Devils' Wiemer out 6 months

Star Ledger article (http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1155271515301160.xml&coll=1)

Lamoriello revealed yesterday that veteran left winger Jason Wiemer underwent reconstructive knee surgery a week ago and will be sidelined for six months. Consequently, Wiemer's $950,000 salary won't count against the cap...

I guess this helps the team with the cap and all, but I love Wiemer. I wish him a speedy recovery. He is one of my favorite players.

I didn't think kool-aid affected the knees :sarcasm:

Hope he gets better though. With a return in February, I wonder if he'll be moved at all.

Rich Chere has the same story

http://www.nj.com/devils/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1155271515301160.xml&coll=1

Why couldn't this have happened to Mogilny instead of Wiemer? Anyone have Tonya Harding's phone number? ;) Why me? Why not Alex? :banghead:

BTW, Boston let David Tanabe go. Do you think he would be a good, and cheap! pick up to bolster our defense? He was once so very promising. Does he have any "potential" left?

Great job on the new prospects listings and article, Jared!!!

I hate to propose this, but how about John Madden, Sergei Brylin, and Vladimir Malakhov to LA for Dustin Brown? Would LA part with Brown? I hate to trade both Madden and Brylin, two blood-and-guts players. But better to trade them while they still have full-market value. One or two more years and we may get nothing for them. Also, it takes us well below the cap. Just a thought.

Keep the faith! They are playing football, so you know that hockey camps are not too far behind.

Adios...:D

Rich Chere has the same story

http://www.nj.com/devils/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1155271515301160.xml&coll=1

Of course because my link IS the link to Rich Chere's article...:banghead: :help:

What was he waiting for?

Of course because my link IS the link to Rich Chere's article...:banghead: :help:

:biglaugh: I was really confused by that post too...

According to the Post (granted its Neverson) but he claims weimer and Matvichuk might both be out for a stretch. Not the way I wanted to clear up cap space but it might help. Here's the link

http://www.nypost.com/sports/devils/devils_injuries_offer_cap_relief_devils_mark_evers on.htm

I don't know if this is good news or bad news. I was hoping Wiemer would be traded (I like him and all, but he makes too much money), but now it doesn't look like that will happen. I know we can replace his salary, but unless he misses the whole season we'll have to deal with his salary at some point this year.

And Matvichuk, well, if he will miss time that really is bad news. Again, I know we can replace his salary if he's out for awhile, but he is a very reliable (and quite cheap) defenceman and I'm not sure how we can replace his spot in the lineup.

I don't know if this is good news or bad news. I was hoping Wiemer would be traded (I like him and all, but he makes too much money), but now it doesn't look like that will happen. I know we can replace his salary, but unless he misses the whole season we'll have to deal with his salary at some point this year.

And Matvichuk, well, if he will miss time that really is bad news. Again, I know we can replace his salary if he's out for awhile, but he is a very reliable (and quite cheap) defenceman and I'm not sure how we can replace his spot in the lineup.

Its good news. Helps with our cap situation. And he should be back for the home stretch.

What was he waiting for?

That's a good question. If he'd have had it operated on right away he'd be halfway through his rehabilitation by now. The only reason to have it now instead of earlier is if i you wanted to skip a large part of the regular season, not count against the cap, and get paid for it.

That's a good question. If he'd have had it operated on right away he'd be halfway through his rehabilitation by now. The only reason to have it now instead of earlier is if i you wanted to skip a large part of the regular season, not count against the cap, and get paid for it.

LOUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!

Lou offered him his 950,000 + what's behind door # 2......

Wiemer took it...behind door # 2 was.....FREE SURGERY!!

Of course because my link IS the link to Rich Chere's article...:banghead: :help:

Sorry I thought you had the Post link

Lamoriello's reversal of his previous hard-line stance would allow him to have his full team practicing while he figures out a way to get the payroll under the $44 million salary cap before the regular season opener.

Gionta's agent, Steve Bartlett, wasn't sure whether the 27-year-old right wing would accept the invitation. Without a contract, he would have to purchase insurance against injury.

"That's something we'd have to talk about," Bartlett said. "We still have a month to go."

Lamoriello said that defenseman Vladimir Malakhov, who retired last season, will also be invited to training camp, but he has not yet received any indication that Malakhov would attend or plans to unretire. Malakhov's agent, Paul Theofanous did not return a telephone message left for him Thursday

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMzImZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY5NzQwNDkmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZU VFeXk2

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Please don't post about the Devils as you always look for the worst of everything.

Anyways, this is enough money to sign Hale and Martin and a Mogilny or Malakhov is enough to sign Gionta.

Lamoriello's reversal of his previous hard-line stance would allow him to have his full team practicing while he figures out a way to get the payroll under the $44 million salary cap before the regular season opener.

