Does Steve Downie go after Jack Johnson?

Because of what happened last year, does Downie seek out Johnson and take him out of the game? It should be interesting.......

Absolutely NOT. Downie knows what this tournament means and I think he keeps his head on straight in terms of doing what is best for Team Canada. Johnson will get his retribution when he and Downie face each other in the NHL.

I think it would be very stupid of him.

Hopefully Downie goes after him and gets himself ejected and a 5 minute powerplay for the US.

I would love to see Steve Downie act like a fool against the US.

Absolutely NOT. Downie knows what this tournament means and I think he keeps his head on straight in terms of doing what is best for Team Canada. Johnson will get his retribution when he and Downie face each other in the NHL.

Pretty sure Johnson would tune Downie up.

Absolutely NOT. Downie knows what this tournament means and I think he keeps his head on straight in terms of doing what is best for Team Canada. Johnson will get his retribution when he and Downie face each other in the NHL.

We can only hope. Downie is not a guy well known for keeping his head on straight.

I think it would be very stupid of him.

Well that fits his MO so I don't doubt it for a second. He'll do something stupid.

They have agreed to go at it at the strip club on New Years Eve. I am not at liberty to divulge which club.

Well that fits his MO so I don't doubt it for a second. He'll do something stupid.

Yeah I know it does. But I doubt he does at the WJC.

Well that fits his MO so I don't doubt it for a second. He'll do something stupid.

One of the stupidest players in the game, IMO. Can't wait to see him try his **** at the NHL level.

Pretty sure Johnson would tune Downie up.

Provided Johnson has the courage to use his fists rather than his elbows this time...

Provided Johnson has the courage to use his fists rather than his elbows this time...

You mean provided if Downie doesn't turtle on him if Johnson bothered to drop his gloves?

Downie wouldn't do that. Downie was the best forward at last year's tournament and hopefully he will be the same at this year's tournament. He's one of my favortie players.

It's ironic to call Downie stupid and then predict he'll do something stupid to Johnson.

He's a piece of ****, but he isn't stupid in the sense that he would do something to hurt his team. He'll take all his 'behind the ref's back' cheapshots and do his usual crap, and then dive and cry when people retaliate, because that's just what he does.

He's a classless idiot who will do anything to be a dick, but it's stupid to think that he'd do something that would cost his team in any meaningful situation. He won't.

You mean provided if Downie doesn't turtle on him if Johnson bothered to drop his gloves?

I would be truely shocked if Johnson had the balls to do it.

It's ironic to call Downie stupid and then predict he'll do something stupid to Johnson.

Not really. Irony, in this case, would be an outcome that is contrary to what is expected. To call Downie stupid, and to predict that he would do something stupid would be what is expected, thus not ironic at all.

Really, Johnson and Downie are the two players in this tournament I respect the least. If they can take eachother out without affecting Canada's chances, I can't say I would cry all that much.

I would be truely shocked if Johnson had the balls to do it.

Then I guess you don't know who Jack Johnson is. Kid is a pretty tough as nails kid with a real, real nasty mean streak. Pretty sure he'd drop them if he had an opportunity to.

You mean provided if Downie doesn't turtle on him if Johnson bothered to drop his gloves?

You mean like what Johnson did to Downie last year?

You mean like what Johnson did to Downie last year?

So you wanted Johnson to fight in the WJCs? :dunno:

Once they get to the NHL and if there is still some stupid problem, then they will fight.

You mean provided if Downie doesn't turtle on him if Johnson bothered to drop his gloves?

Johnson throws hits and cheap elbows more times than Downie has ever turned down a fight. This isn't Ben Eager we're talking about.

Johnson has thrown more elbows and cheap hits than times Downie has turned down fights, so...

And Downie has thrown more cheap shots than Johnson has. What's your point? Why bother defending Downie? He's a classless *******. I'd love to have him as a Rangers prospect, admittedly, because he IS a classless ******* and a great **** disturber. Can't deny that, though, and if you do you're in denial.

So you wanted Johnson to fight in the WJCs? :dunno:

Once they get to the NHL and if there is still some stupid problem, then they will fight.

It's happened before. In fact, it happened in the 2005 WJC.

Johnson could have dropped them if he wanted too but he took the cowards way out.

And Downie has thrown more cheap shots than Johnson has. What's your point? Why bother defending Downie? He's a classless *******. I'd love to have him as a Rangers prospect, admittedly, because he IS a classless ******* and a great **** disturber. Can't deny that, though, and if you do you're in denial.

Nobody is really defending Downie.

Both are cheap shot artists, both will very likely get what they deserve at some point in their careers.

If they do it to eachother, all the better.

It's happened before. In fact, it happened in the 2005 WJC.

