Would You Make This Trade???

Since Lou is talking to the Sharks again, it makes you wonder about Brad Stuart again. Considering Lou wanted Stuart really bad last year...if this trade could be done, would you trade (straight up)

Scott Gomez & Colin White for Patrick Marleau & Brad Stuart?

Since Lou is talking to the Sharks again, it makes you wonder about Brad Stuart again. Considering Lou wanted Stuart really bad last year...if this trade could be done, would you trade (straight up)

Scott Gomez & Colin White for Patrick Marleau & Brad Stuart?

I make that trade easily. In fact, it heavily favors the Devils. Marleau has speed and size and Stuart has a rocket of a shot from the point. San Jose would be nuts to do a deal like that.

I make that trade easily. In fact, it heavily favors the Devils. Marleau has speed and size and Stuart has a rocket of a shot from the point. San Jose would be nuts to do a deal like that.
I agree I think White and Stuart are fairly close in value one being more defense oriented the other being more offense oriented and somewhat injury prone. While Marleau is most definetly worth more than Gomez IMO.

Bye Scott and Colin....

What is with you guys wanting to get rid of White??????

I would love to have Brad Stuart, but not the expense of White.
Mainly because I don't see it as a major upgrade to our defence and it would breakup our best defensive pairing. So why do it?


Everyone claims Marleau is so much greater than Gomez when I have brought this up in the past and that is fine. But I really don't see it. The numbers don't show it.

Marleau- 493 129 148 277

Gomez- 327 57 187 244


I guess I see it like comparing Weight to Roenick

Roenick- 1075 462 624 1086

Weight- 849 216 558 774

Both are very good players, but they are vastly different from each other. 1 is a premier play maker and the other is a more hard nosed balanced center. Does that make Roenick better than Weight? I don't think so, they are different. Is one more valuable than the other? I don't thinks so either. If you have a team with snipers like Demitra and Tkachuk a guy like Weight can be pretty valuable. But if you have a team like Philly who plays in the East, a guy like Roenick becomes pretty valuable aslo.

I really believe Gomez would blossom on a Western skating team with some good shooters. If Gomez was in Bredan Morrison's position what do you think his numbers would look like?
I believe there is far more upside with Gomez than with Marleau. Which can viewed as a negative also, I think that means there are alot more question marks with Gomez. I think you know exactly were you're getting in Marleau. When you consider the teams and the divisions the two have play for, I believe Gomez' numbers are more impressive. To Date Gomez is averaging 61 points per season and Marleau is averaging 46.

I personal feel it would be a good trade straight up. But others don3't see it that way.

What is with you guys wanting to get rid of White??????

I would love to have Brad Stuart, but not the expense of White.
Mainly because I don't see it as a major upgrade to our defence and it would breakup our best defensive pairing. So why do it?


Everyone claims Marleau is so much greater than Gomez when I have brought this up in the past and that is fine. But I really don't see it. The numbers don't show it.

Marleau- 493 129 148 277

Gomez- 327 57 187 244


I guess I see it like comparing Weight to Roenick

Roenick- 1075 462 624 1086

Weight- 849 216 558 774

Both are very good players, but they are vastly different from each other. 1 is a premier play maker and the other is a more hard nosed balanced center. Does that make Roenick better than Weight? I don't think so, they are different. Is one more valuable than the other? I don't thinks so either. If you have a team with snipers like Demitra and Tkachuk a guy like Weight can be pretty valuable. But if you have a team like Philly who plays in the East, a guy like Roenick becomes pretty valuable aslo.

I really believe Gomez would blossom on a Western skating team with some good shooters. If Gomez was in Bredan Morrison's position what do you think his numbers would look like?
I believe there is far more upside with Gomez than with Marleau. Which can viewed as a negative also, I think that means there are alot more question marks with Gomez. I think you know exactly were you're getting in Marleau. When you consider the teams and the divisions the two have play for, I believe Gomez' numbers are more impressive. To Date Gomez is averaging 61 points per season and Marleau is averaging 46.

I personal feel it would be a good trade straight up. But others don3't see it that way.

I disagree that Gomez has a bigger upside than Marleau and I also believe Brad Stuart would be a great addition...I didn't say anything about wanting to get rid of White...but when an offer to make the team better is front of you, you have to jump at it...I don't think there is a chance in the world that the Sharks make that deal

Here's the way I see it. Right now the Devils have a bunch of playmakers and no one to finish(cept Elias when he's on his game and maybe a couple others). I'd do this trade for the reason to get more fire power. Marleau is a scoring C and Gomez is a playmaking C. I'd also take Stuart over Whitey. Sad to say but I think Stuart has a brighter future than White does.

