Is Ric Jackman the worst Dman this team has ever had?

Pavel Trnka is close.:banghead:

I vote for Mark Ferner or Anatoli Fedotov

Pavel Trnka is close.:banghead:


LOL, 3 games and you are calling him the worst ever?

Dare I nominate George Parros for worst enforcer ever? :eek:

How is Jackman worse than Huskins???

Dipenta looks like a dufus when hes skating and has no offensive upside, but hes the best defensively out of the 4. Obrien is well rounded but hes not quick enough to be use his size and he loses fights to guys like Tootoo. Jackman has the best offensive talent but hes a softy and he hasnt produced offensively.

Out of Huskins, Obrien, Dipenta, and Jackman... Huskins the worse... He always overcommits and falls on his *** because his skating is so deficient. And during the game he always coughs up the puck. He also isnt very physical so he really brings nothing to the table other than a decent point shot.

The ducks were lucky to get a point from Nashville. I think ducks really need Pronger and Beach back ASAP because the bottom four either cant skate well enough to handle the puck or hit anyone. They cant pass well either and the forwards cant attack as much because they have to help out their D.

Now I really see Prongers value and the differences between him and Scotty. Pronger brings a good transition game with his good passes and his point shot is one of the best in the game. Hes also a + dman (more so than Scotty, but i still think Scotty is more exciting watch).

Dirk, he's not even in the top10.

Jackman has been brutal, but the guy barely played this year in Florida. He rode the bench, then was sent to the best team in the league. It's pretty tough to shine in a new system when (1) you don't know the system and (2) you've barely played all year. I doubt that he fits in our long-term plans, but give the guy a break. I'd give any guy (who has played in the NHL for a while) ten games before I said he was worthless.

BTW, have you forgotten the likes of Jason York, Adrien Plavsek (sp?), Miles O'Connor. What about that former Islander---not J.J. Daigneault---who never made contact with an opposing team's player in the year or so that he was here?

Jackman has been brutal, but the guy barely played this year in Florida. He rode the bench, then was sent to the best team in the league. It's pretty tough to shine in a new system when (1) you don't know the system and (2) you've barely played all year. I doubt that he fits in our long-term plans, but give the guy a break. I'd give any guy (who has played in the NHL for a while) ten games before I said he was worthless.

Agree. I think he has the skillset to be a decent 3 pairing defenseman here when Prongs and Beauchemin come back. Give the man a break...he's played for some horrendous teams the past few seasons. It'll take him awhile to adjust to this winning thing (whenever that starts up again). I wouldn't mind:

Nieds-Beauchemin
Pronger-O'D
Jackman-O'B/Dipenta

I think ducks really need Pronger and Beach back ASAP because the bottom four either cant skate well enough to handle the puck or hit anyone. They cant pass well either and the forwards cant attack as much because they have to help out their D.



I tried to tell you (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=6332022#post6332022)

Ian Moran is pretty bad...

Ian Moran is no longer with the Pirates....

That situation will be resolved sometime this week....Burke was here on Saturday and they spoke.

Jackman was ok when he played for the Penguins, now i haven't seen him play for the Ducks, but he had a real good slapshot when he was with the pens, but thats not saying much since it was 3 years ago

I'll go with Dan Trebil. He was hopeless.

Nikolai Tsulygin wasn't very good.

Jackman was ok when he played for the Penguins, now i haven't seen him play for the Ducks, but he had a real good slapshot when he was with the pens, but thats not saying much since it was 3 years ago

The big question is...what has changed since he scored at a point a game clip in Pittsburgh after being traded from Toronto ? He was the second highest scoring blueliner over the last 23 games of the 2003-4 season accomplishing this in Pittsburgh before Crosby, Malkin or Staal arrived and without Mario also . He also played on a Gold medal team at the World Juniors as a member of Team Canada .

He played in Sweden during the lockout for a Division 2 team . That may have been the biggest mistake he has made over the past few years...that was regression in my opinion . He lost his ice time in Pittsburgh when Gonchar was signed and he also lost his confidence after ending up in the new management's doghouse .

He was then traded from Pittsburgh to Florida where he finished last season playing briefly as Florida was already out and wanted to look at a few kids instead . Along the way the Panther's fired Keenan who traded for Ric and installed a defensive specialist in Jacques Martin as GM who hated Jackman .

Jackman will never ever be a defensive specialist . I can't figure out why any coach would have him out there in situations late in a game . If any of these teams that have signed him had of watched any video they would have realized that by now . He needs some coaching and hopefully Carlye and Pronger and Niedermayer can make him a solid blueliner .

Sure he is playing terrible but I really believe with patience and some tutoring he will be a pleasent surprise for the Ducks . He has a cannon of a shot from the point and at one time in his career was very physical . A little confidence can go a long way and I think Brian Burke will come out ahead in this trade after he has about 20 games in under his belt with Carlyle and the others .

One thing I always wondered about is why no GM or coach has not used him up front as a winger since he can shoot and skate and has decent size ???

Dare I nominate George Parros for worst enforcer ever? :eek:

Worst in what way?

Fighting ability? He wins most of his fights.

Skill? He is definetly more skilled than Garrett Burnett...and he is potentially more skilled than guys like Stu Grimson, Todd Ewen, Kevin Sawyer and Ken Baumgartner.

Once Jackman stops worrying so much about being on this team and just calms down he could be pretty good. What's scary though his skating style and physical stature reminds of Ozo. Hopefully we can round him into an Ozo circa 03.

Kevin Haller gets my vote. That Roenick one handed thing still bugs me.

Worst in what way?

Fighting ability? He wins most of his fights.

Skill? He is definetly more skilled than Garrett Burnett...and he is potentially more skilled than guys like Stu Grimson, Todd Ewen, Kevin Sawyer and Ken Baumgartner.

