Trade Proposal.....................NJ/TOR

Trade Proposal..........NJ/TOR

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To New Jersey: Matt Stajan, Jiri Tlusty, Jay Harrison, 1st in 08

To Toronto: Brian Gionta, Niklas Bergfors


How does that look?

Again, feel free to make counter proposals. They would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Trade Proposal..........NJ/TOR

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To New Jersey: Matt Stajan, Jiri Tlusty, Jay Harrison, 1st in 08

To Toronto: Brian Gionta, Niklas Bergfors


How does that look?

Again, feel free to make counter proposals. They would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers


Congratulations Toronto. Bergfors and Gionta.Two marvellous high skill players. I do not want to meet the two on the ice.

Trade Proposal..........NJ/TOR

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To New Jersey: Matt Stajan, Jiri Tlusty, Jay Harrison, 1st in 08

To Toronto: Brian Gionta, Niklas Bergfors

How does that look?

Again, feel free to make counter proposals. They would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

You can probably take Tlusty and Bergfors out of the equation. I mean, Tlusty just got drafted like 5 weeks ago.......I know JFJ traded Rask within a year of being drafted, but seriously, it's been 5 weeks.

Stajan and a first for Gionta isn't the worst proposal I've heard, but at this point I'm pretty sure Lou isn't shopping Gionta. He'll find another way to get under the cap.

I know it's fun to make proposals for guys like Gomez, Gionta, etc......but it's probably going to be really small moves that we're going to make.

Trade Proposal..........NJ/TOR

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here goes.......



To New Jersey: Matt Stajan, Jiri Tlusty, Jay Harrison, 1st in 08

To Toronto: Brian Gionta, Niklas Bergfors


How does that look?

Again, feel free to make counter proposals. They would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

:biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Trade Proposal..........NJ/TOR

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here goes.......



To New Jersey: Matt Stajan, Jiri Tlusty, Jay Harrison, 1st in 08

To Toronto: Brian Gionta, Niklas Bergfors


How does that look?

Again, feel free to make counter proposals. They would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

haha, no way are we giving up Bergfors. the 2008 draft will be weak so Im not interested in the 1st. I wouldnt take it if I was Lou and I dont think he will

Trade Proposal..........NJ/TOR

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here goes.......



To New Jersey: Matt Stajan, Jiri Tlusty, Jay Harrison, 1st in 08

To Toronto: Brian Gionta, Niklas Bergfors


How does that look?

Again, feel free to make counter proposals. They would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Are you joking?

There is no one in Toronto's organization I'd give Bergfors up for.

Trade Proposal..........NJ/TOR

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here goes.......



To New Jersey: Matt Stajan, Jiri Tlusty, Jay Harrison, 1st in 08

To Toronto: Brian Gionta, Niklas Bergfors


How does that look?

Again, feel free to make counter proposals. They would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers



It's not in my blood to flame a fellow PJ fan... so I'll just say no. My bet is both Gionta and Bergfors are almost untouchable. :)

Brutal trade. Come on.

My trade proposal involves solving Lou's problems. Best I can see, Lou needs a successor to Gionta if he is traded. That said, if I was Lou, I would do the following.

1) NO ONE will take Mogilny and McGillis in trade for what they make as each team would still be responsible for paying that money, which would essentially be throwing money down a black hole, regardless of the pick no owner would approve that. BUT, I do think that someone would claim them if they were to make half of what they do. So, I would drop Mogilny and McGillis down to the farm, and bring them back up. Thus, exposing them to reentry waivers. I'd bet that there is at least one team who would put in a claim on each of them at half their salary. This fress up 2.85 million.

2) Find a team willing to take John Madden for a pick. 3 million dollars for a top 6 Selke winner is high, but I imagine that Lou could find a home for him if he took a pick or prospect.

