Central Jersey Devil 10-17-2006, 05:40 PM Has anyone else noticed Elias looks like he has lead up his butt out there the majority of the time this season? I know he started the season slow last year because of his recovery, and rightfully so. But I would have thought that this year, especially with his newly appointed captaincy, he would be a monster out there. We could have really used him against Dallas, and also the Rangers last night.
Anyone else notice a different Patrik Elias than we are used to seeing? Is this what everyone else expected thus far? :dunno:
Colin Whites Eye 10-17-2006, 05:44 PM hes playing on a line with a rookie center whos played a grand total of 5 NHL games.
he just hasnt developed any chemistry with zajac yet, thats all. if it continues, julien will just have to shuffle the lines a bit, thats all
dkball7 10-17-2006, 05:50 PM hes playing on a line with a rookie center whos played a grand total of 5 NHL games.
he just hasnt developed any chemistry with zajac yet, thats all. if it continues, julien will just have to shuffle the lines a bit, thats all
He already has, and it worked. Although spreading out the scoring by moving Elias down to the 2nd line sparked our 15 game winning streak last year, if Parise-Zajac-Langenbrunner can score 65 or so goals combined when all is said and done, our offense would be in great shape. That of course would be figuring the EGG line to score an obscene amount of goals, which they would certainly be able to. It will be interesting to see how Julien handles this, especially since it seems like Parise and Zajac have tremendous chemestry already, and Elias and Zajac have none.
TaiMaiShu 10-17-2006, 05:52 PM He has made a couple of good plays in almost every game but it just doesn't show in the scoresheets. He'll be better.
Turd Ferguson 10-17-2006, 06:15 PM i agree with dkball7, i wanna see the egg line again, i have a feeling Puzzle line (Parise-Zajac-Langenbrunner, PZL) could put up close to 70-80 goals.
NJ_Devil_Boy 10-17-2006, 06:35 PM A little disappointed so far, but 5 games in...I'll let it slide. :D
DevilsSMASH 10-17-2006, 06:47 PM Well, also bear in mind that he drew a LOT of attention last season. I've been noticing that teams aren't giving him as much space, and keying in on him. I think it'll just be a little time before he adapts to using that to create plays.
He's had flashes of brilliance so far, but it hasn't been on the scoresheets, it's just painful watching him try to work his magic and then being assaulted by a double or triple team.
MissionHockey 10-17-2006, 07:11 PM Has anyone else noticed Elias looks like he has lead up his butt out there the majority of the time this season? I know he started the season slow last year because of his recovery, and rightfully so. But I would have thought that this year, especially with his newly appointed captaincy, he would be a monster out there. We could have really used him against Dallas, and also the Rangers last night.
Anyone else notice a different Patrik Elias than we are used to seeing? Is this what everyone else expected thus far? :dunno:
Elias is a second half player. He always picks up his point totals when they mean something, not in the begining of the season when the games don't mean half as much.
feerlessleadr 10-17-2006, 08:14 PM Elias is a second half player. He always picks up his point totals when they mean something, not in the begining of the season when the games don't mean half as much.
i beg to differ....we would have absolutely walked away with the atlantic and the eastern conference had we actually played well and won games in the first half of last season. although i do agree that he is a second half player, which is a downfall of his, and i would like to see julien do something about the second line in terms of switching some players around to give it a spark
Elias to Parise 10-17-2006, 08:17 PM He always scores in bunches..im not sayin its gonna happen but i wouldnt be suprised if he had a 3 or 4 point game tommorrow night, he kills pittsburgh..im not worried
Devils13 10-17-2006, 08:21 PM I think he's just in a little slump plus you guys are forgetting that he still has hepatits A it just doesnt go away
Devilsfanatic 10-17-2006, 08:26 PM I think he's just in a little slump plus you guys are forgetting that he still has hepatits A it just doesnt go away
wrong.
DevFan-RU- 10-17-2006, 08:44 PM I say: be patient. Elias will deliver.
Right now, the Devils are just warming up. I mean... they do have a tendency to give the other team hell. :devdance:
77 to go!
MissionHockey 10-17-2006, 08:44 PM i beg to differ....we would have absolutely walked away with the atlantic and the eastern conference had we actually played well and won games in the first half of last season. although i do agree that he is a second half player, which is a downfall of his, and i would like to see julien do something about the second line in terms of switching some players around to give it a spark
True, but so long as you don't completely sleep through the first half of the season, then your in good position after the all-star break.
