WJC: Dec 26 GDT - Germany 2 vs. USA 1 - OT Final

Game start: 15:00 local time | 9 AM EST
Liveticker: http://www.iihf.com/Hydra/Tournaments_07/output/w20/hydra.iihf.com/IIHF_Core/jsp/content/web_output/index.jsp@compId=96

Let's go Germany!Start the tournament with a big suprise!:yo: :sarcasm:

Very close 1st period keeps them game close but US pulls it out in the end 4-2

Kane shines

6 - 2 Usa

okposo scores 18 goals, before the 3rd period.

game ends 20-2

9-2 Usa

it's almost gametime baby! i'm up and ready to go! USA! USA! :yo:

Is there anybody on Germany to look at for the up coming draft? Where can i find a roster?

Is there anybody on Germany to look at for the up coming draft? Where can i find a roster?
http://www.iihf.com/Hydra/Tournaments_07/output/w20/hydra.iihf.com/IIHF_Core/jsp/content/web_output/index.jsp@compId=96

Under "Team Reports", in the middle you'll see "Team Rosters" - click on the country you're interested in.

Is there anybody on Germany to look at for the up coming draft? Where can i find a roster?

Not sure about for the upcoming draft, but keep an eye on #19 Gogulla, he's already on his 3rd full DEL season despite only being 19.

It's 9:07 and DirecTV hasnt switched over yet?? Hopefully they are just waiting till the puck drops?

It's 9:07 and DirecTV hasnt switched over yet?? Hopefully they are just waiting till the puck drops?
I hope, but I'm pretty skeptical. I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get turned on. This is retarded.

How did Stoa miss that?



Seriously?



BTW, I am watching this on Comcast Digital Cable via Center Ice/TSN for anyone with questions about Center Ice and Directv

It's 9:07 and DirecTV hasnt switched over yet?? Hopefully they are just waiting till the puck drops?

it's on dishnet 541(the second Center Ice Channel)

I have Dish Net and the game's airing. It's a little over 5 minutes into the game.

Stoa and Mueller both had golden chances already. USA's defense is playing a little casually, but the USA has had the only true scoring threats. The American forwards are getting all day to pick their shot in the slot.

Impressed with Chorney's passing.

Germans have a PP



edit...there goes that...too many men

It's definitely not on DirecTV right now. It shows up on the guide, but it's not playing.

How did Stoa miss that?



Seriously?



BTW, I am watching this on Comcast Digital Cable via Center Ice/TSN for anyone with questions about Center Ice and Directv

Direct tv doesn't have it on and it's 9:15.

Just came on DirecTv

7:30 into the first

Finally they turn it on 7 minutes into the game.

Directv finally put it on 7:10 into the first for me.

Finally on. Missed 8 minutes. BS.

germany is playing a heavy, heavy trap.

Nice hit by jack johnson! Too bad he came up too high and was penalized.

1-0 Germany. Puck changed direction

1-0 Germany. pp. Giebe on a screen. JJ penalty.

powerplay goal for the Germans

jack johnson is so nasty. I watched him at Michigan last year. He's gonna be a star.

Watching the game on TVU. The feed is terrible. If anyone has a quality link could they please post it. Much appreciated.

Germans back to the PP. Peter Mueller to the box. I think he'd like to start this game over.

I dunno about that penalty on Mueller, I thought the guy had just touched the puck.

Damn, the US sure is spending a lot of time in the box so far!

lol....that was weak

The Gogulla - Schutz - Gawlik line for Germany is looking very good.

Watching the game on TVU. The feed is terrible. If anyone has a quality link could they please post it. Much appreciated.

What channel is it on on TVU? Thanks.

What channel is it on on TVU? Thanks.

40224

40224

Much, much thanks.

lewis -okposo creating some good chances , just a matter of time before they get on the board.

thats a fine looking u.s lineup

What channel is it on on TVU? Thanks.
whats TVU ?

Much, much thanks.

My link just crashed completely.:banghead:

Both Kane and JVR have magnetic hands... they're fun to watch. Sweatt has a dynamic stride and I like his two way play.

The 07's are looking solid.

Gogulla looks to have developed really well since the last time I've seen him.

Impressed with Chorney's passing.
Chorney's passing has been fantastic so far, he's a key cog in the USA's attack and his breakout passes are hard and on the stick. I'm guessing the Americans will score early in the 2nd period, that Okposo-Lewis-Stoa line looks pretty tough to handle both on the rush and down low.

How's Justin Abdelkadar looking out there?

Well I'm stuck with the audio feed. But at least it's better than nothing.

Of course my boss who "threw out his back" forcing me to come home is sitting at home watching it. :banghead:

Watching the game on TVU. The feed is terrible. If anyone has a quality link could they please post it. Much appreciated.

www.tsn.ca

How's Justin Abdelkadar looking out there?

He's done a fine job defensively. He hasn't showcased his exceptional speed nor offensive touch just yet.... however, after watching him with Michigan St this year, it's only a matter of time.

He's on the third line with JVR- and Jack Skille.

Thanks for the updates guys. I'm stuck at work, unable to use the TSN website beause of the boss and my XM radio is acting up :banghead:

Thanks for the updates guys. I'm stuck at work, unable to use the TSN website beause of the boss and my XM radio is acting up :banghead:

The TSN link doesn't work outside of Canada anyway. :(

Zatkoff makes a big save!

He's done a fine job defensively. He hasn't showcased his exceptional speed nor offensive touch just yet.... however, after watching him with Michigan St this year, it's only a matter of time.

He's on the third line with JVR- and Jack Skille.
Thanks for the update! It is much appreciated.

He seems to be a very responsible player in his own zone and also capable of putting up points. I have relatively high hopes for him so lets hope he has a strong tournament.

The Gogulla - Schutz - Gawlik line for Germany is looking very good.

