Sundin to Anaheim?

Are those rumours for real? I mean, they have been floating around for quite some time now.

Would Anaheim really be willing to pay the price for Sundin? I don't know if they would. I'm not sure if they would have the assets that they would be willing to deal. Toronto would most likely want a 1st rounder, a great prospect and a roster player back, if not more. (Sundin IS worth at least that, check last years deal with Weight going to Carolina for comparison and Sundin is twice the player Weight is) Unfortunately Anaheim has no 1st round picks in the next couple of years so...what do they substitute?

Is there a deal to be made? Who knows? I'm just looking at an Anaheim Mighty Ducks fans perspective. Thanks in advance.

Cheers

Doubtful...But ya never know...

I seriously doubt the leafs are gonna get rid of their star player for free ud have to trade someone for him like pronger or scott neidermeyer or selanne

I seriously doubt the leafs are gonna get rid of their star player for free ud have to trade someone for him like pronger or scott neidermeyer or selanne

Sundin is not worth Pronger, Niedermayer or Selanne.

Besides the fact that he's going to be a UFA after this season.

I seriously doubt the leafs are gonna get rid of their star player for free ud have to trade someone for him like pronger or scott neidermeyer or selanne

This is laughable...:biglaugh:

Nobody in their right mind would trade any of those guys for Sundin...Even leaf fans arent that dense...or are they..... :dunno:

This is laughable...:biglaugh:

Nobody in their right mind would trade any of those guys for Sundin...Even leaf fans arent that dense...or are they..... :dunno:

The greatest part is all 3 of those guys have the same amount of points or more than Sundin. What do we gain by trading our most popular player who is tied for the West's scoring lead or one of the top 2 scoring defensemen in the league who are locked up to long term deals?

Right now there is not much more what to make better. Letś just hope all guys will stay healthy.

OMG you scared the hell out of me with your title, "Sundin to Anaheim"

I seriously doubt the leafs are gonna get rid of their star player for free ud have to trade someone for him like pronger or scott neidermeyer or selanne

Doubtful. Even as a leaf-fan, a swede and a fan of Mats I'd be a fool to demand a return like that. It might be argued that you could trade Mats for Teemu + a pick but what good would that do any of the teams? They'd be swapping 36 year olds (darn good ones, but still old)..

So no. You won't have to part with Pronger or Niedermeyer. You would, however, be forced to part with a high draft pick, a reasonably young roster player with decent potential and a high quality prospect, like Bobby Ryan.

I'd love if Mats could get traded to Anaheim. He deserves to play for a legit contender at least once in his career, imho.

I only see Sundin being traded if the Leafs fall out of the race and they decide they want to get some assets in return and attempt to re-sign him in the offseason.

and if I was Brian Burke I would find out if Sundin would consider anything past this year, he's not a UFA, he has an option but it's near 7 million dollars I think.

I only see Sundin being traded if the Leafs fall out of the race and they decide they want to get some assets in return and attempt to re-sign him in the offseason.

and if I was Brian Burke I would find out if Sundin would consider anything past this year, he's not a UFA, he has an option but it's near 7 million dollars I think.
I thought the Leafs had the option?

and if I was Brian Burke I would find out if Sundin would consider anything past this year, he's not a UFA, he has an option but it's near 7 million dollars I think.

An option at 7 million is the same as a UFA from the Ducks perspective. They don't have the cap space to eat that unless they part with Selanne and Giguere. Or one of the Norris brothers.

If these two teams were to deal, what would the potential deal be?

Like I mentioned before, Toronto would probably want a top notch prospect, a 1st and a NHL roster player in return for Sundin. Since you guys don't have a 1st in the next couple of years, what could be substituted in it's place? Would a deal like this be off? I'm just curious...

To Ana: Sundin, Aubin

To Tor: Penner/Perry, Ryan, Bryzgalov


Feel free to come up with your own ideas'. I'd love to hear them. I would like to have a calm, intelligent conversation with members of this board.