Gionta's agent, Steve Bartlett, wasn't sure whether the 27-year-old right wing would accept the invitation. Without a contract, he would have to purchase insurance against injury.

"That's something we'd have to talk about," Bartlett said. "We still have a month to go."



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Lamoriello said that defenseman Vladimir Malakhov, who retired last season, will also be invited to training camp, but he has not yet received any indication that Malakhov would attend or plans to unretire. Malakhov's agent, Paul Theofanous did not return a telephone message left for him Thursday


I don't see anything Negative here..........I think its all great news.

I think it is fairly obvious that plans are being devised to get Mogilny and Malakhov off the books on technicalities. Even one listed as a long term injury or found to to be in Breach of Contract will give the Devils ALL they need.

By Opening Night we can have 10 Million Freed up Cap space.

9.4 for the 3Ms and 950 for Weimer.........Simple, No problem.

I know the Nay Sayers hate the fact that this is most likely going to work out for Lou........But I have a strong feeling its going to.

I found this part of the article interesting:
Although they remain unsigned, Lamoriello said Gionta, Martin, Hale, Erik Rasmussen (unrestricted free agent) and Scott Clemmensen (unrestricted) would be allowed to attend training camp.

"If a player hasn't signed, they are invited to training camp," the GM said. "But it is our intention to get everyone signed."

I don't know if this is good news or bad news. I was hoping Wiemer would be traded (I like him and all, but he makes too much money), but now it doesn't look like that will happen. I know we can replace his salary, but unless he misses the whole season we'll have to deal with his salary at some point this year.I agree with you. Wiemer is a good player, but Erik Rasmussen could, and likely will, handle the 4th line LW duties at a much cheaper salary.

Of course because my link IS the link to Rich Chere's article...:banghead: :help:RangerBoy often gives good links to articles about the Devils. He was probably coming to the Devils' board to post the link, and he didn't know that Devils beat-writer Rich Chere is from The Star-Ledger. You shouldn't have been so insulted.

9.4 for the 3Ms and 950 for Weimer.........Simple, No problem.If no team wants Dan McGillis for nothing in terms of assets, he will almost definately be sent down to the Lowell Devils.

That's a good question. If he'd have had it operated on right away he'd be halfway through his rehabilitation by now. The only reason to have it now instead of earlier is if i you wanted to skip a large part of the regular season, not count against the cap, and get paid for it.I doubt that Jason Weimer prefers to not play hockey. He was probably trying to rehab the knee to avoid reconstructive surgery.

Presumably Malakhov will show up for camp or file his retirement papers and officially retire. If he doesn't do either of those things I will have to give up trying to make sense of this mess for my own sanity. Still, I wouldn't count on getting him off the books through breech of contract unless the CBA covers that contingency.

Nice, nice. Definitely helps out our cap situation big or small, but I do wish Weimer all the best.

Presumably Malakhov will show up for camp or file his retirement papers and officially retire. If he doesn't do either of those things I will have to give up trying to make sense of this mess for my own sanity. Still, I wouldn't count on getting him off the books through breech of contract unless the CBA covers that contingency.If he retires, he counts against the cap. The best thing that can happen is that Malakhov looks decent in exhibition games, and some team takes him and some high draft picks off of the Devils.

I think that Lou's plan is to have Malakhov come to camp and report to checking practice with Cam Janssen and Tim "Dr Hook" McCracken, Ross "Mad Dog" Madison, Sam "Small Print" Lyman, Clarence "Screaming Buffalo" Swamptown, Andre "Poodle" Lussier, Gilmore Tuttle and Ogie Ogilthorpe.

If he retires, he counts against the cap. The best thing that can happen is that Malakhov looks decent in exhibition games, and some team takes him and some high draft picks off of the Devils.

I think that Lou's plan is to have Malakhov come to camp and report to checking practice with Cam Janssen and Tim "Dr Hook" McCracken, Ross "Mad Dog" Madison, Sam "Small Print" Lyman, Clarence "Screaming Buffalo" Swamptown, Andre "Poodle" Lussier, Gilmore Tuttle and Ogie Ogilthorpe.

Hey, Lou already contacted me..I will be there to do whatever I have to for the team. I just hope I don't get deported to Canada, and subsequently have that country refuse to accept me!

I will then be a man without a country and an incorrectly spelled name.

Matvichuk was also put on the LTI list. There's another 1.5 mill. A few more broken kneecaps and he's under the cap without trading anyone.

If he retires, he counts against the cap. The best thing that can happen is that Malakhov looks decent in exhibition games, and some team takes him and some high draft picks off of the Devils.

I think that Lou's plan is to have Malakhov come to camp and report to checking practice with Cam Janssen and Tim "Dr Hook" McCracken, Ross "Mad Dog" Madison, Sam "Small Print" Lyman, Clarence "Screaming Buffalo" Swamptown, Andre "Poodle" Lussier, Gilmore Tuttle and Ogie Ogilthorpe.