3) With Gionta, Hale and Martin to sign, the next thing I would do is to trade Gionta to Toronto for Darcy Tucker and Matt Stajan. This is far from ideal, but Tucker scored 60 points last season and only makes 1.5m. He would not be as good as Gionta on the first line RW but he will do a nice job of filling in. Stajan would take the 2nd line LW spot vacated by the dump of Madden. The offense is comparable and Stajan still has upside. The defensive skill is not as good but Stajan is very good defensively and his upside is comparable to Madden's.

This deal opens up between 1 and 2 million under the cap, while providing cheap and skilled replacements for the outgoing players. Basically, this deal gives the Devils good players while coming close to maintaining the skill level on the team. This cap space should be enough to get at least one of Hale or Martin signed, while the other's salary could be worked in with some tweaking.

What do you think?

My trade proposal involves solving Lou's problems. Best I can see, Lou needs a successor to Gionta if he is traded. That said, if I was Lou, I would do the following.

1) NO ONE will take Mogilny and McGillis in trade for what they make as each team would still be responsible for paying that money, which would essentially be throwing money down a black hole, regardless of the pick no owner would approve that. BUT, I do think that someone would claim them if they were to make half of what they do. So, I would drop Mogilny and McGillis down to the farm, and bring them back up. Thus, exposing them to reentry waivers. I'd bet that there is at least one team who would put in a claim on each of them at half their salary. This fress up 2.85 million.

NO ONE will need to take Mogilny or McGillis. Mogilny is either medically cleared to play and then plays on a top-two line or he isn't cleared to play and goes on long-term IR where we can then replace his salary on the cap. McGillis will be playing down in Lowell OR could be traded depending on how well he does in camp. He will not be on the Devils' roster though. Count on it.

2) Find a team willing to take John Madden for a pick. 3 million dollars for a top 6 Selke winner is high, but I imagine that Lou could find a home for him if he took a pick or prospect.

Not going to happen. You don't dump John Madden. The guy was our top center in 5-on-5 ice time and takes most of our faceoffs in our defensive zone. Madden may become expendable someday, but not this year.

3) With Gionta, Hale and Martin to sign, the next thing I would do is to trade Gionta to Toronto for Darcy Tucker and Matt Stajan. This is far from ideal, but Tucker scored 60 points last season and only makes 1.5m. He would not be as good as Gionta on the first line RW but he will do a nice job of filling in. Stajan would take the 2nd line LW spot vacated by the dump of Madden. The offense is comparable and Stajan still has upside. The defensive skill is not as good but Stajan is very good defensively and his upside is comparable to Madden's.


This deal opens up between 1 and 2 million under the cap, while providing cheap and skilled replacements for the outgoing players. Basically, this deal gives the Devils good players while coming close to maintaining the skill level on the team. This cap space should be enough to get at least one of Hale or Martin signed, while the other's salary could be worked in with some tweaking.

What do you think?

I like Tucker. He's a ****, but I would love to have him on the Devils. But at the expense of Gionta? No. He makes $1.5 million. Gionta will probably sign for a $million more tops this year and then get PAID next year. As for Stajan, Madden isn't going anywhere so it is a moot point.

What do I think? Not a chance. Gomez will be moved before Gionta is traded because Gomez will make twice as much this year. If we need to move salary, it will be Gomez. Who knows if we'll have to do something that drastic though? I'm not convinced Lou won't wiggle his way out of this mess.

haha, no way are we giving up Bergfors. the 2008 draft will be weak so Im not interested in the 1st. I wouldnt take it if I was Lou and I dont think he will

what makes you say itll be weak?


everyone says that about a draft every damn year and its never the case until years later and you can assess how those guys came along

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To New Jersey: Matt Stajan, Jiri Tlusty, Jay Harrison, 1st in 08

To Toronto: Brian Gionta, Niklas Bergfors


How does that look?

Again, feel free to make counter proposals. They would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers


I know we have cap troubles, but you basically picked the two players we are LEAST likely to move and offered hot garbage for them......

what makes you say itll be weak?


everyone says that about a draft every damn year and its never the case until years later and you can assess how those guys came along

I understand that players might break out, but 1-2 even sometimes 3 years in advance thiers always a couple players you know will go in the top 3 picks and will be class, but in 2008 thiers no one. When we will resume this conversation again, in 2008 when we witness the worst draft in a long time :yo:

Not moving Gionta or Bergfors.