Cheers

If these two teams were to deal, what would the potential deal be?

Like I mentioned before, Toronto would probably want a top notch prospect, a 1st and a NHL roster player in return for Sundin. Since you guys don't have a 1st in the next couple of years, what could be substituted in it's place? Would a deal like this be off? I'm just curious...

To Ana: Sundin, Aubin

To Tor: Penner/Perry, Ryan, Bryzgalov


Feel free to come up with your own ideas'. I'd love to hear them. I would like to have a calm, intelligent conversation with members of this board.

Cheers


Whoa... I think we'd be extremely lucky to even get Perry for that.

To Ana: Sundin, Aubin

To Tor: Penner/Perry, Ryan, Bryzgalov


Way off...

Sundin for Ryan, 3rd pairing D-men or pick seems much more realistic IMO

Way off...

Sundin for Ryan, 3rd pairing D-men or pick seems much more realistic IMO



Sundin will attract much more of a return. Check out what St' Louis got for Weight last year ( and we all can agree that Sundin is a WAY better player than Weight)..

To Car: Weight

To StL: Jesse Boulerice, Mike Zigomanis, the rights to Magnus Kahnberg, a 1 st and a 4th round selections in 2006 and a 4th round selection in 2007.



With that being said, my proposal doesn't look that far off. Both Weight and Sundin were UFA's to be. Both will be considered rental players. In this deal, Anaheim would be that much closer to the cup, and that's what whatit's all about, right? The quest for the holy grail.

To Ana: Sundin, Aubin

To Tor: Penner/Perry, Ryan, Bryzgalov


:biglaugh:

To Car: Weight

To StL: Jesse Boulerice, Mike Zigomanis, the rights to Magnus Kahnberg, a 1 st and a 4th round selections in 2006 and a 4th round selection in 2007.

Boulerice and Zigomanis are AHL career journeymen and you are trying to compare those two to Penner, Perry, and Ryan? Not even close.

The only thing of any real value that St Louis got in that deal is the 1st round pick.

Boulerice and Zigomanis are AHL career journeymen and you are trying to compare those two to Penner, Perry, and Ryan? Not even close.

The only thing of any real value that St Louis got in that deal is the 1st round pick.

I'm not debating that. I clearly stated that Toronto will fair better in a deal for Sundin as he is WAY better and more respected around the league than a Dougie Weight would ever be. (not to knock Weight, I used to be a fan of his)

I'm not debating that. I clearly stated that Toronto will fair better in a deal for Sundin as he is WAY better and more respected around the league than a Dougie Weight would ever be. (not to knock Weight, I used to be a fan of his)

The gap between them isn't as big as you think judging by the trade proposal you tossed out.

Where did this rumour originate from anyway?

Where did this rumour originate from anyway?


I myself have heard this rumour on TSN a lil while ago (not that long ago) I believe they were tossing out the notion that Sundin could be dealt and it listed off a number of teams that may have interest in him for a run at the cup. The other teams mentioned along with Anahiems were, Detroit, NYR and Nashville's if I recall correctly.

The rumour has been out there for about a month I would say, and every where I turn or look on different boards, it resurfaces. I just wanted to find out what Duck fans would think if something was to go down between the 2 teams. I personally believe Sundin would be a better fit on Nashvile, not to mention they would have more assets to deal. I just don't know if Anaheim would be willing to deal the needed assets to bring in yet another franchise player.


Cheers

I hope Anaheim don't make a blockbuster trade with Sundin.

IMO, after the Pronger trade, they used a very big part of their future, even if they had had the opportunity to make it.

Anaheim must increase the Penner icetime before somes others players come with the ducks.

Sundin play a great season but like some guys say, he 'll be a ufa next year.

ps: for Sundin in Nashville. Have you seen the Preds offense? I think the first thing to make with the preds is to find more icetime for Radulov, and not less icetime after they would pick Sundin.

