn, Flames have really got some bruisers now.....Stuart, Dion, Robin

There were talks that Stuart would end up with a Western team. After the season though he may end up in LA with his former GM from San Jose.

Calgary might just rival Anaheim on defense now.

Calgary might just rival Anaheim on defense now.

Niedermayer and Pronger vs Stuart, Phaneuf and Regher? Sorry, I'd still take Anahiem by miles.

Calgary might just rival Anaheim on defense now.

Better, while Anaheim is studly with Niedermayer and Pronger, it trails off with their 3 and 4. While Anaheim boasts Sean O'Donnell and Francois Beauchemin as their 2nd pairing Calgary goes with Hamrlik and Stuart

Niedermayer >>>>>> Regher
Pronger > Phaneuf
Stuart >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beauchemin
Hamrlik >>>>>> O'Donnell

Mission, you've got to look at overall defense, especially the top 4, Calgary's top 4 is better than Anaheims.

When you consider that both Niedermayer and Pronger can play half the game each I don't even think its a question. For defensemen I think top end talent is much more important because defensemen typically can log more minutes than forwards. Just look at Rafalski logging 36 minutes a couple weeks ago. I'd go to war with Prongermayer before than anyone else.

When you consider that both Niedermayer and Pronger can play half the game each I don't even think its a question. For defensemen I think top end talent is much more important because defensemen typically can log more minutes than forwards. Just look at Rafalski logging 36 minutes a couple weeks ago. I'd go to war with Prongermayer before than anyone else.

That's the thing...Phaneuf and Regher are durable enough to handle the same minutes, there's no question that ProngerMayer trumps ReNeuf but O'DoChemin can't hold a candle to StuarLik therefore based on overall defense, I'll take CGY

Wow...this sucks for Boston fans, but I'm laughing my ass off at the few posters that were tossing around names like Parise and Zajac for Stuart.

Wow...this sucks for Boston fans, but I'm laughing my ass off at the few posters that were tossing around names like Parise and Zajac for Stuart.

It's alright for boston fans. Calgary has the edge in the trade but Kobasew is a quick talented young player with tons of potential. His size limits his ability though. Ference is a hard working defenceman who rarely makes mistakes. He is not very big either. I don't know what Primeau is like, never really seen too much of him.

So Joe Thornton for Marco Sturm, Chuck Kobasew and Andrew Ference?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It's hard to quantity a trade like that in the salary cap era. Thornton is making big money and will be making even bigger money the year after next. Without Thornton, Boston was able to afford Chara and/or Savard. Savard is playing lights out in Boston this year and is definitely looking better than Thornton did in Boston last season before the trade. Chara speaks for himself and is definitely a key piece going forward.

To top it all off, we just got a young speedster who put up 20 goals last year and a solid #4/5 defenseman who has been averaging around 18 minutes a game for a solid Calgary team. Ference is signed for under 2M through 2009-2010 and Kobesew is a restricted free-agent when his contract is up.

How is it not a good deal for Boston?

p.s. We're still likely to get a 2nd rounder or something similar for Sturm.

trading the MVP of the league is never a good thing


but thats just me

It's hard to quantity a trade like that in the salary cap era. Thornton is making big money and will be making even bigger money the year after next. Without Thornton, Boston was able to afford Chara and/or Savard. Savard is playing lights out in Boston this year and is definitely looking better than Thornton did in Boston last season before the trade. Chara speaks for himself and is definitely a key piece going forward.

To top it all off, we just got a young speedster who put up 20 goals last year and a solid #4/5 defenseman who has been averaging around 18 minutes a game for a solid Calgary team. Ference is signed for under 2M through 2009-2010 and Kobesew is a restricted free-agent when his contract is up.

How is it not a good deal for Boston?

p.s. We're still likely to get a 2nd rounder or something similar for Sturm.

I don't know man, sounds like that's just grasping for anything. It's not overly terrible, but even then in a cap era, the Thrashers and Sens dealt A for A not A for two B-'s and a C.

I don't know man, sounds like that's just grasping for anything. It's not overly terrible, but even then in a cap era, the Thrashers and Sens dealt A for A not A for two B-'s and a C.

It's not grasping when it's completely true. With Thornton, there is no Chara, without Chara there probably isn't Savard because the Chara signing helped him make his choice.

Sure the Sens and Thashers did an A for A, and then look what happened, the Sens were unable to afford to keep Chara. Thanks for making my point. :)

they werent going to be able to afford to keep him anyways....

trading the MVP of the league is never a good thing


but thats just me

He wasn't an MVP when he was traded. He wasn't playing like one in Boston either. Thornton's lucky he got his MVP/scoring title when he did, because with Crosby, Ovechkin, etc. all making their marks, his MVP days are probably over and that's not an insult to Thornton either. These kids are just too damn good.

Taking it a step further, the loss of Thornton helped the Bruins finish in bottom of the league which allowed them to draft Phil Kessel. Any way you slice it, Boston was not doing anything last season with or without Thornton.

they werent going to be able to afford to keep him anyways....

Well that's part of the whole point. You can't have an unlimited about of stars anymore. Pick and choose because there's not enough cap room.

they werent going to be able to afford to keep him anyways....

Right and we would just stock pile the PBruins. If one looks at them one can see there are enough players already to get a chance of their own why trade for more?

It's alright for boston fans. Calgary has the edge in the trade but Kobasew is a quick talented young player with tons of potential. His size limits his ability though. Ference is a hard working defenceman who rarely makes mistakes. He is not very big either. I don't know what Primeau is like, never really seen too much of him.

This is a good deal for both teams IMO. Especially with the conditional 1st the Flames will get if they don't re-sign Stuart. The Flames aren't likely to re-sign both Hamrlik and Stuart in the off-season so this deal gives the some more options in that regard.

As for now, Calgary's top 4 is a solid as anyones. Stuart will be playing with Regehr by all reports, which drops Warrener into a much more suitable #5 spot with Giordano.

Ference is under-sized, but he is also very underated. He is a great swing man. He can play 20+ minutes if need be, kill penalties, play the power play...Very well rounded defender and he's locked up for 3 more seasons...Kobasew still has a ton of upside, but he's just couldn't get on track in Calgary for some reason. Playing him with a guy like Begeron or Savard could help him realize his potential.

Bottom line for Devils fans, I don't think we could have offered this kind of a package to land Stuart, and to be honest, I wouldn't have wanted to give up that much to begin with. I'd rather get Matvichuk back than have to give up too much for a rental.

Will he be too expensive to sign over the summer?

Assuming we sign Gomez to his fair market value first.

Seriously, our offer was better than that.

you are kidding right?

Ferrence (27y.o.)>Hale(25y.o.)
Kobasew(24y.o.)>Tallackson(23y.o.)

Pelley would be a throw in

Kobasew and Ferrence are established NHLers at this point with much more upside, i dont think anyone would take Hale and Tallackson for Ferrence and Kobasew. i think this was a pretty good deal for boston. two youngish players under contract for afew years to come for an UFA and a dime a dozen grinder.