Johnson could have dropped them if he wanted too but he took the cowards way out.

Yeah. I'm sure as **** that the US brass would've LOVED to have seen their 2nd best player get suspended for fighting. Loved to.

Yeah, REAL cowards way out -- not getting yourself suspended for getting goaded into something by a rockheaded idiot. C'mon. Get real here. :shakehead

Nobody is really defending Downie.

Both are cheap shot artists, both will very likely get what they deserve at some point in their careers.

If they do it to eachother, all the better.

I've watched nearly every single game JJ has played at the college level and he's hardly a "cheap shot artist" as you call him. He hits harder than anyone out there and most of his hits look worse than they really are.

How many college games do you watch a year? Specifically of Jack Johnson and Michigan.

He's a nasty hitter and throws some cheap hits, but hardly a "cheap shot artist". He's not the kind of guy to rake someone across the face with his stick.

He throws cheap hits, but he is not a cheap shot artist?

Wow. Come back when you remove your red, white and blue tinted glasses. :shakehead

He throws cheap hits, but he is not a cheap shot artist?

Wow. Come back when you remove your red, white and blue tinted glasses. :shakehead

The dude doesn't go out there and deliberately try and cheap shot people. He hits some people awkwardly and some of that stuff might look a lot cheaper than it is. Jack Johnson is a hot headed player who sometimes lets his emotions get control over him. I would never put him in the "cheap shot artist" category.

Marchment is a cheap shot artist. Johnson is a hard hitter who sometimes is involved in a cheap play.

Learn the difference.

I've watched nearly every single game JJ has played at the college level and he's hardly a "cheap shot artist" as you call him. He hits harder than anyone out there and most of his hits look worse than they really are.

How many college games do you watch a year? Specifically of Jack Johnson and Michigan.

He's a nasty hitter and throws some cheap hits, but hardly a "cheap shot artist". He's not the kind of guy to rake someone across the face with his stick.

He lifted the kid's ****ing helmet up with his stick. He didn't rake him across the face.

Quit making **** up.

i dont think anything will happen, but if johnson throws some elbows, he'll be marked for sure and im positive downie wouldnt mind going after him

He lifted the kid's ****ing helmet up with his stick. He didn't rake him across the face.

Quit making **** up.

I've watched the video a billion times. He drags his stick down his face a bit. Is there nothing wrong with that to you, Mr. Flyers fan?

Yeah. I'm sure as **** that the US brass would've LOVED to have seen their 2nd best player get suspended for fighting. Loved to.

Yeah, REAL cowards way out -- not getting yourself suspended for getting goaded into something by a rockheaded idiot. C'mon. Get real here. :shakehead

I'm not saying they would have loved it. He would have been stupid if he did do that. All I'm saying is that you say Johnson is so big and tough but when it came down to that play he elbowed Downie in the head after the play was over.

He hit him with an elbow in the head after the goal was scored. It was a coward's way out. It was similar to Dale Hunter's hit on Turgeon. Granted it wasn't clsoe to being that bad.

The dude doesn't go out there and deliberately try and cheap shot people. He hits some people awkwardly and some of that stuff might look a lot cheaper than it is. Jack Johnson is a hot headed player who sometimes lets his emotions get control over him. I would never put him in the "cheap shot artist" category.

Marchment is a cheap shot artist. Johnson is a hard hitter who sometimes is involved in a cheap play.

Learn the difference.

There isn't a difference. Cheap shot artists are cheap shot artists. The fact that he has been involved in one incident already should indicate that. Over the course of his career, Johnson might have 10-15 to his name, eclipsing someone like Hatcher.

I'm not saying they would have loved it. He would have been stupid if he did do that. All I'm saying is that you say Johnson is so big and tough but when it came down to that play he elbowed Downie in the head after the play was over.

He hit him with an elbow in the head after the goal was scored. It was a coward's way out. It was similar to Dale Hunter's hit on Turgeon. Granted it wasn't clsoe to being that bad.

If it wasn't close to being as bad (which it wasn't), why would you even bother to compare the two incidents and make Johnson look worse than he is? :shakehead

I've watched the video a billion times. He drags his stick down his face a bit. Is there nothing wrong with that to you, Mr. Flyers fan?

Why let facts stand in the way of your axe grinding, Mr. Rangers fan?

The only thing wrong with Downie lifting that kid's shield was the tremendous amount of disrespect it showed. Since the game lost all touch with honor and respect, no, it doesn't bother me.

Why let facts stand in the way of your axe grinding, Mr. Rangers fan?

The only thing wrong with Downie lifting that kid's shield was the tremendous amount of disrespect it showed. Since the game lost all touch with honor and respect, no, it doesn't bother me.

