The New Jersey Devils are Boooooring... [Archive]

Unthinkable

11-14-2003, 08:21 PM

Being Boring

I came across a cache of old photos
And invitations to teenage parties
"Dress in white" one said, with quotations
From someone's wife, a famous writer
In the nineteen-twenties
When you're young you find inspiration
In anyone who's ever gone
And opened up a closing door
She said: "We were never feeling bored

'Cause we were never being boring
We had too much time to find for ourselves
And we were never being boring
We dressed up and fought, then thought: "Make amends"
And we were never holding back or worried that
Time would come to an end

When I went I left from the station
With a haversack and some trepidation
Someone said: "If you're not careful
You'll have nothing left and nothing to care for
In the nineteen-seventies"
But I sat back and looking forward
My shoes were high and I had scored
I'd bolted through a closing door
I would never find myself feeling bored

'Cause we were never being boring
We had too much time to find for ourselves
And we were never being boring
We dressed up and fought, then thought: "Make amends"
And we were never holding back or worried that
Time would come to an end
We were always hoping that, looking back
You could always rely on a friend

Now I sit with different faces
In rented rooms and foreign places
All the people I was kissing
Some are here and some are missing
In the nineteen-nineties
I never dreamt that I would get to be
The creature that I always meant to be
But I thought in spite of dreams
You'd be sitting somewhere here with me

'Cause we were never being boring
We had too much time to find for ourselves
And we were never being boring
We dressed up and fought, then thought: "Make amends"
And we were never holding back or worried that
Time would come to an end
We were always hoping that, looking back
You could always rely on a friend

And we were never being boring
We had too much time to find for ourselves
And we were never being boring
We dressed up and fought, then thought: "Make amends"
And we were never being boring
We were never being bored
'Cause we were never being boring
We were never being bored

holy roman empire

11-14-2003, 08:23 PM

winning is never boring. of course, a team like the Rangers that strived to be exciting offensively in recent years but lose the majority of their games are very exciting!

borrachon

11-14-2003, 09:23 PM

The teams I find boring are the ones with slow, mostly untalented players, regardless of the system. With Madden, Gomez, Elias, Friesen, Langenbrunner, Gionta, Niedermayer and Rafalski on the ice (not to mention their supporting cast), Brodeur robbing the more "talented" players, and Stevens flattening anything that moves, the Devils sure don't bore me. Although I will concede when they have no competition (like in half of the SCF games), they can be boring...but then again any blowout is boring.

Vanya

11-15-2003, 12:14 AM

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:l0ac-lQvKwMC:bb.january13.net/layout.jpg

Behavior (1990)
1. Being Boring
2. This Must Be The Place I Waited Years To Leave
3. To Face The Truth
4. How Can You Expect To Be Taken Seriously?
5. Only The Wind
6. My October Symphony
7. So Hard
8. Nervously
9. End Of The World
10. Jealousy

:handclap: :handclap: :handclap:

Well done my friend!

Courtesy of the brilliant Mr. Neil Tennant and Chris Lowe...

Being Boring

I came across a cache of old photos
And invitations to teenage parties
"Dress in white" one said, with quotations
From someone's wife, a famous writer
In the nineteen-twenties
When you're young you find inspiration
In anyone who's ever gone
And opened up a closing door
She said: "We were never feeling bored

'Cause we were never being boring
We had too much time to find for ourselves
And we were never being boring
We dressed up and fought, then thought: "Make amends"
And we were never holding back or worried that
Time would come to an end

When I went I left from the station
With a haversack and some trepidation
Someone said: "If you're not careful
You'll have nothing left and nothing to care for
In the nineteen-seventies"
But I sat back and looking forward
My shoes were high and I had scored
I'd bolted through a closing door
I would never find myself feeling bored

'Cause we were never being boring
We had too much time to find for ourselves
And we were never being boring
We dressed up and fought, then thought: "Make amends"
And we were never holding back or worried that
Time would come to an end
We were always hoping that, looking back
You could always rely on a friend

Now I sit with different faces
In rented rooms and foreign places
All the people I was kissing
Some are here and some are missing
In the nineteen-nineties
I never dreamt that I would get to be
The creature that I always meant to be
But I thought in spite of dreams
You'd be sitting somewhere here with me

'Cause we were never being boring
We had too much time to find for ourselves
And we were never being boring
We dressed up and fought, then thought: "Make amends"
And we were never holding back or worried that
Time would come to an end
We were always hoping that, looking back
You could always rely on a friend

And we were never being boring
We had too much time to find for ourselves
And we were never being boring
We dressed up and fought, then thought: "Make amends"
And we were never being boring
We were never being bored
'Cause we were never being boring
We were never being bored

:)

Vanya

11-15-2003, 09:53 AM

Most other fans must listen to #10, Jealousy

And Track 4 is the Ranger$ Theme Song.... :joker:

DevilFisch

11-15-2003, 11:34 AM

Speaking of the Rangers, I can think of no other snoozefest than the Devils owning the Rangers 4-0 after 2 periods. It's all about that boring boring trap, eh?

PEli*

11-15-2003, 12:20 PM

Speaking of the Rangers, I can think of no other snoozefest than the Devils owning the Rangers 4-0 after 2 periods. It's all about that boring boring trap, eh?

Quiet...I'm trying to sleep.

Unthinkable

11-15-2003, 12:23 PM

Quiet...I'm trying to sleep.
:lol: :joker: :handclap:

NJDevils#4

11-15-2003, 05:41 PM

:lol: :joker: :handclap:

:joker:

We're not boring. It's sour grapes. End of discussion.

swflyers8*

11-15-2003, 07:12 PM

What typically happens while watching a Devils game:

http://www.elfden.co.uk/rentawitch/images/sleeping-beauty.jpg

holy roman empire

11-15-2003, 09:36 PM

that guy could be your next coach in Philadelphia!

smashviller

11-15-2003, 09:51 PM

Zzzzz........

Vanya

11-16-2003, 09:36 AM

I think he's just passed out drunk after watching another early Flyer playoff exit.

But since you bring it up, he does look like a Flyers fan with those tres fashionable cut-off jean shorts... That image has PHILTHadelphia written all over it. Oh, I love the sight of wood-paneled walls and white tube socks and boots!

Thanks for contributing!

What typically happens while watching a Devils game:

http://www.elfden.co.uk/rentawitch/images/sleeping-beauty.jpg

David Puddy

11-16-2003, 10:53 PM

What typically happens while watching a Devils game: [see photo above -- man sleeping]

The problem for unsophisticated hockey fans, let's take Flyer fans for example, is that they just want to see the red light flash, like the kind that go off with too much frequency during the playoffs behind Flyer goaltenders. They are simple minded and easily amused by the glow. They can often be heard at hockey rinks saying, "Oh, look at the pretty light; me like pretty light," or some other such drabble.

I recommend that our dear Flyer fans stick to watching basketball. Why they have a gangster-rapping, practice-hating, no-championship-winning player to watch down in their city. He is the best role model for the community since Lindros was knocked out of town.

Besides, it looks to me like a typical Flyer fan has cried to sleep yet again as the Broad Street Bullies extended their streak to 28 Years without a Stanley Cup Championship. Twenty-Eight Years!!! It should also be noted that the city has not won a championship since the 1982-83 NBA title, and I barely consider basketball a major sport.

In conclusion, it should also be submitted for the record that the Philadelphia Flyers scored five (5) less goals than the New Jersey Devils in 2002-03. I normally do not like to use smiley icons, but one is really calling out to be used for all the Philadelphia Cryers fans who are reduced to calling the New Jersey Devils boring:
:cry:

NJ_Devil_Boy

11-17-2003, 02:57 AM

Welcome to HFBoards David Puddy! :handclap:

swflyers8*

11-17-2003, 05:55 AM

The problem for unsophisticated hockey fans, let's take Flyer fans for example

Now, you wouldn't be calling us "unsophisticated" because of this little incident, now would you?

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:JpJQUsk1qugC:199.173.2.7/sports/devils/images/flyerfans-051400-t.jpg

That's a little harsh don't you think? :lol:

they just want to see the red light flash, like the kind that go off with too much frequency during the playoffs behind Flyer goaltenders.

Let's see, the light behind our two goaltenders hasn't really been going off too much as of late:

Esche --- 5w 1l 1t 1.97 GAA .918 Save %
Hackett ---5w 2l 2t 1.85 GAA .924 Save %

They can often be heard at hockey rinks saying, "Oh, look at the pretty light; me like pretty light," or some other such drabble.

Nah, you have it completely wrong there. This is what they are saying now: "Will the red light burn out with all the goals our team is scoring?" or "Will the goalie get sunburn from the red light being lit all the time?" and "Will the goal judge get carpal tunnel syndrome from pressing the goal button so much?"

Philadelphia Flyers ---52 goals (5th in the league) Who else is in the top 5? Vancouver & Atlanta. Say, aren't they two teams we just beat? :D Where is NJ on this list? Oh, there they are at 21.

I recommend that our dear Flyer fans stick to watching basketball. Why they have a gangster-rapping, practice-hating, no-championship-winning player to watch down in their city. He is the best role model for the community since Lindros was knocked out of town.

Wait, I thought Martin Brodeur was the best role model for all those young kids out there being a model father and husband and all. I guess I was wrong.. :lol: Or maybe it could be Jason Kidd who has been known to put the wife in line once in a while.

I barely consider basketball a major sport.

Well, I barely consider you an intelligent human being since you are bordering on the line between normal and mentally handicapped. You know, you actually have something in common with your NBA team, neither team can draw a decent number of fans! Oh, and they both have two excellent role models for families out there.

In conclusion, it should also be submitted for the record that the Philadelphia Flyers scored five (5) less goals than the New Jersey Devils in 2002-03. I normally do not like to use smiley icons, but one is really calling out to be used for all the Philadelphia Cryers fans who are reduced to calling the New Jersey Devils boring:

It looks like the Devils are the ones having trouble putting the puck in the net. Your fans are probably saying at the game "What's that red light for? Does it ever go on?"

You sound like a lawyer making a closing argument or something. I'm willing to bet that you would have put the whole jury and the rest of the courtroom asleep with this waste of a post that goes on and on but really says nothing.

JimEIV

11-17-2003, 07:31 AM

It looks like the Devils are the ones having trouble putting the puck in the net. Your fans are probably saying at the game "What's that red light for? Does it ever go on?"

More important than goals scored I think to have to Look at Goals Against and the differential.

New Jersey has 28 goals against the Second lowest in the league. Only Tampa has allowed fewer but they have also played 2 fewer games.

For second consider this: Take a look at the average goals per game then take a look at the standings in the Eastern Confrence.

AVG Goals per game.
1. Philadelphia 3.25
2 .Ottawa 3.26
3. NY Islanders 3.19
4. Tampa Bay 3.0
5. Atlanta 2.78
6. Boston 2.76
7. NY Rangers 2.58
8. New Jersey 2.5
9. Washington 2.44
10.Toronto 2.38
11.Carolina 2.23
12.Buffalo 2.17
13.Florida 2.15
14.Montreal 1.94
15.Pittsburgh 1.93

Eastern Conference
1. Boston 17 25
2. Philadelphia 16 24
3. Tampa Bay 14 21
4. New Jersey 16 22
5. Atlanta 19 20
6. Toronto 18 20
7. NY Islanders 16 18
8. Montreal 18 17
9. Ottawa 15 17
10. Buffalo 17 17
11. NY Rangers 17 17
12. Florida 19 16
13. Carolina 17 15
14. Washington 18 11
15. Pittsburgh 16 11

Look how Boston is 6th in the East in Goals for but #1 in the standings. Look how the Islanders are 3rd in goals scored but 7th in the standings. Goals scored aren't much of an indicator. In some cases the two list are almost reversed.

but to compare Stats after 16 games is a little silly. The Devils will probably right in the middle of the entire NHL in scoring towards the end of the season, but they will probably also be in the top 3 for fewest goals allowed. Score an average amount but let up the least and the differential widens significantly and you finish in the top of your confrence.

The Devils have been so successful over the last decade because they play playoff style hockey the entire season. Score enough to win and play strong team defence.

Ask your self would rather have 12, 15, 25 fewer goals scored and have 3 Stanely Cups over 9 years, or would you rather finish in top of the league in goals scored and have an annual second round exit?

borrachon

11-17-2003, 10:14 AM

It looks like the Devils are the ones having trouble putting the puck in the net. Your fans are probably saying at the game "What's that red light for? Does it ever go on?"

Not too much trouble...

http://www.nhl.com/onthefly/scoreboard/htmlreports/GS020139.HTM

Unthinkable

11-17-2003, 12:17 PM

Brodeur is a studd. He's comfortable winning games with 2 goals forced all year long and so is Schwab. High pressure? Bring it on. All the better to prepare and gear up for playoff hockey.

swflyers8*

11-17-2003, 12:31 PM

Not too much trouble...

Same with us:

http://www.nhl.com/onthefly/scoreboard/htmlreports/PL020150.HTM

http://www.nhl.com/onthefly/scoreboard/htmlreports/PL020245.HTM

http://www.nhl.com/onthefly/scoreboard/htmlreports/PL020129.HTM

;)

borrachon

11-17-2003, 12:58 PM

Same with us:

http://www.nhl.com/onthefly/scoreboard/htmlreports/PL020150.HTM

http://www.nhl.com/onthefly/scoreboard/htmlreports/PL020245.HTM

http://www.nhl.com/onthefly/scoreboard/htmlreports/PL020129.HTM

;)

Toronto, Atlanta, and Florida....might as well start planning the parade route right now!

David Puddy

11-17-2003, 12:59 PM

JimEIV

11-17-2003, 01:10 PM

Wasn't appropreiate

Teezax

11-17-2003, 01:18 PM

No, not particularly. The lack of sophistication, almost a primal instinct if you will, that I find with the Philadelphia Flyers is much more dark and disturbing. Case in point is during the 2000 ECF, when a Flyers player, #88 Eric Lindros, is lying on the ice in fetal position during the game.
http://www.asc.upenn.edu/courses/comm240/fall2000/sbuckman/bige.jpg

He should have been skating around upright like other more evolved humans. You see my friend, more civilized teams use a much more complex defensive system than other, unsophisticated teams. There are rewards for doing this too. Why just have a look.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/810000/images/_814964_stevens150.jpg
http://www.neutralzonehockey.com/stevensconn.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/810000/images/_814964_devils300.jpg

Also, I see you didn't come up with a snappy rejoinder to the "28 Years and Counting" thing. The only thing I wonder is if Bobby Clarke can?

