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http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=112001
Kara Yorio on the possibility of trading away Sarge to fit under the cap. Related question: If a team goes over the cap for the year, then the amount they went over will be applied to next year's cap figure. What happens if a team goes over the 48.4M cap mark for the summer?
kdb209 08-01-2006, 04:55 AM http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=112001
Kara Yorio on the possibility of trading away Sarge to fit under the cap. Related question: If a team goes over the cap for the year, then the amount they went over will be applied to next year's cap figure. What happens if a team goes over the 48.4M cap mark for the summer?
Going over the cap and having the excess applied to the following season is only in the case of Performance Bonuses. There is a 7.5% Performance Bonus Cushion. Teams are allowed to exceed the cap by up to 7.5% (7.5% * $44M = $3.3M) due to Performance Bonuses. Performance Bonuses count against the cap whether they are earned or not (unless mathmatically impossible, such as a Games Played bonus that can not be reached if the player played every remaining game in the season). If at the end of the season, the actual total team salary paid (including the bonuses) exceeds the cap, that excess is charged against the cap the following season.
Other than the Performance Bonus Cushion and the Long Term Injury Exceptions, a team is prohibited from exceeding the cap during the season.
It is impossible to exceed the cap during the offseason, since the league will reject an SPC that would put the team over the $48.4M cap ($44M +10%).
JimEIV 08-01-2006, 08:50 AM Cap issues might force Devils to trade Brylin
I am so offended by an article by a profession writter that uses the word "might" in the tittle then use the word "If" numerous times, with spatterings of "might" to build a case.
David Puddy 08-01-2006, 10:36 AM I am so offended by an article by a profession writter that uses the word "might" in the tittle then use the word "If" numerous times, with spatterings of "might" to build a case.It is her blog. Kara Yorio is merely looking into the possibilities of how Lou Lamoriello is going to get the Devils under the cap. It is not a hard-news sports story.
What would you prefer? Would it be better to take a Mark Everson approach by making stuff up.
Sergei Brylin makes a lot of sense. He makes $1.52 million, so a million could come off the Devils cap by trading him a replacing him on the roster with Tallackson or Ryznar. Brylin is basically a utility man for the Devils. I would like to keep him as the second-line left wing with Parise back at center, but I would not do that at the expence of Gomez, Madden Gionta, or Rafalski. Those four are intragral parts of the team's success. Brylin has always been a good player for the Devils, but he is a "fringe" player as Yoro wrote in her blog.
Devilsfanatic 08-01-2006, 10:43 AM It is her blog. Kara Yorio is merely looking into the possibilities of how Lou Lamoriello is going to get the Devils under the cap. It is not a hard-news sports story.
What would you prefer? Would it be better to take a Mark Everson approach by making stuff up.
Sergei Brylin makes a lot of sense. He makes $1.52 million, so a million could come off the Devils cap by trading him a replacing him on the roster with Tallackson or Ryznar. Brylin is basically a utility man for the Devils. I would like to keep him as the second-line left wing with Parise back at center, but I would not do that at the expence of Gomez, Madden Gionta, or Rafalski. Those four are intragral parts of the team's success. Brylin has always been a good player for the Devils, but he is a "fringe" player as Yoro wrote in her blog.
I agree, some people need to take their blinders off and realize that Scott Gomez makes this team a better, more exciting team, not Sergei freakin' Brylin. I love what Sarge does for the team, but geez, he's replacable.
JimEIV 08-01-2006, 11:25 AM I agree, some people need to take their blinders off and realize that Scott Gomez makes this team a better, more exciting team, not Sergei freakin' Brylin. I love what Sarge does for the team, but geez, he's replacable.
There are no blinders here and he sure is replacable with cheaper talent...But.......To me it is completely unprofessional for a Writer to SPECULATE and Name names. Completely.
EDIT: She is not a Hockey's Future Poster here...She is a profession Staff Writer and should be held to a certain Standard....And writting an entire piece about a person based on pure speculation is beneath that standard. Its like a gossip columist garbage.
Brooklyndevil 08-01-2006, 11:58 AM Most Devil fans realize that Sarge might be a cap casualty as well has one of Mavitchuck or Lucowich. I just hope we're able to place Almo on I.R. and squeeze by this year.
It will be a great relief not to have to read through several Devil/cap related threads on HF in the summer of 07.
Irish Blues 08-01-2006, 01:12 PM Kara Yorio is merely looking into the possibilities of how Lou Lamoriello is going to get the Devils under the cap. It is not a hard-news sports story.
What would you prefer?