They are. I'm especially impressed with Gawlik, who seems to always be in the middle of the action even if he has whistled a couple of shots wide.

Also a bit shocking that no NHL team drafted him last year even with his previous injuries.

Anyone else Erik Johnson has been doing a little too much. Maybe it's just me. He's rushing the puck and it's not working.

There is a link to live audio of the game on the Team USA website for anyone that needs it.

The U.S. isnt getting anyone in front of the net on the PP for screens.Germany is defending them well by keeping them to the side of the net.

USA needs to start converting on their numerous powerplays.

Is Stefaniszin the property of anyone. He looks good so far.

US is looking so unimpressive right now.

Hits the post, this just may not be the USA's day.

Okposo almost bulled his way to a goal there as the puck went in but was disallowed on a delayed penalty touch.

Goaltending can win games like these:banghead:

When did the Jim Fallon Pepsi commercial come back into existance?

Is Stefaniszin the property of anyone. He looks good so far.

I don't think so. Earlier in the broadcast they said there were 5 Germans who were NHL property:

Gogulla & Schutz - Buffalo
Bruan - Los Angeles
Holzer - Toronto

I can't think of the 5th one, but I'm pretty sure it's not Stefaniszin.

I find our lack of ability to score on the PP disturbing.

Okposo tries to go through people. It's great.

what is that 3 penalties drawn by Okposo?

Another powerplay for USA.

good setups.. but no finish whatsoever... sigh

Sounds like Germany's goalie is having quite a game.

Okposo is a beast.

I loved the play JVR made to spring Skille on a breakaway.

I've been impressed with both Kane and JVR so far; the puck seems to stick to Kane's stick, and his moves are first-class, as we've seen in the OHL.

Kane is looking great out there

This is a pretty exciting game if you're a disinterested observer. For US fans, it must be frustrating to watch. In some ways (most) they are dominating; but they don't seem to be playing like a team so much. Looks like a lot of guys trying to do things on their own (and they're successful too, but no goals yet).

Kane is impressive. Okposo is too

No one willing to score a rebound goal even though they crashed the net better on that powerplay than all the others combined

USA needs to stop hesitating getting shots off. Its giving the GER D/G time to get in position.
That said, the GER goalie looks pretty solid.

If Stefanizin keeps playing like this, he won't be undrafted for long.

***? What happened with that too many men call?

If Stefanizin keeps playing like this, he won't be undrafted for long.

6½ months is a long time though ;)

some of it is warranted, but I think it is evident who Pierre McGuire's new infatuation is

Based on his skill set and offensive imagination - Kane reminds me a lot of Ales Hemsky.

Based on his skill set and offensive imagination - Kane reminds me a lot of Ales Hemsky.

Except Kane appears to be shooting the puck. :sarcasm:

What period is it, how much time is left and is it on regular TV (not direct tv or center ice) in the states?

What period is it, how much time is left and is it on regular TV (not direct tv or center ice) in the states?

end of 2nd, 20 minutes left, as far as i know it's not

What period is it, how much time is left and is it on regular TV (not direct tv or center ice) in the states?

2nd intermission right now

What period is it, how much time is left and is it on regular TV (not direct tv or center ice) in the states?

It's the 2nd intermission .. it's not on regular t.v. but it's on NHL Center Ice.

end of 2nd, 20 minutes left, as far as i know it's not

Thanx. Ahhh thats sucks. I love to watch these WJC games.

im watching it on the tvu feed. its not great, but its better then nothing. sure makes working on the day after christmas much more bearable.

kane looks awesome, incredible hands and vision.

6½ months is a long time though ;)

Someone will take him. Huet was a very late round pick. It's worth the reach some one will grab him.

Thanx. Ahhh thats sucks. I love to watch these WJC games.

It must suck to be in that situation in the states. I'm also a bit disappointed that aside from this game, TSN is only showing Canada games for the rest of the week. There should be some interesting matchups in the other pool that we might not get to see.

I sure hope TSN shows a Russian, and Czech game by the end of the tournament.

Is it just me or is Jack Johnson running around far too much out there? He's made some very poor decisions from what I've seen and those will cost the Americans against a stronger club.

They really need to get some more guys in front of the net, a lot of the shots are getting through but they're simply easy saves with no traffic in front of the crease.

Is it just me or is Jack Johnson running around far too much out there? He's made some very poor decisions from what I've seen and those will cost the Americans against a stronger club.

They really need to get some more guys in front of the net, a lot of the shots are getting through but they're simply easy saves with no traffic in front of the crease.

I think Erik has been running around more then Jack.

I think Erik has been running around more then Jack.

No

Erik has been poor for the USA, gave the puck away plenty of time and really doesn't seem to use his linemates. Maybe he has an ego now.

Kane reminds me of Zach Parise, shifty, great passer but no overly fast straight away.

Okposo is a beast and could be playing in the NHL right now. Very much like Heatley.

This is going to be an Ugly 3rd period.

Okposo is unbelievable. So strong and slick. He is doing whatever he wants out there, bullying his way into open space with the puck. The points will come, he should have at least three already here.

I sure hope TSN shows a Russian, and Czech game by the end of the tournament.

Except for elimination round appearances, no luck. The only non-Canada game that TSN is showing after this one is USA/Slovakia on Saturday.

TSN's round robin coverage
Today (Tuesday): USA/Germany & Canada/Sweden
Wednesday: USA/Canada @ 10am pst/1 pm est
Thursday: No broadcasts
Friday: Germany/Canada @ 9:30am pst/12:30pm pst
Saturday: USA/Slovakia @ 8am pst/11am pst
Sunday: Canada/Slovakia @ 3:30am pst/6:30am est (:eek:)

Okposo is a beast and could be playing in the NHL right now. Very much like Heatley.

Agree. I'm very impressed with Okposo. When was the last time the Fishsticks had a potential power-forward like him? Bertuzzi?