Since Lou is talking to the Sharks again, it makes you wonder about Brad Stuart again. Considering Lou wanted Stuart really bad last year...if this trade could be done, would you trade (straight up)

Scott Gomez & Colin White for Patrick Marleau & Brad Stuart?

IMO the Devils would have to add something else pretty significant to make the deal happen.

Marleau has more value than Gomez & Stuart has more value than White.

I agree I think White and Stuart are fairly close in value one being more defense oriented the other being more offense oriented and somewhat injury prone. While Marleau is most definetly worth more than Gomez IMO.

I hope you are joking. Stuart is miles better (right now and in the future) than White, and Marleau is worth tons more than Gomez. Wilson would be trading away the two most important parts of that franchise for a #4 d-man and and a second-line (at best) center.

I hope you are joking. Stuart is miles better (right now and in the future) than White, and Marleau is worth tons more than Gomez. Wilson would be trading away the two most important parts of that franchise for a #4 d-man and and a second-line (at best) center.

Agreed on Stuart. Stuart has top 15 defenseman league wide potential, whereas White is probably best as a 2nd pair guy.

But I think Gomez gets way too much flack for his lack of production. The last 4 years, Marleau has had years of: 40, 52, 44, and 57 points. Gomez has 70, 63, 48, and 55. Marleau has 7 points in 15 games so far this year, Gomez has 8 in 13. To me, their production is similar, but everybody seems to think more highly of Marleau whereas Gomez has stagnated. Nobody ever refers to Marleau as a 'second liner at best'.

Does it come back to the fact that Marleau is bigger and was drafted higher 6 years ago?

Here are some ice time stats from NHL.com:

Marleau:
2003-04: 17:28 ATOI, 13:25 Even, 1:05 PK, 2:58 PP
2002-03: 18:51 ATOI, 13:41 Even, 0:46 PK, 4:03 PP
2001-02: 14:03 ATOI, 12:05 Even, 0:02 PK, 1:55 PP

Gomez:
2003-04: 15:03 ATOI, 11:50 Even, 0:04 PK, 3:08 PP
2002-03: 16:00 ATOI, 13:07 Even, 0:06 PK, 2:47 PP
2001-02: 16:45 ATOI, 14:24 Even, 0:03 PK, 2:18 PP

Agreed on Stuart. Stuart has top 15 defenseman league wide potential, whereas White is probably best as a 2nd pair guy.

But I think Gomez gets way too much flack for his lack of production. The last 4 years, Marleau has had years of: 40, 52, 44, and 57 points. Gomez has 70, 63, 48, and 55. Marleau has 7 points in 15 games so far this year, Gomez has 8 in 13. To me, their production is similar, but everybody seems to think more highly of Marleau whereas Gomez has stagnated. Nobody ever refers to Marleau as a 'second liner at best'.

Does it come back to the fact that Marleau is bigger and was drafted higher 6 years ago?

Here are some ice time stats from NHL.com:

Marleau:
2003-04: 17:28 ATOI, 13:25 Even, 1:05 PK, 2:58 PP
2002-03: 18:51 ATOI, 13:41 Even, 0:46 PK, 4:03 PP
2001-02: 14:03 ATOI, 12:05 Even, 0:02 PK, 1:55 PP

Gomez:
2003-04: 15:03 ATOI, 11:50 Even, 0:04 PK, 3:08 PP
2002-03: 16:00 ATOI, 13:07 Even, 0:06 PK, 2:47 PP
2001-02: 16:45 ATOI, 14:24 Even, 0:03 PK, 2:18 PP

Hey, I like Gomez and would love it if the Flames tried to land him now that he's in Pat Burns' doghouse. However, Marleau is a much more complete player. He is bigger, faster, tougher, and plays both ends of the ice better than Gomez. I think you are right in saying that Gomez gets the shaft from a lot of fans undeservedly, but Marleau is only one year older and is a much more complete player whereas pretty much what you see is what you get with Gomez.