All I'll say that if he tries that **** in the NHL, not only will he be suspended but someone will Bertuzzi him (which is something I'd never want to see) and break the kids neck. He really better straighten up, since this **** won't fly at the next level and I think he at least knows that unless he's totally brain dead.

And what axe am I grinding? I'm stating facts here. It's not like someone is making things up about the kid. He put his stick on kids face. I mean how :dunce: do you have to be?

If it wasn't close to being as bad (which it wasn't), why would you even bother to compare the two incidents and make Johnson look worse than he is? :shakehead

It was similar to an extent. Both were after the play and both were an intent to injure.

It was similar to an extent. Both were after the play and both were an intent to injure.

And one was on a very, very non-cheap player and the other was on one of the cheapest in the game. Not trying to make Johnson's seem okay in the least (it was retarded to do) but these are two completely different incidents. Downie was running his mouth all night and taking shots at US players as well. Johnson had enough and snapped.

I've watched nearly every single game JJ has played at the college level and he's hardly a "cheap shot artist" as you call him. He hits harder than anyone out there and most of his hits look worse than they really are.

How many college games do you watch a year? Specifically of Jack Johnson and Michigan.

He's a nasty hitter and throws some cheap hits, but hardly a "cheap shot artist". He's not the kind of guy to rake someone across the face with his stick.
Especially this season compared to last. Through 19 games this season, he has only taken 11 penalties for 33 minutes. He doesn't even lead his team in penalties. Last year through 19 games Jack had taken 32 penalties for 83 minutes, and he finished with a Michigan record 154 minutes. Many dumb/cheap penalties on his part.

He still lays the body, but has done a great job of cutting out the stupid penalties and staying out of the box. I think he finally realized spending so much time in the box each game doesn't benefit him or his team, and if he's going to take a major penalty, he's going to get his money's worth.

Especially this season compared to last. Through 19 games this season, he has only taken 11 penalties for 33 minutes. He doesn't even lead his team in penalties. Last year through 19 games Jack had taken 32 penalties for 83 minutes, and he finished with a Michigan record 154 minutes.

He still lays the body, but has done a great job of cutting out the stupid penalties and staying out of the box. I think he finally realized spending so much time in the box each game doesn't benefit him or his team, and if he's going to take a major penalty, he's going to get his money's worth.

Bingo. Jack, this year, has calmed himself a lot. He's another year older, another year more mature, etc etc.

All I'll say that if he tries that **** in the NHL, not only will he be suspended but someone will Bertuzzi him (which is something I'd never want to see) and break the kids neck. He really better straighten up, since this **** won't fly at the next level and I think he at least knows that unless he's totally brain dead.

And what axe am I grinding? I'm stating facts here. It's not like someone is making things up about the kid. He put his stick on kids face. I mean how :dunce: do you have to be?

I love it when HF posters decide that some one should/will be victimized simply because they don't care for that particular player. Cherry says some one will take out Ovechkin, you say some one will take out Downie, Canadiens fans said some one will take out Williams... the list goes on. He'll tone it down to a professional level, but Downie won't quit agitating and he won't get his come uppins because some random people on the internet are calling for it.

Second, your "facts" are bogus. You said Downie would turtle, when he has no history of it. You said he raked the player across the face with his stick, which he most definately didn't. There was no blood, there was no damage done, thus there was no raking. You're making **** up.

I love it when HF posters decide that some one should/will be victimized simply because they don't care for that particular player. Cherry says some one will take out Ovechkin, you say some one will take out Downie, Canadiens fans said some one will take out Williams... the list goes on. He'll tone it down to a professional level, but Downie won't quit agitating and he won't get his come uppins because some random people on the internet are calling for it.

Second, your "facts" are bogus. You said Downie would turtle, when he has no history of it. You said he raked the player across the face with his stick, which he most definately didn't. There was no blood, there was no damage done, thus there was no raking.

Raking doesn't have to have all this damage done. Okay, he "dragged" his stick down the kids face. How's that? Less bad sounding, but still truthful. Saying he just nicked the kids helmet is pretty far from the truth and saying he raked the kids face makes it sound worse than it is.

And I fully expect Downie to town it down to a professional level unless he wants his neck broken. If he ever tried that stick thing, he'd have his head knocked off (and I think everyone would cheer it as well).

Anyone going after Constantin Braun at the WJC's will end up with a close shave.

To add.. Johnson barely even hit Downie last year. While the intent was bad.. A few people I know were facing the reverse angle of the "hit" and Johnson's arm grazed beside Downie.

Anyone going after Constantin Braun at the WJC's will end up with a close shave.

Forgive my lack of knowledge, but who is Constantin Braun?

Then I guess you don't know who Jack Johnson is. Kid is a pretty tough as nails kid with a real, real nasty mean streak. Pretty sure he'd drop them if he had an opportunity to.

