wildcat48 09-27-2006, 01:32 PM Much like the title said....
Karl Stewart was claimed by Pittsburgh on waivers.....
He will have to play for Pittsburgh as if he was to be sent to Wilkes-Barre/Scranton.......Anaheim would get a chance to reclaim him but that is unlikely....
So looks like Anaheim got nothing more than a draft pick for Vishnevski.
Spankatola Jamnuts 09-27-2006, 01:43 PM Ahhh - fantastic trade.
TheJoeMan 09-27-2006, 02:10 PM Well that sucks. Maybe he could be this years Chris Kunitz so come on Pittsburgh, send him down we want him back. It's a good thing Shannon and Brent are having such good camps so our depth doesn't take a huge hit by this.
snarktacular 09-27-2006, 02:16 PM So, he really was trying to emulate Konopka... as in he's gone too.
Snap Wilson 09-27-2006, 02:31 PM Those fish-eating bastiches!!!
I kid. Stewart was just a throw-in to the deal anyway. Considering what Booch signed for, Vish's judgment was way too much for us. Burke could have just walked away from the ruling. Instead, he got a draft pick.
Kick Save 09-27-2006, 02:57 PM It didn't look like there was a roster spot for Karl Stewart, but the guy's awfully gritty and does have a little bit of a scoring touch. Shoudn't Burke have seen this coming? If so, couldn't he have at least wrangled a low-round pick out of the deal.
Or are the teams at the bottom just waiting for their more talent-laden brethren to try to sneak guys through waivers? :shakehead
Jerky Leclerc 09-27-2006, 03:17 PM Good for Stewart. I hate losing an asset but anytime a player gets a chance to play in the NHL, I applaud it. Obviously, Stewart was buried within the depth in Anaheim so getting claimed by the Penguins was a good career move for him. With Shero at the helm, they are playing their young players and Stewart should fit in well with the talent base they have there.
OH btw, if anyone wants to start a GDT, please do. The team is in a losing streak and we need a change. :banana:
Kick Save 09-27-2006, 03:22 PM Those fish-eating bastiches!!!
I kid. Stewart was just a throw-in to the deal anyway. Considering what Booch signed for, Vish's judgment was way too much for us. Burke could have just walked away from the ruling. Instead, he got a draft pick.
I don't think Stewart was "just a throw-in". I'm not suggesting that he was a key to the deal, but he is a Konopka-type player and, at the time of the the deal, it was apparent (or becoming apparent) that Konopka was Russia bound. While Stewart was not going to make our opening-night roster, he might have been an early call up if one of our centers went down. (Or has the "emergence" of Tim Brent---admittedly a totally different-type player---minimized Stewart's importance?)
Jack Splat 09-27-2006, 03:37 PM Do you have a link for this?
What could you tell a Pens fan about this guy?
Kevin Forbes 09-27-2006, 03:40 PM link:
http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=179007&hubname=nhl
Jerky Leclerc 09-27-2006, 03:43 PM Do you have a link for this?
What could you tell a Pens fan about this guy?
Stewart is a small/medium sized player who has good speed and plays a gritty game. As much as I liked him in training camp, he also disappointed me in the first pre-season game against the Kings. I don't know if he is holding back but he didn't impress the Ducks brass either because he didn't get many games.
Jack Splat 09-27-2006, 03:44 PM It's on the Pens website, too:
http://www.pittsburghpenguins.com/team/press/arts/2042.0.php
What kind of player is he? They don't even say which forward position he plays.
Edit: I didn't see your post, Jerky Leclerc, before I posted this one. But I'd still like to know which position he plays. Shero seems to be collecting this type of player. First Moore, Ruutu and Petrovicky, now Stewart.
Jerky Leclerc 09-27-2006, 03:54 PM What kind of player is he? They don't even say which forward position he plays.
At training camp, I saw him lined up left wing with Getzlaf and Perry. I think he is slotted at center but the Ducks are overloaded there.
McDonald19 09-27-2006, 04:23 PM I still think he will end up in Portland at some point this season. If he doesn't stick with Pittsburgh all season Burke will reclaim him when he is sent down to the AHL.
McDonald19 09-27-2006, 04:28 PM If Pittsburgh really does need a fourth line center and Stewart earns that spot, then good for him.
I just don't know if he is ready to be a full time NHLer.
Snap Wilson 09-27-2006, 04:40 PM I'm not suggesting that he was a key to the deal, but he is a Konopka-type player
...which merits a big "so what?" Both Konopka and Stewart are fringe guys who will have a negligible impact in the league over their careers. When you're dealing away Vish, a player like that is a throw-in.
Both Konopka and Stewart are fringe guys who will have a negligible impact in the league over their careers. When you're dealing away Vish, a player like that is a throw-in.
That depends entirely on your opinion of Vishnevski. Mine is much lower than yours obviously.
Kick Save 09-27-2006, 05:23 PM ...which merits a big "so what?" Both Konopka and Stewart are fringe guys who will have a negligible impact in the league over their careers. When you're dealing away Vish, a player like that is a throw-in.
My hunch is that Stewart will wind up being a serviceable NHL player. There is a place for gritty guys who will drop the glove if necessary and can score an occasional goal. Vishnevski scored one goal last year. While he made the occasional "big hit", he also got caught out of position at times.
