Jack Johnson to Kings

Why does the East continually want to make one-sided trades in favor of the Ducks' Pacific Division foes? I hate those Kings, their prospect pool is getting sick very fastly.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=179262&hubname=

the kings got the way better end in this deal. the guy who was rejected by burke on draft day will now be his neighbour...

Jack Johnson will help the Kings in the future but the trade hurt the Kings in terms of depth. For the Ducks, we have a 2-3 year window to win the Cup. Jack Johnson won't hurt our chances.

But I got to say, the Kings are looking mighty good lately stocking their ranks with good young players. This team could be dangerous in the future. Credit goes to Dean Lombardi for turning over this team from the Dave Taylor era.

Holy crap, this is a fleecing. The Kings are going to have some monster talent in a few years. Kopitar, Johnson, O'Sullivan, Bernier, Brown, and some more I'm sure I'm forgetting. Rutherford must have been REALLY sick of waiting for Johnson.

Mitera is a teammate of Johnson in Michigan and with the US WJC team. The rivalry is going to be awesome in the future.

I don't think that this is a big this right now. He's not going to be a force in the NHL for a good five season IMO. By then Pronger and Nieds will be gone. Getzlaf, Perry and all be getting to the UFA line and our champion ship team will be going different ways. LA can then take over running for the cup as we rebuild.

This does seem a bit fishy. You get the feeling that Carolina unloaded the kid so quickly because of him being a bit more stubborn than we thought about coming to the NHL. IMO, it's clear that he's finishing school off, and if there's any deadlock at all between him and the Kings after he graduates, I could see him re-enter the NHL draft. JJ is a stud, and Carolina needed NHL-ready defensemen, but it seems fishy that they basically gained zero NHL-calibre defensemen(Tverdovsky, who could've been the 5th or 6th guy in Kaberle's absense, was also dealt, and he might just be better than Gleason at this point, especially after Gleason's camp). To me, IMO, this could mean that they just wanted to get rid of JJ ASAP.

JJ is a stud, and Carolina needed NHL-ready defensemen, but it seems fishy that they basically gained zero NHL-calibre defensemen(Tverdovsky, who could've been the 5th or 6th guy in Kaberle's absense, was also dealt, and he might just be better than Gleason at this point, especially after Gleason's camp). To me, IMO, this could mean that they just wanted to get rid of JJ ASAP.

Reminds me a lot of the Leopold trade. A team has a college asset 2-4 years away and not much else to barter with at the same time they REALLY need help at the NHL level.

I like Gleason and think he just needs a change. Carolina might just have the same opinion on the kid.

Well, in the short term this trade is good for us, but obviously a wonderful trade for the Kings. Their prospects are starting to look really good.

For those of you who have been carping about Marchant's salary, what about Oleg at $2.5 mil per for the next two seasons? Marchant was terrific during the Ducks Cup run; Oleg was scratched most of the time.

While Jack Johnson has the earmarks of being a stud d-man, there are a couple of
"red flags":

1. He really must have p*ssed off Rutherford. Why else would Rutherford be in such a bloody hurry to unload him?

2. Is he really intent on playing out his four years at Michigan? Did he really hate the Canes organization? (It's easy to see why a kid wouldn't want to sign with the defending Stanley Cup champions, isn't it?)

3. I've heard/seen rumors that Johnson's old man has been involved in some of the negotiations? I don't know whether there is any merit to the rumors or not? Still, could we have another Carl Lindros on our hands?

On the flip side, the Kings got one of the top prospects in the game right now. In addition, by weakening their current roster, they've enhanced their chances of being able to draft in the top 7 or 8 in 2007. That would enable them to add to an already stellar stable of young studs.

Finally, this will really put the spotlight on the Ducks decision to take Bobby Ryan with the number two pick overall in last year's Entry Draft. At the time, conventional wisdom was that once Crosby was off the board, Johnson was the BPA. Time will tell.