How does Braun look for Germany? thanks

Erik has been poor for the USA, gave the puck away plenty of time and really doesn't seem to use his linemates. Maybe he has an ego now.



Or maybe he's off his game a bit today...:shakehead

BTW, He hasn't been "poor" by any stretch. He hasn't been up to his standards though.

Before we absolve Okposo as a beast and Pat Kane as a Christ-like figure, can we take a look at who they're playing. Germany is winning, but they're clearly an inferior team.

Before we absolve Okposo as a beast and Pat Kane as a Christ-like figure, can we take a look at who they're playing. Germany is winning, but they're clearly an inferior team.

GER 1 USA 0.
Enough said.

A bit off topic, but earlier in the game McGuire and Miller kept talking about Stefaniszin being "largely responsible" for Germany geting promoted out of the Div 1 tier.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I swear that Germany's goalie for that tournament last year was Thomas Greiss. I could also swear it was him that had a ridiculous sub-1.00 GAA for the tournament.

EDIT: also, Germany won't be hanging on if they keep taking penalties. Their PK guys look gassed after every penalty, and it won't be long before they get tired enough to slip up.

The play and US posession has been dying off of Okposos stick all game long. Hes been making some really low percentage plays, a couple really poor decisions. Its very evident he is a very quick skilled guy and a nice package, but he is nowhere near NHL calibre yet as pierre said... he would be very ineffective playing like that against pros.

Or maybe he's off his game a bit today...:shakehead

BTW, He hasn't been "poor" by any stretch. He hasn't been up to his standards though.

He should be playing a lot better offensively and even defensively he's made some sketchy moves in my opinion.

At least I wasn't the only one who thought he looked off today.

USA gets one. Floodgates now?

See? it was only a matter of time with all those German penalties

Mueller Ties It!

He should be playing a lot better offensively and even defensively he's made some sketchy moves in my opinion.

At least I wasn't the only one who thought he looked off today.

Well congratulations on finding a support system:shakehead

He hasn't been at his best today, but hasn't been noticeably bad either.

9th time's the charm!

Finally, a PP goal for US.

OK Peter.....finally!

score!! 1-1

I think Skillie touched it. Either way, that's way too long without scoring a goal.

Well congratulations on finding a support system:shakehead

He hasn't been at his best today, but hasn't been noticeably bad either.

Just because our opinions are different doesn't mean you have to sit there and flame me for not having your opinion.

GER 1 USA 0.
Enough said.

If you believe that then you believe in the tooth fairy.

Just because our opinions are different doesn't mean you have to sit there and flame me for not having your opinion.

Actually it was your multiple threads all saying the same criticisms of Johnson that led to my comment. Calm down and stop singling him out. It's embarrassing

Holy hell Schutz just got robbed.

Argh, another German penalty. And did they just say that Holzer has taken 4 penalties this game?

Nice save by Zatkoff!

Okposo drawing another penalty.

what a glove save

Holy hell Schutz just got robbed.

Argh, another German penalty. And did they just say that Holzer has taken 4 penalties this game?
I think they were talking about Okposo DRAWING four penalties, because that was Holzer's first infraction.

Actually it was your multiple threads all saying the same criticisms of Johnson that led to my comment.

He can play better thats my opinion. We've all seen him play better. It can be said about the whole team though.

And did they just say that Holzer has taken 4 penalties this game?

they said that Okposo has drawn 4

what a glove save

Glad to see, I'm not the only one that's running several minutes behind everyone else....lol

they said that Okposo has drawn 4

Ok, that makes a lot more sense. If Holzer had taken 4 penalties so far, I'd wonder how he got drafted last year

He can play better thats my opinion. We've all seen him play better. It can be said about the whole team though.

We don't disagree at all then.

Probably a bit of nerves. Hopefully, he'll be settled down against Canada.

Why EJ isnt getting PP time??
Mueller is playing the point with JJ

Go Germany!!!

Why EJ isnt getting PP time??
Mueller is playing the point with JJ

the USA should look into switching up the defense on the PP, sure Mueller got 1 goa, but the way the PP is set up it's a recipe for getting scored on Short Handed if it doesn't improve.

If you believe that then you believe in the tooth fairy.

Being inferior doesn't always mean you lose.
Penalties aside, the Germans are giving the US a hell of a game.

the USA should look into switching up the defense on the PP, sure Mueller got 1 goa, but the way the PP is set up it's a recipe for getting scored on Short Handed if it doesn't improve.

Well they said Mueller plays Point on the PP in Everett so that's probably the rational behind that decision.

Kane playing some 4 on 4 hockey, should be fun to watch.

Funny thing just happened . The Germans thought the game was over after regulation and came over the boards to congratulate their goalie.

What they didnt know is that this year there are NHL rules in play.:)

Getting a point against the US is like a win for us. That's why our boys were celebrating. Not because they're too dumb to read the rules...

Wow! Congrats to Germany!

Must have been a superfantastic performance by the german goalie.

Wow.



Look at the Germans, they're going nuts.


Marcel Muller gets the winner

Holy TIHS!

Funny thing just happened . The Germans thought the game was over after regulation and came over the boards to congratulate their goalie.

What they didnt know is that this year there are NHL rules in play.:)

Wait so there is a 5 min OT then a SO?

At least the USA got a point. :sarcasm:

Oooh, the Germans!!

Smithers.... the Germans.!!!

Wow.

WOW.

Wait so there is a 5 min OT then a SO?

they changed the rules, 3 points reg win, 2 OT win, 1 OT loss

GKJ....Inferior wha?:sarcasm: ;)

Russians will have that team for brunch (as usual).. Tournament favorite my arse.

What the heck?!?! I RAN to the laundry room, and I just walked in to hear, "Germany beats the US for the first time in (whatever number of years)...."

I should have stayed in bed til 9 PST.