How about Happy Gilmore too. He can try to stab him with his skate.

Why would Lou pick up this sack of sh**? Weimer is totally useless and we are paying 1mil for him? Lou I think you need to start going with Dano to AA meeting. This is just mind blowing.

They didn't sign him, he was picked up at the trade deadline. He did a great job on the 4th line this year with Cam Janssen and Erik Rassmussen.

Why would Lou pick up this sack of sh**? Weimer is totally useless and we are paying 1mil for him? Lou I think you need to start going with Dano to AA meeting. This is just mind blowing.
Considering he's been on the team for almost 6 months, maybe you should put down the bottle and get in line behind Lou and Dano.

I do like Weimer and he is a great character guy(remember when the Isles placed him on waivers and the team went into a terrible slump, most players said he was one of their core guys), but every litttle bit of money helps. Trimming the fat starts now.....

They didn't sign him, he was picked up at the trade deadline. He did a great job on the 4th line this year with Cam Janssen and Erik Rassmussen.

agreed....towards the end he seemed to put it all together. I think this year he would have started to play with more "devils discipline"

Nice, nice. Definitely helps out our cap situation big or small, but I do wish Weimer all the best.

The more money we can scratch off the books, whether is short term or long term, is a plus right now. Weimer was good on the 4th line with Janssen and Rass, but Rupp looks to be a perfect fit to slot in there as a replacement for Weimer.

The more money we can scratch off the books, whether is short term or long term, is a plus right now. Weimer was good on the 4th line with Janssen and Rass, but Rupp looks to be a perfect fit to slot in there as a replacement for Weimer.I think Rupp will be at center, and Rasmussen will move to left wing, which he is better suited to play.

The thing that these articles do not clarify is that even injured guys count towards the offseason cap figure. So while Weimer and Matvichuk's salaries would be replaceable on opening night. They would still be part of the $48.4 offseason limit. So Lou would still have to cut somebody to get Gionta, Hale and Martin under the offseason limit. It really does not help the situation he is currently in.

Lou has said that those without contracts are welcome to camp though. Perhaps he doesn't sign Hale, Martin, and Gionta until opening night? Unfortunately, that still leaves Rasmussen, Clemmenson, and Albelin unsigned. At least we don't have to deal with Kozlov or Langdon anymore

Man, I really feel bad for all those who elected to avoid arbitration. I wonder if they're having second thoughts now.

Lou has said that those without contracts are welcome to camp though. Perhaps he doesn't sign Hale, Martin, and Gionta until opening night? Unfortunately, that still leaves Rasmussen, Clemmenson, and Albelin unsigned. At least we don't have to deal with Kozlov or Langdon anymore

The only problem I can see with waiting to sign guys until opening night is convincing them to pay their own insurance during training camp. Because that money is not reimbursable.

Man, I really feel bad for all those who elected to avoid arbitration. I wonder if they're having second thoughts now.

For them, probably. But Lou really dodged a bullet with only Gomez filing for arbitration.

The only problem I can see with waiting to sign guys until opening night is convincing them to pay their own insurance during training camp. Because that money is not reimbursable.

Is there a way for the team to put up the money for the insurance, without it affecting the cap?

Is there a way for the team to put up the money for the insurance, without it affecting the cap?

Well according to the article Rangerboy posted....no.

Gionta's agent, Steve Bartlett, wasn't sure whether the 27-year-old right wing would accept the invitation. Without a contract, he would have to purchase insurance against injury.

It did not say the team would have to purchase the insurance ....which hints at the fact that it is not allowed.

I think Rupp will be at center, and Rasmussen will move to left wing, which he is better suited to play.

Why oh why would we want Rupp back? He plays with a not heart and plays likes he's 2 feet tall. Lets give a chance to someone who's hungry from the minors. Weimer and Rupp are a waste of a roster space.:banghead:

Why oh why would we want Rupp back? He plays with a not heart and plays likes he's 2 feet tall. Lets give a chance to someone who's hungry from the minors. Weimer and Rupp are a waste of a roster space.:banghead:
You mean the same waste of space who clinched the Stanley Cup for us in the 2003 season? :shakehead

Seriously, I don't know why everybody hates him. He's a great presence in the locker room, and good friends with Capt. Pat. He plays with a lot of heart.

You mean the same waste of space who clinched the Stanley Cup for us in the 2003 season? :shakehead

Seriously, I don't know why everybody hates him. He's a great presence in the locker room, and good friends with Capt. Pat. He plays with a lot of heart.
Not only that, he signed a two-way deal for the league minimum. If he's terrible he just goes to Lowell!

