New Hockey News: Gomer a diver?

Just got my issue of the Hockey News and i saw they had an article on the crackdown on diving. The picture accompanying the article had our #23 Scott Gomez falling as he is being presued by Radek Martinek.

It's one moment of a game so unless you can recall the exact game and play it was from it's pretty hard to tell whether Gomez was diving. Either way: DId I miss something?

Is Scotty known as a diver? I would think THN could have come up with a few better examples. Ribiero? Kovalev? Kariya? Floppa?

I've considered Gomez a diver before and still do. He goes down PRETTY easily. He's not as bad as guys like Kariya, Avery, Forsberg, and Tucker, but he's a diver.

I really never thought of Gomer as a diver, at least no more than the average NHLer, Langs on the other hand...

He got called for diving against the Rangers last year in Game Two. I was at the game so I didn't get to see a replay. It looked like a penalty on the Rangers but usually when I go to a game I wear my homer glasses.

He got called for diving against the Rangers last year in Game Two. I was at the game so I didn't get to see a replay. It looked like a penalty on the Rangers but usually when I go to a game I wear my homer glasses.


He helped a little bit but he was tripped you could see his skateblade go sideways on the ice from somebody pulling it.

I really never thought of Gomer as a diver, at least no more than the average NHLer, Langs on the other hand...

:biglaugh: Followed by a unending stream of profanity after the penalty...

:biglaugh: Followed by a unending stream of profanity after the penalty...

Yeah, sometimes I wish Jamie would shut his yap and get in the box.

One thing I always noticed about Gomez is that he goes down easy, but he always gets up as quick as he can as if he's not trying to sell anything.

Take it for what it's worth... probably just my homer glasses.

One thing I always noticed about Gomez is that he goes down easy, but he always gets up as quick as he can as if he's not trying to sell anything.

Take it for what it's worth... probably just my homer glasses.

That's what a great diver does, though.

You can't oversell it. Otherwise you look like a fool (Derrick Roy).

That's what a great diver does, though.

You can't oversell it. Otherwise you look like a fool (Derrick Roy).

haha, point taken.

That's what a great diver does, though.

You can't oversell it. Otherwise you look like a fool (Derrick Roy).

So it's subtle embellishment :sarcasm:

Please. Gomez is a very shifty skater and I've seen him lose his footing and regain it in a heartbeat. When a small finesse player like him consistently goes into traffic areas (slot, corners etc.) they're going to lose control, or footing, or balance even on clean plays.

IMO they should just stop calling diving all together. Some "dives" are good honest plays where the player is just making it easier for the ref to see what the offender is doing. For example, if someone is hooking you and you keep your feet moving until you go down, that's technically a dive since you knew your actions would carry you to the ice and you're hoping to draw a penalty.

On plays where a player really is embellishing a non-penalty, just don't call anything. That's what they do in every other sport.

I dont cocider him a diver at all. A guy who embelishes a "trip" once or twice a season is not a diver. A guy who when slightly bumped throws the gloves in the air, hits the ice then lies there untill the trainer comes out, atleast once a month thats a diver. Obviously the last example is a stretch, but there are a ton worse players who dive alot more and and terribly obvious when they do. In short Gomez is not a
diver. But I heard he can do a mean cannon ball :)

He dives. Not as consistently as a few others but he does. Call it like you see it, people.

I've considered Gomez a diver before and still do. He goes down PRETTY easily. He's not as bad as guys like Kariya, Avery, Forsberg, and Tucker, but he's a diver.

I love how Ranger fans constantly refer to Forsberg as a 'diver.' I don't know what it is about you guys, jealousy? In the time Petey has been with us, I cannot recall him getting called for diving once. Again, you'll say, 'the refs didn't see it.' Funny you all seem to be able to see what two refs miss. Why don't you try getting a d-man who is in his league and then maybe you won't have to worry about him scoring against you so much.

I love how Ranger fans constantly refer to Forsberg as a 'diver.' I don't know what it is about you guys, jealousy? In the time Petey has been with us, I cannot recall him getting called for diving once. Again, you'll say, 'the refs didn't see it.' Funny you all seem to be able to see what two refs miss. Why don't you try getting a d-man who is in his league and then maybe you won't have to worry about him scoring against you so much.
Forsberg did play somewhere else than Philly...

When he played for the Avs he was a notorious diver, hence 'Floppa'. I didn't see him dive last year but it doesn't change the fact that he was one of the worst.

I love how Ranger fans constantly refer to Forsberg as a 'diver.' I don't know what it is about you guys, jealousy? In the time Petey has been with us, I cannot recall him getting called for diving once. Again, you'll say, 'the refs didn't see it.' Funny you all seem to be able to see what two refs miss. Why don't you try getting a d-man who is in his league and then maybe you won't have to worry about him scoring against you so much.

Want proof...October 7th, 9:13 into the 2nd Period. PM me and I'll send you the video ASAP. He flops to the ground like a rag doll.

Listen, I love Forsberg just as much as anyone, and he's taken more physical punishment than most in the NHL, but he's adapted by drawing many weak calls through his embelishment.

Hell, if anyone wants the video, let me know...it should go in the Forsberg diving hall of fame.

Want proof...October 7th, 9:13 into the 2nd Period. PM me and I'll send you the video ASAP. He flops to the ground like a rag doll.

Listen, I love Forsberg just as much as anyone, and he's taken more physical punishment than most in the NHL, but he's adapted by drawing many weak calls through his embelishment.

Hell, if anyone wants the video, let me know...it should go in the Forsberg diving hall of fame.
Is that the Crosby "trip?"

Is that the Crosby "trip?"