Colin Whites Eye 10-17-2006, 08:46 PM I think he's just in a little slump plus you guys are forgetting that he still has hepatits A it just doesnt go away
:dunno:
Jiri Bicek 10-17-2006, 09:50 PM I think the 2nd line is a little slow for Patty.. When the EGG line starts up all 3 are flying up and down the ice.. I'd like to see just how PArise-Zajac-Langs do.. Played well last night
TB Sheets 10-17-2006, 10:33 PM 77 to go!
EVERYBODY PANIC!! :sarcasm:
A_Mack17 10-17-2006, 10:57 PM its time to trade him and marty and start rebuilding :dunno:
but seriously, i cant watch the games, but from your reports it sounds like hes doing a lot of things right and its just not showing up on the score sheet. Give him time, he'll get rolling soon enough
DevFan-RU- 10-17-2006, 11:00 PM I didnt mean "77 to go" in a bad way... just to say we have that many games to go to see how the team truely plays.
borrachon 10-17-2006, 11:25 PM The EGG line should be back together full-time. With Parise's improvement and Zajac's impressive transition to the NHL, the second line would be much better than what we had most of last year. Plus it would be cool to have the two ex-ND players together.
hockeyprincess 10-18-2006, 10:07 AM I think that Patrik Elias is the best forward in the NHL today... even better than Peter Forsberg and Ryan Smyth.
I think this because he can score so many points in such a short time.
Go #26!
I love him
Colin Whites Eye 10-18-2006, 10:12 AM I think that Patrik Elias is the best forward in the NHL today... even better than Peter Forsberg and Ryan Smyth.
I think this because he can score so many points in such a short time.
Go #26!
I love him
haha well to be fair, youre missing some other really big name forwards like jagr, thornton, kovalchuk, hossa, etc
Killer Z 10-18-2006, 10:49 AM Any word on whether the EGG line is re-uniting??? Makes no sense to keep that chemistry apart.
MissionHockey 10-18-2006, 11:02 AM I think that Patrik Elias is the best forward in the NHL today... even better than Peter Forsberg and Ryan Smyth.
I think this because he can score so many points in such a short time.
Go #26!
I love him
hmmm well I'm not sure if you know this, but there is a big difference between Peter Forsberg and Ryan Smyth.
DevFan-RU- 10-18-2006, 11:09 AM Any word on whether the EGG line is re-uniting??? Makes no sense to keep that chemistry apart.
I think Julien wants to move from a single powerhouse line which can be shut down, to several lines of depth in terms of offensive power.
This is why Elias is paired up with Zajac and such.
We dont want all our EGGs in one basket now, do we? ;)
devsjunkie 10-18-2006, 11:25 AM He has made a couple of good plays in almost every game but it just doesn't show in the scoresheets. He'll be better.
This is what is going on. He is creating so much. He is overly creating.
On the power play in particular, everyone should see it. How do you think they are able to get Gionta to the net and keep him there? It's cause Elias is darting every which way during the power play.
He is getting immense chances for the team. What he's not doing is taking many chances, and that's what he needs to do to get the scoring confidence up. If we want to serve that purpose, they probably should put EGG unit together, esp. since Zajac and Parise are finding some chemistry and that's ultimately what we should have. Our top player should be on the top line.
He has no lead anything up his anything. The game is more than the scoring sheet.
DEVILS ALL THE WAY 10-18-2006, 12:55 PM Elias is "money in the bank". If you guys are starting to get nervous about his play..... RELAX :teach:
dkball7 10-18-2006, 01:18 PM Elias is "money in the bank". If you guys are starting to get nervous about his play..... RELAX :teach:
Not nervous, just a bit confused. Then again I have only actually watched 1 game and have to go off Laughlin/highlights/statsheets/here for game info. We all just have a feeling that he isn't entirely comfortable right now. Hopefully we will see the reunion of the EGG line as long as it doesn't screw with the balance of scoring, which it may not due to the fantastic chemestry between Parise and Zajac seen so far.
sundstrom32* 10-18-2006, 03:20 PM a good post although i disagree with you. his point totals are a bit low but keep in mind zajac is rookie and our first line is lightning.
he has had his moments i would not worry about elias he is a great player and the points will come
Randal Graves 10-18-2006, 03:54 PM haha well to be fair, youre missing some other really big name forwards like jagr, thornton, kovalchuk, hossa, etc
I'm a big Kovalchuck fan myself, and the biggest difference between him and Elias that I see is Ilya's ability to create space and chances for himself. Elias is better suited as the triggerman on a play, he hardly misses as a shot (if he gets one).