Pat Kane is quite a talent. I don't think I'd seen him play a full game before and the skill level is up there. I'm looking forward to seeing him play more as the tourney moves on.

Who would've thought..? :dunno: :amazed:

90 % of the U.S. team thought they could come out there dipsy doodle like they were future hall of famer's

Jack Johnson is lucky he has been drafted already because after that effort he wouldn't have gone in the 1st round

They freakin' got in each others way like a 8 year old team. Not many bright spots

They better make some big changes in effort level if they think they are going to do anything in this tournament

Getting a point against the US is like a win for us. That's why our boys were celebrating. Not because they're too dumb to read the rules...
Tsn announcers made it seem that way. I sure thought it was going to be a tie.

Did seem a little strange that they wouldnt know the rules...

Stefaniszin deserves a lot of credit for the win. 2 upsets so far today.

Who's the american D #4 who let the guy stuff it in in OT there? I couldn't read his name on TVU.

What the heck?!?! I RAN to the laundry room, and I just walked in to hear, "Germany beats the US for the first time in (whatever number of years)...."

Why the heck would you go to the laundry room midway through a 5 minute overtime?

Wow! Congrats to Germany!

Must have been a superfantastic performance by the german goalie.

He played well, as did his team in front of him. Great effort by ze Germans.

Good to see the Americans in mid-tourney form.
This could be a quick exit for them with Canada up next. :shakehead

Well one game in and the US is on pace to surpass last year's "effort" for most embarrassing and disappointing display. Fantastic:(

Who's the american D #4 who let the guy stuff it in in OT there? I couldn't read his name on TVU.

#4 D Taylor Chorney

http://www.iihf.com/Hydra/Tournaments_07/output/w20/hydra.iihf.com/data/iihf/output/xml/96/IHM0960USA_32E_2_0.pdf

Getting a point against the US is like a win for us. That's why our boys were celebrating. Not because they're too dumb to read the rules...

You really think so? Looks like they all stopped in mid celebration to me like they just were told there was more game to play

He played well, as did his team in front of him. Great effort by ze Germans.

Stefaniszin was the best player on the ice by far.

Americans didn't take over the game in OT like they should have, perhaps they were worn out.

Well one game in and the US is on pace to surpass last year's "effort" for most embarrassing and disappointing display. Fantastic:(

Not yet, they lost to Belarus on their own ice 2 years ago

The more things change...the more things stay the same :help:

Germany is winning, but they're clearly an inferior team.

Someone got pwned. Your reputation has been tarnished forever. I suggest you leave while you still can. :D

Wow that was pathetic. Something like 9 power plays and they only score 1 goal against Germany. They were trying to be too fancy.

Not yet, they lost to Belarus on their own ice 2 years ago

Dammit, I had all but blocked that from my memory. Thanks for the reminder.:banghead:


Now the day is really off to a sucky start

You really think so? Looks like they all stopped in mid celebration to me like they just were told there was more game to play

Yeah, most of the Germans had no idea they still had to play OT. Even a couple of the coaches weren't sure what was going on.

Why the heck would you go to the laundry room midway through a 5 minute overtime?
I left with a few seconds left in the 3rd....thought I'd make it during the commercial. :(

#4 D Taylor Chorney

http://www.iihf.com/Hydra/Tournaments_07/output/w20/hydra.iihf.com/data/iihf/output/xml/96/IHM0960USA_32E_2_0.pdf

Ouch, isn't he the captain?

5...4...3...2...1...

How about that Bobby Ryan?

5...4...3...2...1...

How about that Bobby Ryan?

You mean the guy who wasn't good enough to make a team that wasn't good enough to beat Germany?

:D

You mean the guy who wasn't good enough to make a team that wasn't good enough to beat Germany?

:D

He can't be very good :D

:help: :dunno:

Ouch, isn't he the captain?
Yep... it's a shame as he played a great game besides that last play. Lee looked bad on it as well, he shouldn't have let the German player get outside on him. On that note, why did Lee play so little? I barely heard his name all game and he really didn't get many shifts at all.

Germany!!!!!!!!!! Best news I've heard all day!

You really think so? Looks like they all stopped in mid celebration to me like they just were told there was more game to play

They were all leaving the bench to congratulate the goalie. One guy especially had one leg over the boards, and kept looking around, confused. Its not a big deal, but they thought the game was over.

#4 D Taylor Chorney

http://www.iihf.com/Hydra/Tournaments_07/output/w20/hydra.iihf.com/data/iihf/output/xml/96/IHM0960USA_32E_2_0.pdf

Crap, I was worried that's who it was....

You really think so? Looks like they all stopped in mid celebration to me like they just were told there was more game to play

They stopped because someone told them they'd be getting the real win 2 minutes later. ;)

But I really don't think they had no clue there would be an overtime. I mean sure they never expected to even get so far before the game but someone had to know. The 3-2-1 point system is already in use in the German leagues so it's nothing new to them.

All in all, the US were the way better team but had no luck (see the 2 shots off the post). They'll recover. But for us, the 2 points is huge in avoiding relegation back to the Div I pool. :)

Yep... it's a shame as he played a great game besides that last play. Lee looked bad on it as well, he shouldn't have let the German player get outside on him. On that note, why did Lee play so little? I barely heard his name all game and he really didn't get many shifts at all.

i dont think lee is that great, i think he was picked too high. okposo, ej, kane, and mueller stuck out to me, all 88s.

:biglaugh: Great game USA.

Stefaniszin was the best player on the ice by far.


Oh I agree. I just think the Germans worked their behinds off and deserve some credit for that.

As happy as I am that Germany won, I don't think the US played a bad game, nor should their fans be totally upset. They got a point and clearly deserved to win - against another goalie (sweden, canada etc.) the same style could easily produce 3pts.

The tourney's not over yet. Usually the US melts down when it counts - be happy it happened early this year while there's still time to rectify.