Nope, a Hollweg interference penalty, Hollweg is skating, Forsberg cuts right infront of him and Ryan with one hand pushes him...

But maybe Holly had a gun in his glove, b/c Forsberg went down like he was shot...

Note on Forsberg: I've seen plays where it looks like most people would be hauled down. Forsberg is a tough cookie. Maybe he needs to embellish it to get the call. I dunno.

Note on the THN photo: If you look at it, the Isles player has his foot in front of Gomer's skate. It doesn't look like he's diver.

Is that the Crosby "trip?"






you mean this? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKc_OOFQYsg)



when forsberg calls you out for diving, you should pretty much just quit life haha

you mean this? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKc_OOFQYsg)



when forsberg calls you out for diving, you should pretty much just quit life haha
No it was in the home opener for the Pens against the Flyers this year. Crosby gave Forsberg a little shove after the whistle and Forsberg went down like a ton of bricks. I heard some Flyers say Crosby "tripped" him.

I think the lesson players need to take from all that has transpired is this: don't fall down. It might cost the other team a penalty and you may be labelled a diver. Even if you plan on getting up, don't under any circumstances fall.

sorta off topic, sorta on topic. but remember last year i think it was, not sure the team but when the other teams player was skating past a tired martin and wouldve overtaken him and the puck and been alone on marty. so to stop this from happening, martin leaps on the ice and sticks his stick out to push the puck back to marty and they called him for diving. i think it was a rookie ref that made the call if i remember right. as for gomer, i agree with the post that hes a shifty player and goes into the thick of things quickly and things happen. i wouldnt say hes a diver, but most players in the heat of the moment might embellish if they think it might get a call. its nothing against them but i remember doing it a few times when i played. of course some are worse than others.....especially kariya and floppa.

So it's subtle embellishment :sarcasm:

Please. Gomez is a very shifty skater and I've seen him lose his footing and regain it in a heartbeat. When a small finesse player like him consistently goes into traffic areas (slot, corners etc.) they're going to lose control, or footing, or balance ever on clean plays.

IMO they should just stop calling diving all together. Some "dives" are good honest plays where the player is just making it easier for the ref to see what the offender is doing. For example, if someone is hooking you and you keep your feet moving until you go down, that's technically a dive since you knew your actions would carry you to the ice and you're hoping to draw a penalty.

On plays where a player really is embellishing a non-penalty, just don't call anything. That's what they do in every other sport.

dear god, that's the worst idea i think i've ever read... i mean, right up there with Neville Chamberlin, "i'm sure he'll be happy if we just let him have Czechoslovakia..."

the last thing the league should do is stop enforcing the diving rule... have you seen an international soccer game? it's a complete joke. they need to crackdown so hard on these players that they're terrified... at the same time you crackdown on interference infractions to stop that as well. a "dive" is never an "honest" play... "honesty" is actually directly contradictory to what a dive is.

i don't consider Gomez a diver, but i will also state that EVERY player in the league has dove at one point or another... some more often than others. i don't frown on it at all, it's gamesmanship and it is up to the refs and the league to police it and stop it. if a player is risking big fines and suspensions if they get caught, they will stop... it's right up there with holding in the NFL... it happens on every play, it's up to the refs to stop it... if they want to.

sorta off topic, sorta on topic. but remember last year i think it was, not sure the team but when the other teams player was skating past a tired martin and wouldve overtaken him and the puck and been alone on marty. so to stop this from happening, martin leaps on the ice and sticks his stick out to push the puck back to marty and they called him for diving. i think it was a rookie ref that made the call if i remember right. as for gomer, i agree with the post that hes a shifty player and goes into the thick of things quickly and things happen. i wouldnt say hes a diver, but most players in the heat of the moment might embellish if they think it might get a call. its nothing against them but i remember doing it a few times when i played. of course some are worse than others.....especially kariya and floppa.
It was on the PK, Martin blocked a shot at the point and went after it. The dman hooked him and he couldn't track down the puck before the other opposing defenseman rotated over to get it. Instead of letting the other team get it with him out of position, Martin dove to chip it down the ice to kill a few more seconds of the first penalty, he had no idea a ref was calling a hooking penalty on the play.

I agree though, that was the worst diving call I've ever seen, it's like the ref wasn't paying attention to the play or he thought that any type of dive was illegal.

I love how Ranger fans constantly refer to Forsberg as a 'diver.' I don't know what it is about you guys, jealousy? In the time Petey has been with us, I cannot recall him getting called for diving once. Again, you'll say, 'the refs didn't see it.' Funny you all seem to be able to see what two refs miss. Why don't you try getting a d-man who is in his league and then maybe you won't have to worry about him scoring against you so much.

Why don't you Philly fans get an ounce of gaul and admit that the dude dives? I'd love Floppa on my team. Dude's skills are insane.

He's still a pathetic diver.

Why don't you Philly fans get an ounce of gaul and admit that the dude dives? I'd love Floppa on my team. Dude's skills are insane.

He's still a pathetic diver.

The poster disappeared as soon as I offered a video from only two games back.

I'm most upset that the offsetting penalties have seem to disappeared. While not perfect, I had no problem w/ both players going off (one for the infraction, and the other for helping it along). While some may question it's effectiveness, I like seeing a player called out on it instead of this mythical league diving list memo.

Why don't you Philly fans get an ounce of gaul and admit that the dude dives? I'd love Floppa on my team. Dude's skills are insane.

He's still a pathetic diver.

he definitely dives, however, it's not as bad as it was when he was in Colorado, which is where the reputation grew. i don't think he's particularly bad as compared to some of the guys that are out there...