JJ plays college hockey, he doesn't fight, but I like how you are 'pretty sure' he'd drop his mitts if he had the chance! lol......

Forgive my lack of knowledge, but who is Constantin Braun?

A German forward.

Well that fits his MO so I don't doubt it for a second. He'll do something stupid.

You wish, I have faith in Downie, he didn't do anything stupid last year, as far as I recall, it was Downie that got Johnson to do something very stupid, and then Downie lead his team to a gold medal, but hey, thats just my opinion. :sarcasm:

Downie won't do anything to JJ this year cause last year JJ barely hit Downie.

IMO, Downie pulled a "Mike Ribeiro"

Downie won't do anything to JJ this year cause last year JJ barely hit Downie.

IMO, Downie pulled a "Mike Ribeiro"

And there are thousands of people who saw that live. The TV camera angle made it look like Johnson hit him.. but his shot missed Downie completely and grazed his helmet. Still, stupid thing to do, but that isn't what I'm trying to debate.

Downie won't do anything to JJ this year cause last year JJ barely hit Downie.

IMO, Downie pulled a "Mike Ribeiro"

Funny thing is, I didn't even know that. I remember seeing him elbow him but never saw the reverse angle that some Canadian posters like you are saying you saw.

If it's like that, then Downie is even more pathetic than I thought.

JJ plays college hockey, he doesn't fight, but I like how you are 'pretty sure' he'd drop his mitts if he had the chance! lol......

How about the simple fact that the kid is tough? How is that not enough for you? He's a tough kid and kids like him don't normally run with their tails between their legs.

I don't understand all of the hate for Downie, when Bill Guerin seems to get a pass. What Guerin did to a teamate is 10x worse than what Downie did, IMO.

You mean provided if Downie doesn't turtle on him if Johnson bothered to drop his gloves?

Downie would go him and probably do half decent. Downie can scrap...

Downie would go him and probably do half decent. Downie can scrap...

I think it'd be a great fight and I hope it happens one day. I'm just taking a shot at the poster who thought he had some type of insight.

I don't understand all of the hate for Downie, when Bill Guerin seems to get a pass. What Guerin did to a teamate is 10x worse than what Downie did, IMO.

BG is a ****ing idiot, too.

BG is a ****ing idiot, too.

Yet somehow it seems that the Guerin thing was swept under the rug and forgotten about so quickly. It's never talked about. I find it more disgusting than either the McSorely or Bertuzzi incidents. Guering attacked a young kid in a preseason practice. How scummy can you be?

this thread is hilarious.

funny how salty people can get about particular players when the circumstances make it right. I'm American, i liked downie before the flyers drafted him and being a flyers fan I'm obviously happy about that. I like johnson too however. Two players that wear their hearts on their sleeves and play the game with passion. IMO thats something we should be enjoying, not getting sand in everyone's vaginas and whining like little girls, acting like downie tried to chop someones head off when his stick tapped a guy's forehead.

hey, i dislike darcy tucker a lot but i wouldn't go near as far as to call the guy scum or something similar.

some of the crap said in here is so completely over dramatic and ridiculous, its beyond funny.

I don't understand all of the hate for Downie, when Bill Guerin seems to get a pass. What Guerin did to a teamate is 10x worse than what Downie did, IMO.

I agree, but this thread is not about Guerin. If you want to start a thread about what a stupid ***** BG is, go ahead, and I'll post in that thread agreeing with you 100%

I agree, but this thread is not about Guerin. If you want to start a thread about what a stupid ***** BG is, go ahead, and I'll post in that thread agreeing with you 100%

Why can't I just completely derail this thread?;)

i hope downie kicks him in the face... just for you Jon Prescription

Jon Perscription:

Just curious to know how many games you've seen Downie play in terms of the OHL, Windsor or Peterborough, and just because a kid is "tough as nails" doesnt mean he can fight, a hockey fight is different from laying a bodycheck, I havent seen much of Johnson but unless the guy has experience fighting, he doesnt stand a chance against an experienced fighter like Downie.

I dont wanna start a flamewar, just Id appreciate it if you though out certain comments before making bold statements, especially since you've already condemned Downie as a 'Cheap-shot artist' you've also made alot of bad comments about the kid, step back for a second and realize what you've been saying, its really sad to see so much hate for a kid trying to play his game, which is agitate, in all professional sports people agitate and players like Johnson who are supposed to be the future of the NHL should know not to let it affect them.

All im saying it try to calm down with all the hate towards Downie, because your opinions are being affected by your hate for him.

If he does anything I hope it's just a good hard clean check, or even better just beat him on the scoreboard.

If he does anything I hope it's just a good hard clean check, or even better just beat him on the scoreboard.

