Alex Ovechkin

NJDraft
11-17-2003, 02:35 PM
Russian right winger Alexander Ovechkin

"Everything that you've heard about him ... he's all that and probably more," said Mark Kelley, the Penguins' European scout. "He is special, just special."

How special?

Kelley wants no part of any comparisons between Ovechkin and any prospect drafted in the two decades before the time Ovechkin will be taken. Not even Eric Lindros of 1991.

"No way," Kelley said. "Lindros was as good a prospect as you could want in terms of size and talent, but he never had the passion for the game that Ovechkin has. Not even close."

So, who was the last player to impress Kelley this much?

"You have to go back to 1984."

Mario Lemieux.

Ovechkin is a potent package. He is 6 feet 2, 200 pounds, and not timid about using his frame in workmanlike fashion, delivering crushing checks or dropping to block shots. But he is no grinder. Scouts already feel he has a better collection of speed, skill and poise than other Russian standouts at the same age such as Pavel Bure, Sergei Fedorov and Alexander Mogilny. He is compared by some to Ilya Kovalchuk, except that he has far superior passing ability and no issues with defense.

His numbers from the past season support the reviews:

He had eight goals and eight assists in 40 games as a rookie with Dynamo Moscow in Russia's Superleague, which traditionally is low-scoring. The numbers were considered amazing for a 17-year-old among older professionals.

He had six goals and an assist in six games at the World Junior Championships for players 20 and under in January, registering hat tricks against the United States and Switzerland before helping Russia past Fleury's Canadian team for the gold medal.

Four months later in the World Under-18 Championships, competing against players closer to his age, he had nine goals and four assists in six games as Russia won bronze.

"One of the funny things about Ovechkin is that it's often hard to gauge how good he is because he has played way above his age group for the past three years," Kelley said. "Well, at the Under-18 tournament, he was with his own, and he just dominated."

The consensus at the draft in Nashville last weekend was that Ovechkin would have been chosen first had he been eligible. And that almost was the case. He was born Sept. 17, 1985, two days after the cutoff date to be part of the 2003 draft class.

An indication of the eagerness with which Ovechkin alreayd is coveted was the Panthers' strange ploy last weekend to try to take advantage of this close-call birthday.

Florida General Manager Rick Dudley attempted in four different rounds to draft Ovechkin, arguing that, if leap-year dates were taken out of the equation, Ovechkin actually would turn 18 four days before his recognized birthday and thus have been eligible for 2003. The NHL rejected the Panthers all four times, but the league did comply with Florida's request to make the final one in writing. This way, if it is ruled that the Panthers were in the right, they could justify a claim on Ovechkin.

Dudley said team management hatched the idea a month ago, and he acknowledged its limited chance at success.

"It's a long shot," he said. "But, if it's a viable long shot, we would be a very happy crew because he's a special player."

The Penguins would figure to have as good a crack as any team at Ovechkin next year, given that they will employ perhaps the youngest and cheapest lineup in the NHL. But not even the worst record in the league will guarantee them the first pick. Each of the past four years, the worst team has failed to get the pick because another team won the draft lottery and moved up.

This much is certain: The team with the No. 1 pick next year will not be trading it away.


Three UFA college players the Devils should be watching:attention Dave Conte:

D/L Thomas Pock 6'1,208 UMass/Austria

D/R Stephen Wood 6'3,215 Providence/Ma

G Yann Danis 6'0,190 Brown/Que.


If we have to trade a few choices [or prospects ,like Ari Ahonen] for additional offensive help, these guys would be good signings.

NJDevils#4
11-17-2003, 06:53 PM
I seen Oveshkin play around 4 times now and he is special, I'l say the same thing I said last year after the WJC. He has offensive like Bure and defense like Madden, this guy is special.


Wow. If he were to be a little bit less than that he'd be great. If he were better than that, he's going to be something amazing to watch.

Yayo
11-17-2003, 07:07 PM
:joker:

Good attempt by Rick Dudley.

Niedermayer21
11-17-2003, 07:53 PM
Lou will make a pitch for Ovechkin and/or Crosby. If Dudley can be creative, then Lou and his staff can, too. Also, like I said, he traded up for Lindros and got Nieder.

I could see Lou doing something at the trade deadline, or at the Draft. We have a truckload of prospects that a team like Pittsburgh might be interested in. I would hate to purge the depth in our system, but for Ovechkin or Crosby, it would be worth it.

Just imagine...:

Brylin?--Gomez--Ovechkin
Friesen--Parise/Vrana--Elias
Pandolfo--Madden?--Langenbrunner
Berglund--Rupp/Rasmussen/Foster?--Stevenson?/Suglobov

Rafalski--Stevens
Niedermayer???--White
Martin--Hale
Brown

Brodeur
Ahonen?


We have to re-sign Nieder, Brylin, and Madden, without fail. I don't know about Turner Stevenson. It depends on his health status. Any other UFAs or RFAs we have to take care of? Do we keep Schwab and trade Ahonen? What about Grant Marshall? All very tough calls.

For Ovechkin, I would trade Ahonen, Foster, Pihlman, Gionta, Kadeykin, possibly Khomutov or Balmochnykh, and our #'s 1, 2, and 3. We are giving up a lot, but we get back an instant starter and future star. I would hate to give up Suglobov, but he may have to be considered. I also don't want to part with Gionta, but he is a solid NHL wing. Pretty good quality and quantity for tremendous quality. It is a tough call for both teams. Pihlman could be a star in the NHL, as could Foster, Ahonen, and Kadeykin. Khomutov and Balmochnykh are X-factors, as are the draft picks. Gionta is a known quantity.