Before we absolve Okposo as a beast and Pat Kane as a Christ-like figure, can we take a look at who they're playing. Germany is winning, but they're clearly an inferior team.

No, I think Germany clearly has the inferior players but the superior team today.

So, I guess I'm right about this team. Not enough offense. Clearly not enough offense. Disgusting. Losing to ****ing Germany?

These kids should be ashamed of themselves.

A bit off topic, but earlier in the game McGuire and Miller kept talking about Stefaniszin being "largely responsible" for Germany geting promoted out of the Div 1 tier.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I swear that Germany's goalie for that tournament last year was Thomas Greiss. I could also swear it was him that had a ridiculous sub-1.00 GAA for the tournament.

Yes, Greiss was the Goaltender last year, finishing with 97.75% and 0.50 GAA.

I don't think so. Earlier in the broadcast they said there were 5 Germans who were NHL property:

Gogulla & Schutz - Buffalo
Bruan - Los Angeles
Holzer - Toronto

I can't think of the 5th one, but I'm pretty sure it's not Stefaniszin.

There are only 4 drafted players on the German Roster, Schütz and Gogulla by Buffalo, Holzer by Toronto and Braun by LA.

Yep... it's a shame as he played a great game besides that last play. Lee looked bad on it as well, he shouldn't have let the German player get outside on him. On that note, why did Lee play so little? I barely heard his name all game and he really didn't get many shifts at all.

The USA coach was too busy over-shifting Erik Johnson. He is a big and fast kid, but has a long way to go with his development. Ill timed rushes that produced no offense, neutral zone giveaways, bad angle coverage against the rush on the wide ice, and needless PP point shots with no screen on the goalie demonstrated to me that, indeed, he is a project for the Blues.

Can someone who watched the game tell me if Zimmerman played? And if so, how did he look?

The USA coach was too busy over-shifting Erik Johnson. He is a big and fast kid, but has a long way to go with his development. Ill timed rushes that produced no offense, neutral zone giveaways, bad angle coverage against the rush on the wide ice, and needless PP point shots with no screen on the goalie demonstrated to me that, indeed, he is a project for the Blues.

Considering I see almost NONE of that when he plays at Minn. I chalk it up to being nervous and it being just one game.

Can someone who watched the game tell me if Zimmerman played? And if so, how did he look?

I didn't hear his name

No, I think Germany clearly has the inferior players but the superior team today.

I was just about to come on and say, awesome players, terrible team. When they were on the attack it was just like Kane skating up ditzy doodling or Okposo charging through...and they looked amazing but it was more them just putting on a show instead of using their linemates. I wouldn't be too worried about this loss, they just need to start playing together and they'll be great.

Can someone who watched the game tell me if Zimmerman played? And if so, how did he look?

He played although I didn't hear his name much so he probably didn't get much ice time.

The USA coach was too busy over-shifting Erik Johnson. He is a big and fast kid, but has a long way to go with his development. Ill timed rushes that produced no offense, neutral zone giveaways, bad angle coverage against the rush on the wide ice, and needless PP point shots with no screen on the goalie demonstrated to me that, indeed, he is a project for the Blues.

I thought Jack coughed it up more as the last man or second to last man back. Germany was a very good poke checking team but I also thought there were instances that our guys were making half *ss moves and not very good acceleration after the half *ss move.

The USA coach was too busy over-shifting Erik Johnson. He is a big and fast kid, but has a long way to go with his development. Ill timed rushes that produced no offense, neutral zone giveaways, bad angle coverage against the rush on the wide ice, and needless PP point shots with no screen on the goalie demonstrated to me that, indeed, he is a project for the Blues.

Or maybe you're just a poor judge of talent.

Or maybe you're just a poor judge of talent.

He's basing it on one game, though. It's very possible he was awful today. I didn't see the game, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. No reason to attack him since you're a Blues fan.

Can somebody who watched the game give me an update on Kyle Okposo's play?

He's basing it on one game, though. It's very possible he was awful today. I didn't see the game, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. No reason to attack him since you're a Blues fan.


I saw the game and it was far from Erik Johnson's best game. That said he was a long way from awful. Anyone that calls him a "project" clearly has no idea what they're talking about as he will more than likely be in the NHL next year, and yes he will make rookie mistakes, and yes he will have bad games, but that doesn't make him less of a prospect, it makes him human.

i wake up and see usa lost to germany? wow oh wow...

props to germany!

Well one game in and the US is on pace to surpass last year's "effort" for most embarrassing and disappointing display. Fantastic:(

I'd say '05 losing to Belarus at home was worse. This team is hard to get behind. So poorly run. They kill me every year.

Can someone who watched the game tell me if Zimmerman played? And if so, how did he look?

i just saw him pinch in one time and take a good pass and get a good shot on goal, during one of the many USA PP's.

So, I guess I'm right about this team. Not enough offense. Clearly not enough offense. Disgusting. Losing to ****ing Germany?

These kids should be ashamed of themselves.


You should ashamed of yourself. Germany PLayed great, deserved to win. Don't Tarnish this for the Germans.

I saw the game and it was far from Erik Johnson's best game. That said he was a long way from awful. Anyone that calls him a "project" clearly has no idea what they're talking about as he will more than likely be in the NHL next year, and yes he will make rookie mistakes, and yes he will have bad games, but that doesn't make him less of a prospect, it makes him human.

He is a project as with most 18 and 19 year olds. Will he step in and dominate the NHL next year? No. And I am sure he will pick up his game as the tournament progresses.

With his size and speed, I can see he has the potential to be a great d-man when he is 22+. However, right now he has a lot of developing to do unless that game was a complete abberation. Basically, I am just saying that I was underwhelmed as a hockey fan who wanted to see how good a #1 pick was going to play (and to avoid a flame war, yes I know it was only one game).