I hope they have sex

I don't know who this Downie fellow is, but if he wants to get his shít ruined, he should certainly go after JJ.

I noticed that someone said something about JJ not fighting because he plays College Hockey, and that's a tad false. He fought when he played Michigan State and got suspended. I didn't see it, but from what I've heard, it was him sticking up for a teammate.

The more you know...

they are teenagers.. so they better fight like dirty teenagers with nothing to lose.. everyones worst nightmare..

Folks, keep it civil or it will be closed.

Downie might be a **** disturber, but he's not a Darcy Tucker. He doesn't dive every shift, he doesn't fake injuries, and he certainly doesn't turtle. If JJ is "tough as nails" then Downie is the man of steel. He's one tough SOB that likes to drop the gloves. He runs his mouth a lot, and it annoys me sometimes. He plays on the edge and that gets him into trouble sometimes too. But he does what it takes to win, how can you hate someone that just wants to win?

I'd love to see him fight JJ. Downie is an experienced fighter with a ton of strength, and thick, meaty arms like Eric Cairns that really pack a strong punch.

I really question Jon's knowledge of the player in question. How many OHL games have you actually watched? Or do you rely on the few and far between "incidents" that are discussed on this board? I seriously don't think you've seen him play a lot. The guy is quite skilled on top of his toughness.

Every quality you've described of Johnson, also describes Downie. It's just that one player you like, and one player you hate (probably because he's a Flyers prospect).

And there was no raking of the face. He tried to lift the guy's helmet off by the visor. I don't even think the stick touched his face. If it did, it was incidental. Stupid move for sure, but come on, there was no malicious intent there.

The worst thing a player can do in this tourney is carry in a grudge from last year. I am not a huge Downie fan but I think he is bright enough to realize that there is no point in even worrying about JJ. If he fights he is tossed why bother? He will go out there and get under JJ skin and make him take the stupid penalty not the opposite. Downie only pulls stupid crap if the team is down and will not win. If the team is up he is great at making the other team pissy and want to fight him.

He throws cheap hits, but he is not a cheap shot artist?

Wow. Come back when you remove your red, white and blue tinted glasses. :shakehead

seems like your worried that jack will surpass the great p-train. i don't blame you it will happen. now as for downie fighting johnson if it happens downie leaves on a stretcher. as who is the biggest cheap shot artist downie by a country mile. take off your flames glasses . it seems the smoke is still comming out of you.

http://tsn.ca/world_jrs/news_story/?ID=189673&hubname=

LEKSAND, Sweden (CP) - The players chosen for Canada's junior men's hockey team began putting on their game faces when their bus left Stockholm on Monday morning.

It was a contemplative group during the four hours it took to travel the rolling, tree-lined highway to Leksand, where Canada opens defence of its back-to-back world junior hockey championships Tuesday against the host Swedes (TSN and TSN Broadband - 12:30pm et/9:30am pt).

''On the bus trip here, everyone could feel it,'' forward Bryan Little said after the team's first practice at Ejendals Arena. ''It was pretty quiet, but I think everyone was getting excited.''

Canada has won the last two tournaments and both of them were held in North America.

''It doesn't matter if you are playing two minutes or 22 minutes, every player, we need their best,'' head coach Craig Hartsburg said.

Hartsburg gave Tri-City Americans goaltender Carey Price the nod to start Tuesday against the Swedes in a game that has been sold out for weeks.

The 19-year-old Montreal Canadiens prospect wasn't in net for a 3-2 exhibition loss to the Swedes on Friday in Stockholm, where Canada squandered a two-goal lead. But Price says he learned plenty about the Swedes watching from the bench.

''I saw they were really talented and they can move the puck around really fast,'' he said. ''You've got to watch the back-door plays and be aware out there.''

The Swedes have snipers Nicklas Bergfors, who plays for the New Jersey Devils' AHL team, and Nicklas Backstrom, the highest European drafted this year going fourth overall to Washington.

Expect Canadian defencemen Marc Staal, named the best at his position at the 2006 world junior tournament in Vancouver, and partner Ryan Parent, to see a lot of the Bergfors line. The Swedes also have Calgary Hitmen forward Fredrik Pettersson in their lineup.

Hartsburg felt Canada's sloppy play late in Friday's game was likely due to mental fatigue. The players have had a couple days in Stockholm to rest and buy Christmas presents for each other since then.

Steve Downie, an all-star forward for Canada in Vancouver, fell on the wrong side of the law at the end of the exhibition game with a double minor and a 10-minute misconduct for butt-ending.
Hartsburg said he and the Peterborough Petes forward have discussed the incident.

''We know that he can stay on the right side of that line and he's going to have to,'' Hartsburg said. ''It's very important for our hockey team that we have him on the ice.