Home grown, fan favorite, potential 50 goal scorers for around $2.5 mil (max) are pretty hard to find.

And Bergfors is our top prospect, projected as a potential superstar, and costs nothing against the cap.

If you are desperate for a make-believe deal with the Maple Leafs, try making up something with Gomez or Rafalski. They are the only ones with sufficient salary to clear the cap troubles...

Brutal trade. Come on.

Don't spend much time on the Dev's board, but is your avatar Claude Vilgrain?

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here goes.......



To New Jersey: Matt Stajan, Jiri Tlusty, Jay Harrison, 1st in 08

To Toronto: Brian Gionta, Niklas Bergfors


How does that look?

Again, feel free to make counter proposals. They would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Are you kidding me? You feelin okay? THAT TRADE IS CRAP. :biglaugh:

One way to look at the trade is to say that a team with cap space and interest could sign Gionta to a 2 year $8M contract and give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd if the Devils don't match. From each side of the trade, subtract Bergfors and Toronto's 1st in 2008, which will likely be around 10.

So you have Gionta for
Jiri Tlusty = 1st
Matt Stajan = 2nd
Jay Harrison = 3rd

Maybe you wouldn't do it, but it's certainly not laughable as you guys pretend.

One way to look at the trade is to say that a team with cap space and interest could sign Gionta to a 2 year $8M contract and give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd if the Devils don't match. From each side of the trade, subtract Bergfors and Toronto's 1st in 2008, which will likely be around 10.

So you have Gionta for
Jiri Tlusty = 1st
Matt Stajan = 2nd
Jay Harrison = 3rd

Maybe you wouldn't do it, but it's certainly not laughable as you guys pretend.

No your are absolutly correct it is not laughable and for the HF boards this is a great one, considering the "belak, domi, and berg for crosby and 2 first rounders" type of deals. But as Devil fans this is just not something we would do. Gio is Devil true and true, he is one of out most revered players with a heart of a giant.

One way to look at the trade is to say that a team with cap space and interest could sign Gionta to a 2 year $8M contract and give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd if the Devils don't match. From each side of the trade, subtract Bergfors and Toronto's 1st in 2008, which will likely be around 10.

So you have Gionta for
Jiri Tlusty = 1st
Matt Stajan = 2nd
Jay Harrison = 3rd

Maybe you wouldn't do it, but it's certainly not laughable as you guys pretend.


Its very laughable.....If I try to look at not as a Devil fan (Which is difficult) I am thinking;

1. Why in the world would a cash strapped team give up there No. 1 prospect that is on the verge of breaking into the NHL?

2. I am also thinking if the Devil absolutely had to loose there leading goal scorer and #1 RW there is no way possible they give 2 RW's in a deal. I would think Bergfors would be a replacement for Gionta on the Right side in a worse case scenario.

3. As a Non-Devil Fan, I would also imagine if the Devils had to loose there #1 RW and leading goal scorer, the Devils would be more interested in roster players than prospects depending on the specific financial situation. I would also imagine there would be a long line of suitors interested in giving up a package for 48 goal scorer, packages that would include a much more promising player.

4. Finanly Brian Gionta is not going to get the kind of money Gomez got. He'll probably be in the $3M Range........I'm thinking why would the Devils give up on "THIS" particular 3 million....This 3 million is an essential piece of the team, I would think there are a lot of other areas the Devils would look first to trim the fat.

Basically suggesting the Devil give up two of three of their (Langenbrunner would be all that is left) best scoring RW's in there organization to Save around 3Million is very laughable. And for the package mentioned in the initial post, it is even more laughable.

One way to look at the trade is to say that a team with cap space and interest could sign Gionta to a 2 year $8M contract and give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd if the Devils don't match. From each side of the trade, subtract Bergfors and Toronto's 1st in 2008, which will likely be around 10.

