Comrie & Georges Laraque?

Would you guys trade Gomez and Bicek and a pick for Comrie and Laraque? I think it might make sense, today's NY Post says that Gomez rumors are heating up again.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/devils/4089.htm

and I think Laraque is in the doghouse in EDM. Considering Comrie said he would sign for less than the $1.3 mill offer he got from the Oilers we might not get screwed to badly in the money department. Any thoughts?

I have never really seen comrie play. Will he really be an upgrade over Gomez.......will he be able to play in jersey and be responsible defensively? Will this hurt or help Elias....I mean last time we traded his linemate(s) his production went down. Do you think they will be able to have chemistry with each other? If yes to any of those questions then I say it is def. worth trying to get them after (a) he said he'd sign for 1.13, only .13 more than Gomez, and (b) Gomez was moved to the 4th line with ras and bergy. Although that line got the goal I don't think it was a positive thing that gomez was put on that line.
Also I think it's time to change up the lines a li'l bit whether or not we trade gomez or not.

Gomez has a goal and 8 assists so far in 13 games. He's not producing a LOT, but he's producing a lot more-or at least a better pace-than last season. I don't think he has yet to phone a game in or play generally poorly, and neither he or the Devils aren't doing terribly enough to justify trading him. Plus, if Comrie is going to complain playing in small-market Edmonton, do you really think he won't complain when Lou gives him the business and doesn't show him the money he wants, or the respect he think he deserves or the roster spot he'll get from Burns or anything else? Arnott and Sykora were traded for being less headaches, I don't think Comrie would last.

I wouldn't mind having Laraque, but then again, the Devils do have Turner Stevenson and Laraque is sort of an uber-Stevenson when he's got his game on.

Elias-Comrie-Gionta/Berglund
Friesen-Larionov-Brylin
Langs-Madden-Pando
Laraque-Raz/Rupp-Stevenson

I could live with those lines. I think its about time Berglund got a real chance to shine. Get him PP time, get him on a line with skill players not Turner Stevenson. Enough of him being a 4th liner. He is being wasted there. A fourth line of Laraque-Raz/Rupp-Stevenson is an absolutly perfect. Big, mean, hard working, and a few goals from time to time.

Would you guys trade Gomez and Bicek and a pick for Comrie and Laraque? I think it might make sense, today's NY Post says that Gomez rumors are heating up again.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/devils/4089.htm

and I think Laraque is in the doghouse in EDM. Considering Comrie said he would sign for less than the $1.3 mill offer he got from the Oilers we might not get screwed to badly in the money department. Any thoughts?

I'd do that in a heartbeat and never once look back. I like both players we have right now, but this move would be a positive upgrade to this team. Laraque gives us that extra edge in games against Philly with Brashear and Fedoruk which the team has been lacking a bit even with the Marshall acquisition and he'd be that guy that can help keep other teams honest with our star players when we eventually lose Scott Stevens to retirement providing he's signed for a few years.

I have never really seen comrie play. Will he really be an upgrade over Gomez.......will he be able to play in jersey and be responsible defensively? Will this hurt or help Elias....I mean last time we traded his linemate(s) his production went down. Do you think they will be able to have chemistry with each other? If yes to any of those questions then I say it is def. worth trying to get them after (a) he said he'd sign for 1.13, only .13 more than Gomez, and (b) Gomez was moved to the 4th line with ras and bergy. Although that line got the goal I don't think it was a positive thing that gomez was put on that line.
Also I think it's time to change up the lines a li'l bit whether or not we trade gomez or not.

This is how I view the move for what its worth. NJ brings in a talented goal scoring and playmaking center (Mike Comrie) to a team that still sorely needs a legitimate first line pivot man to bring out the best in guys like Patrik Elias or Jeff Friesen night after night. Gomez and Elias were terrible together chemistry wise last season. This year they are both hustling and producing, but I'm really skeptical that it will continue all year long in truth. I think Comrie's too smart and too creative of a player to have problems adjusting to our defensive gameplan and all the talk of him being poor defensively in the trade rumors forum by upset Oilers fans seems to be more a case of fans reiterating "if you don't wanna play here, then get the f out" kinda anger mentality which tends to skew the way people generally view a players assets and liabilities. The lines were changed up last night and it resulted in a shutout win over the Senators. I think you are wrongly viewing last nights move to shake things up as punishment to Gomez when in all actuality it was a reward to guys like Berglund and Rasmussen for playing so well all night long.