But at the root of all this "boring hockey" stuff is sheer jealousy of the Devils great success. Other popular copouts include "the Devils cheat" and "low home attendance." Instead, the Devils should be revered for the great team work on the ice and in the front office.

Gloat all you'd like but the fact of the matter is the Devils are going to get theirs real soon. You only had one tough matchup in Ottawa last post season, see what it's like this year when you get the 4th seed.
And I hope that this year you Debbies meet us in the Conference Finals, because we've been cringing for it. It's time to make your boring team look even duller than they are. Feel free to root for the Flyers in the Finals!

borrachon

11-17-2003, 02:03 PM

Unthinkable

11-17-2003, 02:15 PM

Vanya

11-17-2003, 02:21 PM

Gloat all you'd like but the fact of the matter is the Devils are going to get theirs real soon. You only had one tough matchup in Ottawa last post season, see what it's like this year when you get the 4th seed.
And I hope that this year you Debbies meet us in the Conference Finals, because we've been cringing for it. It's time to make your boring team look even duller than they are. Feel free to root for the Flyers in the Finals!

:joker: :joker: :joker:

Oooh, we'll get ours soon. Well, my clock keeps ticking...

MAKE IT to the Conference Finals, we'll surely accept the challenge and do what we usually do when in that position: Advance to play for the Cup. Trouble is, by the time we make it there you guys are already on the links. Why are you "cringing" (ha!) to play us in the Conference Finals anyway? We could care less who we play. I guess this matters to you in the parallel universe where the Flyers actually don't get knocked out in the first or second round.

Let's see how you've done the past 6 years, after you got your ass kicked by the Wings in 1997.

2003 -- lost to Ottawa, 4-2, Eastern Conf. semifinals
2002 -- lost to Ottawa, 4-1, Eastern Conf. quarterfinals
2001 -- lost to Buffalo, 4-2, Eastern Conf. quarterfinals
2000 -- lost to New Jersey, 4-3, Eastern Conf. finals
1999 -- lost to Toronto, 4-2, Eastern Conf. quarterfinals
1998 -- lost to Buffalo, 4-1, Eastern Conf. quarterfinals

Like the lottery, son, you have to be in it to win it.

David Puddy

11-17-2003, 05:18 PM

It really doesn't matter if the Devils are the 1st, 4th, 5th or whatever seed. The team is built is for the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Defense and goaltending wins Stanley Cups, and those things the New Jersey Devils certainly have. I think that the whole idea of this thread is to deal with all the criers saying that the Devils are boring.

If you look at the 1999-2000 Stanley Cup Playoffs, the New Jersey Devils only earned the 4th seed, yet they defeated the team that was seeded 1st in the Eastern Conference in the Conference Finals.

Maybe your team should have won a Stanley Cup in the last quarter of a century before you shoot your mouth off.

Ronnie Bass

11-17-2003, 05:44 PM

Now, you wouldn't be calling us "unsophisticated" because of this little incident, now would you?

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:JpJQUsk1qugC:199.173.2.7/sports/devils/images/flyerfans-051400-t.jpg

That's a little harsh don't you think? :lol:

Let's see, the light behind our two goaltenders hasn't really been going off too much as of late:

Esche --- 5w 1l 1t 1.97 GAA .918 Save %
Hackett ---5w 2l 2t 1.85 GAA .924 Save %

Nah, you have it completely wrong there. This is what they are saying now: "Will the red light burn out with all the goals our team is scoring?" or "Will the goalie get sunburn from the red light being lit all the time?" and "Will the goal judge get carpal tunnel syndrome from pressing the goal button so much?"

Philadelphia Flyers ---52 goals (5th in the league) Who else is in the top 5? Vancouver & Atlanta. Say, aren't they two teams we just beat? :D Where is NJ on this list? Oh, there they are at 21.

Wait, I thought Martin Brodeur was the best role model for all those young kids out there being a model father and husband and all. I guess I was wrong.. :lol: Or maybe it could be Jason Kidd who has been known to put the wife in line once in a while.

Well, I barely consider you an intelligent human being since you are bordering on the line between normal and mentally handicapped. You know, you actually have something in common with your NBA team, neither team can draw a decent number of fans! Oh, and they both have two excellent role models for families out there.

It looks like the Devils are the ones having trouble putting the puck in the net. Your fans are probably saying at the game "What's that red light for? Does it ever go on?"

You sound like a lawyer making a closing argument or something. I'm willing to bet that you would have put the whole jury and the rest of the courtroom asleep with this waste of a post that goes on and on but really says nothing.

Let me get this straight Mr Flyer Fan, you guys rarely beat us in the regular season and you have never beat us in the playoffs, yet your going to tell us who is the better hockey team???

Thanks for setting us straight, we were so foolish to believe that the games were settled on the ice, were the Devils always get the better of the Flyers.

So you must know better than us. :teach:

swflyers8*

11-18-2003, 05:37 AM

Let me get this straight Mr Flyer Fan, you guys rarely beat us in the regular season and you have never beat us in the playoffs, yet your going to tell us who is the better hockey team???

It's trash talk, nothing more, nothing less. You guys need to lighten up a little bit. ;)

BTW Mr Flyer Fan It's Ms. Flyer Fan to you.

Ronnie Bass

11-18-2003, 07:37 AM

It's trash talk, nothing more, nothing less. You guys need to lighten up a little bit. ;)

BTW It's Ms. Flyer Fan to you.

Yeah but if I was to lighten up it wouldn't be so much fun...........Ms. Flyer Fan.

We know it's trash talk.

PEli*

11-18-2003, 08:43 AM

Don't turn this into a Flyers/Devils thread. I'm not going to let anything else go when it comes to Flyers/Devils arguments. Why not keep this thread as a joke instead of a reminder of all of the people that were given warnings?

ctynan44

11-18-2003, 10:01 AM

I agree with PEli....this was for fun not trying to tear each other a new one. ;)

Unthinkable

11-18-2003, 06:43 PM

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=60983&hubName=nhl

Lafleur says fun has gone out of game

TSN.ca Staff

11/18/2003

Guy Lafleur says playing in this weekend's Heritage Classic against Edmonton Oilers alumni such as Wayne Gretzky and Mark Messier will give fans a glimpse of what hockey used to be like.

In an interview with TSN, Lafleur says the NHL needs to make some much needed changes, saying the current defensive style of hockey employed by many teams is to blame.

"For the fans point of view it becomes a boring game to watch and it's not like it used to be," says the 52 year old former Canadiens star. "I know people are looking back to the '70s the '80s where it was more wide open."

Lafeur says the league should consider eliminating some teams so that the talent isn't spread so thinly.

"To me they should cut down to 24 teams, meaning more All-Star type players on each team. Eventually, what (the NHL) should do is to have a European division and they play for the Stanley Cup at the end of the season."

"The European hockey players would play in their country and here they would have more players that people would easily identify with. That would make a big difference"

Lafleur says while players in his day were not making millions of dollars, they were having fun playing hockey, which is something a lot of players are missing out on in today's NHL.

Blackjack

11-18-2003, 09:09 PM

billsandsabres

11-19-2003, 03:27 PM

i think this is really all a matter of tastes, rather than facts
if you don't like defensive hockey, you are probably going to find the devils boring
there are many nuances of the game the devils do better than anybody else, which is why they win so much
this is of course not news to any devils fan
i think it largely depends on what parts of the game of hockey a person is most drawn to
if they want scoring and end to end hockey and tons of fights and exciting passing, they won't find the devils enthralling (and as each year goes by, they won't find the nhl so enthralling either)

ICX*

11-20-2003, 03:20 AM

i think this is really all a matter of tastes

...and it tastes like Grandma!

there are many nuances of the game the devils do better than anybody else

Most notably the trapping, boring, and non-scoring aspects of the game...they've got the market cornered on those 3.

this is of course not news to any devils fan

It's news to me! But then again, I live in a cave right outside of Tehran...I don't even know how I'm relaying this electronic message to all of you house-dwellers, as we like to call you.

i think it largely depends on what parts of the game of hockey a person is most drawn to

The bright lights and flashing colors illuminate my cave quite nicely, thank you very much. The moths and other winged insects are also drawn to it. I'll thank you not to exclude them from this conversation, you personist.

if they want scoring and end to end hockey and tons of fights and e.
exciting passing, they won't find the devils enthralling

I don't know about end to end hockey, but if I want scoring, fights, and excitement, I'll have another cave orgy.

And for those of you who know me, I'm veryl, very, very drunk right now.

PEli*

11-20-2003, 11:28 AM

Penalty to the Devils, 14:53 of the first period to number 3, ICX. Two minutes for public intoxication. Devils penalty to ICX, two minutes for public intoxication.

Bruinster

11-20-2003, 02:51 PM

And there is more talent in the NHL now then there ever was. The kids coming out of Juniors, The NCAA, and Europe are unbelievably good.

Really i'm not sure about it !

This year or inthe past few years S.Stevens, R.Bourque, Al McInnis, B.Leetch, C Chelios even around 40 was all among best NHl defenseman !

Same thing with Roy, Belfour, Hasek and Joseph.

So you can imagine how good was the '80 with so many players who near 40 dominated their position .

i can conclude with forward, Lemieux , Gretzky, Oates, Messier, Francis... not much depth versus Defense and Goalie but...

ICX*

11-20-2003, 05:20 PM

Quit being the ultimate homer.

Mckenzie vs Muffin? Enforcer versus a wimp who doesnt fight or do anything

Berglund vs Rheaume- A gritty player who will drop the gloves and play physical against an undersized Euro who's less likely to drop the gloves then Maltby or Draper

Daneyko vs Hale- You got to be kidding me huge huge toughness downgrade

Rupp was on the team last year.
Martin is not tough give me break there.

As much as I loved Rheaume, he didn't drop the gloves once during his short stay in the swamp. He did play a high motor game similar to Berglund's, but Christian has more offensive upside.

I'll give you McKenzie - there's no arguing that point.

As for Ken Daneyko, he sat out for roughly half the playoffs last year and was mostly a character guy for the duration of the regular season. Rupp was not on the team last year - he had a 9 or 10 game stint at the end of the season. And I don't know why JMac brought Martin into the conversation.

The Devils lost a little bit of grit in the offseason, but they're still a fast, forechecking, high energy club. Turner Stevenson and his 0 for the century record in fights will have to do right now. I'm not arguing with a 10 game unbeaten streak.

borrachon

11-20-2003, 06:40 PM

If goonery won stanley cups the Leafs would have 3 cups in the last 9 years. Luckily for NJ, the league takes into account goals scored and goals allowed.

NJ_Devil_Boy

11-21-2003, 07:36 PM

NJ should just stock pile goons, because the goal of every NHL player is to win fights and not win Stanley Cups... :shakehead

Note: By "goons", I mean "boring" goons (to keep on topic). :lol:

David Puddy

11-22-2003, 10:50 PM

Physical play is non-existant on this years devil team.

You must have missed the Devils game against the Flyers this season. In fact, I saw on a Flyers messagerboard posts about how the Devils just beat up on their defeated little Flyers. Scott Niedermayer decked Joanie "Pinky" Pitkanen. The poor guy had to leave the game.

As for the Devils being boring, it suddenly came to me, a true epiphany, that the Devils are not at all boring. They are, in fact, perhaps the single most exiting team in the NHL. Marty Brodeur working his magic on some poor sap who thinks he has an easy goal on a breakaway. Scott Stevens lowers the boom on some Lindros-types. Brian Rafalski passes the puck to John Madden for a short-handed goal. Scott Niedermayer jumps into the offensive rush for a three-on-two. Nothing could be more exiting than the play of the New Jersey Devils!

There is, however, boring hockey being played by the opponents of the New Jersey Devils. The greatness of the Devils defensive core often completely smothers their opponents.

Fans of those teams, as well as others that are forced to play against the Devils, are always saying, "The Devils play boring hockey," but what they actually should say is, "The Devils make our team play boring hockey."

Therefore, the Stanley Cup Champion New Jersey Devils are the antithesis of a boring hockey team.

Unthinkable

11-22-2003, 10:55 PM

Welcome to Hockey's Future DP. Glad you made the jump from NJDevs.com

Always great to have new voices here. Great stuff and I agree this team is exciting as hell to watch when you get right down to it. There are people who will live a whole liftetime without seeing a guy like Brodeur doing his thing every night.

David Puddy

11-23-2003, 11:42 AM

Sorry, but I am not the same David Puddy. When I registered for this board, I couldn't get the name that I wanted, so I chose David Puddy. If the other David Puddy is really named "David Puddy," I will relinquish the use of the name. However, I suspect he (or she) got the name from the Seinfeld episode "The Face Painter."

Vanya

11-23-2003, 05:06 PM

:handclap: :handclap: :bow: :bow:

You must have missed the Devils game against the Flyers this season. In fact, I saw on a Flyers messagerboard posts about how the Devils just beat up on their defeated little Flyers. Scott Niedermayer decked Joanie "Pinky" Pitkanen. The poor guy had to leave the game.

As for the Devils being boring, it suddenly came to me, a true epiphany, that the Devils are not at all boring. They are, in fact, perhaps the single most exiting team in the NHL. Marty Brodeur working his magic on some poor sap who thinks he has an easy goal on a breakaway. Scott Stevens lowers the boom on some Lindros-types. Brian Rafalski passes the puck to John Madden for a short-handed goal. Scott Niedermayer jumps into the offensive rush for a three-on-two. Nothing could be more exiting than the play of the New Jersey Devils!

There is, however, boring hockey being played by the opponents of the New Jersey Devils. The greatness of the Devils defensive core often completely smothers their opponents.

Fans of those teams, as well as others that are forced to play against the Devils, are always saying, "The Devils play boring hockey," but what they actually should say is, "The Devils make our team play boring hockey."

Therefore, the Stanley Cup Champion New Jersey Devils are the antithesis of a boring hockey team.

PEli*

11-23-2003, 09:00 PM

You must have missed the Devils game against the Flyers this season. In fact, I saw on a Flyers messagerboard posts about how the Devils just beat up on their defeated little Flyers. Scott Niedermayer decked Joanie "Pinky" Pitkanen. The poor guy had to leave the game.