BTW, should we get Ovechkin and there is a season next year, do you think Lou could persuade Igor Larionov to hang on for one more year to mentor the kid and let Parise and Vrana get in one more year of development?

Just curious. And please be kind because I am in a pissy mood. No need for abusive responses. You have been warned!!! :mad:

Guttersnipe
11-17-2003, 09:28 PM
Russian right winger Alexander Ovechkin


This much is certain: The team with the No. 1 pick next year will not be trading it away.



Why are you torturing yourselves drooling over a player who will be a franchise player for another team. :dunno:

If this guy is a future superstar, he's worth more to a struggling franchise then a dozen of our prospects and a 20-30th overall pick. We have no chance of getting Ovechkin, it's the price we pay for rooting for a team that doesn't suck.

DARKSIDE
11-18-2003, 05:19 PM
Lou will make a pitch for Ovechkin and/or Crosby. If Dudley can be creative, then Lou and his staff can, too. Also, like I said, he traded up for Lindros and got Nieder.

I could see Lou doing something at the trade deadline, or at the Draft. We have a truckload of prospects that a team like Pittsburgh might be interested in. I would hate to purge the depth in our system, but for Ovechkin or Crosby, it would be worth it.

Just imagine...:

Brylin?--Gomez--Ovechkin
Friesen--Parise/Vrana--Elias
Pandolfo--Madden?--Langenbrunner
Berglund--Rupp/Rasmussen/Foster?--Stevenson?/Suglobov

Rafalski--Stevens
Niedermayer???--White
Martin--Hale
Brown

Brodeur
Ahonen?


We have to re-sign Nieder, Brylin, and Madden, without fail. I don't know about Turner Stevenson. It depends on his health status. Any other UFAs or RFAs we have to take care of? Do we keep Schwab and trade Ahonen? What about Grant Marshall? All very tough calls.

For Ovechkin, I would trade Ahonen, Foster, Pihlman, Gionta, Kadeykin, possibly Khomutov or Balmochnykh, and our #'s 1, 2, and 3. We are giving up a lot, but we get back an instant starter and future star. I would hate to give up Suglobov, but he may have to be considered. I also don't want to part with Gionta, but he is a solid NHL wing. Pretty good quality and quantity for tremendous quality. It is a tough call for both teams. Pihlman could be a star in the NHL, as could Foster, Ahonen, and Kadeykin. Khomutov and Balmochnykh are X-factors, as are the draft picks. Gionta is a known quantity.

BTW, should we get Ovechkin and there is a season next year, do you think Lou could persuade Igor Larionov to hang on for one more year to mentor the kid and let Parise and Vrana get in one more year of development?

Just curious. And please be kind because I am in a pissy mood. No need for abusive responses. You have been warned!!! :mad:

Remember the Lindros trade for Forsberg, Ricci and Hextal,etc. I hear this kid is the real deal, but you don't trade 3 years worth of draft picks. Just my opinion! However, I would love to have him or Crosby in 2005!

sluggo*
11-18-2003, 05:37 PM
I can't see the Devils (or any other top team in the NHL) getting Ovechkin or Crosby just because theres not much they could give the teams that have a chance at getting those guys int he draft (Penguins, Canes, Caps, etc...) to get those players. Both of those guys are future franchise players (and many are already calling Crosby the next great one). The Devils have been a great drafting team, but I think getting one of those two is an impossible mission.

Niedermayer21
11-18-2003, 07:12 PM
DARKSIDE brings up a great point. If Ovechkin or Crosby don't put on the sweater and don't want to play for the team that drafts them, we may have a shot.

Also, it is clear who won the Lindros deal. Maybe not getting Big Al or Sid won't be so bad. It is the price of being a good team--a Stanley Cup winner! But I would still love to get a stud like Al or Sid. Greed? Maybe. Just love to watch great talent. We should have had Mario. I loved Captain Kirk, but knowing we could have had Mario still ticks me off.

Thanks a lot, Tommy McVie! :cry:

sluggo*
11-18-2003, 07:49 PM
What could the Devils (or any top team) realisticly give up right now to get that Ovechkin or Crosby pick?

Blackjack
11-18-2003, 07:51 PM
What could the Devils (or any top team) realisticly give up right now to get that Ovechkin or Crosby pick?

What would have to happen is Ovechkin or Crosby would have to declare that they will not play for the team that drafts them. Then, they would get dealt to the highest bidder. I honestly have no clue how high the bidding would go, but I don't think it would be as bis as the Lindros deal.

sluggo*
11-18-2003, 07:59 PM
And honestly, I can't really see them doing that. And if they do I would guess they would have a list of teams they want to play for (which is most players do that). Lindros didn't care, as long as it wasn't Quebec or Montreal. However if that happens with Crosby, you could see some huge packages being offered to whoever hes refusing to play for.

Blackjack
11-18-2003, 08:03 PM
And honestly, I can't really see them doing that. And if they do I would guess they would have a list of teams they want to play for (which is most players do that). Lindros didn't care, as long as it wasn't Quebec or Montreal. However if that happens with Crosby, you could see some huge packages being offered to whoever hes refusing to play for.

I agree, neither Ovechkin nor Crosby seem like that type. I believe that they will play for whoever drafts them.