I'd prefer if someone told Kara Yorio to never write about the sport of hockey again.
crashlanding 08-01-2006, 01:35 PM I'd prefer if someone told Kara Yorio to never write about the sport of hockey again.
She was the Devils beat writer for The Home News, local paper with a terrible sports section, before she got a job with The Sporting News. It's still baffles me to this day, how a crappy writer like her could actually get a 'promotion.'
Pwnasaurus 08-01-2006, 02:45 PM She was the Devils beat writer for The Home News, local paper with a terrible sports section, before she got a job with The Sporting News. It's still baffles me to this day, how a crappy writer like her could actually get a 'promotion.'
no mystery really :pickle: :eviltongu
JimEIV 08-01-2006, 03:30 PM no mystery really :pickle: :eviltongu
Are you trying to say her new job had something to do with a pickle and an evil tongue???
Pwnasaurus 08-01-2006, 03:32 PM No mystery really
Devilsfanatic 08-01-2006, 04:17 PM Are you trying to say her new job had something to do with a pickle and an evil tongue???
Holy crap, even I figured that out. She ****ed her way to the top.
Most Devil fans realize that Sarge might be a cap casualty as well has one of Mavitchuck or Lucowich. I just hope we're able to place Almo on I.R. and squeeze by this year.
It will be a great relief not to have to read through several Devil/cap related threads on HF in the summer of 07.
no kidding. All summer I have been worrying about the cap issues. I think after this year we dump McGillis's and Malakhov's salary, maybe Almo's too. So after this year we shouldnt have any trouble with the cap, as we cut 8-9 million out right thier.
vadvlfan 08-01-2006, 05:39 PM It is her blog. Kara Yorio is merely looking into the possibilities of how Lou Lamoriello is going to get the Devils under the cap. It is not a hard-news sports story.
What would you prefer? Would it be better to take a Mark Everson approach by making stuff up.
Sergei Brylin makes a lot of sense. He makes $1.52 million, so a million could come off the Devils cap by trading him a replacing him on the roster with Tallackson or Ryznar. Brylin is basically a utility man for the Devils. I would like to keep him as the second-line left wing with Parise back at center, but I would not do that at the expence of Gomez, Madden Gionta, or Rafalski. Those four are intragral parts of the team's success. Brylin has always been a good player for the Devils, but he is a "fringe" player as Yoro wrote in her blog.
David, where do you get those killer avatars??? I'd like to use one or two once in a while.
brody30* 08-01-2006, 08:11 PM time to trade gomer. getting rid of fringe players wont help unless mogilny goes on the IR. Even then, we sign Gomez for too much next yr or lose him for nothing. People think the loss of gomez would be the end of the world and leave us with nothing on offense. It wont, wed obviously be getting good (although not equal) talent back.
Captain Lou 08-01-2006, 08:16 PM She is by far the worst sportswriter I ever read. Period. Which means she will probably get the job as Matt loughlin's color "man". If those two were a team, I would never listen to a game on the radio ever.
time to trade gomer. getting rid of fringe players wont help unless mogilny goes on the IR. Even then, we sign Gomez for too much next yr or lose him for nothing. People think the loss of gomez would be the end of the world and leave us with nothing on offense. It wont, wed obviously be getting good (although not equal) talent back.
If we can squeeze by this year though, or even be a bit over and just accept the penalty (they might take away a late round draft pick or something) then we will be set next year since we dump so much salary with the three M's
brody30* 08-01-2006, 10:43 PM If we can squeeze by this year though, or even be a bit over and just accept the penalty (they might take away a late round draft pick or something) then we will be set next year since we dump so much salary with the three M's
Then wed use almost all of that money on Gomez. Everyone always says "we'll use the 7.1 (or most of it) on Gomez." Then they say we'll sign Martin, Hale and Gio to cheap one yr deals and then use the M&M money to give them raises." We cant have it both ways. With gomez and gio signed, we have around 30 million for them, white, langs, madden, elias, and marty. Thats not even including a number one D. Not smart in the cap world/.
Then wed use almost all of that money on Gomez. Everyone always says "we'll use the 7.1 (or most of it) on Gomez." Then they say we'll sign Martin, Hale and Gio to cheap one yr deals and then use the M&M money to give them raises." We cant have it both ways. With gomez and gio signed, we have around 30 million for them, white, langs, madden, elias, and marty. Thats not even including a number one D. Not smart in the cap world/.
After this year I dont think we should re-sign Gomez, unless he is asking for less, since we cant afford it, as you mention. I agree with what your saying.
