Look at this doozy of a rumor I found on the main board

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=7389061#post7389061

From the poster "Jericho87 (http://hfboards.com/member.php?u=42385)"

And this from The Sun:

Confirm or deny: The Edmonton Oilers would part with Raffi Torres and a No. 1 draft pick in order to add Tucker to their lineup ... Should Sundin waive his no-trade clause at the trade deadline -- and the only way he would do that would be if he thinks the Leafs won't make the playoffs -- don't be surprised if Anaheim takes a run at the captain. Sundin would have $1.7 million US left on his contract at that time and the Ducks have cap room ...

:dunno: Well, I suppose it is not really a rumor now that I look at it again. More of a hypothetical. Interesting nevertheless. :)

LOL, last year it was "Niedermayer or Pronger?" threads and now we have them both.

This year I think we've had at least a couple "Selanne or Sundin?" threads. Maybe we'll have both of them, too.

Yeah, it's possible. I'd guess that Toronto would ask for Bobby Ryan in return though.

Kunitz - McDonald - Selanne
Penner - Sundin - Marchant
Thornton - Getzlaf - Perry
Niedermayer - Pahlsson - Moen
*Shannon
*Parros

I could definitely get used to that.

The way I see it, we are going all out for the next few years to win a cup...might as well trade some assets to become a better team.

I could live without Bobby Ryan.

How many years on Perry and Getz's respective contracts. I want them on an 8 year deal minimally!

Yeah, it's possible. I'd guess that Toronto would ask for Bobby Ryan in return though.

Kunitz - McDonald - Selanne
Penner - Sundin - Marchant
Thornton - Getzlaf - Perry
Niedermayer - Pahlsson - Moen
*Shannon
*Parros

I could definitely get used to that.

Eh? I don't follow ducks hockey much, but is Mcdonald that good where Sundin would take the 2nd line role? Does he have really good chemistry with Selanne or something?

Eh? I don't follow ducks hockey much, but is Mcdonald that good where Sundin would take the 2nd line role? Does he have really good chemistry with Selanne or something?

chemistry and distribution of talent

Eh? I don't follow ducks hockey much, but is Mcdonald that good where Sundin would take the 2nd line role? Does he have really good chemistry with Selanne or something?

Yeah, its more about the chemistry he has with Selanne. Some of the passes Andy Mac feeds Selanne are just flawless.

Assuming that this is actually possible, then what would we trade to get him? :dunno:

If Burke makes a deal for a forward I don't think it will be for a center. We are already extremely deep at that position and there's no need for an upgrade. In fact, the only thing that we'd really need come playoff time is a gritty, veteren winger. I don't think Shannon or Parros will see much time down the stretch or in the playoffs.

Assuming that this is actually possible, then what would we trade to get him? :dunno:

I'm sure Burke would like to trade non-roster players and/or draft picks. If Toronto is willing to negotiate on those terms, it would seem that Bobby Ryan would have to end up as a Maple Leaf.

If Burke makes a deal for a forward I don't think it will be for a center. We are already extremely deep at that position and there's no need for an upgrade. In fact, the only thing that we'd really need come playoff time is a gritty, veteren winger. I don't think Shannon or Parros will see much time down the stretch or in the playoffs.

I think you're right, but if Toronto is dangling a guy like Sundin it could be pretty tempting.

As a Toronto fan I would be thrilled to get a player like Ryan for Mats. Would it be 1:1, or more in return for Ryan? I'd think there would have to be a little more, just in case Ryan doesn't quite turn out.

And if the Leafs are trading Mats, they'd have no reason to keep Tucker around. What would you guys give for Sundin + Tucker? At the deadline the cap hit for the two would be 2 million.

As a Toronto fan I would be thrilled to get a player like Ryan for Mats. Would it be 1:1, or more in return for Ryan? I'd think there would have to be a little more, just in case Ryan doesn't quite turn out.

And if the Leafs are trading Mats, they'd have no reason to keep Tucker around. What would you guys give for Sundin + Tucker? At the deadline the cap hit for the two would be 2 million.

Tucker is going to be so overpriced it'll be rediculous. I just can't see Burke screwing himself over like that.

My guess would be Ryan and a mid-level prospect to Toronto for Sundin.

Even at his age, adding Mats would be amazazing.... :eek: Pair him with the kids and i think the kids would explode ala Selanne...

Yeah, its more about the chemistry he has with Selanne. Some of the passes Andy Mac feeds Selanne are just flawless.
Sundin has been known to make a nice pass or two himself.