Just my opinion.;)

Boulerice and Zigomanis are AHL career journeymen and you are trying to compare those two to Penner, Perry, and Ryan? Not even close.

The only thing of any real value that St Louis got in that deal is the 1st round pick.

Zigomanis plays for Pheonix in the NHL.

I hope Anaheim don't make a blockbuster trade with Sundin.

IMO, after the Pronger trade, they used a very big part of their future, even if they had had the opportunity to make it.

Anaheim must increase the Penner icetime before somes others players come with the ducks.

Sundin play a great season but like some guys say, he 'll be a ufa next year.

ps: for Sundin in Nashville. Have you seen the Preds offense? I think the first thing to make with the preds is to find more icetime for Radulov, and not less icetime after they would pick Sundin.

Just my opinion.;)


Nashville is still in need of a #1 centerman. Arnott doesn't cut it. IMO

I do believe that Nashville is serious about making a push for the cup this year. I don't believe they are far off if Vokoun is healthy.

Zigomanis plays for Pheonix in the NHL.

I know where he plays. It doesn't change my opinion of him.

To the people saying top prospect, roster player, AND a first round pick... the first sent by Carolina wasn't going to be that good. I don't know where they were at the time of the trade but they finished 4th in the NHL, meaning the 26th pick (or 30th when they won the cup). So Weight was traded for a low first round pick and change. Not crap change, but just sorta soso extras. So it's not as high a return as you're claiming.

Also, that may have been what Weight went for but can you honestly say that that is really the current value of a soon-to-be UFA? Put it this way, if you were contending (say around where Montreal is) and were trading for Selanne, would you give up a top prospect (say Tlusty), a ~23-28 pick, and a regular defenseman (say White or Gill)?

To the people saying top prospect, roster player, AND a first round pick... the first sent by Carolina wasn't going to be that good. I don't know where they were at the time of the trade but they finished 4th in the NHL, meaning the 26th pick (or 30th when they won the cup). So Weight was traded for a low first round pick and change. Not crap change, but just sorta soso extras. So it's not as high a return as you're claiming.

Also, that may have been what Weight went for but can you honestly say that that is really the current value of a soon-to-be UFA? Put it this way, if you were contending (say around where Montreal is) and were trading for Selanne, would you give up a top prospect (say Tlusty), a ~23-28 pick, and a regular defenseman (say White or Gill)?

Umm we kinda have a history of that. Check the Nolan and Leetch trades. Some teams try to do whatever they can to win a Cup. Anahiem of Nashville are no different.

I thought the Leafs had the option?

Nope. It's Sundin's option.

Honestly, I see a guy like Tucker being much more likely to be traded to a contending team like Anaheim at the deadline than Sundin, but it depends on Anaheim's needs/wants.

Doubtful. Even as a leaf-fan, a swede and a fan of Mats I'd be a fool to demand a return like that. It might be argued that you could trade Mats for Teemu + a pick but what good would that do any of the teams? They'd be swapping 36 year olds (darn good ones, but still old)..

So no. You won't have to part with Pronger or Niedermeyer. You would, however, be forced to part with a high draft pick, a reasonably young roster player with decent potential and a high quality prospect, like Bobby Ryan.

I'd love if Mats could get traded to Anaheim. He deserves to play for a legit contender at least once in his career, imho.

Sundin for Selänne + a pick? who would do that?

Sundin for Selänne + a pick? who would do that?

Not the Ducks. You couldn't **** up your chemistry and annoy your fanbase more than you would by trading away your team's leading scorer and franchise's all-time favorite player for a player who is at best playing an equal level of hockey.

There is no reason at all to trade Selanne away. He's playing here until he says he's done.

selänne >>>> sundin

selänne is and has always been way better than sundin.

selänne >>>> sundin

selänne is and has always been way better than sundin.

Uh oh...I hope more Leaf fans don't see this...

selänne >>>> sundin

selänne is and has always been way better than sundin.

This is close based on entire career, but let me make a better arguement...