Can somebody who watched the game give me an update on Kyle Okposo's play?

Probably the Americans best player today, along with Mueller. Very strong on the puck. He drew four penalties by taking guys wide, protecting the puck in the corners, etc. Was all over the puck but somehow didn't get a lot of great chances.

I was just about to come on and say, awesome players, terrible team. When they were on the attack it was just like Kane skating up ditzy doodling or Okposo charging through...and they looked amazing but it was more them just putting on a show instead of using their linemates. I wouldn't be too worried about this loss, they just need to start playing together and they'll be great.


Thats a huge problem if you ask me. Playing as individuals in a tourney like this will kill a team. Wasn't this a bit of a problem with last years team also?

You should ashamed of yourself. Germany PLayed great, deserved to win. Don't Tarnish this for the Germans.

The management and coaches should be ashamed of themselves. They had almost no game plan. There were totally unprepared for the Germans clogging the neutral zone, which is absurb because the Germans do that in every tournament at every level. They figured we'd win on talent alone. No good.

You should ashamed of yourself. Germany PLayed great, deserved to win. Don't Tarnish this for the Germans.

Please. If the roles were reversed and Canada just lost to Germany you would be burning German flags on your front lawn.

It's no secret that Germany was the inferior team by a mile. It is also no secret that the USA played like crap. He has every right to be angry about the way the team and was constructed and how they played. It has nothing to do with Germany.

You should ashamed of yourself. Germany PLayed great, deserved to win. Don't Tarnish this for the Germans.

Who are you to tell me I should be ashamed of myself? :shakehead

The US should've won this game but, from what it seems like, played lackadaisical hockey and somehow managed to lose the game. I could care less about the Germans and "tarnishing" something for them. Really, who cares? If the Canadians lost to the Germans you'd be pissed off, also.

So don't give me that crap that you feel so joyous and lovely for the Germans. They deserved to win the game because the US didn't do anything -- and they got what they deserved. A loss.

The US team better play with a chip on their shoulder after a relatively embarrassing opening game, otherwise they won't do any damage in this tournament (not that I ever predicted that they would, however).

A bit off topic, but earlier in the game McGuire and Miller kept talking about Stefaniszin being "largely responsible" for Germany geting promoted out of the Div 1 tier.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I swear that Germany's goalie for that tournament last year was Thomas Greiss. I could also swear it was him that had a ridiculous sub-1.00 GAA for the tournament.

EDIT: also, Germany won't be hanging on if they keep taking penalties. Their PK guys look gassed after every penalty, and it won't be long before they get tired enough to slip up.

Yes, I said the same thing at that point in the game.

Please. If the roles were reversed and Canada just lost to Germany you would be burning German flags on your front lawn.

It's no secret that Germany was the inferior team by a mile. It is also no secret that the USA played like crap. He has every right to be angry about the way the team and was constructed and how they played. It has nothing to do with Germany.

Amen!

Can somebody who watched the game give me an update on Kyle Okposo's play?

Okposo looked good playing major minutes, PP and some PK. Even strength he was paired with college linemate Ryan Stoa and his former Des Moines linemate Trevor Lewis. The line had good chemistry and battled hard down low in the corners. Okposo created alot of offense, including a beautiful chance where Ryan Stoa hit the post on a wide open net :eek: KO was constantly driving hard to the net, holding off defenders, and drew 4 PP's for USA. However, the finish was not there.

The only criticism I can offer is that at times it appears that he tries to do too much, i.e. trying to stickhandle past 2 or 3 defenders rather than using his teammates. Overall a very solid game, was the best player on the ice for USA along with Pat Kane IMO.

Who are you to tell me I should be ashamed of myself? :shakehead

:biglaugh: Who are you to say the US players should be ashamed of themselves? How is what you said any different...:biglaugh:

To call Germany the inferior team is unfair. Like someone else said, USA had the better players, Germany was the better team, that's why they walk away with the win.

Here's to hoping the US turns it around in the next game.

:biglaugh: Who are you to say the US players should be ashamed of themselves? How is what you said any different...:biglaugh:

I don't know... How's this for an answer?!

I wasn't in the ice losing to the damn German team playing crap hockey. The team as a whole and the entire US brass need to take this loss as a wake-up call.

Who are you to tell me I should be ashamed of myself? :shakehead

The US should've won this game but, from what it seems like, played lackadaisical hockey and somehow managed to lose the game. I could care less about the Germans and "tarnishing" something for them. Really, who cares? If the Canadians lost to the Germans you'd be pissed off, also.

So don't give me that crap that you feel so joyous and lovely for the Germans. They deserved to win the game because the US didn't do anything -- and they got what they deserved. A loss.

The US team better play with a chip on their shoulder after a relatively embarrassing opening game, otherwise they won't do any damage in this tournament (not that I ever predicted that they would, however).

well, Obviously they didn't. Who are you to tell the US players they should be ashamed of themselves?

I don't know... How's this for an answer?!

I wasn't in the ice losing to the damn German team playing crap hockey. The team as a whole and the entire US brass need to take this loss as a wake-up call.

Clearly the irony is lost on you.

Doesn't warrant a response.

You should ashamed of yourself. Germany PLayed great, deserved to win. Don't Tarnish this for the Germans.

You smoke some good stuff.
Germany did have a couple bright spots. Only player to do "great" was their goalie. Great win for sure for them.

Though I Wonder when in the hockey world being out shot 38-15 is called playing great.

:biglaugh:

You smoke some good stuff.
Germany did have a couple bright spots. Only player to do "great" was their goalie. Great win for sure for them.

Though I Wonder when in the hockey world being out shot 38-15 is called playing great.

:biglaugh:

Probably when they were leaving the ice after putting in that game winning goal against a team that by all logical reasoning should have demolished them?

Clearly the irony is lost on you.