Gomez has a goal and 8 assists so far in 13 games. He's not producing a LOT, but he's producing a lot more-or at least a better pace-than last season. I don't think he has yet to phone a game in or play generally poorly, and neither he or the Devils aren't doing terribly enough to justify trading him. Plus, if Comrie is going to complain playing in small-market Edmonton, do you really think he won't complain when Lou gives him the business and doesn't show him the money he wants, or the respect he think he deserves or the roster spot he'll get from Burns or anything else? Arnott and Sykora were traded for being less headaches, I don't think Comrie would last.

I wouldn't mind having Laraque, but then again, the Devils do have Turner Stevenson and Laraque is sort of an uber-Stevenson when he's got his game on.

This would be a move more about the future of the team then the status quo imo. I personally think Mike Comrie would jump at the chance to come to such a winning organisation where ties are viewed as losses, losing is regarded as unacceptable, and expectations are to go the distance every season. I watched the game a 2nd time last night and took note of how much Martin Brodeur enjoys having Turner Stevenson around after the final horn blasted and the two of them were joking around together really having some fun along with Langs. I think its blatantly obvious how much Martin Brodeur appreciates having a sparkplug like Turner Stevenson on this team. Laraque is a legit heavyweight in the league which is something we don't have. Daneyko and McKenzie left while Marshall is having back problems and Stevens is concentrating on being a teacher to Hale, Martin, and Brown this season among others.

Outside of Niedermayers 3 goals, and Rafalski's impressive offensive stats, our goal scoring is primarily coming from the wings right now. Why not add a center who can score just as easily as he can assist on goals with Madden, Gomez, Rasmussen, Larionov and Rupp all being guys struggling to put the puck in the net? Finally we'd have a line where the other team can't just concentrate on keying in on shutting down Langs, Elias, Friesen etc... which could free this team up to score 4 goals a game consistently and lessen the pressure of always having to fight for their lives in one goal games. I know Brodeur loves the pressure and he's said recently he's perfectly fine with the team scoring 3 goals a night, but I do feel Madden and Pandolfo along with the D would benefit the most from additional goal scoring myself. Madden has commented several times in the press that it takes a lot out of him playing the way he did in the playoffs. Lets not burn him out prematurely. More goal scoring would take the pressure off of him in a big way which would be a big relief to the team at whole.

I think it's a no brainer. Comrie for Gomez is an upgrade, imo. We have no real use for Bicek, but Laraque we could use. This would be a killer trade for NJ.

This would be a killer trade for NJ.

Exactly. This is why Kevin Lowe wouldn't make this trade. It is obvious that Comrie is an upgrade over Gomez and there's no way in hell Bicek is nearly as effective as Laraque is.

Georges Laraque is the most feared fighter in the league and can check like very few can. Bicek is lucky to be playing at all in New Jersey. We have to be realistic here. It'll take more than Gomez to get Comrie and a lot more than Bicek to get Laraque.

Gomez, Rasmussen, 1st for Comrie and Laraque/Rita

Exactly. This is why Kevin Lowe wouldn't make this trade. It is obvious that Comrie is an upgrade over Gomez and there's no way in hell Bicek is nearly as effective as Laraque is.

Georges Laraque is the most feared fighter in the league and can check like very few can. Bicek is lucky to be playing at all in New Jersey. We have to be realistic here. It'll take more than Gomez to get Comrie and a lot more than Bicek to get Laraque.

Gomez, Rasmussen, 1st for Comrie and Laraque/Rita

Done, done, and done. Get the Fed-Ex overnight envelopes ready.

Too be honest, I'm much more intrigued of Laraque than I am of Comrie. I want him to put Brashear in his place and not attack our captain after a clean check.

Too be honest, I'm much more intrigued of Laraque than I am of Comrie. I want him to put Brashear in his place and not attack our captain after a clean check.