''We've got to make sure he's playing that game without crossing that line.''

The line of centre Andrew Cogliano, Downie and Brad Marchand that gelled during selection camp has remained intact heading into the tournament.

The other forward lines at practice Monday had wingers Ryan O'Marra and 17-year-old Sam Gagner flanking Jonathan Toews, Little centring James Neal and Tom Pyatt, and Marc-Andre Cliche rotating wingers Dan Bertram, Darren Helm and Kenndal McArdle.

Canada, Sweden, the U.S., Slovakia and Germany make up Pool A, while Russia, the Czech Republic, Switzerland, Finland and Belarus are in Pool B.

The teams with the best records in each pool earn byes to the semifinals, while the runners-up cross over to meet the third-place team from the other pool in the quarter-finals.

Canada plays all but one of its round-robin games in Leksand. The defending champs meet the U.S. in Mora on Wednesday (TSN and TSN Broadband, 1pm et/10am pt).

The Ejendals Arena, built in 2005 to replace the previous arena on the same site, has a capacity of 7,600 and no more tickets were said to be available for Tuesday's game.

The Canadian players, coaches and support staff have a small hotel to themselves and need just a few minutes to walk to the arena, which is the regular home of the professional club Leksand Stars, who play one division below the Swedish Elite League.

Montreal Canadiens forward Michael Ryder spent a season with Leksand during the NHL lockout.

Leksand's population is about 15,400. Mora, about 60 kilometres away at the north end of Lake Siljan, has a population of about 20,000.

doesnt look like he has changed his ways too much.

What the hell is butt-ending!?

What the hell is butt-ending!?

When you poke someone with the top of your stick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf5SanphHBo

Although labeled wrong, here is "the" play.

I'd love to see someone take a run at Johnson...payback is a *****. Regardless of whether he fully connected is not the point. It was quite clear what he was trying to do.

Should he? No. It's stupid **** like that which will keep us from landing a 3rd straight.

Will he? I don't doubt it.

Downie might be a **** disturber, but he's not a Darcy Tucker. He doesn't dive every shift, he doesn't fake injuries, .

He already admitted he was pulling a Ribeiro with the Jack Johnson elbow.

But you're right, he's no Tucker, he'll never score 20-30 goals in the NHL.

EDIT: Changed Butt end to elbow, I got confused.

He already admitted he was pulling a Ribeiro with the Jack Johnson butt end.

But you're right, he's no Tucker, he'll never score 20-30 goals in the NHL.

Butt end with the elbow?

He already admitted he was pulling a Ribeiro with the Jack Johnson butt end.

But you're right, he's no Tucker, he'll never score 20-30 goals in the NHL.Hmm, must've missed that interview. Link?

Downie won't do anything to JJ this year cause last year JJ barely hit Downie.

IMO, Downie pulled a "Mike Ribeiro"

Seriously I think most reasonable people realize this. It is sad that out of nationalism people try to make a big deal out of this. As if Jack Johnson somehow assaulted their family or something.

Hmm, must've missed that interview. Link?

I suggest you search the recent TSN interview with Downie, I think I saw it last night.

Butt end with the elbow?

My appologies, I was simply reading the board, and not going by memory, someone was talknig about a butt end just before I posted, and I said butt end.

Pretty sure Johnson would tune Downie up.
From watching alot of Downie's games with the Peterborough Petes the last 2 years, I'll tell you one thing, Downie knows how to throw em, IMO he'd give Johnson a pretty good surprise and beating if they dropped the mitts.

What the hell is butt-ending!?

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

I was GOING to call you out on how wrong you are throughout this thread, but now i feel sorry for you, 14k posts and all.

From watching alot of Downie's games with the Peterborough Petes the last 2 years, I'll tell you one thing, Downie knows how to throw em, IMO he'd give Johnson a pretty good surprise and beating if they dropped the mitts.
Very true.

I hope that he flattens him with a big FORECHECK.....

I hope that he flattens him with a big FORECHECK.....

He would flatten him with a big forecheck too, that dirty son of a..

how's steve's mom doing anyways?

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

I was GOING to call you out on how wrong you are throughout this thread, but now i feel sorry for you, 14k posts and all.

Go ahead and "call" me out on "how wrong" I am throughout this thread. What have I said that is grossly wrong? I have no problem talking about things in a civil manner, which you obviously wouldn't know about.

And you laugh because I'd never heard the term butt-ending before? Man alive, the posting level here has seriously dropped if this is the caliber post found on the board now.