As for the Devils being boring, it suddenly came to me, a true epiphany, that the Devils are not at all boring. They are, in fact, perhaps the single most exiting team in the NHL. Marty Brodeur working his magic on some poor sap who thinks he has an easy goal on a breakaway. Scott Stevens lowers the boom on some Lindros-types. Brian Rafalski passes the puck to John Madden for a short-handed goal. Scott Niedermayer jumps into the offensive rush for a three-on-two. Nothing could be more exiting than the play of the New Jersey Devils!

There is, however, boring hockey being played by the opponents of the New Jersey Devils. The greatness of the Devils defensive core often completely smothers their opponents.

Fans of those teams, as well as others that are forced to play against the Devils, are always saying, "The Devils play boring hockey," but what they actually should say is, "The Devils make our team play boring hockey."

Therefore, the Stanley Cup Champion New Jersey Devils are the antithesis of a boring hockey team.

Have truer words ever been spoken? Survey says: No.

You're definitely onto something there...

Unthinkable

11-24-2003, 04:23 PM

David Puddy

11-24-2003, 08:26 PM

I just pointed out that everytime NJ has won a cup they had a tough team and has a heavyweight this year they dont and are last in the league in fights

But I tell you the team does play physical hockey. While the Devils don't have a Carlson brother on the team, they skate 18 hardnosed players every game. There is not a great need for an enforcer.

In fact, Turner Stevens got in a fight against the Rangers and a fight against Buffalo, and Coach Burns commented that he was not pleased that Stevenson got into the fights, especially while New Jersey lead. It should also be pointed out that the Devils have scored the first goal in 14 of their 18 games this season. They are also 11-3-4, so what is your problem? It isn’t pro wrestling.

If you need a fight fix, get the Slap Shot DVD and watch it after the Devils game. Or you could watch the Maple Leafs who had 2 fights this Monday night.

I shouldn't have assumed that. Thought the avatars were similar though. Anyways glad to have you here.
I feel like an imposter, but I did design the avatar myself, though it is only the Devils logo over actor Patrick Warburton's face. I can not remember the exact face painting that Puddy has in the episode of Seinfeld, but I think he had green and red.

Unthinkable

11-26-2003, 07:40 PM

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/Sports/2003/11/26/269156.html

Wed, November 26, 2003

Two for boring?
Do you think the NHL should be sent to the penalty box for its unexciting season ...

Is it just us, or has some of the joy been sucked out of the National Hockey League this season?

As much as Saturday's Heritage Classic in Edmonton was a celebration of everything that is to be admired about our national passion, it didn't necessarily make everything right again, either.

Not to us.

Or are we too cynical to appreciate the league for what it is?

Maybe we're wrong. Maybe the 2003-04 NHL season is as entertaining, as full of intrigue as any other. But before you tell us -- one way or the other -- consider some of the issues we find troubling about the NHL this season and the direction the league is taking.

THE TRAP

While just about everyone thinks it's suffocating the game, what's being done about it?

After Anaheim and New Jersey advanced to last spring's Stanley Cup final, Sun hockey columnist Al Strachan wrote:

"(The Devils and Mighty Ducks) both illustrate the moral of the story: If you put defence above all, treat the power play with disdain, and build your offence around a 1-4 trap, you can win the Stanley Cup. And unfortunately, in the NHL, success breeds imitation. If you thought the hockey was unwatchable this season -- and for the most part it was -- it's going to get worse."

Sadly, Strachan's prediction seems to have come true.
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borrachon

11-26-2003, 08:26 PM

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/Sports/2003/11/26/269156.html

Wed, November 26, 2003

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A Toronto paper whining about New Jersey? I'm schocked!

Unthinkable

11-26-2003, 08:40 PM

A Toronto paper whining about New Jersey? I'm schocked!

Russ Conway who covers the Bruins and writes for the Lawrence Eagle Tribune here in MA also got his shots in 3 days ago with regards to this same stuff. He wrote the same things after NJ eliminated Boston in the playoffs fwiw.

http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20031123/SP_006.htm

Link isn't working for some reason now, but it was there earlier this week.

PEli*

11-30-2003, 01:31 PM

A boredom update from me. Compliments of TSN.ca's stats.

Wake up, they say.

The Devils have allowed only 35 goals. That's a tie for the least allowed with Tampa. Interesting, no? The Devils have also scored 53. That puts them ahead of the offensive juggernauts that are Pittsburgh, Montreal, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Chicago, Columbus, Calgary and Minnesota.

This Devils offense is cookin' with gas now boys. I smell propane...and I like it. The Devils have scored six goals less than the wide, wide, wide, wide open Leafs and the Leafs have allowed a massive twenty seven more goals. Keep in mind the wide, wide, wide, wide open Leafs have played three more games than the Devils but they're still supposed to be an exciting team, right?

Who knows?

The Devils have scored 2.52 goals per game and the wicked offense of the Leafs has put up...2.46 goals per game? Wait a minute. That must be a mistake. Less goals per game than the most defensive and boring team in the game? It's not about goals though. It's about excitement for the fans.

I'm excited with 29 out of a possible 42 points. Are the Sens happy with 23/44? With guys like Alfredsson, Hossa, Bonk, Spezza, Havlat (contract issues aside) etc, are they happy with their exciting team now? Hell, the Sens have only scored 3.09 goals per game. That's a half goal more than the boring Devils.

To hell with math. I've got a game to sleep to. Goodnight Devil fans. Wake me up for the parking lot parade. :yo:

ICX*

11-30-2003, 11:42 PM

If memory serves, the Sens also lost to the Rangers, 6-2, days after we trounced them (the Rag$, that is), 5-0. By the commutative property, we should beat the Senators 5.5-1 the next time we play them. Bet the farm on it.

ICX*

12-03-2003, 06:49 AM

ESPN's Power Rankings (which have us at second), read like this:

Without Jamie Langenbrunner, one of their top offensive players, for three weeks, Devils games should be extra scintillating.

Usually I'd take offense to that, but after a loss and a tie in which Erik Rasmussen and Jay Pandolfo were our goalscorers, I can't help but agree.

Egil

12-05-2003, 12:25 PM

I'm excited with 29 out of a possible 42 points. Are the Sens happy with 23/44? With guys like Alfredsson, Hossa, Bonk, Spezza, Havlat (contract issues aside) etc, are they happy with their exciting team now? Hell, the Sens have only scored 3.09 goals per game. That's a half goal more than the boring Devils.

To hell with math. I've got a game to sleep to. Goodnight Devil fans. Wake me up for the parking lot parade. :yo:

Ottawa is in a different class. Our goal differential is completely out of whack with our record. We are scoring almost a goal more per game than our oponents, yet we are but a scant 4 games above .500, mainly due to horrific goal distribution. Our goal differential is actually higher than the Devils (+24 vs +19), but we just can't win a tight game to save our lives (0-9 in 1 goal games).

Ronnie Bass

12-05-2003, 12:29 PM

Ottawa is in a different class. Our goal differential is completely out of whack with our record. We are scoring almost a goal more per game than our oponents, yet we are but a scant 4 games above .500, mainly due to horrific goal distribution. Our goal differential is actually higher than the Devils (+24 vs +19), but we just can't win a tight game to save our lives (0-9 in 1 goal games).

Wow 0-9 in one goal games, that's freakin' amazing. I'm going to have to double check that one, that's really hard to believe......

Unthinkable

12-05-2003, 12:32 PM

Wow 0-9 in one goal games, that's freakin' amazing. I'm going to have to double check that one, that's really hard to believe......

I think the Devils won like 23 one goal games last season for comparisons sake.

Egil

12-05-2003, 07:31 PM

It is true (though 3 of those are OTL). We also gave up the first goal in 12 straight games, which was also an impressive feat. Their is a reason we have scored 24 more goals than we have allowed, yet are only 4 games above .500 (1 if you count OTL as losses). In our wins, we are averaging over 4.5 goals for, and less than 1.5 goals against per game. It has been a funny year so far....

Unthinkable

12-07-2003, 01:33 PM

Unthinkable

12-07-2003, 07:48 PM

From the I Say, You Say... segment on tonights NHL2Night:

Darren Pang:

Devils way of winning not good for hockey.

"I think that winning is winning. I know that the NJ Devils play a style of game that suffocates you and its not always fun to watch. But the bottom line when you go the rink and lace up your skates is winning the hockey game. Its all about W's."

Barry Melrose:

Winning most important

"I say its all about W's to. If you are a coach in the NHL, you don't care what your team looks like. You don't care how many shots you give up. You don't care who scores the goals if you win 1-0 every night. Its bad for tv. Its bad for guys like me and Darren. But its good for Pat Burns."

Hmmm. Sunday night. Last week it was EJ Hradek with the misinformation on Lou Lamoriello. This week its the ol' tried and true Devils are boring formula being recycled. Imagine that!

Blackjack

12-08-2003, 07:44 PM

http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen/news/sports/story.html?id=195bf631-2f59-4cb9-8379-6f5477feb965
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Citizen three stars

1. John Madden, Devils

2. Daniel Alfredsson, Senators

3. Scott Niedermayer, Devils

Entertainment value: Rating 2

Usually when you score the game winning goal with 18 seconds left in regulation, you at least get some recognition in the 3 stars, even if you're not the #1 star.

Guttersnipe

12-08-2003, 10:37 PM

From the I Say, You Say... segment on tonights NHL2Night:
Barry Melrose:

Winning most important

"I say its all about W's to. If you are a coach in the NHL, you don't care what your team looks like. You don't care how many shots you give up. You don't care who scores the goals if you win 1-0 every night. Its bad for tv. Its bad for guys like me and Darren. But its good for Pat Burns."

Yup, Pat Burns hates when the Devils score multiple goals in a game. And yes, NJ could use a scoring forward, but Lou main goal this summer was reducing payroll.

Last year, the Devils were 14th in GFA, while the Flyers were 17th and the Rangers were 18th. When the Flyers had trouble scoring we didn't hear how boring they were.

smashviller

12-11-2003, 10:08 AM

another NJ 1-0 snoozefest in the books.
ZZzzzzzz.......

NJDevs430

12-11-2003, 10:17 AM

another NJ 1-0 snoozefest in the books.
ZZzzzzzz.......
You didn't actually see the game, did you?
Have you at least read the relevant threads?
I submit this (http://mb3.theinsiders.com/fnewyorkislandersfrm1.showMessage?topicID=1552.top ic) link.
Have you read the reaction from the people who saw the game? Thought not.
Too bad for you.
}:-(>

Unthinkable

12-11-2003, 10:22 AM

another NJ 1-0 snoozefest in the books.
ZZzzzzzz.......

You and Enoch should both be forced to watch the Devils vs. Flyers games this weekend for repeatedly stating this as fact. If you still feel the Devils are boring afterwards then so be it, but at least you ought to be basing something like this on actually watching the team play games before adding to the general misconceptions here. How many threads were created in the NHL forum recently by Nashville fans praising Vokoun and the teams current win streak and how many of them had anything to say at all when NJ went a month unbeaten or anything positive after Brodeur gets a shutout? I don't recall a single one.

PEli*

12-11-2003, 10:28 AM

another NJ 1-0 snoozefest in the books.
ZZzzzzzz.......

Boy howdy. Go back to sleep.

I didn't even watch the entire game and I thought it was the most exciting game I've seen all season. Before you say it was boring, make sure you've watched either the game or the highlights. If you didn't get a chance to do that, read the papers and THEN say it was boring.

Based on the 1-0 score, it was a snoozefest. Well, at least you were awake enough to post that garbage in the right trash can.

kingbrath

12-11-2003, 11:35 AM

I thought that last years final was probably some of the boringest hockey ive ever seen, I mean usually I can handle watching NJ play , mainly becuase Stevens is a monster, and Broduer makes some of the sweetest saves ive ever seen. But, when put against the Ducks....zzzzzzzzzzzzz......Im not sure which would have been a worse final Ducks-Devils or Wild-Devils.
(P.S. Don't even get me started on the Ducks-Wild series, I don't know how many times i had to slap myself during those games). I think it depends on the team Jersey is playing...I have watched some pretty good tilts between NJ-Ott,NJ-Bos,etc. Anyways as a Kings fan I guess I can always rely on Roman Cechmanek to make our game "interesting" (or give me a heartattack), so thats my 2 cents...cheers! :yo:

ICX*

12-11-2003, 01:41 PM

Anyways as a Kings fan I guess I can always rely on Roman Cechmanek to make our game "interesting" (or give me a heartattack),

You'll love him in the playoffs. Just have your defrillibrator and a qualified paramedic handy.

Unthinkable

12-11-2003, 03:39 PM

You'll love him in the playoffs. Just have your defrillibrator and a qualified paramedic handy.

Truer words have never been spoken. Just wait till he sees the 0-60 in less then 10 seconds headfirst Slip 'N Slide to the blueline move that leaves his defensemen collectively scratching their heads in bewilderment. He must have a clause in his contract that rewards him for bolting the nets once a game come playoff time. Someone needs to tell him he doesn't need to leave the crease to refill his powerade bottle.

MissionHockey

12-11-2003, 05:34 PM

another NJ 1-0 snoozefest in the books.
ZZzzzzzz.......
:eek: Your not talking about the Devils-Islanders game are you?!?! That had to be the second most exciting game this season second to the Devils-Philly game earlier this season! If it hadn't been for Garth Snow and a few nifty saves from Marty the game could have been 5-4.

ICX*

12-11-2003, 06:42 PM

Truer words have never been spoken. Just wait till he sees the 0-60 in less then 10 seconds headfirst Slip 'N Slide to the blueline move that leaves his defensemen collectively scratching their heads in bewilderment. He must have a clause in his contract that rewards him for bolting the nets once a game come playoff time. Someone needs to tell him he doesn't need to leave the crease to refill his powerade bottle.

To top his meltdown in last year's playoffs, he'll have to go Randall Simon on the midget hockey guys during intermission.

David Puddy

12-14-2003, 01:29 PM

In an eight day period, the Devils played four of the most exiting regular season games I have watched. They scored 2 goals in the final 1:37 to beat Ottawa 2-1 on Saturday. Then on Wednesday, Elias misses a penalty shot at 0:28 of OT in a 0-0 game, but he scores the game winner at 2:51.