I'm glad you mentioned this point, because I noticed in yesterdays game against the Rangers, Brashear went right after Dale Purinton following a completely clean legal check to Pitkanen. More and more teams are resorting to fighting to combat clean hits this season for some reason????

Too be honest, I'm much more intrigued of Laraque than I am of Comrie. I want him to put Brashear in his place and not attack our captain after a clean check.

Well if anybody could put Brashear in his place, Laraque would probably be the guy to do it. I think Laraque is the best fighter in the league and he finishes checks very well too. He's an underrated talent and coud easily play on our 3rd line.

I'd expect Lowe to ask for a king's ransom for Laraque though. He's a fan favorite and is a huge part of the team and community. When talking about guys like Laraque, Worrell, Brashear, Shelley, etc. you generally find that their trade values are far higher than you expected.

That's why I'd probably change:

Gomez, Rasmussen, 1st for Comrie and Laraque/Rita

to this...

Gomez, Stevenson, Bicek, 2nd for Comrie and Laraque/Rita

Rasmussen is a plugger and I think that Edmonton has enough of those. Stevenson could at least do 2/3 of what Laraque did. Bicek is just another 3rd/4th line winger that may excell in Edmonton's style of play. With this second deal, Edmonton gets a couple of bodies to do what Laraque did and a guy in Gomez that could put up 90% of Comrie's lost points.

I'd say that right now Gomez could replace 100% of Comrie's production but he can not replace his goals. Other than that Comrie is a 50-55 point C, as is Gomez.

Laraque has stated he will retire if traded.

Laraque has stated he will retire if traded.

What a baby.. if that's true. Almost everyone gets traded at least once in their career. Get over it.

Gomez, Stevenson, Bicek, 2nd for Comrie and Laraque/Rita


Giving up Stevenson in this trade ruins a perfect fourth line of Stevenson-Raz-Laraque.

Laraque has stated he will retire if traded.
Are you sure your not thinking of Tie Domi?

Are you sure your not thinking of Tie Domi?

Possitive. Go on the Oilers board and ask if you dont believe me.

Giving up Stevenson in this trade ruins a perfect fourth line of Stevenson-Raz-Laraque.

Don't you mean Rupp?

From George Laraque-
"Q: Over the last couple of years you have earned yourself a spot on the team. Do you still worry going into camp that there's a chance you might not make the team?

A: No. I never worry about that stuff. I know that I want to retire in Edmonton, and if anything were to happen and I got traded that would be fine. But coming into camp all I have to do is come in good shape and show that I'm ready to play, and I did that"

He has stated he does not want to goto Montreal though in another interview

Good, I know I'd be ecstatic if NJ aquired him. :rolly:

Well if anybody could put Brashear in his place, Laraque would probably be the guy to do it. I think Laraque is the best fighter in the league and he finishes checks very well too. He's an underrated talent and coud easily play on our 3rd line.

I'd expect Lowe to ask for a king's ransom for Laraque though. He's a fan favorite and is a huge part of the team and community. When talking about guys like Laraque, Worrell, Brashear, Shelley, etc. you generally find that their trade values are far higher than you expected.

That's why I'd probably change:

Gomez, Rasmussen, 1st for Comrie and Laraque/Rita

to this...

Gomez, Stevenson, Bicek, 2nd for Comrie and Laraque/Rita

Rasmussen is a plugger and I think that Edmonton has enough of those. Stevenson could at least do 2/3 of what Laraque did. Bicek is just another 3rd/4th line winger that may excell in Edmonton's style of play. With this second deal, Edmonton gets a couple of bodies to do what Laraque did and a guy in Gomez that could put up 90% of Comrie's lost points.

I'd replace Stevenson with Marshall. he has much more value to the Devils than he has in a trade and he is cheaper than Marshall.

I have never really seen comrie play. Will he really be an upgrade over Gomez.......will he be able to play in jersey and be responsible defensively? Will this hurt or help Elias....I mean last time we traded his linemate(s) his production went down. Do you think they will be able to have chemistry with each other? If yes to any of those questions then I say it is def. worth trying to get them after (a) he said he'd sign for 1.13, only .13 more than Gomez, and (b) Gomez was moved to the 4th line with ras and bergy. Although that line got the goal I don't think it was a positive thing that gomez was put on that line.
Also I think it's time to change up the lines a li'l bit whether or not we trade gomez or not.