Randal Graves 10-18-2006, 04:00 PM Elias is "money in the bank". If you guys are starting to get nervous about his play..... RELAX :teach:
I like Elias, and I am a big supporter of him being on this team, but his slow start is bound to bring up questions and doubts because it comes with the territory when you get paid that much and are the team's captain.
What I would like from him is some sort of explanation on why he thinks he's had a such a slow start. To date, I haven't seen one yet.
Drewr15 10-18-2006, 04:07 PM This is what is going on. He is creating so much. He is overly creating.
On the power play in particular, everyone should see it. How do you think they are able to get Gionta to the net and keep him there? It's cause Elias is darting every which way during the power play.
He is getting immense chances for the team. What he's not doing is taking many chances, and that's what he needs to do to get the scoring confidence up. If we want to serve that purpose, they probably should put EGG unit together, esp. since Zajac and Parise are finding some chemistry and that's ultimately what we should have. Our top player should be on the top line.
He has no lead anything up his anything. The game is more than the scoring sheet.
I agree with this post completely.
Poochie_D 10-18-2006, 04:09 PM Yeah I've noticed. This guy is supposed to be one of the big boys in my pool. Same with Gomez! I expected at least 75pts out of each of em. Hopefully Julien puts em together soon so they can both put up some points.
DEVILS ALL THE WAY 10-18-2006, 05:24 PM Yeah I've noticed. This guy is supposed to be one of the big boys in my pool. Same with Gomez! I expected at least 75pts out of each of em. Hopefully Julien puts em together soon so they can both put up some points.
It's been only 5 games :dunno: !!!! It's normal for Elias to be "strugling" (3points in 5 games) with Langenbruner (a solid player, but no Gomez or Gionta) and Zajac (a rookie centermen that never played professional hockey). I think that the only reason Elias is on the 2nd line, is to give Zajac more confidence in the begining of his NHL career and to balance the scoring. But if the 2nd line isn't producing, might as well put the EGG line back together and have Parise play instead of Elias.
Central Jersey Devil 10-19-2006, 10:15 PM A series of godawful penalties tonight and then an embarrassing shootout screwup. :shakehead
DevilFisch 10-19-2006, 10:17 PM A series of godawful penalties tonight and then an embarrassing shootout screwup. :shakehead
You left out 3 assists too. Elias was integral on the Devils' goals tonight. You can't only see the bad and ignore the good.
TaiMaiShu 10-19-2006, 10:18 PM A series of godawful penalties tonight and then an embarrassing shootout screwup. :shakehead
We'll he had 3 assists and some great hits tonight. As for the shootouts: **** happens.
midg14* 10-19-2006, 10:22 PM I like how he's physical. I don't like how he's not scoring as much and I think he can contribute a lot more offensively especially on the power play.
Central Jersey Devil 10-19-2006, 10:23 PM I know, I know. I'm just a frustrated, impatient Devil fan who wants everyone to do well all the time. I love Patty and I want him to excel so bad I lose my temper sometimes. :darth:
dkball7 10-19-2006, 10:26 PM I like how he's physical. I don't like how he's not scoring as much and I think he can contribute a lot more offensively especially on the power play.
Good point. He's "struggling", but after this game he's still on a point per game pace, and we know he's bound to score a bunch of goals, especially on the PP.
Colin Whites Eye 10-20-2006, 02:41 AM Yeah I've noticed. This guy is supposed to be one of the big boys in my pool. Same with Gomez! I expected at least 75pts out of each of em. Hopefully Julien puts em together soon so they can both put up some points.
gomez is like tied for 3rd in the league with 8 assists....
crashlanding 10-20-2006, 02:46 AM gomez is like tied for 3rd in the league with 8 assists....
Yeah, Gomez is on pace for 117 points and Elias is on pace for 82. Talk about a slow start. :shakehead
wingmanpei 10-20-2006, 08:01 AM Elias does seem to be off to a bit of a slow start performance wise, but it is only 5 games. Perhaps a reason for the slow start is that he may still be adjusting for and getting more comfortable with his new role with the team (captaincy). Sometimes new captains try too hard to be a leader on and off the ice by looking after everyone else and losing a bit of focus on their own game. As I said, it is only 5 games, he will be looking like the Elias of old before too long.
DevFan-RU- 10-20-2006, 09:47 AM Its better than last year's "slow start"... You know, the one where he was out half the season?
Its not worth being worried now. Wait till December. If he's still playing not so good then... be sad.
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