I think Lou should find some minor league goon, and if he can get Malakhov and Mogilny on the ice for even a minute during training camp, just let him take out their knees. Basically, Lou would be putting out a hit on the two Russians. He may want to contact the Russian mob or Tony Soprano. So it would look a little suspicious. Prove it, Gary Bettman! Not like we would be killing them. Just ending their hockey careers and saving a lot of money.

Ok, so this is tongue in cheek humor at its worst. Lou dug his own hole last off-season trying to "replace" Nieds and Elias. I will let him worry. I just watched the Jets and Giants play. I have enough to worry about for now. :banghead:

Things will work out. Lou always finds a way. It could be worse. Garth Snow could be our GM. ;)

Not only that, he signed a two-way deal for the league minimum. If he's terrible he just goes to Lowell!
And he will be. No question. He has shown signs of being able to play up to NHL level, but he doesn't have the skill to keep it up for multiple games.

You mean the same waste of space who clinched the Stanley Cup for us in the 2003 season? :shakehead


You're kidding right? Lets keep this bum cause he score 1 goal and has done ***** for the past few years. There's a reason why we trade him. Heart, he plays with heart? Have you watch any of his games? He floats around, doen't check anyone, Gio is 1/2 the size and 10x the man. Rah , Rah, Rah we have the 1 goal bum back. Oh yeah last time I remember we won 3-0 that game not a 2-1 in double overtime. I don't understand why anyone want this guy back or even Weimer. Sign Ras and lets see what a Rat would do in that line.

They didn't sign him, he was picked up at the trade deadline. He did a great job on the 4th line this year with Cam Janssen and Erik Rassmussen.

Wiemer can win draws, and can contribute on the scoreboard. Where as cam, fuggetaboutit. Rass is a decent player for the $$.

Wiemer can win draws, and can contribute on the scoreboard. Where as cam, fuggetaboutit. Rass is a decent player for the $$.

Cam's not a center, I wouldn't expect him to win draws. Cam's also not a scorer. His role is clear; he's a pure energy guy and enforcer. If someone on the other team is running the Devils and/or playing dirty, Cam will keep him honest and put a stop to that. If the Devils are playing flat, Cam gets on the ice, skates like a bat out of hell, lays out a few opposing players, and takes an easily saved shot to bust the Devils out of their funk. He was EXTREMELY effective in that role last season and I still think you need that kind of player in the New NHL(tm).

Some people are really ridiculous with Cam. I would like to see a rotation, but not having a 4th line wing who can pot a couple goals isn't going to kill our team. What Cam brings physically and emotionally more than makes up for his lack of skill.

Some people are really ridiculous with Cam. I would like to see a rotation, but not having a 4th line wing who can pot a couple goals isn't going to kill our team. What Cam brings physically and emotionally more than makes up for his lack of skill.No kidding. Late in 2003-04, New Jersey didn't really have an inforcer, and teams pushed the Devils around. Grant Marshall broke his hand fighting in the regular season finale against the Islander trying to prove otherwise.

Cam Janssen will fight virtually anyone in the NHL. He will also go out on the ice on his shifts and cleanly, much more often than not, hit anyone near him. He is controlled chaos on the ice. You need a guy like that in the lineup fairly regularly.

You need a guy like that in the lineup fairly regularly.
Especially in the Atlantic Division.

I LOVE Cam, and what he brings to the table, I just wish his defense was better. I have no problem with him not putting up points, but if he was more reliable defensively he could see a lot more ice time, since then the Devils wouldn't have to worry about him getting stuck out against a more offensive line.

Cam may get 4 minutes a game, but they are, without a doubt, my favorite 4 minutes of the game. He keeps everyone honest, will fight anyone, anytime, with a silly grin on his face and draws lot's o' penalties -- often within seconds of taking the ice -- from anyone stupid enough not to skate the other way. LOOOOOVE the kid, but he needs to turn his speed and strength into better positional hockey so he might contribute something toward the Devil's 2-way system instead of cruising around looking for someone to (cleanly) check into oblivion.

With regard to the thread, Weimer has gotton more grief and disrespect in these posts than I would have expected, as he is a gritty, chippy, Devil's style player, who shows heart and leadership, and plays an above average center (for a 4th liner) as he can win draws, cycle the puck, play a power game in front of the net, has a decent shot, etc., and has a mean streak that comes in very handy. I really like his game, and think $950K isn't far off from fair market value, as he is many miles ahead of Rupp. I'll miss him, but appreciate any help toward the salary cap woes.

All I look for in a fourth line is one that can play 7-10 minutes a night, one that can play decent D if they get hemmed in, and one that can carry the puck out of the defensive zone when they do retrieve it. Energy and scoring are all bonuses. There were a couple of times last year that our fourth line got trapped and were forced to ice the puck, forcing the 4th to 1st line matchup with a faceoff in front of Marty.

If Cam can do those things, and I'm sure he can, I want him in the lineup. I'd like to see him play about 50 games though, with Lowell callups taking the extra games.