Comrie is a definite upgrade, he's fiesty and would look great in a devils unie. Trade for him and then sign free agent Berezin and repeating will be looking better.

I'd say that right now Gomez could replace 100% of Comrie's production but he can not replace his goals. Other than that Comrie is a 50-55 point C, as is Gomez.

I disagree. Comrie will probably end up being a 70-80 point player whereas Gomez will likely top out at 65 points.

I agree that Gomez couldn't replace Comrie's goals though.

I'm telling you, it is no coincidence that the devils winning strike coincided with the return of Turner Stevenson.

Turner brings energy to this team. What he does may not show up in the box scores but it is invaluable.

I'm telling you, it is no coincidence that the devils winning strike coincided with the return of Turner Stevenson.

Turner brings energy to this team. What he does may not show up in the box scores but it is invaluable.

Right on. He deserves better props then he gets from fans of other teams as well.

What the hell is a "winning strike"

:D

What the hell is a "winning strike" ...
Like in bowling...if you're even with your opponent through the tenth frame, then he gets a spare and you get a strike...
<(-:**

At this point I don't think that the Oil would mourn the loss of either player. But the Stevenson, Bicek and spare parts of the offer don't fit well.

I think that you may have to add one of your young blueliners...Hale, Martin to get a deal done..(Martin likely over Hale because the offense is needed over the toughness.)

Comrie, Laraque

for

Gomez, Hale/Martin, Pick

That would be close. All of that said, I think a deal like this would bring you closer to a repeat.

At this point I don't think that the Oil would mourn the loss of either player. But the Stevenson, Bicek and spare parts of the offer don't fit well.

I think that you may have to add one of your young blueliners...Hale, Martin to get a deal done..(Martin likely over Hale because the offense is needed over the toughness.)

Comrie, Laraque

for

Gomez, Hale/Martin, Pick

That would be close. All of that said, I think a deal like this would bring you closer to a repeat.


Gomez and Hale or Martin >> Comrie

Laraque = Pick
A heaveyweight is worth nothing more than pick



That is to much. Obviously teams are talking to Lowe, and obviously nothing has nocked his socks off. Edmonton is not really in a position to get that much. The situation is, he is not coming back to Edmonton by all accounts, and the Oilers have a good player not playing. Nobody will over pay in that scenario, they don't have to.


But I really don't think Comrie is Lou type player.......so the discussion is kind of pointless.

One of the comments Lou constantly made last year was this is a "Low Maintenence Team". Disrupting the locker room is more of an issue than the 35 goals and 80+ points a guy can bring to the table. Just ask Peter Sykora.

Lou showed that he wass willing to Breakup one the best lines the Devils ever had (Elias-Arnott-Sykora), for the good of the team.
I don't believe their is another GM in the NHL that would have the guts to that. So I couldn't imagine Lou ever signing a holdout and trading good soldiers to do it.

Comrie, Laraque

for

Gomez, Hale/Martin, Pick

.

No thanks. Devils get hosed.


:moon:

Gomez and Hale or Martin >> Comrie

Laraque = Pick
A heaveyweight is worth nothing more than pick



That is to much. Obviously teams are talking to Lowe, and obviously nothing has nocked his socks off. Edmonton is not really in a position to get that much. The situation is, he is not coming back to Edmonton by all accounts, and the Oilers have a good player not playing. Nobody will over pay in that scenario, they don't have to.


But I really don't think Comrie is Lou type player.......so the discussion is kind of pointless.

One of the comments Lou constantly made last year was this is a "Low Maintenence Team". Disrupting the locker room is more of an issue than the 35 goals and 80+ points a guy can bring to the table. Just ask Peter Sykora.

Lou showed that he wass willing to Breakup one the best lines the Devils ever had (Elias-Arnott-Sykora), for the good of the team.
I don't believe their is another GM in the NHL that would have the guts to that. So I couldn't imagine Lou ever signing a holdout and trading good soldiers to do it.