The fact that you are trying to defend Jack Johnson when he is clearly a cheap player(which you basically admit) is funny. Oh.. oh.. he sometimes is involved in cheap plays but he's not a cheap shot artist. He also lets his emotions get to him, causing him to make these cheap plays, but he's only human, right? The fact of the matter is that he is a dirty player. He may not be marchment dirty, but he's definitely dirty. Marchment isn't dirty game in game out either, but sometimes he is "involved in cheap plays" or he "lets his emotions get to him".

As for the butt-ending comment, I find it humorous that you haven't heard of the term and you have over 14000 posts. If you had spent some of your time actually PLAYING hockey, rather than posting on hfboards and god knows where else, then you would have heard of the term. It is similar to spearing, but with the knob of the stick and is usually done while holding the stick normally. It is a similar motion to elbowing, something Johnson is also good at. Coincidence? I think not.

The fact that you are trying to defend Jack Johnson when he is clearly a cheap player(which you basically admit) is funny. Oh.. oh.. he sometimes is involved in cheap plays but he's not a cheap shot artist. He also lets his emotions get to him, causing him to make these cheap plays, but he's only human, right? The fact of the matter is that he is a dirty player. He may not be marchment dirty, but he's definitely dirty. Marchment isn't dirty game in game out either, but sometimes he is "involved in cheap plays" or he "lets his emotions get to him".

As for the butt-ending comment, I find it humorous that you haven't heard of the term and you have over 14000 posts. If you had spent some of your time actually PLAYING hockey, rather than posting on hfboards and AO knows where else, then you would have heard of the term. It is similar to spearing, but with the knob of the stick and is usually done while holding the stick normally. It is a similar motion to elbowing, something Johnson is also good at. Coincidence? I think not.


Funny thing is , is that every thing you just stated about Johnson is true about Downie.

Funny thing is , is that every thing you just stated about Johnson is true about Downie.

Oh, i FULLY agree, but I was talking about johnson.

Played hockey for a long time and never, ever heard of "butt-ending". Never seen it called, never had it called against me. I've seen the knob of the stick into the midsection called spearing a BILLION times -- with the motions similar to elbowing. Never, ever heard of it called "butt-ending" and only heard it called spearing.

Instead of laughing like a fool, you could've asked nicely how come I had never heard of it and you would've gotten the above response.

And to compare Johnson to Marchment in the least is just plain wrong, IMO. I don't even feel like going beyond that, as there's no reason to comment. Marchment goes out there thinking to injure people. If you've ever watched Johnson at the college level, most of his penalties result from "hitting too hard" (the NCAA routinely calls players for a roughing penalty, boarding, etc just for a great, hard hit) rather than something intentionally cheap.

He has a very, very undeserved rep for something that he did to Downie that even Canadian fans admit was more Downie acting than Johnson hitting.

Played hockey for a long time and never, ever heard of "butt-ending". Never seen it called, never had it called against me. I've seen the knob of the stick into the midsection called spearing a BILLION times -- with the motions similar to elbowing. Never, ever heard of it called "butt-ending" and only heard it called spearing.

Funny, i've heard both called about equally up here in canada.
Here's the difference according to the NHL rulebook:

Spearing http://www.nhl.com/rules/rule86.html
Butt-ending http://www.nhl.com/rules/rule46.html



Instead of laughing like a fool, you could've asked nicely how come I had never heard of it and you would've gotten the above response.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, but I don't know what they're pawning off as hockey down there and I find it funny. So what. People can laugh at me all they want, and that's great. I'm glad to provide a few laughs.



And to compare Johnson to Marchment in the least is just plain wrong, IMO. I don't even feel like going beyond that, as there's no reason to comment. Marchment goes out there thinking to injure people. If you've ever watched Johnson at the college level, most of his penalties result from "hitting too hard" (the NCAA routinely calls players for a roughing penalty, boarding, etc just for a great, hard hit) rather than something intentionally cheap.

He has a very, very undeserved rep for something that he did to Downie that even Canadian fans admit was more Downie acting than Johnson hitting.

johnson is a punk and DOES intend to injure players IMO. Last time i checked my opinion was a valid one. You have admitted that some of his plays are cheap so I'm not too sure where you're coming from.

His plays last year were hot headed and indeed some were cheap. This year, haven't seen any of that so far from him at Michigan. He toned his play down a lot and his hotheadedness even more.

That i can respect. I honestly haven't seen the kid in action all year. Obviously most players tone it down as they mature so this would make sense. Downie, on the other hand, isn't most players and will continue to be an extremely cheap player his entire career. He comes off as VERY backcountry and EXTREMELY unintelligent.

That i can respect. I honestly haven't seen the kid in action all year. Obviously most players tone it down as they mature so this would make sense. Downie, on the other hand, isn't most players and will continue to be an extremely cheap player his entire career. He comes off as VERY backcountry and EXTREMELY unintelligent.