What irony? What I said is a fact: The US team should be ashamed of themselves for getting beat by the German team in this game. A team with tons less talent.

Maybe you don't know what irony is, as I see none in either of the statements. Me saying "Who are you to tell me I should be ashamed of myself" is simply a response to someone flinging out an attack to just piss me off.

Just because I said that the US team should be ashamed of themselves doesn't open any irony in my statement.

You smoke some good stuff.
Germany did have a couple bright spots. Only player to do "great" was their goalie. Great win for sure for them.

Though I Wonder when in the hockey world being out shot 38-15 is called playing great.

:biglaugh:

when you win?:dunno:

Probably when they were leaving the ice after putting in that game winning goal against a team that by all logical reasoning should have demolished them?

Pretty much. They took it to the Americans, who were obviously thinking they would roll over the Germans, and won the game. Germany won and deserved to win and I applaud them for that. :clap:

Was Frazee in net? And if he was I guess he played well because he's not getting bashed by some posters on this thread who dislike him.

Really disappointed in the play of both Johnsons. Seemed they were trying to do way too much on their own.:shakehead When there was better team play the team looked a lot better with it's chances. Okoposo looked solid and seeing Kane for the first time I've come away very impressed. Zatkoff in my opinion played solid as well. Schutz and Gogulla as well as the goalie looked good to me as well. Need to come back tomorrow with a solid team effort and knock off the Canadians.

Was Frazee in net? And if he was I guess he played well because he's not getting bashed by some posters on this thread who dislike him.

Zats was.

Simmer down people. Debate the game, not each other --- now.

Was Frazee in net? And if he was I guess he played well because he's not getting bashed by some posters on this thread who dislike him.

Zatkoff played and played very well despite not facing a lot of shots. Had two great saves on Schutz. The winning goal wasn't great but Chorney and Lee (so overrated) didn't help him any. I'd play him tomorrow.

when you win?:dunno:

Winning is great. Never means you played great which is what you stated.

Plain and simple, Germany played a great game, there goaltender did it for them. Jack and Erik Johnson both need to relax, not try and do it all themselves. I can only imagine that they are trying to live up to the hype and it must be difficult. They need to just play, not try and do everything. Dont start criticizing after a Germany game please. Congrats to Germans.

I just can't wait for Canada to screw up and hear the different tune for all of these guys. You know, kinda like when they lost to the US and it was Fleury who lost the game not Canada. :biglaugh:

Why weren't you worried about giving props to the US then? Or does that not count?

Congratulations to the German team on handing the USA yet another in a long line of international competition loses. Yes, getting outshot by a wide margin is not indicative of playing a great game, but at the end of the day, they got the performances they needed from their netminder and came away with the win.

As for the rest of you, no more posts directed at one another.

Late to the game here, but a few comments. The most glaring issue for me was a lack of urgency on the PP, especially the 5 x 3s. This game should have been won in the second period, but everyone was a bit too cute. Nice looking, but not a lot of substance. All I can hope is Rolston gets the players heads out of their rears and gets it into their heads the need to simplify. At least we got a point. I'll be interested in seeing how the team regroups for Canada tomorrow. A differant test, but a stiff one nonetheless.

* Someone needs to tell Erik Johnson to CALM DOWN. Yeah, I know you're awesome and all, but tone it down a bit bud.

Late to the game here, but a few comments. The most glaring issue for me was a lack of urgency on the PP, especially the 5 x 3s. This game should have been won in the second period, but everyone was a bit too cute. Nice looking, but not a lot of substance.

I felt the same way. What worries me most is that this is becoming the standard for US teams, lots of individual flash but little teamwork. Hopefully, just first game nerves.

All of that being said, congrats to Germany on the win.

I felt the same way. What worries me most is that this is becoming the standard for US teams, lots of individual flash but little teamwork. Hopefully, just first game nerves.

All of that being said, congrats to Germany on the win.

I read some post game comments where Peter Mueller indicated they underestimated the Germans. I'm sorry, but that's unacceptable. You can't just get up for just one or two teams-the tourney's too short. Hopefully Rolston can stir the fire a bit.

I don't know... How's this for an answer?!

I wasn't in the ice losing to the damn German team playing crap hockey. The team as a whole and the entire US brass need to take this loss as a wake-up call.


The U.S brass is too arrogant to take this loss or any of their other previous losses as a wake up call. They will continue to loss as long as their focus is on promoting their program and not taking the best players.

Maybe a good idea that I accidentally slept through this game. Here we go again. Another disappointment. And I thought U.S. Hockey was supposed to be getting stronger.

The U.S brass is too arrogant to take this loss or any of their other previous losses as a wake up call. They will continue to loss as long as their focus is on promoting their program and not taking the best players.

Unfortunately you are right. It's very, very frustrating as a fan to deal with.

The U.S brass is too arrogant to take this loss or any of their other previous losses as a wake up call. They will continue to loss as long as their focus is on promoting their program and not taking the best players.

yah with bobby ryan they would have clearly won this game. LOL people are ****ing tools

No, I think Germany clearly has the inferior players but the superior team today.

Ohhh give me a break. The best team doesn't always win. We saw that today. No way is Germany better nor did they play better. USA looked horrible and lazy and still outplayed Germany badly. Yes they lost and didn't show up and Germany won. That doesn't mean germany is better.

USA needs to pick it up big time though.

It was said that the US didn't need Bobby Ryan and Bob Sanguinetti because they were one dimetional and then they go out and go what 1 for 9 on the PP. Maybe they would not have helped, but Ryan did well on the PP last year.

yah with bobby ryan they would have clearly won this game. LOL people are ****ing tools

He CERTAINLY would've helped out on the powerplay.

It's funny that Germany is being called "the better team" in this game. The American team dominated for three periods, the German goaltender absolutely stood on his head. Throw in two sure goals that hit the post(Stoa's backhander in the first, Skille's breakaway in the second,) and...it happens.