2-4 years from now the Kings will be scary...but as long as we win a cup before them I'll be happy...and we really only have a 3-4 year window to win one now anyway.

i'm surprised by how many of you think that the ducks' window for a cup is only three or four years. of course, guys like niedermayer, pronger and selanne are getting on in years, but you have an excellent gm, carlisle has impressed me a lot as your coach, and you have your own stable of very good young players. most importantly, though, winning breeds winning. your prospects for the next few years will (a) have the time to develop since the big club will not need to rush them into service, and (b) when they do come up, they will come into a winning environment.

unless there are major changes, like career-ending injuries, boneheaded trades, etc, i see the ducks as a very solid organization for more than just the next couple of years. hopefully the kings and ducks will be playing each other in the playoffs regularly in a few years.

i'm surprised by how many of you think that the ducks' window for a cup is only three or four years. of course, guys like niedermayer, pronger and selanne are getting on in years, but you have an excellent gm, carlisle has impressed me a lot as your coach, and you have your own stable of very good young players. most importantly, though, winning breeds winning. your prospects for the next few years will (a) have the time to develop since the big club will not need to rush them into service, and (b) when they do come up, they will come into a winning environment.

unless there are major changes, like career-ending injuries, boneheaded trades, etc, i see the ducks as a very solid organization for more than just the next couple of years. hopefully the kings and ducks will be playing each other in the playoffs regularly in a few years.

The window to win the cup is in the next 3-4 years because this is the cap world and it's hard to keep a team together longer than that. Pronger, Niedermayer will be past their primes in four years and Selanne will be retired. The time to win is now.

It's true the Ducks do have a nice core of young players (Getzlaf, Perry, Penner, Ryan) which will keep the team competitive for a long time...but to say that those guys will keep the Ducks in cup contention every year is really tough to say.

2-4 years from now the Kings will be scary...but as long as we win a cup before them I'll be happy...and we really only have a 3-4 year window to win one now anyway.

I feel the same way, this is the time for the Ducks to shine. I guess we will also be seeing Tverdovsky more often.

i'm surprised by how many of you think that the ducks' window for a cup is only three or four years.

I'll give you a few reasons:

1) Niedermayer is signed for 3 more years. Pronger for 4 more years. Both might decide to leave when their contracts end.

2) Selanne is at the age of retirement. He has at most 2-3 years left.

3) The Ducks youth will demand market value when their contracts end. The Ducks won't be able to afford Niedermonger while paying their kids the money they deserve. Something has to give. (look at Ottawa as example)

4) By acquiring Pronger, the Ducks gave up alot of draft picks. Brian Burke has no problems trading high draft picks and he will continue this trend as GM of the Ducks. Bobby Ryan and Mark Mitera are the only bluechip prospects in the system. The Ducks won't be fortunate enough to draft players like Lupul, Getzlaf, Perry, Smid, etc any time soon.

Wow. We've got Bobby Ryan playing on a line with Trevor Lewis and now Mark Mitera's (persumably) D partner is also a Kings prospect. And all four should be at the World Juniors together too.

For our sake, I hope Johnson plays out his eligibilty but I don't know if that'll happen. Lombardi is quickly putting in place a team for the future in a way that Dave Taylor was never capable of.

I think we'll be good for a while as far as talent goes.

But anyway, three cheers for the return of Tverdovsky to the division. It's nice to have someone to boo on the Kings besides Blake. What did Blake do to us, anyway?

I'll give you a few reasons:

4) By acquiring Pronger, the Ducks gave up alot of draft picks. Brian Burke has no problems trading high draft picks and he will continue this trend as GM of the Ducks. Bobby Ryan and Mark Mitera are the only bluechip prospects in the system. The Ducks won't be fortunate enough to draft players like Lupul, Getzlaf, Perry, Smid, etc any time soon.

I thought the Ducks organization was quite acute in free agent signings of talent a la McDonald, Penner, Kunitz, and Shannon. Add to that McKee, yet his talent level of play is to be determined still. Plus, Getzlaf was drafted at the 19th spot and Perry at the 28th spot of the first round. Also, the draft team did take G Martin Gerber in the 8th round.