If anything like this went down, I wonder what the interest would be for Sundin to resign...I doubt high since he has been in the East for so long. I could be way off base though.

As well as things have gone I still think in the end we will need another guy, I'd rather have Darcy Tucker all things considered.

If he's healthy, I'd rather see the ducks pick up Forsberg at the deadline. He's much more of a winner and leader than Sundin, and can line up on the wing as well.

I did read at a swedish newspaper that, sundin is maybe going to ducks.:amazed:

sundin sad that he would join ducks if toronto wanted to sell him(trade).

do you think that he would do great in Ducks?

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,957085,00.html here is the link i read it from

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The very same thing is being discussed in a thread below this one.,

If anything like this went down, I wonder what the interest would be for Sundin to resign...I doubt high since he has been in the East for so long. I could be way off base though.

He has a team option for next year, so the Ducks could just pick that up and have him next season.

If he's healthy, I'd rather see the ducks pick up Forsberg at the deadline. He's much more of a winner and leader than Sundin, and can line up on the wing as well.

"If" is a big question mark regarding Forsberg's health though. It seems like he's been constantly injured the last couple of years. No doubt he's a great player, but I would hate to see the Ducks give up part of their corps of young players to get him if his health is in question. Burke has already given up a lot of the Ducks future draft choices so the young players we have now and in the system might be it for a while.

No use for Forsberg, as great he is, he's just too risky because of his god-like ability to get injured.

I did read at a swedish newspaper that, sundin is maybe going to ducks.:amazed:

sundin sad that he would join ducks if toronto wanted to sell him(trade).

do you think that he would do great in Ducks?

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,957085,00.html here is the link i read it from

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Too bad I cannot read that.

Are you just going to grab Sundin for a 3 mill center and a firstrounder to win it all?

Are you going to do that?

The Ducks don't have any first rounders to give up anytime soon.

The Ducks are one of the top offensive teams in the league. They won't be bent over by any team to add another forward.

I'd much rather add Sundin than Tucker or Forsberg...and it's not really close. Sundin is so much better than Tucker, and Forsberg is waaaaaaaaaaaay too injury prone.

The Ducks are one of the top offensive teams in the league. They won't be bent over by any team to add another forward.

Well said sir, bravo...Though we could be Sabres-esque with Sundin... :yo:

Tucker is going to be so overpriced it'll be rediculous. I just can't see Burke screwing himself over like that.

My guess would be Ryan and a mid-level prospect to Toronto for Sundin.

I can. Notice how few prospects the Canucks have in the proverbial cupboard the last two seasons?

He has a team option for next year, so the Ducks could just pick that up and have him next season.
I think he's out of our price range, now if he would take say 10 million over two years or something that could work.

LEAFS HOPE TO RE-SIGN SUNDIN.

Club attempting to re-sign its captain

NATIONAL POST: Mark Spector reports the Toronto Maple Leafs front office has decided not to shop team captain Mats Sundin prior to the February 27th trade deadline. The club hopes to re-sign Sundin to a new long-term deal by season's end that will guarantee he finishes his career in Toronto. Spector's believes Sundin could fetch "as much as a first-round draft pick, a top prospect, and a current NHL player off the lower half of another club’s roster." He also suspects the club would try to lock up Sundin to a three-year contract making him almost untradeable.

http://www.canada.com/topics/sports/...7-9e8bd179a808

If ya'll get Sundin, I'm gonna nickname you the new "Ice Yankees" of the NHL instead of Detroit :biglaugh:

If ya'll get Sundin, I'm gonna nickname you the new "Ice Yankees" of the NHL instead of Detroit :biglaugh:

Why? We have the same payroll limit everyone else has, We just have a smarter GM than most... :D

Why? We have the same payroll limit everyone else has, We just have a smarter GM than most... :D

Don't care :biglaugh:

I hear Sundin/Ryan rumours out there.

It makes sense. The Ducks window for a cup run is at about 2-3 seasons (after that Pronger,S.Neidermayer,Sundin etc... would see their production drop off).

1.7 mil. is all the Ducks would have to pay for the rest of the season towards Sundin's salary/cap.

Ryan has just been cut from the World Jr's (hard to believe).

My bro is a Ducks fan (does not care to add Sundin but realizes Ryan was likely a bad choice at #2 overall in the draft).

I hear Sundin/Ryan rumours out there.

It makes sense. The Ducks window for a cup run is at about 2-3 seasons (after that Pronger,S.Neidermayer,Sundin etc... would see their production drop off).