PS - Will the cap go up anymore in the next couple years?
brody30* 08-01-2006, 11:27 PM After this year I dont think we should re-sign Gomez, unless he is asking for less, since we cant afford it, as you mention. I agree with what your saying.
PS - Will the cap go up anymore in the next couple years?
I think it depends on revenue. not a guarantee. it wont keep going up for long.
4check22 08-02-2006, 07:03 AM I think it depends on revenue. not a guarantee. it wont keep going up for long.
Why? The NFL cap increases at about $5-7 million per year. As long as there is any kind of on-ice product with the best hockey players in the world, the cap will go up. Certainly not at the rate of the NFL, which is the best-run professional league in North America if not the world, but the cap will go up.
Belizarius 08-02-2006, 07:28 AM I read somewhere we could send Malakhov and Mogilny (and McGillis) to Lowell... they would receive their salary but it wouldn't count against the cap... Would be enough to sign RFA's...
Well I also think the NHL will monitor this...
4check22 08-02-2006, 07:37 AM I read somewhere we could send Malakhov and Mogilny (and McGillis) to Lowell... they would receive their salary but it wouldn't count against the cap... Would be enough to sign RFA's...
Well I also think the NHL will monitor this...
From what I understand about the CBA, that will work for McGillis because he isn't 35 yet. When you have signed the "magic contract" (aka contract with the 35 years of age stipulation), you can only be sent down to the minors during the first year to hide the cap hit. You CAN be sent down anytime after that, but the cap hit will be full whether you play in the NHL, AHL or anyone of Theo's Beer Leagues. If there is a loophole, it isn't the AHL.
Zelepukin Lives 08-02-2006, 12:00 PM time to trade gomer. getting rid of fringe players wont help unless mogilny goes on the IR. Even then, we sign Gomez for too much next yr or lose him for nothing. People think the loss of gomez would be the end of the world and leave us with nothing on offense. It wont, wed obviously be getting good (although not equal) talent back.
Exactly. Getting rid of Brylin makes no sense for the Devils. His locker room presence means something in NJ, but wouldn't mean much to another team, so we'd essentially get nothing for him in return. Not to mention, the $1 million we'd save doesn't really do much in the overall picture.
Gomez is a different story, as his trade value is at its highest, and the possibility to save a good-sized chunk of change exists, while getting a decent player in return. Gionta is better than anybody the team will get for Gomer, so why not trade Gomez for a center making $2 million a year and get Gionta signed to a long-term deal? Guys like Legwand, Riebeiro or Stoll could easily add another 15 to 20 points to their typical yearly production playing with Patrik and Gionta and are about $3 million cheaper.
Jonathan. 08-02-2006, 12:13 PM Exactly. Getting rid of Brylin makes no sense for the Devils. His locker room presence means something in NJ, but wouldn't mean much to another team, so we'd essentially get nothing for him in return. Not to mention, the $1 million we'd save doesn't really do much in the overall picture.
Gomez is a different story, as his trade value is at its highest, and the possibility to save a good-sized chunk of change exists, while getting a decent player in return. Gionta is better than anybody the team will get for Gomer, so why not trade Gomez for a center making $2 million a year and get Gionta signed to a long-term deal? Guys like Legwand, Riebeiro or Stoll could easily add another 15 to 20 points to their typical yearly production playing with Patrik and Gionta and are about $3 million cheaper.
Bingo. Trading bit pieces like Brylin (who will have to be replaced) just isn't going to do it.
David Puddy 08-02-2006, 12:24 PM If we can squeeze by this year though, or even be a bit over and just accept the penalty (they might take away a late round draft pick or something) then we will be set next year since we dump so much salary with the three M'sA team cannot be over the cap once the season begins, and Lou Lamoriello will not be over the cap once the season begins.
Jonathan. 08-02-2006, 12:25 PM A team cannot be over the cap once the season begins, and Lou Lamoriello will not be over the cap once the season begins.
I think you'll start seeing moves in a few weeks. He can't just sit and wait it out.
A team cannot be over the cap once the season begins, and Lou Lamoriello will not be over the cap once the season begins.
I thought this, but then I remembered that Atlanta was over the cap last year, and were able to compete, they were just penalized
Jonathan. 08-02-2006, 04:09 PM I thought this, but then I remembered that Atlanta was over the cap last year, and were able to compete, they were just penalized
They were over the cap due to performance bonuses.
Huge difference.
And every dollar they were over was added onto this years cap as a penalty for them.
They were over the cap due to performance bonuses.
Huge difference.
And every dollar they were over was added onto this years cap as a penalty for them.
okay thanks for clearing that up, I knew they were over the cap just not for that reason.
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