The Devils then play to a 3-3 tie with the Flyers on Friday at Continental Airlines Arena in a hard fought battle of the only two teams to win the Atlantic Division since 1995 season. The turn around and hand the Flyers their first loss of the season on the former ** Center thinks to some very exiting saves by the perhaps the greatest goalie in NHL history, Martin Brodeur.

If that isn't exiting enough hockey for you, you are an "F"-ing moron!

Guttersnipe

12-16-2003, 01:22 AM

borrachon

12-16-2003, 02:39 AM

Vanya

12-17-2003, 02:43 PM

I posted this in the NHL board but it bares repeating..the Devils are 5th in road attendance, and 8th/9th in the previous two years...not bad for a team most fans agree is more boring than watching paint dry. (check espn.com for the stats)

That's a great stat, thanks for posting it.

I'm sure most teams just give away bobblehead dolls when the Devils come to town, or maybe collectable pillows and blankets so the fans can go to sleep. (Of course, these pillows really come in handy to brace the fall of teams like the Flyers and Rangers from the top of the standings come January. Everybody wins!)

NJDevs430

12-18-2003, 09:48 AM

(Of course, these pillows really come in handy
to brace the fall of teams like the Flyers and Rangers from the top of the standings come January. Everybody wins!)
}:-)>

Ronnie Bass

12-18-2003, 11:17 AM

That's a great stat, thanks for posting it.

I'm sure most teams just give away bobblehead dolls when the Devils come to town, or maybe collectable pillows and blankets so the fans can go to sleep. (Of course, these pillows really come in handy to brace the fall of teams like the Flyers and Rangers from the top of the standings come January. Everybody wins!)
Or maybe these teams are giving insomniacs a discount to attend games?

Unthinkable

12-18-2003, 11:49 AM

Is everyone enjoying the wacky new Devils hater 'Wings9' on the NHL Talks board as much as I am?

His thoughtful analysis how the Devils didn't "deserve" any of their Cups and wouldn't have won any if they were in the WC or if the Wings and Avs were in the EC.

"Even the Devils players admit they are not proud of their game."

Pure Genius. :yo:

I'm waiting for him to accuse the Devils of supplying boys to Michael Jackson and hiding Bin Laden.

Safe to say no one will ever be able to convince him otherwise of his misguided beliefs. Nobody should even bother continuing wasting their time attempting to disprove all his assertions over there. He's actually managed to make a few of the Devil haters asking if the 2002-2003 team was the worst in history ever to win it all the night NJ won the cup look like saints if you can believe that.

MattNJD

12-18-2003, 12:46 PM

Can we please un-sticky this? I just hate looking at the thread topic. The DEvils aren't boring plain and simple. Just get this thread out of here. Driving me crazy.

Unthinkable

12-22-2003, 12:45 PM

This link isn't working now, but I still have part of the story blaming the Wild for all that ails the modern day NHL:

http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonSports/es.es-12-21-1024.html

Is Lemaire the man who's killing hockey?

"There he is. Jacques Lemaire. The most evil influence the NHL has ever known. The puppet master of a team that is so despised and has so ruined the great game of hockey that league executives and their advisors are, at this very moment, huddled in boardrooms trying to figure out ways to crush their damned system."

Unthinkable

01-13-2004, 04:52 PM

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1073862104169&call_pageid=968867503640&col=970081593064
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Saturday's game was by far the most boring game, however as much as I detest the trap, every successful team in the NHL seems to be employing some form of it. Seeing Saturday's game was a throwback to the playoffs of 2000 and 2001 when New Jersey had our number. Not much has changed apparently, and not much will unless the Leafs make some defensive changes. Nathen Minocha, Toronto, Jan. 12
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If the NHL is going to take a year or two off to settle the labor dispute, then they had better come back with a lot better brand of hockey, or no one may ever watch again. Support for the NHL is very fragile in many cities and games like Saturday's certainly will not help to keep the support at its present level. Peter Titanic, Oro Station, ON, Jan. 12
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It is my belief that those who stumbled were not the players on either squad but the zebras calling the game. This is the trouble with hockey today. It is still in my view the best professional sport to watch but the teams willing to play a more open style should be rewarded. If it means putting 4 guys in the penalty box so be it. It was by far one of the most boring games I have seen and I can't imagine having paid to see it live. This is an opinion that is shared also by many in my office as it was a brief topic of conversation Monday morning. It's one thing to put rules in place, but they are worthless if not implemented. Jim Chouzouris, Toronto, Jan. 12
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The Leafs vs Devils game was the worst I have seen in years. The NHL MUST do something about the trap. This is a disgrace ... hockey should be fun to watch ... I've seen more action watching the grass grow! The officiating was a joke as well. The understatement of the year at the games conclusion by Bob Cole: "It's not exactly what you call mindblowing hockey." Francis MacDonald, Inverness, Nova Scotia, Jan. 12
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I watched the entire game and was never so bored in my life!! Usually when the Leafs play against a team that uses "the trap," I don't bother to watch. Unfortunately, I did not listen to myself this time. The crowd was unusually quiet...then I realized half where asleep. Not the way hockey is meant to be played.
Barb Medeiros, Etobicoke, Jan. 12
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I am a huge leafs fan, but more than that I am a hockey fan, and what the Devils play isn't good hockey. They say it wins them games and I don't disagree, but they have totally horrific attendance at home and it is not because they are in a small market. I mean, people hate watching this team play, isn't the idea of watching hockey to be entertained?
Gabriel Byatt, Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Jan. 12
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Bad officiating is rampant in the NHL and a few teams seem to be really benefiting from it. I for one will never watch another New Jersey game, it was so boring no wonder they can't fill their own arena. They want to improve scoring then start calling the obstruction penalties again and for both teams playing. The NHL will have a real problem if more and more teams start to play like New Jersey and the officiating isn't cleaned up.
Wade Cooper, Kingston, Jan. 11
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First thing first, the game was boring as hell last night. I pity those who paid a fortune to watch the game. Enough has been said about Devils' trap strategy, but it works. If the Leafs really want a legitimate shoot at the Cup, they would have to play through them. Sundin's line just being manhandled by Devils' Madden line. Devils are not the only club that uses such system. They would have to figure out a way to breakout such system. Furthermore, what's wrong with Renberg. I am a fan of his, but missing the half-emptied chance like that was no excuse.
Vincent Wong, New York, Jan. 11
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If that idiot Bettman wants to know what is wrong with the NHL he has to look no further than the NJ Devils. The game last night against the Laffs had zero entertainment value as the Devils dumped the puck down the ice time after time, relying on their centres to win the resultant face off so they could dump the puck again. I pity the poor slobs who forked over the big bucks to watch that trash. At least I had a remote handy to turn on Home and Garden Television.
Paul F., New Brunswick, Jan. 11
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Being at the game last night wasn't enough to keep my attention. This game was so boring I was looking forward to seeing Clarke Wilm get back on the ice instead of the Sundin line. Renberg is almost as good as Jonas Hoglund used to be in screwing up glorious chances to score. Pilar was more of a "pillar" last night than a defenceman, Devils were skating around him and taking the puck from him all night. I wasn't willing to make the excuse that there were to many injuries now that Sundin and Belfour were back--this team looked uninspired all night for some reason.
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Do we want a cup if it means playing like the Devils? No wonder no one watches their games. They are by far the most boring team in the league - trap - trap - trap - YAWN!! Their trap ruins hockey and I will not watch another game that involves the Devils - I have to draw the line somewhere. Without their trap they would be a middle of the pack team. The league must do something to save hockey.
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Well the trap at work again , the NHL most do something to break the trap. I know it wins games, but it is boring as hell. The Devils are not the most talented team except for Martin Brodeur, so their plan is simple -- get the lead trap and the rest falls to Brodeur If the league gets rid of the red line then Devils would be in trouble.
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Everybody is talking about how well New Jersey played. The fact is, if the referees called all the obstruction and interference, power plays would be 15-2 for Toronto. Why are those rules in the rulebook, if they aren't going to be called? Toronto, is the most penalized team in the league, and New Jersey is the least. This is ludicrous. It's because Toronto is under the microscope, and if New jersey ever starts loosing the franchise will fold. The league doesn't want that to happen, so they play favourtism to these types of teams. NHL officiating is a complete joke. No one has any respect for any of the referees, from the players to the GMs. Its all a load of you know what. They just call whatever they feel will get them in the spotlight.
Peter Stathopulos, Waterloo, Jan. 11

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PEli*

01-16-2004, 10:56 AM

Can we please un-sticky this? I just hate looking at the thread topic. The DEvils aren't boring plain and simple. Just get this thread out of here. Driving me crazy.

I was expecting it to get more attention. I rarely see people coming to the GDTs and saying that the Devils are boring. I think they generally check this out, see that we don't care about it and keep it to themselves.

Is this bugging anybody a lot of people? I just posted it as a joke.

Tao Jones

01-16-2004, 07:15 PM

I say keep it, if it keeps the sour grapes out of the rest of the board. We've all heard it before. If people really need to express themselves, let them be accommodated here, instead of clogging up other threads. I've learned to skip over it, along with the Announcement stickies(once I've read them, of course ;)) , unless I want a laugh. At least I know what to expect when I open this thread, instead of it coming as a nuisance in a GDT after a win. It can also be used by the Mods as a dumping ground to move obtrusive posts. Nothing like an ounce of prevention. :p

DevilFisch

01-16-2004, 09:21 PM

I agree.

Plus, this thread is too boring to be bugging people. :)

Mathletic

02-07-2004, 07:23 PM

I agree.

Plus, this thread is too boring to be bugging people. :)

boring board too, I guess they even deleted the girls thread

PEli*

02-07-2004, 07:55 PM

boring board too, I guess they even deleted the girls thread

It was against the rules and had to be removed.

bb74

02-16-2004, 05:46 AM

The Devils play a game akin to getting stuck in rush hour traffic on a friday afternoon.

Not only is it boring (generally speaking - although against the better teams COL, DET, OTT, etc things do tend to liven up), but also amazingly frustrating to watch.

Kind of like watching the car-poolers (people doing it like one should) flying down the wing... ugh shoulder ... off into the sunset while with the Devils we're still at exit 3 with 20 miles to the next exit. We don't care though because we know that by driving aggressively in between lines ... I mean lanes ... we will still be the first off the highway and onto our breakaway weekend... Once they put one away, it is then time to wrap up the festivities because there's no point in having too much fun all at once and we all know there will be more Fridays to come....

AGraveOne

02-16-2004, 05:59 AM

I tend to agree with what some of the Devils fans are saying...the Devils don't play a boring style, but they dominate defensively thus eliminating scoring opportunities.

Ever see a game where the Devils are losing...usually pretty exciting. The Devils create a lot of offense from their defense and that consists of two-on-ones and breakaways.

I'd love to see my team equal NJ's dominant defense and then offense.

Drop the instigator penalty and the trap will lose a lot of effectiveness. Won't happen though...it is too hard for management's feeble minds to make the connection of enforcers = more respect of opponents = more space for star players = less effective trap = more scoring chances.

Vanya

02-20-2004, 02:05 AM

boring board too, I guess they even deleted the girls thread

Yeah I was wondering where that went! :mad: :p :rolly:

Anyone notice that since it was removed the Devils have struggled?!?!?!?!?!? I'm telling you all, that thread was gold last year and was working the same wonders this time around. Now it's gone and we get schooled by Washington!

Unthinkable

02-20-2004, 03:33 AM

Chico: "Most people in the media would have thought this game would've had no scoring chances, but thats not how these 2 teams play anymore. The writers just recycle what they have been saying for a few years".

Emrick: "Well to not recycle those opinions would require some people to actually do work".

PRICELESS! http://www.hfboards.com/images/smilies/yo.gifhttp://www.hfboards.com/images/smilies/handclap.gifhttp://www.hfboards.com/images/smilies/joker.gif

DevilFisch

02-21-2004, 02:59 PM

The Devils are beating the Rangers 4-1 after the first.

Hockey fans across the nation are hitting the pillow as they score-er, play.

Hellsempire

02-23-2004, 11:08 PM

Oh yeah, they were so boring that the Devils won another Stanley Cup and their third in nine years... :lol: Give me a friggin' break here... This is really getting played out about this boring thing... At times it may be boring but at least they win Cups and make the playoffs every year... ;)

Soul_Hunter_2

02-24-2004, 11:10 PM

They play a brutally slow game, but hey, they get the Cups. And you know what? Good for them. By the way, you guys want Trevor Kidd for Marty? :joker:

Classic Devil

02-24-2004, 11:15 PM

They play a brutally slow game, but hey, they get the Cups. And you know what? Good for them. By the way, you guys want Trevor Kidd for Marty? :joker:

You want Mats Sundin for Larionov?

Hellsempire

02-24-2004, 11:17 PM

How about Mogilny for Rasmussen? LMAO!

Soul_Hunter_2

02-24-2004, 11:33 PM

You want Mats Sundin for Larionov?
No offence, but come on now. Larionov? :joker:

Classic Devil

02-24-2004, 11:38 PM

No offence, but come on now. Larionov? :joker:

No offense, but come on. Trevor Kidd?
We chose Brodeur over Kidd when we drafted him. We know a good thing when we see it. :joker:

Hellsempire

02-24-2004, 11:42 PM

No offense, but come on. Trevor Kidd?
We chose Brodeur over Kidd when we drafted him. We know a good thing when we see it. :joker:

Actually Kidd was picked before Brodeur in the draft and the Devils picked Brodeur and now everything is just history in the making for Brodeur and Kidd is just another goaltender in the NHL... :lol:

Martin Brodeur= :bow:

Classic Devil

02-24-2004, 11:51 PM

Actually Kidd was picked before Brodeur in the draft and the Devils picked Brodeur and now everything is just history in the making for Brodeur and Kidd is just another goaltender in the NHL... :lol:

Martin Brodeur= :bow:

Ah, you forget that we traded down in that draft to let ... Calgary I think, draft Kidd when we grabbed Brodeur because Kidd had a better reputation.

Thank You David Conte and Devils scouting. :D

Hellsempire

02-24-2004, 11:56 PM

Vanya

02-25-2004, 01:21 AM

Ah, you forget that we traded down in that draft to let ... Calgary I think, draft Kidd when we grabbed Brodeur because Kidd had a better reputation.