I expect the Ducks to be competitively playoff bound for more than 4 four years. Who knows what talent develops to keep the Ducks Stanley Cup bound four years from now?

I think we'll be good for a while as far as talent goes.

But anyway, three cheers for the return of Tverdovsky to the division. It's nice to have someone to boo on the Kings besides Blake. What did Blake do to us, anyway?

He demanded more money than the kings would pay, so they traded him, so at any ducks games against colorado that any kings fans happened to attend, they (the kings fans) boo blake and the rest of everyone there (myself excluded) joins in.

Yeah, but....he screwed the Kings. Not us. Shouldn't we cheer?

He demanded more money than the kings would pay, so they traded him, so at any ducks games against colorado that any kings fans happened to attend, they (the kings fans) boo blake and the rest of everyone there (myself excluded) joins in.



you should've heard how quickly the boos got drowned out by laughter in Vegas last weekend... the Avs fans were booing this time.

Yeah, but....he screwed the Kings. Not us. Shouldn't we cheer?

Uh, hate to break it to you, but no one is booing Blake anymore. However, if you want, you can cheer along with the rest of us. ;)

Personally, I never understood the constant booing after the 1st year he was gone. It went on way too long. Granted, he left on bad terms. But he remained a a great player and he's back. At FF this year, the Av's fans were booing Blakey. Go figure.

there is some type of clause with the trade saying that the kings have exclusive negotiation rights with JJ until aug 15th of the year after he graduates, so if/when JJ graduates, the kings would have 2-3 months to sign him before he would become a UFA

there is some type of clause with the trade saying that the kings have exclusive negotiation rights with JJ until aug 15th of the year after he graduates, so if/when JJ graduates, the kings would have 2-3 months to sign him before he would become a UFA

Do you have a link?

My interest goes more to whether an SPA or an agreement between clubs can override the rules in the CBA.

I believe that is the case for all NCAA draftees under the new CBA.

nothing unique to this trade.

About Tverdovsky, I wouldn't be surprised to see him be waived and wind up in Manchester. The Kings want to keep Weaver and Dallman up, and there's little chance of losing Oleg if they want to send him down and keep bringing him back up when someone gets hurt. There's no cap hit for Oleg if he were to be in the AHL all year.

I thought all NCAA players who went unsigned throughout their entire eligibility re-entered the draft in the new CBA. If not, then what happens after August 15th? Does he become a free agent?

Either way, we should all hope that Michigan doesn't win the national title till Johnson's senior year, if then. The longer he stays there, the better.

I thought all NCAA players who went unsigned throughout their entire eligibility re-entered the draft in the new CBA. If not, then what happens after August 15th? Does he become a free agent?

Either way, we should all hope that Michigan doesn't win the national title till Johnson's senior year, if then. The longer he stays there, the better.

I believe they become UFA if not signed by the deadline under the new CBA. Carolina might have been scared by Johnson's decision to stay in school.

ed: Stan you are correct. The player re-enters the draft after the deadline.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=294664

Bonehead trade for Carolina. Why the hell couldnt they trade him to Vancouver or something?

It would be sweet if he is planning to stay all 4 years... Can he get more money as an UFA or does the salary structure still apply to him (Mike Van Ryn)?

I think it would be worth it if he can get more money, plus he can decide what team he wants to play for. Say if he played the next 3 season instead of going to Michigan, the most he can make is less than 3 million a year (if he hits all of his bonuses). But if he can be an UFA, i am sure some teams out there would take a chance and give him 4 million plus to acquire him. Plus, he gets to enjoy school and the sorority girls as a hero/god like Matt Leinart... not too shabby...

Yeah, but....he screwed the Kings. Not us. Shouldn't we cheer?

I never did it. People hear boos and think, "i'm supossed to be booing" that's probably the extent of it. The only player I boo is Foote for his hit on McDonald that likely cost the Ducks the cup.

An NHL source familiar with the situation said that Johnson would be willing to sign with the Kings after his college season.

"We don't have a specific timetable, but we'll look closely at this in March depending on how he develops," Lombardi said.