Okposo and Kane were by far the best Americans, today...and I was impressed with Zatkoff in net, who made some big saves when he needed to.

There's no way around it, Jack Johnson stunk. He was holding on to the puck way too much, trying to make too many plays all by himself, and looked sloppy with the puck in his own end. I expect a better game out of him, next game.

Liked what I saw from Gerbe, Sweatt and Van Riemsdyk.

I expect a stronger performance against Canada. I do think there's potential with this team.

He CERTAINLY would've helped out on the powerplay.

I'm not so sure. The power play was more of a philosophical problem. Rather than trying to work down low where the German defense looked weak...they were blasting point shot after point shot wide left, wide right, and ten feet high...or worse...right into the German PK. Puck possesion wasn't really a problem.

It's funny that Germany is being called "the better team" in this game. The American team dominated for three periods, the German goaltender absolutely stood on his head. Throw in two sure goals that hit the post(Stoa's backhander in the first, Skille's breakaway in the second,) and...it happens.

Okposo and Kane were by far the best Americans, today...and I was impressed with Zatkoff in net, who made some big saves when he needed to.

There's no way around it, Jack Johnson stunk. He was holding on to the puck way too much, trying to make too many plays all by himself, and looked sloppy with the puck in his own end. I expect a better game out of him, next game.

Liked what I saw from Gerbe, Sweatt and Van Riemsdyk.

I expect a stronger performance against Canada. I do think there's potential with this team.

100 percent true. USA dominated the whole game, especially the second period, even the announcer said Germany was just weathering the storm. Anyone know if Mueller's goal was changed to Skille?If not, good to see Mueller score!!! :D Considering Im a yotes fan. But, wow oh wow, Okposo is just a beast.

I'm not so sure. The power play was more of a philosophical problem. Rather than trying to work down low where the German defense looked weak...they were blasting point shot after point shot wide left, wide right, and ten feet high...or worse...right into the German PK. Puck possesion wasn't really a problem.

...and Ryan would've been a force down low. That's exactly what I was referring to with my comment. I think that Ryan would help immensely on this team.

...and Ryan would've been a force down low. That's exactly what I was referring to with my comment. I think that Ryan would help immensely on this team.

I agree, but Ryan (understandably) didn't want to be the "13th forward"/PP specialist guy. Anyway, I guess the only thing worse than this loss is to not have gotten a point at all. If the U.S. can beat Canada they'll be right back in business. I look for a much better effort tomorrow.

I agree, but Ryan (understandably) didn't want to be the "13th forward"/PP specialist guy. Anyway, I guess the only thing worse than this loss is to not have gotten a point at all.

Well, he shouldn't have been had he made the team anyway. The US brass just looks stupid for not adding him. I know, Rabid, we've talked about this a lot. I just think it will become a glaring omission later on in the tournament.

Who cares about Bobby Ryan? The problem for the Americans was finishing, not creating, or taking control of the play (except in OT where I doubt Ryan would have seen the ice). The US outplayed the Germans by a more than fair margin. They couldn't convert when they had chances. You can't say "well Bobby Ryan would have" Ryan Stoa would have scored if he didn't hit the post with a wide open net. Pat Kane leads the OHL in scoring, he was one of the better players on the ice, the goalie was just that much better than everyone else on the ice. This isn't a sinking ship - not yet. Meanwhile, we can all go back to marvelling at Kyle Okposo just because he looked better than everyone else did as far as blowing chances go.

Who cares about Bobby Ryan? The problem for the Americans was finishing, not creating, or taking control of the play (except in OT where I doubt Ryan would have seen the ice). The US outplayed the Germans by a more than fair margin. They couldn't convert when they had chances. You can't say "well Bobby Ryan would have" Ryan Stoa would have scored if he didn't hit the post with a wide open net. Pat Kane leads the OHL in scoring, he was one of the better players on the ice, the goalie was just that much better than everyone else on the ice. This isn't a sinking ship - not yet. Meanwhile, we can all go back to marvelling at Kyle Okposo just because he looked better than everyone else did as far as blowing chances go.

...and if you had a big guy like Ryan to bang home rebounds, we wouldn't be talking about how many missed chances they had. There is no one on this team that is built to do that.

Well, he shouldn't have been had he made the team anyway. The US brass just looks stupid for not adding him. I know, Rabid, we've talked about this a lot. I just think it will become a glaring omission later on in the tournament.

I'll have to admit that he probably would have made the differance today (on the PP). I can't say for sure whether his absence will spell doom for the team, but you can never have enough skill IMO.

What a suprise!!! :clap:

I'll have to admit that he probably would have made the differance today (on the PP). I can't say for sure whether his absence will spell doom for the team, but you can never have enough skill IMO.

He's just what the doctor ordered for this team, IMO. It's not like he's going to be trying to dispy doodle through everyone out there, either. If he's told to just go to the net, he'd do that and create havoc. I agree that it's too early to spell doom for us, but I'd feel much better had we put Ryan on the team.

...and if you had a big guy like Ryan to bang home rebounds, we wouldn't be talking about how many missed chances they had. There is no one on this team that is built to do that.

They had plenty of guys on the ice more than capable of doing just that.

They had plenty of guys on the ice more than capable of doing just that.


I have to agree with this, at least in the sense that today was more an issue of missed opportunities rather than lack of opportunities. All I can hope is the U.S. can cash in a bit better tomorrow.

They had plenty of guys on the ice more than capable of doing just that.

Name who our big power forwards are who dock themselves in front of the net.

there weren't a whole lot of rebounds to bang home. that german goaltender was absorbing them all.

there weren't a whole lot of rebounds to bang home. that german goaltender was absorbing them all.

...and if there aren't rebounds, Ryan stands there and screens the goalie. I can name a ton of things that he brings that no one else on this team will be able to do as good as him.