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Well I know you like his facial hair I didn't know you thought highly of him as a hockey player.

To the OP: no. At least Jackman has talent, compared to some of the talentless "rim it around the boards" fringe NHL players we've had. Like Pepper said, he's not even top (or bottom) 10.

Well I know you like his facial hair I didn't know you thought highly of him as a hockey player.

Not highly. Just not that lowly. (Is that a word?)

My vote goes to Karpa. Awful, awful defenseman. He was entertaining sometimes but always crappy.

Even the series-winning goal vs. the Coyotes can't save him.

Kevin Haller gets my vote. That Roenick one handed thing still bugs me.

Haller?? He wasn't bad at all. Remember when he put Gretzky on his *** and that Nigerian N'Dur jumped in to teach Haller a lesson? Well obviously Ndur didn't get to Haller before Grimson intercepted him and beat him in to pulp.

My vote goes to Karpa. Awful, awful defenseman. He was entertaining sometimes but always crappy.

Even the series-winning goal vs. the Coyotes can't save him.

I remember when they used to have the 'meet the ducks' fan things at disneyland and i was probably 11-13 years old. I handed my hat to karpa to autograph and he's like "you already got me" and showed me where he had signed the hat before. Gotta do wonders for your self esteem when someone forgets they met you... :biglaugh:

Maybe haller wasn't 'that' bad but he got smoked a couple times and it always bugged me.

I did that at a wedding once. Said "pleased to meet you" three times to a woman I had met the month before. Ha. She didn't think it was funny after the second time.

Lol.

Anyways, when everyone was saying Kevin Haller, I was thinking Kevin Hatcher for some reason. I couldn't remember Hatcher playing for the Ducks. But anyways, Haller. It speaks volumes for the changes in the team when you think that Haller and Marshall used to be our "shutdown" defense pairing.

Haller was "ok", IMO. He was a very good skater, tough and all. But no way should he be an NHL top pairing defenseman. That might be why people remember him as worse than he really was. He was put in a role he shouldn't have been in.

My choice for worst D-man: Pavel Trnka. He was an excellent PK'er. Problem was he would kill the other team's penalty when he was on our power play unit. Skating around, crappy outlet passes, **** like that.

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Hilaroussss:biglaugh: !!!

Haller was "ok", IMO. He was a very good skater, tough and all. But no way should he be an NHL top pairing defenseman. That might be why people remember him as worse than he really was. He was put in a role he shouldn't have been in.


Story of this franchise, really. Dollas, Haller, LaDouceur, Tverdovsky, Carney.

The big question is...what has changed since he scored at a point a game clip in Pittsburgh after being traded from Toronto ? He was the second highest scoring blueliner over the last 23 games of the 2003-4 season accomplishing this in Pittsburgh before Crosby, Malkin or Staal arrived and without Mario also . He also played on a Gold medal team at the World Juniors as a member of Team Canada .

He played in Sweden during the lockout for a Division 2 team . That may have been the biggest mistake he has made over the past few years...that was regression in my opinion . He lost his ice time in Pittsburgh when Gonchar was signed and he also lost his confidence after ending up in the new management's doghouse .

He was then traded from Pittsburgh to Florida where he finished last season playing briefly as Florida was already out and wanted to look at a few kids instead . Along the way the Panther's fired Keenan who traded for Ric and installed a defensive specialist in Jacques Martin as GM who hated Jackman .

Jackman will never ever be a defensive specialist . I can't figure out why any coach would have him out there in situations late in a game . If any of these teams that have signed him had of watched any video they would have realized that by now . He needs some coaching and hopefully Carlye and Pronger and Niedermayer can make him a solid blueliner .

Sure he is playing terrible but I really believe with patience and some tutoring he will be a pleasent surprise for the Ducks . He has a cannon of a shot from the point and at one time in his career was very physical . A little confidence can go a long way and I think Brian Burke will come out ahead in this trade after he has about 20 games in under his belt with Carlyle and the others .

One thing I always wondered about is why no GM or coach has not used him up front as a winger since he can shoot and skate and has decent size ???

Dick Tarnstrom got 16 goals and 52 points for Pittsburgh the year Jackman was traded to them. That's how bad the rest of the team was. I think even Jon Sim got a decent amount of points for them lol.

Jackman's nothing special. But there are worse.

Also, at least five defensemen named in this thread were one-time Penguins. :shakehead

After Jackman's game today VS Dallas, I think he has settled down and is playing well. :)

After Jackman's game today VS Dallas, I think he has settled down and is playing well. :)

Yup. 2 assists for our "worst defenseman ever". :sarcasm:

I got to watch the game tonight, the first this season unfortunately, but I liked what I saw from Jackman and I was very surprised to see the bad comments about him on here. Personally I thought he was better then Huskins and Dipenta easily. But congrats to Joey for gettin the goal.

He looked much much better tonight. You could tell the first few games, he was was scared to do much, but tonight he was very aggressive and assertive. Great with passing and hitting.

He made a great play on the 1st goal, but he still can't get his slap shot on goal. Its either wide or blocked every time.

After the 1st few games, i could see why this guy was such a bust, but the coaching staff/team mates did a really good job with him. Big improvement.

I hope he keeps it up.

He made a great play on the 1st goal, but he still can't get his slap shot on goal. Its either wide or blocked every time.

This is something that the master of getting a slapshot through, Chris Pronger, may be able to help him on when he's healthy.

Jackman is far from the worst, I think you can attribute his early struggles mostly to rust and not being in game shape. Carlyle played him 20 minutes his first game, now the guy has what 4 points in the last 3 games? No he's not the best defensively but if he continues to improve and play well it gives us some flexibility to make a deal down the road.