"I think it's unbelievable to maybe get a chance to play with Rob Blake," Johnson said. "The guy is going to the Hall of Fame, and I could be in the same locker room with him. This is just an exciting day for me."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/kings/la-sp-kings30sep30,1,6962018.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nhl-kings&ctrack=1&cset=true

I think we can expect him to sign after his sophmore season is over. Apperenltly Blake is JJ's favorite NHL player so that gives him some extra incentive to sign sooner rather then later. Also keep in mind the Kings historically have had much success when attempting to sign Michigan players earlier.



Check out this post from a guy who claims to be close to JJ:
I am from Michigan and am close friends with Jack Johnson. He has told me that he is THRILLED to get out of the Carolina system, as both Rutherford and Karmanos were constantly pressuring him and his family to sign. Instead of respecting Johnson's decision (which they knew all along when they drafted him, that is why Bobby Ryan went 2nd), they bombarded their cell phones and house phone with messages and never left them alone.

Jack was excited to be a member of the Hurricanes organization, but did not appreciate the pressure. Lombardi has made it clear the Kings are going to be patient with him, and this is highly appreciated by him and his family. Jack confides greatly in his father, and his family (who lives 5 minutes off the UM campus) wanted him to stay in school at least one more year.

Jack has always told me he wanted to be at Michigan for at least 2 years, and then re-evaluate his decision after. No matter what, your team is getting an unbelievable athlete. This guy outplayed Crosby in intra-squad scrimmages when both were at Shattuck St. Mary's, and while Johnson refuses to admit it, Crosby swears that Jack will be just as high of an impact player as he is (just in a different facet of the game).

This guy is Scott Stevens all over again. The Kings have gained a new fan today with this trade. He will be your captain one day and will be the best player the team has had since Gretzky.

One other note: Johnson's favorite defenseman in the NHL?

Rob Blake.

If legit, this certainly gives us some insight on the whole Carolina/JJ situation.

Instead of respecting Johnson's decision (which they knew all along when they drafted him, that is why Bobby Ryan went 2nd), they bombarded their cell phones and house phone with messages and never left them alone.

The information could be legitimate. Or it could be a revisionist (Jack Johnson fan) attempting to justify why Johnson was selected after Ryan. The only info that we do know is the Brian Burke draft day interview where he said he went with the scout's decision. With the patience Anaheim has shown developing Ryan, I don't think they were so determined to draft the most NHL ready player at the time.

Do you have a link?

My interest goes more to whether an SPA or an agreement between clubs can override the rules in the CBA.




"UPDATE: According to the CBA, the Kings hold his exclusive negotiation rights until the August 15th following his graduation from university. That means he wouldn't go back into the draft until the year following his grad. He wouldn't be eligible for junior so rather than go back into the draft it's possible he could sign with another team as a free agent.

Johnson might also have an ulterior motive besides getting his university education. If he's 22 when he graduates and signs with the Kings, his entry level contract would only be good for two years, rather than three years for those under 22."

http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/Spector

That "ulterior motive" makes no sense. If he waits one year, his entry contract is one year shorter... he's still same age. And he's still an RFA. He just wants to stay in college, there's nothing sinister about that. Although there seems to be some confusion as to what happens after he graduates... will he become a FA or will he reenter the draft? I've heard both, and even that it depends on if he was offered a contract or not. :dunno:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/kings/la-sp-kings30sep30,1,6962018.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nhl-kings&ctrack=1&cset=true

I think we can expect him to sign after his sophmore season is over. Apperenltly Blake is JJ's favorite NHL player so that gives him some extra incentive to sign sooner rather then later. Also keep in mind the Kings historically have had much success when attempting to sign Michigan players earlier.



Check out this post from a guy who claims to be close to JJ:


If legit, this certainly gives us some insight on the whole Carolina/JJ situation.


Better than Robitalle?

Better than Robitalle?

I don't get it.

I don't get it.

From the post from the guy who knows JJ apparently

"This guy is Scott Stevens all over again. The Kings have gained a new fan today with this trade. He will be your captain one day and will be the best player the team has had since Gretzky."