Thank You David Conte and Devils scouting. :D

Yeah, we had the 11th overall pick that year. Let the Flames bite on Kidder and we wait for Marty at 20. As those Guinness guys would say, "Brilliant!"

David Puddy

02-25-2004, 08:42 AM

Ah, you forget that we traded down in that draft to let ... Calgary I think, draft Kidd when we grabbed Brodeur because Kidd had a better reputation.

Thank You David Conte and Devils scouting.
At the time, David Conte served as Assistant Director of Player Personnel. I believe Marshall Johnston was the Director of Player Personnel.

At any rate, the Devils had the #11 pick in the 1990 draft. The Devils needed a franchise goalie, and seemed line up to have their pick because of the talented skaters that were projected to go early in the draft.

Lou Lamoriello sent then Goaltending Coach/Scout Bob Bellemore to Canada to scout the highly-ranked Trevor Kidd and Martin Brodeur. Bellemore returned and said that Brodeur is better, so Lou Lamoriello swapped 1st Round Picks with Calgary (the Devils also got two 2nd Round Picks for one 2nd Round Pick in the trade.)

So Devils fans, don't forget the name Bob Bellemore. He is very important in the mounting tradition of this organization. The Devils also selected Mike Dunham and Corey Schwab in later rounds of the 1990 draft.

Classic Devil

02-25-2004, 09:22 AM

At the time, David Conte served as Assistant Director of Player Personnel. I believe Marshall Johnston was the Director of Player Personnel.

At any rate, the Devils had the #11 pick in the 1990 draft. The Devils needed a franchise goalie, and seemed line up to have their pick because of the talented skaters that were projected to go early in the draft.

Lou Lamoriello sent then Goaltending Coach/Scout Bob Bellemore to Canada to scout the highly-ranked Trevor Kidd and Martin Brodeur. Bellemore returned and said that Brodeur is better, so Lou Lamoriello swapped 1st Round Picks with Calgary (the Devils also got two 2nd Round Picks for one 2nd Round Pick in the trade.)

So Devils fans, don't forget the name Bob Bellemore. He is very important in the mounting tradition of this organization. The Devils also selected Mike Dunham and Corey Schwab in later rounds of the 1990 draft.

We got Brodeur, Dunham, and Schwab in a single draft? Jeez... That's three quality goalies. Is Bellemore still in the organization? He's got an eye for goalie talent.

Hellsempire

02-25-2004, 10:25 AM

Yeah, that was one of the best drafts ever for the Devils... 1990 was a year I could never forget in Devils history... :)

David Puddy

02-25-2004, 06:30 PM

Is Bellemore still in the organization? He's got an eye for goalie talent.
No. He returned to Providence College for his Masters Degree. He now works as a guidance counselor and as an assist women's coach at his al ma mater. Here is his biography page (http://friars.ocsn.com/sports/w-hockey/mtt/bellemore_bob00.html) at the P.C. Friars' site.

Vanya

02-25-2004, 08:59 PM

Classic Devil

02-25-2004, 09:31 PM

No. He returned to Providence College for his Masters Degree. He now works as a guidance counselor and as an assist women's coach at his al ma mater. Here is his biography page (http://friars.ocsn.com/sports/w-hockey/mtt/bellemore_bob00.html) at the P.C. Friars' site.

That's a pity. We owe him a lot. It sounds like he's doing okay though. Good for him, he deserves all the happiness in the world - he's single handedly won us three cups. :p

Hellsempire

02-26-2004, 12:43 AM

The Devils are so boring that they scored 8 goals tonight over the Sabres and 18 goals in the last 3 games... :eek: :yo:

Boring? I think not....

Congrats Brodeur! You are the best! :bow:

Necrophile

02-29-2004, 06:39 PM

The Hurricanes are definitely more boring to watch than the Devils. Not that I find the Devils very exciting...

Besides, at least Jersey's won 3 cups in the last decade.

Hellsempire

02-29-2004, 10:45 PM

The Hurricanes are definitely more boring to watch than the Devils. Not that I find the Devils very exciting...

Besides, at least Jersey's won 3 cups in the last decade.

Exactly! Boring teams do not win cups... Devils are not boring... The Canadiens played the same system as the Devils in the 60's and 70's with the trap and look at all the cups they won... So the system does work rather it is boring or not... I'll take the 3 cups anyday... :teach: ;)

Blackjack

03-08-2004, 01:42 AM

We got Brodeur, Dunham, and Schwab in a single draft? Jeez... That's three quality goalies. Is Bellemore still in the organization? He's got an eye for goalie talent.

The funniest thing about that draft is that Turner Stevenson went 8 slots in front of Brodeur. I heard that Stevenson still busts Brodeur's balls about it too :joker:

David Puddy

03-08-2004, 01:25 PM

The only thing I would like to add is the amount of great players that play for New Jersey make for some exciting viewing.

Martin Brodeur makes some incredible saves during the game, which is incredibly exciting to watch. The only thing more exciting than a goal being scored is when someone is robbed of a goal because of exceptional play by a goaltender. It's hokcey's answer to a baseball outfielder leaping over the fence to steal a home run away from a batter. Sports can't get much more exciting than that. It goes from one emotion to another complete opposite.

Scott Niedermayer, Brian Rafalski, Patrik Elias and Scott Gomez handle and move the puck so well it should be a pleasure for a hockey fan to watch.

Scott Stevens, when healthy, is such a great defenseman. He does everything so well, and he is such a powerful force.

To say that the Devils are boring is ridiculous.

ratsgirl

03-21-2004, 11:29 PM

Jeff Vanderbeek, (hopefully) the Devils new owner, in a NY Times interview (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/21/business/yourmoney/21prof.html?pagewanted=print&position=):

What of the critics who call the Devils' defensive playing style boring?

"That's sour grapes from the teams that don't win," he said. "It's not boring when you go to the Stanley Cup finals four times in nine years."

billsandsabres

03-28-2004, 12:40 PM

Classic Devil

03-28-2004, 03:51 PM

i haven't read this whole thread because i don't have 30 minutes on my hands

i agree that winning isn't boring, for the fans of that team
non-devils fans don't have the luxury of that bias
fans of other teams who just watch a devils game and have no stake in who wins the game are not joing to judge entertainment value based on who the victor is; they will judge it on how much fun it is to watch the game
somebody who doesn't like a defense first style is probably going to find the devils boring
if i have a choice between watching a devils game and another game, the devils usually lose out because i just don't find their style of play as entertaining (though sometimes emerich helps sway the decision)

We know that! We just don't care. It's entertaining to watch a close, 0-0, 1-1, 2-1 game where the opportunities aren't there but there always might be a breakdown, a leak, and boom! Goal! You never know what will happen next. That's the best part. Remember in 2000, the two OT games? Triple OT, Doubt OT - that was fantastic, wonderful, exciting stuff.

I think what Devils fans have the most trouble with is saying we are NEVER exciting, or that we were boring, even when we were leading the league in goals. We score a lot, at least right now - we just make sure the other team doesn't. There's nothing wrong with playing a little defense.

David Puddy

04-03-2004, 05:28 PM

I think what Devils fans have the most trouble with is saying we are NEVER exciting, or that we were boring, even when we were leading the league in goals. We score a lot, at least right now - we just make sure the other team doesn't. There's nothing wrong with playing a little defense.
What a lot of these "Devils are boring" people don't take into account is the huge saves by Martin Brodeur.

NJ_Devil_Boy

04-03-2004, 05:32 PM

What a lot of these "Devils are boring" people don't take into account is the huge saves by Martin Brodeur.

Yeah, when people see 15 shots and 12 saves, they don't realize that it could be that one shot in 4 mins that turns out to be a game saver. Got to love some Bruins fan calling Brodeur's logo on his helmet that "slimy thing".

:lol :shakehead

[get a clue] :clap:

Ronnie Bass

04-05-2004, 05:39 PM

Yeah I just read that before, what an *******. **** him.

MattNJD

04-15-2004, 09:21 AM

...was at the game...worst game I've ever been too...best part was seeing some drunk flyers fan talk trash after the game and get his @$$ kicked by devils fans in the parking lot...

Gaborik10

04-19-2004, 06:00 PM

If you guys are sick of this kind of talk, you are not alone. Everyday at least over at wild.com there is someone who comes over and says we are stupid and boring. And Evil One Lemaire is destroying the game by stifling creativity. Stifling creativity? I was just talking about him, but can anyone say Marian Gaborik?! You bet. He was stifled. It's the trap that did it, yup yup. Pulleeeze. Before he got over here, Gaborik couldn't defend himself out of a wet paper bag. And that's the truth. Now, he's a solid player in his own zone, and is disciplined. The trap isn't what's ruining hockey. Clutching and grabbing is. The trap is not clutching and grabbing. And that's the fault of the lack of enforcement of the rules. End of story. Funny thing is about these trashtalkers, they never seem to stay around too long as soon as you get the upperhand in the debate.

jerseydevil

04-19-2004, 09:33 PM

Can you guys imagine how the Devils would be ripped in the papers if they played a Game 7 as tight checking/boring as this game...Every Canadian media person would be claiming that they are ruining hockey....

NJ_Devil_Boy

04-19-2004, 09:53 PM

For those who didn't hear, even the guy calling the Leafs game yesterday said the Leafs were playing the TRAP in last nights OT vs the Sens. Interesting, no one called it boring....

PEli*

04-19-2004, 09:57 PM

For those who didn't hear, even the guy calling the Leafs game yesterday said the Leafs were playing the TRAP in last nights OT vs the Sens. Interesting, no one called it boring....

I watched it and there was more action in OT than there was the entire game. If people want to call the Devils boring, that game was boring as well. Two teams with that much offensive talent sitting back...interesting. I guess Quinn and Martin know how to keep themselves in the game.

Gaborik10

04-19-2004, 10:04 PM

If Gaborik ends up as anything like Elias, I'll for one be a happy fan!! :yo:

Classic Devil

04-19-2004, 10:12 PM

If Gaborik ends up as anything like Elias, I'll for one be a happy fan!! :yo:

If Gaborik ends up anything like Elias you've done a good job creating a team player. That's what Elias is, y'know, more than anything else. His scoring, leadership, work ethic - it's all part of the package, but it's his devotion to the team that makes him great in my book.

Gaborik10

04-19-2004, 10:18 PM

I think I'd rather have that type of player than a high-maintenance superstar. Under Lemaire, we are hoping that will happen, because Marian's got some rare skills that can be exploited on both ends of the ice.

jerseydevil

04-19-2004, 10:22 PM

For those who didn't hear, even the guy calling the Leafs game yesterday said the Leafs were playing the TRAP in last nights OT vs the Sens. Interesting, no one called it boring....

we just have to face facts....the devils have become the whipping boys for the trap...it doesn't matter how many goals they score..a lot of media don't actually watch the opposing teams..they just write what they have heard or seen in the past. Look at all the exciting games the Devs played last year in the playoffs against Ottawa..the Ducks..etc..It just doesn't matter..people just stick with an existing label

Gaborik10

04-19-2004, 10:28 PM

I think somebody should just take the boxscore of the Wild/Devils game earlier this season! 8 goals, almost 80 shots on net, and a hat trick!

Classic Devil

04-19-2004, 10:31 PM

we just have to face facts....the devils have become the whipping boys for the trap...it doesn't matter how many goals they score..a lot of media don't actually watch the opposing teams..they just write what they have heard or seen in the past. Look at all the exciting games the Devs played last year in the playoffs against Ottawa..the Ducks..etc..It just doesn't matter..people just stick with an existing label

But it's such a pain in the *** because it's become really, really undeserved. :shakehead
So we started it in 1995. Does anyone remember that we lead the whole league in scoring not too long ago? You'd be hard pressed to find a team with more firepower than

Elias - Arnott - Sykora
Mogilny - Gomez - Brylin

Niedermayer, Rafalski, Malakhov

:dunno:

It's such a pain.

jerseydevil

04-19-2004, 10:36 PM

But it's such a pain in the *** because it's become really, really undeserved. :shakehead
So we started it in 1995. Does anyone remember that we lead the whole league in scoring not too long ago? You'd be hard pressed to find a team with more firepower than

Elias - Arnott - Sykora
Mogilny - Gomez - Brylin

Niedermayer, Rafalski, Malakhov

:dunno:

It's such a pain.

I know..I use that argument all the time...The problem is the Devils don't have any media to defend them...There is almost no Jersey media...It's NY and they don't care to defens the Devils..It is sooo undeserved...

jerseydevil

04-20-2004, 10:00 AM

I think somebody should just take the boxscore of the Wild/Devils game earlier this season! 8 goals, almost 80 shots on net, and a hat trick!

No, the media defend themselves by calling this an abberation...They referred to it as surprisingly entertaining...and bs like that...It's just writers not doing a good job.

Gaborik10

04-20-2004, 11:01 PM

The media around hockey these days...it's just as bad as baseball. I couldn't believe how many times they showed Bertuzzi's crying act. I guess that's what goes now. Be emotional about it, and you're off the hook.:rolleyes: That was a good game though...and Gaborik's game where he really took off, but just a tad too late for us.

DRamones

05-22-2004, 04:55 AM

3 Cups ain't boring me to much!

jerseydevil

05-27-2004, 10:13 AM

That article from yahoo is very poor. For the writer to not know that the Flames are playing the trap is just awful research. Most writers don't have original thoughts and don't take the time to actually research. The digs at the Devils have been said before and will be said again..To include the 2000 Devils as one of the most boring team in history is just dumb...Highest scoring team in the league wins championship = boring.

Ronnie Bass

06-03-2004, 12:26 PM

Been a few days... guess we were due for more of the same rhetoric spouted in the media.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=dw-lordstanleyforthefans&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Lord Stanley for the fans by Dan Wetzel (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/expertsarchive?author=Dan+Wetzel), Yahoo! Sports
May 25, 2004
This is the email I sent this clown, we'll see if he gets back to me:

How does one get a job writing about hockey when it's apparent that one doesn't need to know much about hockey as you have displayed in your May 25th article about the SC finals. You insult a fine team as the Devils by suggesting that are the most boring team in the history of hockey. Well it's a shame that you missed game seven of the EC finals in 1994 against the Rangers that went to double overtime indeed a classic, and a series by the way that most hockey experts contend was on of the best in the history of hockey. Also sad that you missed thier SC runs of 1995, 2000 and 2003 where some of the most dramatic games in the last decade included your very boring Devils who play the trap, the same trap by the way that the Flames play but something that you have failed to notice.