1.7 mil. is all the Ducks would have to pay for the rest of the season towards Sundin's salary/cap.

Ryan has just been cut from the World Jr's (hard to believe).

My bro is a Ducks fan (does not care to add Sundin but realizes Ryan was likely a bad choice at #2 overall in the draft).

Will.....not.....happen.

I would really like to see tucker as a duck. Tucker is kind a hockey player I like - he can score,pass,fight,hit...

for me tucker>sundin>forsberg

I hear Sundin/Ryan rumours out there.

It makes sense. The Ducks window for a cup run is at about 2-3 seasons (after that Pronger,S.Neidermayer,Sundin etc... would see their production drop off).

1.7 mil. is all the Ducks would have to pay for the rest of the season towards Sundin's salary/cap.

Ryan has just been cut from the World Jr's (hard to believe).

My bro is a Ducks fan (does not care to add Sundin but realizes Ryan was likely a bad choice at #2 overall in the draft).

Oh and that part is blatently incorrect. Nieds will be productive until he decides to hang em up because of the shape he keeps himself in...the fact that he skates better than everyone else and his general "next level" hockey sense. Pronger gets the majority of his points on the PP from making good decisions on the point...I don't see that coming to a halt either provided he's still surrounded by an effective PP unit.

If the Leafs get Ryan he will suddenly be a top 5 player not in the NHL.

You guys don"t need to add anybody to your team. Anaheim has an

unbelievable lineup top to bottom.

Burke gets way too much credit for the Ducks success. I think he is one of the better GM's but he has flaws too. Selanne offered himself as a gift last year which would have happened regardless of GM, Niedermayer wanted to play with his brother enough that it was a unique factor no other GM could match. Murray left a very deep propect pool that continued to develop, even accelerated, during the lockout year playing with higher calibre players, allowing Burke the luxury of having cheaply contracted depth players with high upside. I think Burke has made some very good moves but you have to acknowledge that he inherited a very good foundation.

No one's ever said otherwise.

Burke gets way too much credit for the Ducks success. I think he is one of the better GM's but he has flaws too. Selanne offered himself as a gift last year which would have happened regardless of GM, Niedermayer wanted to play with his brother enough that it was a unique factor no other GM could match. Murray left a very deep propect pool that continued to develop, even accelerated, during the lockout year playing with higher calibre players, allowing Burke the luxury of having cheaply contracted depth players with high upside. I think Burke has made some very good moves but you have to acknowledge that he inherited a very good foundation.

Yeah he did inherit a good foundation, but he did an amazing job of clearing out the junk so they could play and filling in key roles to this team's success. This is a solid all-around team. It wasn't when Burke took over. Adding Selanne and Nieds wasn't enough. This team stunk the first half of last year. They lost like 9 in a row or something. Then Burke cleaned house (Feds, Sykora) and let the kids play. Also, he's managed the cap so well that he could trade for Pronger with no problems and still have quite a bit of cap space. Plus, don't forget he hired Carlyle who has done a marvelous job of coaching this team.

People say Selanne and Nieds were no brainers and that there was solid drafting before Burke got here. That's all . Everything since has been about him managing the assets he has to form a solid team, top to bottom.

I was in Vancouver a few weeks ago and had really many good hockey talks there...

And one of them was about Niedermayer brothers... It was not 100% sure thing gifted to Ducks. There were several options.

1. Ducks

2. Canucks.

3. Devils.

Options 2 and 3 would either have included a trade for Rob or postponing reunion 1 year... They were both serious. Mr. Burke took a trip to Scotty and persuaded him to sign with Ducks. It was not just a GM calling player agent and offering (the best) deal. It was personal touch of Mr. Burke.

And if I remember correct also Selänne negotiations had twists and turns and finally signing him for just 1.000.000 was a deal made in heaven for Ducks. Not necessarily in light of numbers for Teemu, but the way Ducks organization and Mr. Burke have kept Teemu happy (Disney times he and Kariya were fed promises never covered with deeds). The result is best Ducks hockey ever, best Selänne hockey too.

I believe Mr. Burke deserves a lot of credit.

And I would love to add the personal ... hmm ... thanks! I wrote a letter to him (suggestion of Dark Knight in the allducks) and told a few words about myself, me posting at allducks (not the official site). The result was that Mr. Burke asking me to be his personal guest at the game. It was not the Ducks home game and I was not a guy posting on the official ducks site... Still Mr. Burke words about their treasuring my support... Then I told that I was meeting 2 other members of allducks family and we all got the chance to meet Mr. Burke and all the Ducks players!!! We had some 5-10 minutes of talk, we had even longer discussion with Selänne... It was magic.