I'm with Hank on this one. At best, Vish is a "marginal" number four d-man. Third pairing is probably more accurate.
Earl Sleek 09-27-2006, 05:45 PM My hunch is that Stewart will wind up being a serviceable NHL player. There is a place for gritty guys who will drop the glove if necessary and can score an occasional goal. Vishnevski scored one goal last year. While he made the occasional "big hit", he also got caught out of position at times.
I'm with Hank on this one. At best, Vish is a "marginal" number four d-man. Third pairing is probably more accurate.
No fair measuring Stewart's potential against Vishnevski's current abilities.
Vish is 26, he's still going to get better also. Like many defensemen at his age.
Vish is 26, he's still going to get better also.
HF Myth #1: All 'young' players get better.
Its perfectly reasonable to believe Vish WON'T get better.
CHRDANHUTCH 09-27-2006, 06:04 PM I still think he will end up in Portland at some point this season. If he doesn't stick with Pittsburgh all season Burke will reclaim him when he is sent down to the AHL.
Where would he land in Wilkes-Barre w/ Edmonton's prospects being there also MacDonald----I've been hearing that Chicago fans didn't like the fact that Atlanta gave him up originally for Vishnevsky if it's stipulated that he's on a 1 way.
Anaheim got lucky w/ reclaiming Kunitz last year but that was during the season.
btw, Smid who we "threw into the deal" looks like he'll make Edmonton.
Ducksforcup 09-27-2006, 06:25 PM This sucks. :cry: I like Stewart.
Maybe we can get him back eventually. :)
Earl Sleek 09-27-2006, 06:37 PM HF Myth #1: All 'young' players get better.
Its perfectly reasonable to believe Vish WON'T get better.
Tough to respond to. I guess the implication is that I'm being unreasonable.
Still, the assumption was made about Stewart improving, I was just hoping that we might be able to treat both players with similar assumptions.
I will say that I will probably miss Vish more on the ice than I will Stewart next year. Reasonable enough?
stalbert1 09-27-2006, 08:13 PM Where would he land in Wilkes-Barre w/ Edmonton's prospects being there also MacDonald----I've been hearing that Chicago fans didn't like the fact that Atlanta gave him up originally for Vishnevsky if it's stipulated that he's on a 1 way.
Anaheim got lucky w/ reclaiming Kunitz last year but that was during the season.
btw, Smid who we "threw into the deal" looks like he'll make Edmonton.
BTW NOBODY ever said Smid was a throw in, Ducks management had nothing but praise for his hockey ability and sense and doubt if anyone is surprised he made the Oilers this season.
Duckstudd269 09-28-2006, 01:47 AM Where would he land in Wilkes-Barre w/ Edmonton's prospects being there also MacDonald----I've been hearing that Chicago fans didn't like the fact that Atlanta gave him up originally for Vishnevsky if it's stipulated that he's on a 1 way.
Anaheim got lucky w/ reclaiming Kunitz last year but that was during the season.
btw, Smid who we "threw into the deal" looks like he'll make Edmonton.
Smid was not a throw in by any means IMO. He's what made the deal have a sour taste about it IMO. Losing the draft picks hurts, but we have so much young talent that it didn't bother me. Smid was a guy a lot of us, myself included, thought would be in a Ducks uniform this year.
Still, the assumption was made about Stewart improving, I was just hoping that we might be able to treat both players with similar assumptions.
Vishnevski is an NHL vet of 400+ games while Stewart is 3 years younger and very much still an unknown prospect. I think its fair to talk of Stewart's 'potential' in respect to Vish who has alreay maxed out (IMO).
I will say that I will probably miss Vish more on the ice than I will Stewart next year.
I won't miss either. Guys like Stewart are always available if you really need another one. Defensemen of Vishneski's caliber too.
CHRDANHUTCH 09-28-2006, 06:04 PM BTW NOBODY ever said Smid was a throw in, Ducks management had nothing but praise for his hockey ability and sense and doubt if anyone is surprised he made the Oilers this season.
HUH?????? Since when did a Ducks fan from Oklahoma see Smid play last year on a regular basis hmmmmmmm????? it was in quotes was it not:cry: :shakehead
CHRDANHUTCH 09-28-2006, 06:09 PM Smid was not a throw in by any means IMO. He's what made the deal have a sour taste about it IMO. Losing the draft picks hurts, but we have so much young talent that it didn't bother me. Smid was a guy a lot of us, myself included, thought would be in a Ducks uniform this year.
ya but again it's in quotes since when did Anaheim lose a draft pick to Edmonton or Atlanta and comparing the two would Smid have been given a fair opportunity this year a la O'BRIEN IS Being given this year?
Duckstudd269 09-29-2006, 01:47 AM ya but again it's in quotes since when did Anaheim lose a draft pick to Edmonton or Atlanta and comparing the two would Smid have been given a fair opportunity this year a la O'BRIEN IS Being given this year?
I'm not sure what you're asking, but if you're asking if Smid would have been given the shot that OB is getting, then the answer is yes. Last year Burke said that he fully expected Smid to be with the big club next year.
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