Deferring on the shootout?

TheDevilMadeMe
12-19-2006, 10:14 PM
Is there any other team that actually gives the opponent the chance to shoot first?

I don't get it. Why just give your opponent the chance to set the momentum?

Muttley
12-19-2006, 10:30 PM
Is there any other team that actually gives the opponent the chance to shoot first?

I don't get it. Why just give your opponent the chance to set the momentum?

If Marty makes that initial save, then the "momentum" is on the Devils side. Marty's great in the shootout. Why not? Julien bet on Marty tonight, but it was one of the rare occasions Marty has been off.

pepe22
12-19-2006, 10:31 PM
Is there a choice? I thought that like baseball, the home team had the last shot.

LetNoneIn
12-19-2006, 10:33 PM
Ironically, the answer is Atlanta, which has deferred in the shootout on home ice, as they feel Lehtonen is money. But it cost them in a shootout against Tampa and I don't think they do it anymore.

btw - Lehtonen, in the postgame show, said Hartley told him that Parise only has one shootout move, the backhand/up. Good scouting.

Feed Me A Stray Cat
12-19-2006, 10:39 PM
btw - Lehtonen, in the postgame show, said Hartley told him that Parise only has one shootout move, the backhand/up. Good scouting.

Not really, considering it isn't Parise's only move.

Muttley
12-19-2006, 10:42 PM
Speaking of moves, how come Gomez didn't participate in the SO, when he was a big surpise last year? He had that patended little move where he got it through the five hole?

MissionHockey
12-19-2006, 10:54 PM
Ironically, the answer is Atlanta, which has deferred in the shootout on home ice, as they feel Lehtonen is money. But it cost them in a shootout against Tampa and I don't think they do it anymore.

btw - Lehtonen, in the postgame show, said Hartley told him that Parise only has one shootout move, the backhand/up. Good scouting.


Parise has more than one move, but he never shoots on a break away. Makes him a little more predictable.

cj225
12-20-2006, 09:45 AM
LA did it a few weeks ago when we were out there and it wasn't the first time they've done it!

TB Sheets
12-20-2006, 10:13 AM
Parise ALWAYS skates in, dips his head and lifts his leg to fake a shot and then goes backhand.

OK, maybe not always, but 9 times out of 10.

JerryGigantic
12-20-2006, 12:47 PM
Is there a choice? I thought that like baseball, the home team had the last shot.

There is a choice for the home team and I've seen it go about 50/50 out in the league. However, the Devils always bank on Marty -- and have been right 4 out of 6 times this year.

Devilsfanatic
12-20-2006, 12:51 PM
Not really, considering it isn't Parise's only move.

Yes it is.....all 3 s/o goals were scored like that.

JerryGigantic
12-20-2006, 12:51 PM
Ironically, the answer is Atlanta, which has deferred in the shootout on home ice, as they feel Lehtonen is money. But it cost them in a shootout against Tampa and I don't think they do it anymore.

btw - Lehtonen, in the postgame show, said Hartley told him that Parise only has one shootout move, the backhand/up. Good scouting.

Gio and Parise both use that backhand move. The backhand, in general, is having a renaissance in the "new NHL" this season, for whatever reason. Chico even mentioned it during the Thrashers game...

Thordic
12-21-2006, 11:21 AM
Shooting second makes sense.

If you shoot first, you can walk off the ice on an opponents goal without a chance to answer back since you shot first.

Shooting second lets you get the deciding final shot. You don't want the visiting team to score a walk-off goal if you can help it.

Thats the way I look at it.

Feed Me A Stray Cat
12-21-2006, 01:50 PM
Yes it is.....all 3 s/o goals were scored like that.

No it isn't...I'm not sure how much he has done it this year (I think he has tried it a couple times), but I certainly remember him, several times, attempting the slow skate in, then the late deke from the backhand to forehand and he would try to slide it past the spread out goalie. He won the shootout against the Isles last season like this.

TB Sheets
12-21-2006, 03:16 PM
No it isn't...I'm not sure how much he has done it this year (I think he has tried it a couple times), but I certainly remember him, several times, attempting the slow skate in, then the late deke from the backhand to forehand and he would try to slide it past the spread out goalie. He won the shootout against the Isles last season like this.

He won the shootout with the isles last season with the same head fake-deke maneuver, and has tried it everytime since. Sometimes it's forehand, sometimes it's backhand, but it's always head fake/leg lft on the faked shot and then a deke move.

Feed Me A Stray Cat
12-21-2006, 03:33 PM
He won the shootout with the isles last season with the same head fake-deke maneuver, and has tried it everytime since. Sometimes it's forehand, sometimes it's backhand, but it's always head fake/leg lft on the faked shot and then a deke move.

Ok then, but it's still a different move. Forehand and on the ice at the left side of the net is certainly different from backhand/up at the right side.

btw - Lehtonen, in the postgame show, said Hartley told him that Parise only has one shootout move, the backhand/up. Good scouting.

Not the case!

TB Sheets
12-22-2006, 10:19 AM
Yeah, but a scouting report that said "Don't fall for the shot fake - wait it out and he'll try to deke" is a good scouting report - and effectively makes it much more likely that the goalie would make the stop.

David Puddy
12-22-2006, 12:09 PM
Marty Brodeur and Scott Clemmensen have stopped 68.2% of shots faced in the shootout this year. The Devils various shooters have only scored 38.1% success rate. Just going by the percentages, it is better for New Jersey to have Marty or Scott out there first.

Also, Brodeur and Clemmensen stopped 73.3% last year in the shootouts, and Devils shooters scored 40% of the time.

Gio and Parise both use that backhand move. The backhand, in general, is having a renaissance in the "new NHL" this season, for whatever reason. Chico even mentioned it during the Thrashers game...When Chico Resch discussed the backhander, he said it is difficult for the goaltender because the goalie can't read the shooter's eyes.