Selanne in Anaheim >>> Sundin in Toronto

For these teams...
Selanne per game: .56 G, .65 A, 1.21 P, +.21, .09 GWG
Sundin per game: .44 G, .57 A, 1.00 P, +.09, .08 GWG

Sundin for Selänne + a pick? who would do that?

pierre gauthier

god thanks he isn't here anymore..

selänne >>>> sundin

selänne is and has always been way better than sundin.


lets see selanne put up the same numbers with sundins linemates


selanne has always had better linemates like kariya and now its andy mcdonald the last real good winger sundin played with is mogilny

lets see selanne put up the same numbers with sundins linemates


selanne has always had better linemates like kariya and now its andy mcdonald the last real good winger sundin played with is mogilny
Selanne has had ONE great linemate in his career, and the year that guy held out Selanne had a Hart trophy caliber season.

Leaf fan here. How do you guys see something like this?

Sundin and maybe a mid rd pick
for
Ryan and Penner

you keep Perry, Getzlaf and your picks. Might be a slight overpayment but Sundin is a world class player.

Leaf fan here. How do you guys see something like this?

Sundin and maybe a mid rd pick
for
Ryan and Penner

you keep Perry, Getzlaf and your picks. Might be a slight overpayment but Sundin is a world class player.

You're high. Sundin might fetch one good prospect, a pick and a 3rd line plugger.

He's not getting Ryan and Penner.

Leaf fan here. How do you guys see something like this?

Sundin and maybe a mid rd pick
for
Ryan and Penner

you keep Perry, Getzlaf and your picks. Might be a slight overpayment but Sundin is a world class player.

We think just as highly about Penner around here as Getzlaf and Perry. Those 3 are basically the core of our future offense. Ryan's part in that future is still up in the air as he's young and has a season or two to go before he's in the NHL.

You're probably got the right idea in terms of ages/NHL readiness of the players going back for Sundin. But if you look at ice times and our desire to win now, I'd say Penner is probably worth more to the Ducks than Ryan or even Perry. If Penner went the other way the prospect you get as well would be MUCH lower than Ryan. More reasonable possibilities would be Perry/mid level young prospect (in Juniors or something) or perhaps Ryan/one of our higher AHL prospects (which are still mid level prospects but more NHL ready) for only Sundin. Perhaps a low Anaheim pick as well.

I seriously doubt the leafs are gonna get rid of their star player for free ud have to trade someone for him like pronger or scott neidermeyer or selanne

Like said b4 Sundin is NOT worth Pronger Neidermeyer or Selanne I dont think that Carlyle would make that trade for Sundin look at Selanne compared to Sundin And i really dont think that he would trade one of his top two Dmen considering Francois and Giggy are out and the Ducks are struggling with D it would be a stupid trade maybe it would me worth it if we got like Ovechkin or Crosby ;) :D

Selanne has had ONE great linemate in his career, and the year that guy held out Selanne had a Hart trophy caliber season.

Selanne has had more then one great linemate! Look hes got McDonald Kunitz is a decent linemate and his Team on The Jets i would say thata a lil bit more than one great linemate :D

We continually hear that a player may be playing well or badly because of the quality of his linemates. While it undoubtably has some influence, so many other factors intervene that it is hard to tell, and many of the examples offered are highly selective and not scientific. What can be said is that one combination of players (on a line or team) seems to play better than one or several of those players in some other combination, often called synergy or <ugh!> chemistry.

Selanne has had more then one great linemate! Look hes got McDonald Kunitz is a decent linemate and his Team on The Jets i would say thata a lil bit more than one great linemate :D

Not that I really care at all about this discussion but I'd just like to point out as to who made Kunitz and McDonald statiscally relevant players. Hint: He's Finnish and he's flashy.

Not that I really care at all about this discussion but I'd just like to point out as to who made Kunitz and McDonald statiscally relevant players. Hint: He's Finnish and he's flashy.

Anti Aalto?