So you have Gionta for
Jiri Tlusty = 1st
Matt Stajan = 2nd
Jay Harrison = 3rd

Maybe you wouldn't do it, but it's certainly not laughable as you guys pretend.

Um, how about we subtract Bergfors and Tlusty. Bergfors has more value currently, or just as much, so that's a wash.

It then becomes Gionta, a 48 goal scorer, for Stajan, Harrison, and 1st. NO THANKS.

Um, how about we subtract Bergfors and Tlusty. Bergfors has more value currently, or just as much, so that's a wash.

It then becomes Gionta, a 48 goal scorer, for Stajan, Harrison, and 1st. NO THANKS. As I said, if you look at it from the perspesctive of Gionta signing an offer sheet that averages $4M, Stajan, Harrison and a 1st is basically what you'd be getting. If you don't like it, then you can match the offer and cut salary somewhere else.

Its very laughable.....If I try to look at not as a Devil fan (Which is difficult) I am thinking;

1. Why in the world would a cash strapped team give up there No. 1 prospect that is on the verge of breaking into the NHL?

2. I am also thinking if the Devil absolutely had to loose there leading goal scorer and #1 RW there is no way possible they give 2 RW's in a deal. I would think Bergfors would be a replacement for Gionta on the Right side in a worse case scenario.

3. As a Non-Devil Fan, I would also imagine if the Devils had to loose there #1 RW and leading goal scorer, the Devils would be more interested in roster players than prospects depending on the specific financial situation. I would also imagine there would be a long line of suitors interested in giving up a package for 48 goal scorer, packages that would include a much more promising player.

4. Finanly Brian Gionta is not going to get the kind of money Gomez got. He'll probably be in the $3M Range........I'm thinking why would the Devils give up on "THIS" particular 3 million....This 3 million is an essential piece of the team, I would think there are a lot of other areas the Devils would look first to trim the fat.

Basically suggesting the Devil give up two of three of their (Langenbrunner would be all that is left) best scoring RW's in there organization to Save around 3Million is very laughable. And for the package mentioned in the initial post, it is even more laughable. In terms of the Devils' demanding needs, it's not great. In terms of value, I presented an approach that showed that it's not that bad.

Bergfors is our top prospect, projected as a potential superstar, and costs nothing against the cap.

POTENTIAL SUPERSTAR?!

When did a top 6 winger become a potential superstar!??!?! :amazed: :biglaugh:

As I said, if you look at it from the perspesctive of Gionta signing an offer sheet that averages $4M, Stajan, Harrison and a 1st is basically what you'd be getting. If you don't like it, then you can match the offer and cut salary somewhere else.

What does an offer sheet have to do with anything? O yeah, all those GMs are trying to stick it to Lou because of the cap situation, I forgot. :biglaugh: Where are those offer sheets?

As I said, if you look at it from the perspesctive of Gionta signing an offer sheet that averages $4M, Stajan, Harrison and a 1st is basically what you'd be getting. If you don't like it, then you can match the offer and cut salary somewhere else.
First off, Gionta has to ACCEPT the offer sheet. He wants to stay in the organization, and his younger brother is also involved with the Devils. He has been patient enough to wait this who situation out, why would he accept an offer sheet now?

Second, we all ready will be cutting salary elsewhere, so why do we have to cut Gionta too? It's completely unnessecary.

I know we have cap troubles, but you basically picked the two players we are LEAST likely to move and offered hot garbage for them......

I don't think the value is there in this proposal either, but you're as off as Vedder is if you honestly believe that Matt Stajan and Jiri Tlusty are "hot garbage".

Geez you guys are so touchy.

I didn't say Gionta would sign a contract with another team. I said that the value is not as far off as you think.

Geez you guys are so touchy.

I didn't say Gionta would sign a contract with another team. I said that the value is not as far off as you think.
The idea of trading Gionta just doesn't make sense. We won't get great value in return and he won't cost us that much this season. He's the least likely guy to get traded not named Elias or Brodeur so these proposals are a waste of time.

NO NO NO, gionta is the man