Yeah, I think that everyone was screaming at Johnson to cool it a bit. He took penalties that hurt his team a few times and I think that Red got it into his head that to succeed at the next level he must tone it down. It's a good thing, since I think it's made him a better player, overall. He's a smart kid on the ice even if he loses it from time to time.

As a Canadian and one of the biggest supporters of our juniors.









I am proud to say that Steve Downie is one of the stupidest, dirtiest players and I hope he goes after JJ so he can get himself booted out of the tournament and we are free from his dumb penalties.

The fact that you are trying to defend Jack Johnson when he is clearly a cheap player(which you basically admit) is funny. Oh.. oh.. he sometimes is involved in cheap plays but he's not a cheap shot artist. He also lets his emotions get to him, causing him to make these cheap plays, but he's only human, right? The fact of the matter is that he is a dirty player. He may not be marchment dirty, but he's definitely dirty. Marchment isn't dirty game in game out either, but sometimes he is "involved in cheap plays" or he "lets his emotions get to him".

As for the butt-ending comment, I find it humorous that you haven't heard of the term and you have over 14000 posts. If you had spent some of your time actually PLAYING hockey, rather than posting on hfboards and god knows where else, then you would have heard of the term. It is similar to spearing, but with the knob of the stick and is usually done while holding the stick normally. It is a similar motion to elbowing, something Johnson is also good at. Coincidence? I think not.
There was a time that butt-ending, or being butt ended was called getting a 'six incher'. The term isn't used anymore maybe because of the easy double entendre.

I think it will be a non issue the whole game unless it's a blowout and I don't think it will be a blowout.

It's ironic to call Downie stupid and then predict he'll do something stupid to Johnson.

He's a piece of ****, but he isn't stupid in the sense that he would do something to hurt his team. He'll take all his 'behind the ref's back' cheapshots and do his usual crap, and then dive and cry when people retaliate, because that's just what he does.

He's a classless idiot who will do anything to be a dick, but it's stupid to think that he'd do something that would cost his team in any meaningful situation. He won't.

I think the thread should have ended right when this was posted. However, as usual, some people likes to stir ****, just like Downie,. :shakehead

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, but I don't know what they're pawning off as hockey down there and I find it funny. So what. People can laugh at me all they want, and that's great. I'm glad to provide a few laughs.



Being laughed at on HFboards is no accomplishment, buddy. People won't take you seriously.

Man alive, the posting level here has seriously dropped if this is the caliber post found on the board now.

Totally agree about this.

LOL They just showed the Johnson "elbow" on TSN. Johnson barely clipped Downie. At best, he nudged his helmet a bit and fell like a sac of bricks. Maybe he should join Canada's swim team.

for the record, butt ending is a pretty standard term in the us as well. im a ref so its a pretty obvious thing to me, and ive never seen a butt end called a spear. having said that, different areas have different terminology. if i wasnt a ref, i wouldnt know what half the terms are for things in the game, and ive played for over 25 years at decent levels.

LOL They just showed the Johnson "elbow" on TSN. Johnson barely clipped Downie. At best, he nudged his helmet a bit and fell like a sac of bricks. Maybe he should join Canada's swim team.

Perhaps he clipped him near the ear he wears his hearing aid in?

LOL They just showed the Johnson "elbow" on TSN. Johnson barely clipped Downie. At best, he nudged his helmet a bit and fell like a sac of bricks. Maybe he should join Canada's swim team.

:)

I would say Downie won round 2, thats 2-0 for Downie. :D

LOL They just showed the Johnson "elbow" on TSN. Johnson barely clipped Downie. At best, he nudged his helmet a bit and fell like a sac of bricks. Maybe he should join Canada's swim team.

I don't understand how people can think Downie didn't dive :dunno: Watching the vid, it would seem logical that if JJ actually connected with the elbow, Downie would've fallen backwards rather than diving forward.

Absolutely NOT. Downie knows what this tournament means and I think he keeps his head on straight in terms of doing what is best for Team Canada. Johnson will get his retribution when he and Downie face each other in the NHL.

Too bad they will only play eachother once every millenium being in different conferences:banghead:

Both players played important roles in ths game. Downie Help Canada win by keeping possesion in the US zone along the boards ant drawing a penalty or two, while only taking one penalty that ended puting Canada down one man.

JJ helped the US lose this game with awful turnovers and clueless Defense

JJ helped the US lose this game with awful turnovers and clueless Defense
agreed
never liked him, never will

Downie clearly dived and nobody can argue that. Johnson should have been suspended for the attempt though. Just because he had no aim does not take away the intent to injure.

Because of what happened last year, does Downie seek out Johnson and take him out of the game? It should be interesting.......

Why, because Downey dove after Johnson missed with an elbow?