It's easy to spew the same rhetoric as other so called hockey writers, about how the Devils have ruined hockey and are boring. What is hard is to do your own research into the cause of hockeys stunted growth and lack of offense to get to a real and valid reason, but it seems you choice the easy route and shame on you because that's not what you get paid to do. If your going to call yourself a hockey writer perhaps you should start acting like one.

Sincerly,

Ron Bolton

Youreallygotme

06-18-2004, 11:01 PM

:joker:

We're not boring. It's sour grapes. End of discussion.

dont you get it though? of course we're jelous of your stanley cups and all. But I still watch every hockey game late in the year, and I'm not afraid to concede a team I loathe, like say the leafs or the Avalanche play an exciting style of game. It's just not exciting the way the Devils employ their players, sitting back on a 1 - 0 lead. I really could care less about the stanley cups when i'm saying this - dont we call the wild boring? what have they ever done(aside from a fluke year)? no sour grapes there, i just hate watching them.I'll even admit when my own team plays a boring game ie. My hometown kelowna rockets.

Saying that sour grapes is what causes People to call the devils boring is an absolute cop-out and a lie.

Quote:
If you are a hockey fan, then this is the series to get excited about.

First off, there is no New Jersey. No offense (pun intended) to the Devils because I understand the name of the game is winning and who cares what style of play you use if you get to hoist the Cup at the end. That is fine for the organization, team and its fans.

But for the rest of us?

The Devils were perhaps the dullest team in hockey history. Worse yet, they were successful (three Cups and one other finals appearance in nine years), which meant copycats throughout the league adopted the neutral zone trap and bored fans to tears.

Last year's Devils-Mighty Ducks Cup matchup was truly historic. The teams were so conservative and so committed to trapping that a tight seven-game series was almost unwatchable. A 1-0 lead was practically insurmountable. It was like watching soccer, except without the grass growing as side entertainment.

I found this article to be quite accurate. It's fun for you...But what about us? I remember when New jersey lead the league in goals....That was a very exciting team, but 2003 was a very dissapointing SCF for many, including myself. It was almost unbearable to watch.

Classic Devil

06-18-2004, 11:44 PM

Gah, sudden revival.

This is a pretty touchy subject for us. We think it's good hockey. I enjoy watching high-tension defensive hockey. Maybe that's just me, I dunno.

But that team and our current team are completely different. If anyone thinks the current Devils are boring, then they need to watch Elias, Gomez, and Gionta more.

Hellsempire

06-19-2004, 02:11 AM

DRamones

06-19-2004, 05:24 AM

Enough of all this Devil Flyer stuff. It's simple, the Devils are a TEAM and the Flyers are a compilation of players. Need a center, we'll just buy one (Zhamnov). Need a winger, no problem we'll just buy on (Amonte). Need D, still no problem we'll just steal one from a hurting franchise (Johnsson, Malakhov). Goalie, you know the drill (Burke). These shouldn't even be listed as trades as Clark just goes around to all the teams in trouble and steals them. The exact reason the NHL needs to have a hard cap. Of course teams like the Flyers don't want to hear that because that would mean they would have to "develope talent". This is why the Devils are the best "team" in the NHL.

infinitesadd

06-19-2004, 05:43 AM

Classic Devil

06-19-2004, 09:46 AM

We'd rather have some explaination as to why you think it's boring instead of just regurgitating previous ones.... though I do believe that all possible arguments have been expended at this point.

infinitesadd

06-19-2004, 01:12 PM

We'd rather have some explaination as to why you think it's boring instead of just regurgitating previous ones.... though I do believe that all possible arguments have been expended at this point.

You would be correct in saying its all been said, because that is why they are boring, the same reasons everyone says. I am not saying OMG I HATE the Devils, cause I do appreciate what they do. They are good at it, it just makes for boring hockey.

Systemfel

06-20-2004, 04:27 PM

The New Jersey Devils are Boooooring...
But effective though. :)

GentlemanOfLeisure

08-03-2004, 02:39 PM

This offseason is boring. I really hope it isnt as long as the 94' off season which was June to January.

Al Trautwig

11-20-2004, 03:01 PM

Vic Rattlehead

11-20-2004, 03:10 PM

Al Trautwig

11-20-2004, 03:18 PM

19Bruins19,

How am I going to be crushed? my post was written with tongue firmly placed in cheek.

I didn't say anything that was overtly offensive, unless the word "suck" is that horrible.

I am a huge hockey fan first, Devil fan second.

The team takes knocks all the time, with the same tired comments dogging our players.

It is about time that people just respect what Lou has built in the swamp and not always trying to find excuses as to why they have success,

If I offended you 19B19, i apologize, but im hoping you just mis-understood what i was trying to convey.

Classic Devil

11-20-2004, 03:18 PM

Ronnie Bass

11-20-2004, 03:20 PM

19Bruins19,

How am I going to be crushed? my post was written with tongue firmly placed in cheek.

I didn't say anything that was overtly offensive, unless the word "suck" is that horrible.

I am a huge hockey fan first, Devil fan second.

The team takes knocks all the team, with the same tired comments dogging our players.

It is about time that people just respect what Lou has built in the swamp and not always trying to find excuses as to why they have success,

If I offended you 19B19, i apologize, but im hoping you just mis-understood what i was trying to convey.

Yeah dude, I caught your post as sarcasm too, good first post.

Vic Rattlehead

11-20-2004, 03:26 PM

19Bruins19,

How am I going to be crushed? my post was written with tongue firmly placed in cheek.

I didn't say anything that was overtly offensive, unless the word "suck" is that horrible.

I am a huge hockey fan first, Devil fan second.

The team takes knocks all the team, with the same tired comments dogging our players.

It is about time that people just respect what Lou has built in the swamp and not always trying to find excuses as to why they have success,

If I offended you 19B19, i apologize, but im hoping you just mis-understood what i was trying to convey.

Yes, I mis-understood. Tough to know who uses sarcasm and who doesn't these days. Many people start out with a lame post. Nice sarcasm though.

EDIT-- You didn't offend me, I was just trying to warn you for some of the people on these boards.

Al Trautwig

11-20-2004, 03:36 PM

No Problemo,

Look forward to talking pucks (or lack there of) in the upcoming months.

cassius

06-01-2005, 11:11 PM

The devils are boring.

Regardless of how they develop talent (that they then smother in a defensive system so boring I'd rather watch paint dry), regardless of how well they play as a team, they are boring.

I would love to see Elias in a wide open style of play. That would be exciting.

There is only one time when the Devils aren't boring, and that is in the playoffs, but even then its somewhat excruciating because of the style of play they employ.
Agreed. I hope changes will be made to the NHL in order to stop the trap and other totally defensive minded strategies.

I would rather watch paint try than watch a Devils game. Why else do you think they are unable to fill up an arena ... even in the playoffs?

In my opinion, the Devils and other purely defensive teams can be credited towards the decline of NHL fanfare.

A 1-0 victory with 60 minutes spent waiting on the blue line is not how hockey is meant to be played.

dkball7

06-01-2005, 11:53 PM

I would rather watch paint try than watch a Devils game.

Don't inhale the fumes!

Ronnie Bass

06-02-2005, 02:23 AM

Agreed. I hope changes will be made to the NHL in order to stop the trap and other totally defensive minded strategies.

I would rather watch paint try than watch a Devils game. Why else do you think they are unable to fill up an arena ... even in the playoffs?

In my opinion, the Devils and other purely defensive teams can be credited towards the decline of NHL fanfare.

A 1-0 victory with 60 minutes spent waiting on the blue line is not how hockey is meant to be played.
You don't know a thing about hockey, do you? It shows.

4check22

06-02-2005, 10:05 AM

Agreed. I hope changes will be made to the NHL in order to stop the trap and other totally defensive minded strategies.

I would rather watch paint try than watch a Devils game. Why else do you think they are unable to fill up an arena ... even in the playoffs?

In my opinion, the Devils and other purely defensive teams can be credited towards the decline of NHL fanfare.

A 1-0 victory with 60 minutes spent waiting on the blue line is not how hockey is meant to be played.Go watch the NBA Finals if you don't want defense. Better yet, go play your NHL 2005 on your PS2. Set the computer AI to "moron" so you can run up the goals. Since you don't watch the Devils (or love watching paint dry), your opinion means jack to me, buddy.

DevilFisch

06-02-2005, 02:50 PM

Go watch the NBA Finals if you don't want defense.

Don't speak too quickly there. San Antonio (the closest thing the NBA has to the Devils) beat Phoenix and Detroit's tied up with Miami. An DEFENSIVE FINALS~! are possible in the NBA.

Oh yeah, the Devils aren't even close to the most defensive team in the NHL. Take your complaints of 1-0 games to the Minnesota Wild.

mike4dead

09-19-2005, 06:30 PM

Stanley cup winning teams are boring. End of story.

Av-merican

09-21-2005, 07:43 PM

Can't really complain about the Devils specifically, I just think any lack of excitement is a league-wide epidemic. I've only seen an intrasquad scrimmage thus far, and it looks like hockey's going to be fast-paced and fun, albeit penalty-ridden to start.

Then again, I could've been so hockey-starved that ANY hockey looked exciting, kinda like the cracker analogy Eddie Murphy uses in "Raw." :)

As for the Devils, I don't think they're necessarily boring, though I'll say that the '95 and '00 cup-winning teams were way more fun to watch. :teach: That's why I'm psyched to see Zach Parise in the lineup.

tinyzombies

09-27-2005, 12:25 PM

Maybe your team should have won a Stanley Cup in the last quarter of a century before you shoot your mouth off.

I guess I can shoot my mouth off then. I found the Devils to be a very interesting team to watch in the mid-90s and then again in the early 00's. I think they got more cautious in the late 90s after all the early round upsets and they've reverted to that the last couple years as well. 2003 was not the most interesting hockey I've seen to be honest.

With all their speed and the new rules, the Devils should be very interesting again this year.

ICX*

10-05-2005, 10:49 PM

This thread is still open?

Classic Devil

10-05-2005, 10:56 PM

This thread is still open?

It's stickied for posterity.

DevilFisch

10-05-2005, 10:59 PM

Plus, it's a convenient place for fools to come in here and complain about the Devils' "boring" style of play.

Especially that now we can point to tonight's game as (further) proof against it.

ICX*

10-05-2005, 11:03 PM

It's stickied for posterity.

This calls for Pat Benatar!

We are young, heartache to heartache we stand
No promises, no demands
Love is a battlefield
We are strong, no one can tell us we’re wrong
Searchin’ our hearts for so long, both of us knowing
Love is a battlefield

You’re beggin’ me to go, you’re makin’ me stay
Why do you hurt me so bad?
It would help me to know
Do I stand in your way, or am I the best thing you’ve had?
Believe me, believe me, I can’t tell you why
But I’m trapped by your love, and I’m chained to your side

We are young, heartache to heartache we stand
No promises, no demands
Love is a battlefield

We are strong, no one can tell us we’re wrong
Searchin’ our hearts for so long, both of us knowing
Love is a battlefield

We’re losing control
Will you turn me away or touch me deep inside?
And before this gets old, will it still feel the same?
There’s no way this will die
But if we get much closer, I could lose control
And if your heart surrenders, you’ll need me to hold

We are young, heartache to heartache we stand
No promises, no demands
Love is a battlefield

We are strong, no one can tell us we’re wrong
Searchin’ our hearts for so long, both of us knowing
Love is a battlefield

We are young, heartache to heartache we stand
No promises, no demands
Love is a battlefield

We are strong, no one can tell us we’re wrong
Searchin’ our hearts for so long, both of us knowing
Love is a battlefield

Transported Upstater

10-15-2005, 05:43 PM

This calls for Pat Benatar!

We are young, heartache to heartache we stand
No promises, no demands
Love is a battlefield
We are strong, no one can tell us we’re wrong
Searchin’ our hearts for so long, both of us knowing
Love is a battlefield

You’re beggin’ me to go, you’re makin’ me stay
Why do you hurt me so bad?
It would help me to know
Do I stand in your way, or am I the best thing you’ve had?
Believe me, believe me, I can’t tell you why
But I’m trapped by your love, and I’m chained to your side

We are young, heartache to heartache we stand
No promises, no demands
Love is a battlefield

We are strong, no one can tell us we’re wrong
Searchin’ our hearts for so long, both of us knowing
Love is a battlefield

We’re losing control
Will you turn me away or touch me deep inside?
And before this gets old, will it still feel the same?
There’s no way this will die
But if we get much closer, I could lose control
And if your heart surrenders, you’ll need me to hold

We are young, heartache to heartache we stand
No promises, no demands
Love is a battlefield

We are strong, no one can tell us we’re wrong
Searchin’ our hearts for so long, both of us knowing
Love is a battlefield

We are young, heartache to heartache we stand
No promises, no demands
Love is a battlefield

We are strong, no one can tell us we’re wrong
Searchin’ our hearts for so long, both of us knowing
Love is a battlefield

Do people still complain about this?

I never had a major problem with the Devils, because although they were a defensive team, they were among the least penalized and least dirty teams IMO.

I have a far bigger problem with a team that plays dirty than a team that plays defense and wins.

tml_4ever

10-16-2005, 02:11 AM

Nice thread you guys have here :)

Unthinkable

12-10-2005, 01:01 AM

http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMzMmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY4MzMxNTQmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZU VFeXk2

Robinson also said Wednesday that the Devils were "the strangest team I've ever been around."

"Normally, there's a certain personality that goes with a team, but I can't find this one's personality," he said Thursday.

The Devils had won seven of 10 games entering this week, so they have shown they are capable of playing better.

"That's why I think he calls us strange, because you don't see us the same way every day," Brodeur said. "That's something that is unusual compared to other teams that we had here. You knew exactly what to expect from us every day. We got called boring a lot from being so consistent. We've got to get back to that."

zarathustra1900

12-11-2005, 11:22 AM

Brodeur Sucks, the only reason he is good because of the defense around him.

The Defense sucks, the only reason they are effective is because Martin Brodeur is in goal.

The Offense is a joke. the only reason they contribute to the team is because they score timely goals and are all dilligent in their own end.

Lou is a terrible GM, the only reason he can keep his job is because the players he drafted and traded for actually worked out.

The Devils are a joke.

A 3 time cup joke.

LOL...right on. What sucks are so many of the "so called" NJ Devils fans.

B*itchiest group of fans one will ever find...no sarcasm here my friends. No tongue in cheek.

I am new to forums generaly, not much of a forum person. In a country without hockey. Miss the game tremendously...

But, I had to take some moments lately to complain, although thousands of miles away, when and where I can of how disappointed I am in Devils fans sometimes.

One never, ever, sees Leafs or Oilers fans behave like all too many Devils so called fans do.

I am not mr. sunchsine, however, there is criticism and there is constructive criticism.

I said it before, it is always so much easier for people to destroy than to create.

We'll get another cup, no worries...WITH Brodeur.

Boooing Brodeur?! Man, all were fortunate I was not there...you wanna die?! Idiots.

ciao all

zarathustra1900

12-15-2005, 08:06 PM

...and as for the Devils being boring, that is very unfair.

The goal is to win. The Devils did not create the trap, they perfected it. The Devils never get any respect. It worked.

Everyone copied us it was so good. No one could figure a way to beat it.

It became so prevelant that teh NHL had to change the rules...why?

So hockey would become more entertaining.

In soccer fans will go an hour or more without a goal and fans still go crazy during the game. Will sit and watch intently. In hockey it is criticized for ruining the sport, etc.

So, it is not entertaining to use your defense and it is entertaining to use your defense. It is nonsense, and unfair.

One pos. aspect of "NEW NHL," less violence, return to/ focus on the talent/skill within the sport, and will force the Devils to develop their offense.

It will be a rough transition, for everyone in the league, but especially for the Devs.
I think we chould anticipate a return to the 80's in a way until they develop.

my .02.

ciao

OCD

01-14-2006, 11:34 PM

people who say the devils are boring are obviously retarded. :p:

Steve L*

01-18-2006, 12:00 AM

dkball7

01-18-2006, 12:08 AM

Ronnie Bass

01-18-2006, 12:10 AM

Well a commentator made this comment when he thought he was off air.

"they're power play is getting good too... New Jersey... but they play a boring game don't they? I certainly wouldn't pay $80 to see that team play.."

:biglaugh:
You know, everytime the Devils would raise the Stanley Cup above their heads - three I believe it is - never once did I ever recall myself saying "but they play a boring game don't they?"

Steve L*

01-18-2006, 01:57 AM

You know, everytime the Devils would raise the Stanley Cup above their heads - three I believe it is - never once did I ever recall myself saying "but they play a boring game don't they?"
Were talking about now, not then and it wasnt me saying it, it was a commentator who thought he was off air so there goes your theory that its just people that hate the Devils that think theyre boring.

Ronnie Bass

01-18-2006, 02:26 AM

Were talking about now, not then and it wasnt me saying it, it was a commentator who thought he was off air so there goes your theory that its just people that hate the Devils that think theyre boring.
First off, who decided we were talking about now? You? People have been saying we were boring since 1995 and during all three of our Stanley Cup runs, so we bringing up our three Cups is quite valid since any fool would never be dumb enough to suggest that his team winning Stanley Cups is boring. Second, show me when I passed off people calling the Devils boring as any kind of theory of mine, and finally third if I did pass it off as my theory for arguments sake, how could you possibly know if that commentator doesn't hate the Devils?

4check22

01-18-2006, 08:18 AM

First off, who decided we were talking about now? You? People have been saying we were boring since 1995 and during all three of our Stanley Cup runs, so we bringing up our three Cups is quite valid since any fool would never be dumb enough to suggest that his team winning Stanley Cups is boring. Second, show me when I passed off people calling the Devils boring as any kind of theory of mine, and finally third if I did pass it off as my theory for arguments sake, how could you possibly know if that commentator doesn't hate the Devils?
Don't argue with Steve L. He's a Flyers fan, which means he is in cahoots with MojoJojo, and I believe we have established that MojoJojo is always right.

zarathustra1900

02-04-2006, 02:07 PM

Look at this season...the Devils are boring?!

A defensive team is not a boring team. Playing smart is not playing boring.

All teams possess strengths and weaknesses..we did what we had to do at the time..we've moved on now..get over it.

Why have so many teasm copied us then in terms of defensive? How many are still playing the trap?

Have you any idea how popular soccer is here in Europe? They go 45+ minutes without scoring...and they live and breathe it here.

You do what it takes to win..

I think if people are going for a show, they should goto the circus. The philosophy does not work either of the individual high strung efforts. Look at the Rangers..come on..

Watching baseball is boring, so is golf...but interesting and fun to play.

There is no team that could have done what the Devils have this season..not one.

Anyone making such comments is ignorant or jealous. Period.

I don't know why I continue to get suckered by these threads..

goon

04-08-2006, 11:30 AM

They maybe boring but they are still winning.

natureboy*

04-11-2006, 05:34 PM

Oh yeah winning Stanley Cups is sooooooo boring. Almost wish I rooted for the Flyers(28 years & counting), or the Bruins(31 years), or the Maple Leafs(36 years) or even the Black Hawks(42 years)!

For all fans for those perspective clubs, I'm not trying to be cruel, just trying to make a point.....I respect all hockey fans, no matter who you root for.........but this boring crap has got to come to an end.
Boring hockey+NJ devils. I'd rather watch paint dry.

Ronnie Bass

04-11-2006, 05:36 PM

Boring hockey+NJ devils. I'd rather watch paint dry.
Good for you man, I could honestly care less what you'd rather watch.

But I do know this, watching us winning all those Stanley Cups is not boring, it's fun as hell.

devsfan8

04-11-2006, 05:41 PM

Boring hockey+NJ devils. I'd rather watch paint dry.

Actually 7 consecutive Aprils of Ringling Brothers, The Liberty and Coin Conventions at MSG is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

It was funny how the game the other night was exciting when the Rangers 2 goals stood tall over the Devils 1 goal, but then when Gomez went end to end and Gionta put the seal on it then it became a boring game.

ICX*

04-11-2006, 05:45 PM

I'd rather watch paint dry.

Q. What's the only thing more tiresome than Devils' hockey?

A. Cliches.

bioman85*

04-13-2006, 09:01 PM

Who are you guys trying to convince that the style of Devils play is not boring. Of course you're not going to get much argument, considering 90% of the posters who come here are Devils fans. There should be a balance of offense and defense in hockey, but the Devils sacrifice most of their offense for playing defensively. No one is saying it doesn't work, you've proven it does. But no one says you're boring because we're "jealous". We don't say anything bad about the Avalanche or Red Wings, and we should be jeaous of them as well.

But I think you'll have a hard time with this argument on other team's message boards besides your own.

TaiMaiShu

04-14-2006, 01:06 AM

Wow.

Blackjack

04-14-2006, 03:20 AM

4check22

04-14-2006, 03:21 PM

Observe the hater in his natural habitat. His rage flows from some unfulfilled desire or yearning. His babbling is incoherent, but he has discernable grunts for meal times, and when he feels threatened.
Hahahahaha! Priceless.

RaffiRules

04-14-2006, 03:27 PM

I have no problem watching defensive hockey(as long as there is hard hitting, oh, I am a Blue Jackets fan, but I root for the Devils). Also, why do so many people care if the game is boring, personally, I think it's becuase you can't stand that they win playing "boring" hockey.

David Puddy

04-18-2006, 11:42 AM

devsfan8

04-18-2006, 11:55 AM

We don't say anything bad about the Avalanche or Red Wings, and we should be jealous of them as well.

But I think you'll have a hard time with this argument on other team's message boards besides your own.

That is because other teams fans, commentators and etc, refer to defense as the 1-2-2 or the left wing lock or 2 men back, etc. They refuse to refer to it as the "trap". Since that name was pinned on the Devils they have the reputation of being a boring hockey team. They are the best at mastering defense, but the Devils are fast and have scoring ability. I have never been bored one day as a Devils fan and I watch any hockey game on TV.

DevilFisch

04-18-2006, 08:34 PM

During the streak the Devils have averaged 3.8 goals for/game, 1.4 goals against/game.

So boring, the Devils are averaging so well on offense and defense.

UPDATE: 21,000+ found sleeping as the Devils came from a 3-0 deficit to beat Montreal 4-3 and clinch the Atlantic Division title and the #3 seed in the Eastern Conference.

OCD

04-18-2006, 11:55 PM

god that 3rd period was sooooo boring.... :propeller

devsfan8

05-01-2006, 10:04 AM

15 consecutive games of 3 or more goals. Talk that boring hockey.

DevilFisch

05-01-2006, 12:31 PM

I never yawned so much during a playoff series sweep...

Al Trautwig

05-03-2006, 09:27 PM

You know what is boring?

Waiting a full week for the next round to start.

nyrmessier011

05-10-2006, 04:18 PM

Well a commentator made this comment when he thought he was off air.

"they're power play is getting good too... New Jersey... but they play a boring game don't they? I certainly wouldn't pay $80 to see that team play.."

:biglaugh:

If I may...I believe that's the biggest problem with the entire Devils organization. If they don't win a lot of games, the style of play is absolutly not worth the price of admission or your time during the week to watch them on TV.

Drewr15

05-10-2006, 04:38 PM

If I may...I believe that's the biggest problem with the entire Devils organization. If they don't win a lot of games, the style of play is absolutly not worth the price of admission or your time during the week to watch them on TV.

I think you should look at how low the Rangers TV ratings and how little press coverage they got in NY this year before you throw stones. :dunno:

forceten

05-16-2006, 01:53 PM

Why is such a ridiculous thread pinned after all this time.

It's a stupid comment, a stupid fantasy propogated by jealous Rangers fans and ignorant media.

The Devils in 1995 were a very very defensive team. That was not the case shortly after, and hasn't been since. A team that consistently is among the top third in the league in scoring, with several top 5 finishes, is hardly "boooring". They don't trap.

If you watch the Rangers this year they played a style very similar to recent Devils style. Is that "boooring" too?

This is a stupid thread.

Can't we remove it? It looks silly always pinned to the top of our board.

NJDevs430

05-16-2006, 04:14 PM

Why is such a ridiculous thread pinned after all this time.
...Can't we remove it? It looks silly always pinned to the top of our board.
The idea was so that we wouldn't have the board cluttered with new threads saying the same thing over and over.

}:-)>

Brooklyndevil

07-07-2006, 05:56 PM

It sure was boring watching the Devils sweep the Rangers in four. I was kind of hoping for a seven game series. Dam those Devils. ;)

Alpa Chino

07-07-2006, 06:10 PM

It sure was boring watching the Devils sweep the Rangers in four. I was kind of hoping for a seven game series. Dam those Devils. ;)

LOL you bring back a thread in which the last post wasnt since May just to bash the Rangers :biglaugh: . Whatever helps you sleep at night. Where would we be with out you to point out these things to us lol. Devils played a better series, no question. Kudous

And since I replied in this thread I might was well add to it by saying this. Personally I dont like the style the Devils play (their system), BUT that isnt to say that its boring per se. I think this years games that I caught against the RANGERS and other teams where much more enjoyable, than in years past. Personally the only team I really cant watch is the flyers. I like the faster style play and IMO the flyers dont bring that to me. To each thier own. I cant wait untill next season, so fans of all teams will have somthing to talk about instead on harping on the past. Good luck to the Dev's this up comming season.

David Puddy

07-08-2006, 01:55 PM

Personally I dont like the style the Devils play (their system), BUT that isnt to say that its boring per se. I think this years games that I caught against the RANGERS and other teams where much more enjoyable, than in years past.Maybe you caught that exciting game in which Scott Gomez had that great end-to-end rush and split the defensemen to score the goal that tied it at 2-2, and Brian Gionta burried the game winner from Elias with 6:48 left in the 3rd Period.

When the Rangers took a 2-1 lead, Chico Resch pointed out to Doc Emrick that the Rangers were playing the 1-2-2, also know as the neutral-zone trap.

Here are the highlights of the game (http://www.nhl.com/video/app?component=%24GameVideoViewer_1.%24DirectLink&page=DailyHighlights&service=direct&sp=S%2F20052006%2F02%2F1162%2FIH_NHL_2005_2006_116 2_2_300K_continuous.wmv&sp=1162&sp=2).

Alpa Chino

07-08-2006, 08:11 PM

Maybe you caught that exciting game in which Scott Gomez had that great end-to-end rush and split the defensemen to score the goal that tied it at 2-2, and Brian Gionta burried the game winner from Elias with 6:48 left in the 3rd Period.

When the Rangers took a 2-1 lead, Chico Resch pointed out to Doc Emrick that the Rangers were playing the 1-2-2, also know as the neutral-zone trap.

Here are the highlights of the game (http://www.nhl.com/video/app?component=%24GameVideoViewer_1.%24DirectLink&page=DailyHighlights&service=direct&sp=S%2F20052006%2F02%2F1162%2FIH_NHL_2005_2006_116 2_2_300K_continuous.wmv&sp=1162&sp=2).

I dont know if you where trying to flame, but I clearly stated that I enjoyed the Devils games that I saw. Including that game, personally I dont get why you have to attempt to make this into a Devils/Rangers thread, you need to learn to read/comprehend a little better. Or just grow up, either will work. I stated many times over and I guess I will explain this again, actually let me quote myself.
Personally I dont like the style the Devils play (their system), BUT that isnt to say that its boring per se. I think this years games that I caught against the RANGERS and other teams where much more enjoyable, than in years past.

did I say anything negative about this years team? No? So lets not turn what I said into something I didnt and let this thread die out.

Agian because I guess I wasnt clear, I LOOK FOWARD TO SEEING DEVILS/RANGER GAMES THIS SEASON. I think we all can agree that the Rangers are better than they have been and win or lose that makes for some good rivalry hockey.

bense27

07-08-2006, 11:38 PM

I still don't get how anyone finds them boring. I love watching them. Okay, so they are defensive, I would rather see them win 1-0 than 8-7.

mattyports

07-11-2006, 02:59 PM

:devils = :boredom:

:D

s7ark

07-11-2006, 03:05 PM

I still don't get how anyone finds them boring. I love watching them. Okay, so they are defensive, I would rather see them win 1-0 than 8-7.

;) And that is why you don't understand.

Big#D

07-11-2006, 03:08 PM

;) And that is why you don't understand.

and that is why you don't understand hockey

ratsgirl

07-12-2006, 07:21 PM

Question for everyone:

does anyone still want to keep this thread stickied? I don't really care if it's still here, but there have been quite a few complaints from people that want it gone. I've heard all the arguments from the people that want it gone, but if you have a compelling reason for why you think it should stay, this is your chance to speak up. If I don't hear anything from anyone, I'll unsticky this tomorrow night.

David Puddy

07-12-2006, 09:46 PM

;) And that is why you don't understand.What you and bense27 fail to see is that 1-0 games do not translate to 8-7 games in wide-open hockey. They translate to 8-3 games that are over after the first period.

An 8-7 game would be exciting once in a while, but they do sicken me because that type of score is usually the result of a lot of mistakes.

Question for everyone:

does anyone still want to keep this thread stickied? I don't really care if it's still here, but there have been quite a few complaints from people that want it gone. I've heard all the arguments from the people that want it gone, but if you have a compelling reason for why you think it should stay, this is your chance to speak up. If I don't hear anything from anyone, I'll unsticky this tomorrow night.Were Devils fans complaining to you? The title is sarcastic on the part of PEli.

I support the continuation of this thread because there is still a misconception to some that the Devils are a boring team. This gives those who wish to discuss the matter a place to do so.

It is also not a problem from the standpoint of the appearance of the Devils board. There are only two other stickied threads, and I imagine the Elias one would be removed by the start of camp. Some team pages have a half dozen or more stickied threads.

crashlanding

07-12-2006, 09:54 PM

I agree with Puddy, I look at this thread and I think it's funny. There are still plenty of people out there that still think that and this thread does a decent job of mocking them. I don't find it offensive to the team or the fans, I think it shows we have a sense of humor.

David Puddy

07-12-2006, 10:12 PM

I dont know if you where trying to flame...Certainly not. You said the "style the Devils play." That could only mean one thing, the neutral-zone trap. I was pointing out that the Rangers were doing that very same thing in a game against the Devils when the Rangers took the lead.

ratsgirl

07-13-2006, 06:05 PM

Coffee

07-13-2006, 06:29 PM

Certainly not. You said the "style the Devils play." That could only mean one thing, the neutral-zone trap. I was pointing out that the Rangers were doing that very same thing in a game against the Devils when the Rangers took the lead.

It looked to me like you were flaming him. Just the way you worded it made it look like that. I too noticed the Rangers use the trap occasionally this year. Then again, I'm one of those non-Devils fans that doesn't really find the trap to be boring. It's a smart and effective strategy to use.

And I find the title of the thread to be hilarious.

Transported Upstater

07-13-2006, 06:53 PM

Holy CRAP, this thread is still alive?

Kudos to Devils fans for putting up with this stuff year in and year out...

Tao Jones

07-13-2006, 09:29 PM

Historical reference should remain stickied.

new boring threads would appear

see Hydra.

Homesick

07-20-2006, 01:55 AM

I think The Devils are percieved as boring becuase their season is always so long. Nobody EVER said the Oilers were boring in the 80's; and they had lengthy seasons a couple more times than the Devils

BrodieMan

07-23-2006, 12:05 AM

:devils = :boredom:

:D

I find it shocking, someone from Boston finds theDevils boring....interesting...try tading the rest if your team...

David Puddy

07-23-2006, 02:43 AM

I find it shocking, someone from Boston finds theDevils boring....interesting...mattyports is probably a victim of Dale Arnold's jealousy over the New Jersey Devils franchise. The New Jersey Devils are run like the New England Patriots of the NFL, and the Boston Bruins are run like... the Cleveland Browns let's say.

Al Trautwig

07-25-2006, 03:33 PM

Like the Gary Glitter song that is played after most goals relating to people who think we are boring....

Wah-Wah-Wah-Wah-Wah-Wah-Wah WAH!!!!!

Let me ask where was Boston's 45+ goal scorer last year? Where was any other teams 15 game winning streak to win the division on the last day of the year, coming back 3-1 (was it?) in the third period. I don't remember correctly because i must have passed out due to sheer boredom.

Best Thread Ever, Keep it going!

Al Trautwig

08-03-2006, 09:27 PM

I believe it all stems back to 1995. 1994 was a great year, and we played the role of the foil to that NYR team that won the whole thing. As far as I remember those were easily the two best teams that year and the hockey was intense, exciting, nail biting and most of all dramatic. Easily the best series of the past 15 years IMO.

But in 1995, it all changed. Why? because leading up to that particular SCF, most hockey writers were basically ready to watch the Red Wing parade the cup around Detroit. 4 game sweep, Fedorov laying the devils to waste, Stevie Y quenching his SC thirst. It was as good as done in the eyes of the media. What happened was unexpected. New Jersey wasn't laying down. Not only that, they were taking the play to Detroit. Lemieux, Richer, Mac, Broten, Rolston, Guerin and the forwards were making things happen, causing chaos in the Detroit end. Stevens, Dano, Nieds, Driver and the rest of the corps on defense were stifling Detroit at every pass, slowly squeezing the life out of a beleaguered Red Wing team game by game. And there was this kid named Marty in the pipes that history has shown is pretty decent.

Now, a real journalist who had integrity and respect for his profession would have pled Mea Culpa to completely misreading the finals and given the Devil their due. But these were special men. Men of fortitude and guile, who would never readily admit to the fact that they a.) Weren't very astute to the game of hockey and b.) had a major market complex that rendered teams from the fringe of the major metropolis's as inferior. So they needed a reason to explain their mishap, or even better, an excuse.

That 1995 roster was filled with winners and young talent. Pepe and Richer came from Montreal, they knew what it took. Scott Stevens, well cmon. His eyes could bore a hole through your skull if you crossed him. Niedemayer was top class. Driver was savvy. Dano was nails, balls, guts and heart in one convenient toothless package. Albie was solid and Chambers just so happened to have a rocket from the point. The offense was no slouch. Broten was part of USA 80, nuff said. Mac was the Devil who started the push to glory back in the 80's. Guerin was a superstar waiting to happen. up and down the roster that team was fantastic.

Detroit was outplayed in every facet. It wasn't just some style of forechecking that led to a sweep. It was a team that wouldn't be denied. Fresh off the lessons of that heartbreaking spring a year back. There was one goal, one destination, one summit to reach and they did it by chewing Detroit up and spitting them out.

People will always want to come up with something to explain what they truly can't comprehend. So the trap became the be all, end all of NJ's success. It is still used to this day to explain 1995 and beyond, and that is the saddest thing of all. Because while pundits stood on their soap boxes and screamed to the masses of the great evil in East Rutherford that was ruining hockey, they missed some of the best drama the game had ever seen. They have missed young stars assert themselves into the Devils lineup and build their own history. And mostly they missed some great throwback players ply their trade, sacrificing fame and money for glory and honor.

These are the principles our team is built on. Heart, Character, Loyalty. It started with Scotty, Dano and Marty and trickled down to our new nucleus of Devils players. A torch is passed to Elias now, who will guide us down the unforeseen path. Hopefully the pundits and other teams fans will stop for a second and see and appreciate the light.

Peace.

A_Mack17

08-04-2006, 12:08 AM

thanks for that NoHockeyLately! nice little read:clap:

AboveTheArcticCircle

08-04-2006, 12:59 AM

Great, the Devils are boring. Hasn't this been true for years now? Leave it alone. They win and that's all that matters, right?

KaptainKourage*

08-13-2006, 09:04 PM

New Jersey Devils are boring.
New Jersey Devils wins Stanley Cup.

Chariot

08-20-2006, 12:36 AM

I thought the Devils were far from Boring last year

Coldshot

08-20-2006, 01:34 AM

I just love how those people flamed the Rangers for no reason back when they were losing.

Just wait, crow will be eaten.

shmadz

08-20-2006, 01:35 AM

Boring? far from it! I find the soap opera going on with the cap issues the most exciting thing going on this off season. I can't wait to see how it all shakes down... Of course once the season starts I will probably lose interest. :sarcasm:

AfroThunder396

08-20-2006, 11:17 AM

I just love how those people flamed the Rangers for no reason back when they were losing.

Just wait, crow will be eaten.
When the Rangers win a playoff game in the next decade, you'll know where to find us. :sarcasm:

Coldshot

08-20-2006, 12:41 PM

When the Rangers win a playoff game in the next decade, you'll know where to find us. :sarcasm:

The Devils run as far as I'm concerned was as good as done when Stevens suffered that concussion in 04.

I'm not worrying about them winning cups anytime soon, so when you win another cup, I'll eat my crow.

I see the Rangers winning quite a bit with the farm system they've built up. Something Lou has forgotten how to do. They used to have the best farm system in the NHL, now it's a facsimile of what it used to be.

The tables have turned, to an extent.

MissionHockey

08-20-2006, 12:46 PM

The Devils run as far as I'm concerned was as good as done when Stevens suffered that concussion in 04.

I'm not worrying about them winning cups anytime soon, so when you win another cup, I'll eat my crow.

I see the Rangers winning quite a bit with the farm system they've built up. Something Lou has forgotten how to do. They used to have the best farm system in the NHL, now it's a facsimile of what it used to be.

The tables have turned, to an extent.

Please, the team revolves around Jagr. Jagr is what, 34? He won't be at the top of his game too much longer and you can't say that you have a player in your system that can fill his role. The Rangers had a nice season, but I'm not at all impressed.

Coldshot

08-20-2006, 01:36 PM

Please, the team revolves around Jagr. Jagr is what, 34? He won't be at the top of his game too much longer and you can't say that you have a player in your system that can fill his role. The Rangers had a nice season, but I'm not at all impressed.

That's fine. I don't think they're going to win one with Jagr, Jagr is not that kind of player that takes a team over the top in the playoffs by himself. We don't have a player in the system that fills his role, but we have one of the deepest farm system defenses in the NHL, IF NOT THE DEEPEST. Staal, Sanguinetti, Sauer, Baranka as the future top 4, With Fedor Tyutin already in the NHL ranks and coming along VERY WELL. We have a franchise goaltender at the NHL level, and ANOTHER Franchise goaltender who is developing that WILL get us that key offensive piece and then some when the time comes to trade one of the two.

Face it, the Rangers are way ahead of the schedule in the rebuilding process, and they can only go up from here. This team is going to win, and win a lot in the future.

MissionHockey

08-20-2006, 02:44 PM

That's fine. I don't think they're going to win one with Jagr, Jagr is not that kind of player that takes a team over the top in the playoffs by himself. We don't have a player in the system that fills his role, but we have one of the deepest farm system defenses in the NHL, IF NOT THE DEEPEST. Staal, Sanguinetti, Sauer, Baranka as the future top 4, With Fedor Tyutin already in the NHL ranks and coming along VERY WELL. We have a franchise goaltender at the NHL level, and ANOTHER Franchise goaltender who is developing that WILL get us that key offensive piece and then some when the time comes to trade one of the two.

Face it, the Rangers are way ahead of the schedule in the rebuilding process, and they can only go up from here. This team is going to win, and win a lot in the future.

Good luck with that. We had the same problem with Ahonen and Buffalo, Anahiem and San Jose could tell you how hard it is to get decent value for your goalie. The Rangers have a nice farm, but nothing about them screams contender to me. I'd put money that the Devils win a Cup before the Rangers get to the finals again.

borrachon

08-20-2006, 08:32 PM

The Devils run as far as I'm concerned was as good as done when Stevens suffered that concussion in 04.

I'm not worrying about them winning cups anytime soon, so when you win another cup, I'll eat my crow.

I see the Rangers winning quite a bit with the farm system they've built up. Something Lou has forgotten how to do. They used to have the best farm system in the NHL, now it's a facsimile of what it used to be.

The tables have turned, to an extent.

Well maybe if the Devils weren't so worried about winning cups they would have had more than one <20 pick in the last 10 drafts (Parise at 17, even then they had to trade up), compared to the 9 the Rangers have had. I'm not at all worried about the Devils farm.

burnlikestars

08-20-2006, 08:59 PM

wow, the annual Boring Devils thread hits the boards before the season even starts, a new record.

AfroThunder396

08-20-2006, 09:17 PM

The Devils run as far as I'm concerned was as good as done when Stevens suffered that concussion in 04.
Really? Well that was when we had niether Stevens or Niedermayer. And we had niether this year too. The exact same situation. But the Devils won the division championship and lost to the Stanley Cup champions. Coincidence? Maybe. But we definately got some help when the Rangers choked and failed to win the division 5 chances in a row.

I'm not worrying about them winning cups anytime soon, so when you win another cup, I'll eat my crow.
ALL of our core players are under 30 (except one). And he's still gonna be here for 5 years. So the Devils are definately contenders, if not favorites to win the cup those next few years.

I see the Rangers winning quite a bit with the farm system they've built up. Something Lou has forgotten how to do. They used to have the best farm system in the NHL, now it's a facsimile of what it used to be.
The one thing Lou hasn't forgot to do is win. Which is more than we can say about just about every other team in the Atlantic. At least now we can have a challenge when playing the Penguins, with Malkin comming over here.

The tables have turned, to an extent.
If you want to think so, you go right ahead.

JerryGigantic

08-21-2006, 12:34 AM

I'm not worrying about them winning cups anytime soon, so when you win another cup, I'll eat my crow.

I see the Rangers winning quite a bit with the farm system they've built up. Something Lou has forgotten how to do. They used to have the best farm system in the NHL, now it's a facsimile of what it used to be.

The tables have turned, to an extent.

DEL-LUSIONAL. Ranger fans crack me up as they cling to their fantasy world where that team is somehow contending for cups when they haven't won their own division, nor even a single playoff game in a dozen years. (Whereas the Devils or Flyers seem to be there, year in year out... Hmmm.)

And Jagr is one more failed, Arod-style sucker punch from the DL, and without him that team is bottom 5 in the league. I am afraid of no one else in that line-up, not even a little.

And being the utter disgrace they have been for the last decade-plus, certainly they have amassed many, many high draft picks, and on the HF boards draft picks = Stanley Cups, so congrats -- you are an imaginary cup winner!

Bottom line, I'll take Lou over Sather and the Dolans any day of the week, and trust him to continue constructing the better team via core players, the draft and free agency -- where he didn't need top picks (just higher intelligence) to grab players like Rafalski, Gionta, etc. etc., who trounce their counterparts in the blue skirts.

Start seasoning your crow now... Mmmmmm. Tasty crow coming right up!