Mr. Burke - the best deal Anaheim has ever made!!!

Oh and that part is blatently incorrect. Nieds will be productive until he decides to hang em up because of the shape he keeps himself in...the fact that he skates better than everyone else and his general "next level" hockey sense. Pronger gets the majority of his points on the PP from making good decisions on the point...I don't see that coming to a halt either provided he's still surrounded by an effective PP unit.
Not to mention Scott and Pronger are both SMART players. Pronger is not fast to begin with, so when he 'loses' a step he won't be affected much, he'll still have that long reach and slap shot. I'd say Pronger could be much like Scott Stevens was.

We should get Sundin and Tucker.
Sundin can play with Marchant and Penner.
Tucker can be the best winger the twins have gotten to play with.

I think the price might be higher than Bobby Ryan. His stock has plummeted in the past couple of years (still like him though). Leafs would do better taking a run a Perry. Sundin's late season services are extremely valuable and will cost the buyer.

I think the price might be higher than Bobby Ryan. His stock has plummeted in the past couple of years (still like him though). Leafs would do better taking a run a Perry. Sundin's late season services are extremely valuable and will cost the buyer.

I will guarantee you, that if Bobby Ryan was all that was sent to Toronto, I would be livid. I've never liked Ryan, and I've always thought he was drafted WAY too high.

Look for a deal of Bobby Ryan + another big value prospect, at the least to land Mats, even as just a rental.

Tucker holds the value (in my oppinion obviously) of a first round pick, and a mid level prospect (a late 2nd-early 4th round draft pick type). Ferguson won't give anyone away cheap I'd imagine.

I will guarantee you, that if Bobby Ryan was all that was sent to Toronto, I would be livid. I've never liked Ryan, and I've always thought he was drafted WAY too high.

Look for a deal of Bobby Ryan + another big value prospect, at the least to land Mats, even as just a rental.

Tucker holds the value (in my oppinion obviously) of a first round pick, and a mid level prospect (a late 2nd-early 4th round draft pick type). Ferguson won't give anyone away cheap I'd imagine.
Forget it, the leafs can keep wallowing in mediocrity if they want to be greedy.

Forget it, the leafs can keep wallowing in mediocrity if they want to be greedy.

That's fine, I disagree with the suggestion it's being greedy. I'd rather keep Mats Sundin for 2-4 more years than ever see Bobby Ryan as a Leaf.

Forget it, the leafs can keep wallowing in mediocrity if they want to be greedy.

Come on that wouldn't be greedy. Many Leafs fans qualify as "greedy" or unrealistic (take your pick) but Mats and Forsberg are the best rentals out there for a cup run. Nashville for instance are definitely taking a run at it and they have plenty of top notch assets to dangle for a player of Sundin's level if they're looking for a center.

He has a team option for next year, so the Ducks could just pick that up and have him next season.

But then it would cost them, can the Ducks afford it.

I would not mind if Sundin was traded to Anaheim and won the cup and at the same Toronto could get some young guns in and then Mats could return to the Leafs with a ring and a more mature and skilled Toronto team then he left and give it a go with the leafs before he retires.

Sounds like a win win deal for both teams and Mats.

Sundin to ducks would be weat dream comming true. We could really use legit #1 center thats known to dominate games when hes on :)

if burke makes deal like that with prospect and depth i ll jump in joy

Trade Bobby Ryan for Sundin...geez...that almost makes me feel bad for the Leafs (as an Alberta boy I didn't think that was possible.)

If ya'll get Sundin, I'm gonna nickname you the new "Ice Yankees" of the NHL instead of Detroit :biglaugh:

Please, The Wings weren't anywhere near as bad as the Rangers in this department.

Bobby Ryan, Tim Brent and a 3rd for Mats? Sound fair?

Forget it, the leafs can keep wallowing in mediocrity if they want to be greedy.

Landing Mats Sundin would be one of the biggest trade deadline acquisitions in recent history.

He has size, hands, leadership, and durability. At times, he can be the most dominant player in the game. He has shown that he can almost singlehandily win games for a team who doesn't have many consistently dominant players.

He's also 20th in APG, which is decent considering his age and his current wingers.

He's no top 10 player in the league, but for a deadline acquisition, I don't think that's being greedy.

I don't see the leafs trading the guy