Gomez was in Burns' doghouse last year when his first impression was wrongly showing up to training camp late. Far as I know, he's not in there this season despite claims in the papers that he was demoted to the fourth line for a few shifts here and there. Burns made moves like this all season long in 2002-2003 and in the playoffs. He's not one to let a struggling line carry on with no life for longer then necessary. Moving Gomez would be more about finding a center with great faceoff skills and some better scoring upside as opposed to getting rid of a player "in the doghouse". We need a right handed center on this team for faceoffs on the right side pretty badly. Its just like our PP situation where we have a ton of left handed players. I don't think Gomez has had a ten minute screaming match in practice with Burns like Perreault had in Montreal recently. I agree about Gomez' worth being devalued by a lot of fans in the trade boards. See it done all the time.

Gomez, White, 1st
Marleau, Stuart


That's actually pretty good deal....If Gomez does get dealt it will be to a west coast team (Canada or US)...Lou will send him closer to family if he gets dealt...

Would you guys do Gomez/Rafalski for Marleau/Stuart? I think that deal has more of a chance of happening then the original one.

I don't think Rafalski will be the one to go. If there is a choice between Niedermayer and Rafalski I would have to trade Niedermayer. Rafalski brings more offense to the table, is cheaper and is way underated meaning he won't get near as much as Niedermayer. A Niedermayer, Gomez package could command a tonnnnnn.

You never never ever trade Niedermayer, he's one of the top three defensemen in the NHL. Unless your going to get an incredible package back(Sakic, Thornton, etc...) but they will never happen because of their huge contracts.

Besides Niedermayer might be this leagues most underated superstar and the Devils next captian. He's pretty much untouchable.

Niedermayer is costing this team too much, we should just buy him a mood ring that always read green. The guy will show up for 2 tease you then play average for 15.

He led the entire NHL in scoring with a great plus/minus during the postseason. That alone should earn him more points in your book. Never a bad thing having a player being clutch when it counts most.

Niedermayer is costing this team too much, we should just buy him a mood ring that always read green. The guy will show up for 2 tease you then play average for 15.

Nieds is way underpaid....I couldn't disagree more with this comment. Watching him play night in and night out is an absolute pleasure...He may not put up huge numbers but he is the second best player on this team behind Marty. Change the subject fast...

You never never ever trade Niedermayer, he's one of the top three defensemen in the NHL.

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Top 3 in the league?

Thats what I was thinking, funny most of you all wanted him out last year around this time. I think his value is at an all time high and he won't be staying after his next contract holdout.

Yeah top three in the league, he will never put up points like everybody wants but he plays defense as solid as any defensemen in the NHL, and he does produce points when it counts like the SC run of last year(2g,16a). Hell I thought he was the one that should have won the Conn Smythe.

He's a total different player than he was 5 years ago. He's now the total package. And I for one never wanted to trade this guy.

In TheHockeyNews' recent "The best of Everything In Hockey" magazine, based on their polling (which I believe included writers, players,and managers), Scott N finished #2 in voting, behind only Lidstrom, in voting for the best defenseman in the NHL.

In TheHockeyNews' recent "The best of Everything In Hockey" magazine, based on their polling (which I believe included writers, players,and managers), Scott N finished #2 in voting, behind only Lidstrom, in voting for the best defenseman in the NHL.

And I think it's safe to say they know what they are talking about.

Thank you tmg!

I am a big Rafalski guy, but he is no Scott Niedermayer. If Niedermayer stays with the Devils he will be the next captain. I also see him becoming a even better player after Stevens retires. If the nhl climate were not so uncertain I am sure Niedermayer would already have received a contract extension not unlike the ones Brodeur and Stevens received.

I think its in our best interest to take a wait and see approach as to how Pronger will play this season after the injury which almost ended his hockey career. I'm still skeptical he'll be able to return to the form from previous years and finish out the season healthy.

Actually most times they don't, there is no way in hell Niedermayer is better then Pronger or Blake.

Blake is very overrated.

Blake is very overrated.

Neider is better. Hey where in the hell is "Neidermayer27", figure he would want to defend his boy!

Neider is better. Hey where in the hell is "Neidermayer27", figure he would want to defend his boy!

NHL2Night had a top 10 list not long ago and they had Stevens rated there, but no sign of Niedermayer which I thought was odd. Niedermayer better be the next Ken Daneyko. I don't ever want to see him leave this organization.

NHL2Night had a top 10 list not long ago and they had Stevens rated there, but no sign of Niedermayer which I thought was odd. Niedermayer better be the next Ken Daneyko. I don't ever want to see him leave this organization.


Ditto!!! He's so smooth on the ice, love watching him play.