Anti Aalto?

He's Finnish and Aawesome.

Anti Aalto?

mehhhh...Timo Parssinen

Are those rumours for real? I mean, they have been floating around for quite some time now.

Would Anaheim really be willing to pay the price for Sundin? I don't know if they would. I'm not sure if they would have the assets that they would be willing to deal. Toronto would most likely want a 1st rounder, a great prospect and a roster player back, if not more. (Sundin IS worth at least that, check last years deal with Weight going to Carolina for comparison and Sundin is twice the player Weight is) Unfortunately Anaheim has no 1st round picks in the next couple of years so...what do they substitute?

Is there a deal to be made? Who knows? I'm just looking at an Anaheim Mighty Ducks fans perspective. Thanks in advance.

Cheers



I was in Toronto a few weeks ago. Sundin is like a GOD up there. Kinda like the way Messier was here in NY, Sakic in Colorado, Modano in Dallas, Yzerman in Det..ect..ect.. you get the point.

I was in Toronto a few weeks ago. Sundin is like a GOD up there. Kinda like the way Messier was here in NY, Sakic in Colorado, Modano in Dallas, Yzerman in Det..ect..ect.. you get the point.

Sundin recently played God in a chess game, and won in 3 turns :teach:.

It was only televised on Leafs TV though...

selänne >>>> sundin

selänne is and has always been way better than sundin.

Not a snowballs chance in hell he is better then Sundin...

What has Selänne ever won, exept individual prizes?

Anyway, i dont think there is any remote chance we will ever see Sundin in Anaheim. But, if there is one team in NHL today that can make that sort of a trade, it is Anaheim, they probably have the deepest talent pool, they could afford to loose some.

Not a snowballs chance in hell he is better then Sundin...

What has Selänne ever won, exept individual prizes?

Anyway, i dont think there is any remote chance we will ever see Sundin in Anaheim. But, if there is one team in NHL today that can make that sort of a trade, it is Anaheim, they probably have the deepest talent pool, they could afford to loose some.

Anaheim has nowhere near the deepest talent pool as far as prospects go.

Anaheim has nowhere near the deepest talent pool as far as prospects go.

As far as young talent goes, they have the deepest talent pool.

As far as young talent goes, they have the deepest talent pool.

the price is going up ..detroit is hot on sundin too.

Not a snowballs chance in hell he is better then Sundin...

What has Selänne ever won, exept individual prizes?




Yeah compared to Mats "Championship" Sundin, Selanne hasn't won ****.

I mean Sundin has won . . .


oh, wait.


****.

Also, that may have been what Weight went for but can you honestly say that that is really the current value of a soon-to-be UFA? Put it this way, if you were contending (say around where Montreal is) and were trading for Selanne, would you give up a top prospect (say Tlusty), a ~23-28 pick, and a regular defenseman (say White or Gill)?

You can't make that comparison, because if Toronto was around where Montreal is, I don't think they would make a deal for a player like Selanne.

Now, if Toronto were around where Anaheim is (top 2 or 3 in the NHL) and Toronto had the talent pool depth that Anaheim has, and Toronto wanted Selanne (upcoming UFA?) to try to put them over that top, then -- yes, as a Toronto fan I'd be willing to trade Tlusty, 1st, and Gill/White for Selanne.

If you want to compare the two trades (Anaheim possibly trading for Sundin to a hypothetical trade of Toronto trading for Selanne), you have to make an apples-to- apples comparison.

Sportsnet.ca

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp?content=20070129_093700_4464

Toronto is expected to exercise the $4.56-million team option for next season on Sundin's contract. The 36-year old has repeatedly said that he wants to remain a Leaf and has no interest in waiving his no-trade clause to join a Stanley Cup contender. However, the Swedish centre is attracting interest around the NHL, with the Anaheim Ducks at the top of that list. Talk in Anaheim has GM Brian Burke interested in Sundin as a final piece to his club's very strong championship bid.

:handclap: