Top 10 most likely to make the team next year

1. Tallackson
2. Ryznar
3. Greene
4. Oduya
5. Mogilny
6. Foster
7. Bergfors
8. Zajac
9. Mottau
10. Harant

Had to move Greene and Oduya up because of the recent news regarding Matvichuk. Oduya would only make it as a 7th defenseman though. It was tough to decide where Foster would go. Maybe he'll make it if he's healthy because he's been in the minors for so many years (although injured) as opposed to Bergfors and Zajac who are better, but have less experience. I wasnt really sure about Mottau or Harant either, but I think Mottau is more offensive so I put him ahead of Harant. Thoughts?

1. Tallackson
2. Ryznar
3. Greene
4. Oduya
5. Mogilny
6. Foster
7. Bergfors
8. Zajac
9. Mottau
10. Harant

Had to move Greene and Oduya up because of the recent news regarding Matvichuk. Oduya would only make it as a 7th defenseman though. It was tough to decide where Foster would go. Maybe he'll make it if he's healthy because he's been in the minors for so many years (although injured) as opposed to Bergfors and Zajac who are better, but have less experience. I wasnt really sure about Mottau or Harant either, but I think Mottau is more offensive so I put him ahead of Harant. Thoughts?
I would move bergfors up. Otherwise, i like it.

I would move bergfors up. Otherwise, i like it.

Yea I was just thinking that. Should go ahead of Foster, and possibly Mogilny. Would put him ahead of Oduya but unless we sign somone else he's our best bet as a 7th D with Matvichuk out.

If we are talking in terms of most likely then put me down for Mogilny at #1. There is no way to avoid the cap hit so if healthy he will be on the opening night lineup. Greene should also move up to #2.

Mogilny
Greene
Tallackson
Bergfors
Oduya

What is the fascination with Ryznar? I will admit that I only saw him when he was up with the big club, but he was no great shakes as far as I can see. I was much more impressed with Tallackson (obviously), but I don't see Ryznar as fulfilling some kind of need on this team. If Mogilny can't play, I say bring up Bergy and let him play on the second line. I think Tallackson fits in nicely to the 4th line right now.

Elias-Gomez-Gionta
Mogilny-Parise-Langs
Pando-Madden-Brylin
Rasmussen-Rupp-Tallackson

Extra: Janssen

Ryznar is good defensively and he's great along the boards and in cycling the puck. Perfect for a 4th line role.

I think Voros should be on that list.

Using Tallackson on the 4th line is sorta a waste, unless that line gets 10+ minutes a game. He should be playing more. I think putting him on the third line RW would be best. He would get ice time and would add some offense to that line.

Ryznar is good defensively and he's great along the boards and in cycling the puck. Perfect for a 4th line role.

I think Voros should be on that list.

Using Tallackson on the 4th line is sorta a waste, unless that line gets 10+ minutes a game. He should be playing more. I think putting him on the third line RW would be best. He would get ice time and would add some offense to that line.

Well I think our most glaring weakness vs. Carolina was the lack of a 4th line. Janssen is a good energy guy, but has no hockey skill whatsoever. Rasmussen is nothing special offensively either. The lack of O kept that line from playing more than 3 minutes a game which goes against everything that Lou and Co. strive for and preach, 4 lines rolling one after another. I actually also forgot about Marshall so if we go with something like

Tallackson-Rupp-Marshall

That is a line that can hit and put the puck in the net.

We have enough firepower on the top 2 lines if Mogs can fill the bill and that will allow the 4th liners to play 10 minutes per night, which I agree they need to do.

Well I think our most glaring weakness vs. Carolina was the lack of a 4th line. Janssen is a good energy guy, but has no hockey skill whatsoever. Rasmussen is nothing special offensively either. The lack of O kept that line from playing more than 3 minutes a game which goes against everything that Lou and Co. strive for and preach, 4 lines rolling one after another. I actually also forgot about Marshall so if we go with something like

Tallackson-Rupp-Marshall

That is a line that can hit and put the puck in the net.

We have enough firepower on the top 2 lines if Mogs can fill the bill and that will allow the 4th liners to play 10 minutes per night, which I agree they need to do.

I think it was the lack of D that held that line to 6-7 minutes a game, imo. Other fourth lines would routinely get the puck down low and our fourth line couldn'e get it out. Personally, I don't really care about our fourth line scoring a couple more goals. Just that they can play well defensively and keep the puck pinned in the other teams zone.

Ryznar - Rupp - Rasmussen (maybe he can play RW?)

Would be good, imo. Rasmussen can focus on hitting more since he doesn't have as much responsibility. I think that would be a good cycling line, and would keep the puck in the other teams zone. The set-up you listed is pretty good, though. If the cap allows it, moving Marshall down to the 4th would be good. I just hope some young guys gets a shot.

Eh, it would sorta be nice to carry 23 players, so we could rotate guys in and out. But the cap really won't allow for that.

I think it was the lack of D that held that line to 6-7 minutes a game, imo. Other fourth lines would routinely get the puck down low and our fourth line couldn'e get it out. Personally, I don't really care about our fourth line scoring a couple more goals. Just that they can play well defensively and keep the puck pinned in the other teams zone.

I agree, since you can't change lines after an icing we need a forth line that can figure out how to get the puck out of the zone. There were times where they iced the puck so many times it seemed like the game would end before these guys were finally able to get the hell off the ice.

Nonetheless, they are a lovable bunch. They flat out terrorized the Rangers at times in the playoffs, to the point that they were immediately passing the puck to avoid get walloped. Hitting has replaced cluching and grabbing in the new NHL. And Cam seems to draw a penalty almost immediately after he hits the ice.

[QUOTE=Ogie Oglethorpe;6266612]If we are talking in terms of most likely then put me down for Mogilny at #1. There is no way to avoid the cap hit so if healthy he will be on the opening night lineup. Greene should also move up to #2.

Mogilny
Greene
Tallackson
Bergfors
Oduya

What is the fascination with Ryznar? I will admit that I only saw him when he was up with the big club, but he was no great shakes as far as I can see. I was much more impressed with Tallackson (obviously), but I don't see Ryznar as fulfilling some kind of need on this team. If Mogilny can't play, I say bring up Bergy and let him play on the second line. I think Tallackson fits in nicely to the 4th line right now.

Mottau has some nhl experience. I see him winning a job early on unless harant/oduya have great camps. We have no idea how these guys will make out. Especially Greene. I also dont see the fascination with ryzner. I'd like to see tallackson put up some decent numbers in the farm system before he's annointed.

Almo
Mottau
Bergey
Foster (possible 4th line center) like Dom Moore last year.

Mottau!?!?

He's worthless. If he's on your defense it makes it instantly worse.

I highly doubt he gets a game in.

I also dont see the fascination with ryzner. I'd like to see tallackson put up some decent numbers in the farm system before he's annointed.Jason Ryznar played well on the fourth line with the Devils before being sent down when Jason Wiemer was acquired.

At this point I'd say:

Mogilny
Greene (almost garunteed with Matvichuk being injured)
Tallackson
Bergfors
Foster

Are you people on Crack!?!?

How Foster made any of the lists let alone half way up on some of them boggles my mind. The guy still has yet to go a season in the minors without getting injured, and when he has been healthy he has been far from stellar.

And as far as the potential fourth line goes it needs some skill of some sort. Have you seen Ryznar skate? He will be in Lowell this year gauranteed.

Voros not making the list is a travesty, the guy fights, hits, scores...more than I can say for everyones golden boy Tallackson.

Voros not making the list is a travesty, the guy fights, hits, scores...

I mostly agree, but I think, with the game Voros plays, he needs to bulk up more before he can see NHL action.

Using Tallackson on the 4th line is sorta a waste, unless that line gets 10+ minutes a game. He should be playing more. I think putting him on the third line RW would be best. He would get ice time and would add some offense to that line.

yea i agree with u there id like to see him with madden and pando

Mottau!?!?

He's worthless. If he's on your defense it makes it instantly worse.

I highly doubt he gets a game in.

Why do you come here and constantly post inflammatory messages.....Just like on the Justin Papineau thread "Paps is garbage".

Can't you come up with a slightly more diplomatic approach? Can't you see how much of an A-Hole you are :dunno:

You comments have become so expected and usual that you are like the town idiot and no one even responds anymore.

You comments have become so expected and usual that you are like the town idiot and no one even responds anymore.

The town idiot of Mensatown would be smart by most standards though.

Why do you come here and constantly and post inflammatory messages.....Just like on the Justin Papineau thread "Paps is garbage".

Can't you come up with a slightly more diplomatic approach? Can't you see how much of an A-Hole you are :dunno:

You comments have become so expected and usual that you are like the town idiot and no one even responds anymore.

First off, if you even WATCHED Paps play when he was in the Islander organization, you'd know he's trash. Islanders fans have said it enough times.

Hard to stomach for you? I guess so!!!

Second off, Mottau is in the same boat. He's just for decent AHL depth and nothing more.

I'm not bashing superstars here. I'm saying that it's highly unlikely that they will ever contribute more than having their name on a jersey for a pre-season game and most likely nothing more.

I saw Mottau play for a long time and know what type of a player he is -- one that you do NOT need on an NHL team. Sometimes I'm suprised he has even stuck on the AHL level for so long...

He's 28 years old and an EXTREME defensive liability. His defense makes Ozo look like an effin' Norris candidate at this point.

Why do you feel the need to act like such a *****, though, and sit there and flame me? I guess it is easy to talk **** on people from behind a computer screen, though, eh?! ;)

Also, the funny thing is, I don't get "praise" when I talk about how highly I feel of a player such as a guy like Andy Greene whom I wanted the Rangers to sign VERY badly. I think the guy is going to be a fairly solid NHL player!

Same with Ryznar (even if he doesn't have that much upside).

I only get bashed if I give a dissenting opinion or something remotely negative, though. Guess it isn't a two-way street here in Devil Land.

How Foster made any of the lists let alone half way up on some of them boggles my mind. The guy still has yet to go a season in the minors without getting injured, and when he has been healthy he has been far from stellar.


Foster was one of the last cuts in training camp last season. If he stays healthy for a good length of time, it isn't completely unreasonable for him to get a call up or two if the Devils need a center.

Also, the funny thing is, I don't get "praise" when I talk about how highly I feel of a player such as a guy like Andy Greene whom I wanted the Rangers to sign VERY badly. I think the guy is going to be a fairly solid NHL player!

Same with Ryznar (even if he doesn't have that much upside).

I only get bashed if I give a dissenting opinion or something remotely negative, though. Guess it isn't a two-way street here in Devil Land.


Funny that you didn't say anything in this thread until you saw a chance to bash a player. It isn't a "dissenting opinion" or something "remotely negative" that gets under our skin. It just seems as though you pounce on anyone that overrates someone in the Devils system and use it to trash the player over and over. Most of us saw Papineau as a good AHL addition, but you keep posting about how he will never be an NHL player and how that makes him garbage. Don't pretend to be impartial.

Are you gonna bring Tuomas Pihlman back? I thought he showed decent skating and technique in game i saw.

Are you people on Crack!?!?

How Foster made any of the lists let alone half way up on some of them boggles my mind. The guy still has yet to go a season in the minors without getting injured, and when he has been healthy he has been far from stellar.I tend to agree with you on Foster. He hasn't played a full season going back to age 17.

And as far as the potential fourth line goes it needs some skill of some sort. Have you seen Ryznar skate? He will be in Lowell this year gauranteed.I have seen Ryznar skate with the New Jersey Devils, and he did a pretty good job on the fourth line for eight games. He cycled the puck well and created the occasional scoring chance.

Voros not making the list is a travesty, the guy fights, hits, scores...more than I can say for everyones golden boy Tallackson.Yeah, except get the puck past the goalie.

First off, if you even WATCHED Paps play when he was in the Islander organization, you'd know he's trash. Islanders fans have said it enough times.
Hard to stomach for you? I guess so!!!

Second off, Mottau is in the same boat. He's just for decent AHL depth and nothing more.


Go back and read my post to you..................I never commented on the players or their ability.

My problem is your approach on the DEVILS board.

If I took every opportunity to tell what I really I believe about Huge Bust Jessiman on the RANGER board your fans would look at me the same way I look at you.

If I took every opportunity to point out all the Career AHLers on your top 20 prospect list, which there are many, on the Ranger Board people would be sick of hearing from me....Much like I am sick of hearing from you.

If you guys want to ***** at each other, take it to PM.

Otherwise, let's keep this thread on topic.

I think Ryznar might have the best chance, especially since Wiemer is out.

The lines might look alot like this to begin the year:

Parise-Gomez-Gionta
Elias-Brylin-Langenbrunner
Pandolfo-Madden-Marshall/Tallackson
Ryznar-Rupp-Janssen/Marshall

The only real open spot is the 4th line LW, which Ryznar can fill. I don't want to see Tallackson playing 3 minutes a game on the 4th line. If he makes the team, it should be at least on the 3rd line RW spot.

If we have cap problems and need to dump someone like Brylin, it could be:

Bergfors/Parise-Gomez-Gionta
Elias-Parise/Zajac-Langenbrunner
Pandolfo-Madden-Marshall/Tallackson
Ryznar-Rupp-Janssen/Marshall

I think Ryznar might have the best chance, especially since Wiemer is out.

The lines might look alot like this to begin the year:

Parise-Gomez-Gionta
Elias-Brylin-Langenbrunner
Pandolfo-Madden-Marshall/Tallackson
Ryznar-Rupp-Janssen/Marshall

The only real open spot is the 4th line LW, which Ryznar can fill. I don't want to see Tallackson playing 3 minutes a game on the 4th line. If he makes the team, it should be at least on the 3rd line RW spot.

If we have cap problems and need to dump someone like Brylin, it could be:

Bergfors/Parise-Gomez-Gionta
Elias-Parise/Zajac-Langenbrunner
Pandolfo-Madden-Marshall/Tallackson
Ryznar-Rupp-Janssen/Marshall
I think the 4th line is going to look a lot different than last year as has been posted here many times. A 4th line that plays less than 10 minutes per match is a waste in my opinion. If Rupp is going to be on there with Ryzner or Janssen, I propose putting somebody with skill on that line to make the line a legit scoring threat for a few shifts every night. Bergy probably needs to stay down in Lowell for another season. But putting somebody with great speed and some skill with two big checkers would probably be enough to justify 10 minutes plus of ice time each game. Vrana maybe?

Why do they need a scoring threat? I just don't see why people are so interested in getting an extra five or six goals from this line. The fourth line doesn't have to be a scoring threat. What it needs to do is keep the puck in oppositions zone and wear down the other team while giving our guys a rest. Ryznar is very good along the boards and at cycling the puck, so he is a good fit for this role.

Ryznar - Rupp - Marshall/Janssen would be a very good 4th line imo.

Why do they need a scoring threat? I just don't see why people are so interested in getting an extra five or six goals from this line. The fourth line doesn't have to be a scoring threat. What it needs to do is keep the puck in oppositions zone and wear down the other team while giving our guys a rest. Ryznar is very good along the boards and at cycling the puck, so he is a good fit for this role.

Ryznar - Rupp - Marshall/Janssen would be a very good 4th line imo.
Because the Devils are going to be behind at different times this season. Coaches generally shorten the bench in these situations, but if the line has a legitimate scoring threat, it will be used more than a simple grinding line. If the Devils are tied or ahead, roll all the lines, but God forbid we are ever behind and have to put out a line with three grinders (one of which is Janssen who doesn't have the skill to even get into scoring position let alone fire the puck on net). The Crash Line had 2 guys who could score 20+ goals on it and Mike Peluso -- damn good line. Madden played on the 4th line in 2000-2001 and scored 23 goals. Rasmussen had only 10 points last year. Marshall kicked in 25, but how many came from the 4th line? Cam, Ryzner and Wiemer combined for 1 point in 74 games! That's why they only played about 5 minutes per match.

No, the reason Wiemer and Janssen only played five minutes per game was because they aren't responsible in their own end and are a liability when they're on the ice. That said, I would like to see Cam cycled in and out of the lineup this season.

The Devils don't have the personnel to make the 4th line a scoring threat. We're not the Buffalo Sabres. Putting Petr Vrana on the 4th line wouldn't be the difference between rolling all four lines late in games or not. The best we could do is to put guys who are apt at cycling the puck in the other teams zone and can contribute mildly. Ryznar - Rupp - Marshall would be a very good fourth line, imo. Solid physically, responsible defensively, and good at forechecking. They could be on the ice for 10+ minutes a game and keep our other lines refreshed. This, along with brutalizing the opponent physically, should be the role of the Devils fourth line.

No, the reason Wiemer and Janssen only played five minutes per game was because they aren't responsible in their own end and are a liability when they're on the ice. That said, I would like to see Cam cycled in and out of the lineup this season.

The Devils don't have the personnel to make the 4th line a scoring threat. We're not the Buffalo Sabres. Putting Petr Vrana on the 4th line wouldn't be the difference between rolling all four lines late in games or not. The best we could do is to put guys who are apt at cycling the puck in the other teams zone and can contribute mildly. Ryznar - Rupp - Marshall would be a very good fourth line, imo. Solid physically, responsible defensively, and good at forechecking. They could be on the ice for 10+ minutes a game and keep our other lines refreshed. This, along with brutalizing the opponent physically, should be the role of the Devils fourth line.

I think Ryznar-Rupp-Marshall is the best idea for the 4th line yet, with Tallackson on the RW on the 3rd line.

elias-gomez-gionta
almo-parise-lagenbrunner
brylin-madden-tallackson
pandolfo-rupp-marshall

I think this how the line up is going to look come the begining ofthe season if no one gets traded

elias-gomez-gionta
almo-parise-lagenbrunner
brylin-madden-tallackson
pandolfo-rupp-marshall

I think this how the line up is going to look come the begining ofthe season if no one gets traded
Never separate the two. Never.

elias-gomez-gionta
almo-parise-lagenbrunner
brylin-madden-tallackson
pandolfo-rupp-marshall

I think this how the line up is going to look come the begining ofthe season if no one gets traded
So, we're dumping Rafalski then?

Bergfors-Gomez-Gionta
Elias-Parise-Mogilny
Pandolfo-Madden-Langenbrunner
Snakes-Ona-Plane

Bergfors-Gomez-Gionta
Elias-Parise-Mogilny
Pandolfo-Madden-Langenbrunner
Snakes-Ona-Plane
Why would you want them on the team? They still need at least 3 seasons to develop. And I here they really bite.

Bergfors-Gomez-Gionta
Elias-Parise-Mogilny
Pandolfo-Madden-Langenbrunner
Snakes-Ona-Plane
So what you are saying is we can count on the 4th line to completely flop and an ensuing onslought of profanity to the tune of, "Mmmmm! Pass me the puck, Mutha *****! Pass me the ****** puck!"

Bergfors-Gomez-Gionta
Elias-Parise-Mogilny
Pandolfo-Madden-Langenbrunner
Snakes-Ona-Plane
The fourth line on the Devils receiving that much hype might make Lou a little edgy.
}:-)>
Yet, despite how poorly positioned and badly executed they play, they are still better than the fourth line combos of Ac-Cep-Ted or Be-Er-Fest.

Or Talla-dega-nights

1. Tallackson
2. Ryznar
3. Greene
4. Oduya
5. Mogilny
6. Foster
7. Bergfors
8. Zajac
9. Mottau
10. Harant

Had to move Greene and Oduya up because of the recent news regarding Matvichuk. Oduya would only make it as a 7th defenseman though. It was tough to decide where Foster would go. Maybe he'll make it if he's healthy because he's been in the minors for so many years (although injured) as opposed to Bergfors and Zajac who are better, but have less experience. I wasnt really sure about Mottau or Harant either, but I think Mottau is more offensive so I put him ahead of Harant. Thoughts?


So let me get this right. The first guy on your list most likely to make the team is an unproductive AHL player who never lived up to his draft position?

So let me get this right. The first guy on your list most likely to make the team is an unproductive AHL player who never lived up to his draft position?

i meant most likely minor leaguer to make the team. and yes hes at the top because he as alot of potential and is the most nhl ready forward prospect

So let me get this right. The first guy on your list most likely to make the team is an unproductive AHL player who never lived up to his draft position?

Unproductive AHL player...Um, *** are you talking about?

Unproductive AHL player...Um, *** are you talking about?
Didn't he have the best ppg rating on the team with his callups to NJ?
Close to it at least.

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Originally Posted by OFSY34
Are you people on Crack!?!?

How Foster made any of the lists let alone half way up on some of them boggles my mind. The guy still has yet to go a season in the minors without getting injured, and when he has been healthy he has been far from stellar.

I tend to agree with you on Foster. He hasn't played a full season going back to age 17.


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Originally Posted by OFSY34
And as far as the potential fourth line goes it needs some skill of some sort. Have you seen Ryznar skate? He will be in Lowell this year gauranteed.

I have seen Ryznar skate with the New Jersey Devils, and he did a pretty good job on the fourth line for eight games. He cycled the puck well and created the occasional scoring chance.


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Originally Posted by OFSY34
Voros not making the list is a travesty, the guy fights, hits, scores...more than I can say for everyones golden boy Tallackson.

Yeah, except get the puck past the goalie.

Am I wrong? You might want to check last years goal totals.....Tallackson had fewer goals than Voros.

Am I wrong? You might want to check last years goal totals.....Tallackson had fewer goals than Voros but good try.
Tallackson 60gp 14g 23a .233gpg
Voros 73gp 16g 14a .219gpg

Tallackson played less games because he was in NJ...he also scored one NHL goal against Ottawa so I'll give him the edge.

Am I wrong? You might want to check last years goal totals.....Tallackson had fewer goals than Voros but good try.

Tallackson scored 37 points in 60 games (projected to 50 points over a full season) in his rookie season on a Rats team devoid of offense. It's obvious that he can skate very well for his size and that he is nifty with the puck and has a pretty good shot. I thought he played well for the Rats, and he was pretty impressive in his call-up with the Devils.

Both Tallackson and Voros have their pros. I like Voros' physicality and his willingless to take the puck to the net. He's not as skilled offensively as Tallackson, however.