I don't think Lou will ever part w/martin or hale. Not now at least, he will want to see what they can do. But I am a big Comrie fan, think Lou should try to get him. Within reason of course.

I don't think Lou will ever part w/martin or hale. Not now at least, he will want to see what they can do. But I am a big Comrie fan, think Lou should try to get him. Within reason of course.

If he did it would kind of be an indirect slap in the face to bringing in Jacques Lapperiere imo.

The deal I think Lowe would ask for those two players is probably-
White+Rupp for Comrie+Laraque
and more than likely get quickly denied, Edmonton has enough playmakers we have very little need for Gomez and our offense is by no means suffering from Comrie's absence.

Laraque should fetch substansially more than a pick(unless it is of course a 1st in which case we take it and run), top of the line fighters have good trade value. Anyone remember Novoseltsev+E.Messier for Worrel +2nd? Laraque is an all around better player and fighter than Worrel. White>Comrie and Laraque>Rupp. If we can't get atleast one of your young prized d (White,Martin, or Hale) we just won't do buisness with you.

Gomez and Hale or Martin >> Comrie

Laraque = Pick
A heaveyweight is worth nothing more than pick



That is to much. Obviously teams are talking to Lowe, and obviously nothing has nocked his socks off. Edmonton is not really in a position to get that much. The situation is, he is not coming back to Edmonton by all accounts, and the Oilers have a good player not playing. Nobody will over pay in that scenario, they don't have to.


But I really don't think Comrie is Lou type player.......so the discussion is kind of pointless.

One of the comments Lou constantly made last year was this is a "Low Maintenence Team". Disrupting the locker room is more of an issue than the 35 goals and 80+ points a guy can bring to the table. Just ask Peter Sykora.

Lou showed that he wass willing to Breakup one the best lines the Devils ever had (Elias-Arnott-Sykora), for the good of the team.
I don't believe their is another GM in the NHL that would have the guts to that. So I couldn't imagine Lou ever signing a holdout and trading good soldiers to do it.

I am not sure if comrie is really a "locker room cancer" as far as i can remember he wanted to come to the oils trainingcamp without a contract but was locked out by the oils. also how he stepped up after Weights departure shows me that this guy wants to take responsibility and the recent comment from his agent that he is willing to accept a salary around 1 mio to make a trade happen is also not a sign of a greedy selfish player who is holding out for the big bucks while golfing in the bermudas.

i'd love to see him in NJ but first i would sign Berezin if cheap and have a look if hes klicking with gomer. if no gomez could be included in a package for Comrie and Larague, if they click i'll try to make a package with the spare parts, picks and prospects to land Comrie and Larague.

maybe Marshall/Rassmusen, Bicek, Giroux/Brown and a pick?? :dunno:

Elias - Comrie - Berglund/Gionta
Berezin - Gomez - Langenbrunner
Pando - Madden - Larague /Brylin
Friesen - Rupp - Stevenson


Raffi - Stevens
White - Niedermayer
Martin/Albelin - Hale

spare parts: Larionov, Marshall, Rassmusen, Brown, Bicek, Giroux

A first round pick for Laraque would never happen...........Well maybe Bobby Clarke would make that deal.

"If we can't get atleast one of your young prized d (White,Martin, or Hale) we just won't do buisness with you."

"Not doing business" is the best choice in this scenario for the Devils. Comrie is not worth shaking up this team for.

Solid D-men are Always at premium, go over to the Trade board and do a search on Colin White. His name pops often. Ironically everyone says

Myplayer > C. White

and yet everyone wants him. How does that work?

White and Neidermayer are/and have been the most stable pairing on championship team. I personally would not trade 2 Comries for 1 White.

A first round pick for Laraque would never happen...........Well maybe Bobby Clarke would make that deal.

"If we can't get atleast one of your young prized d (White,Martin, or Hale) we just won't do buisness with you."

"Not doing business" is the best choice in this scenario for the Devils. Comrie is not worth shaking up this team for.

Solid D-men are Always at premium, go over to the Trade board and do a search on Colin White. His name pops often. Ironically everyone says

Myplayer > C. White

and yet everyone wants him. How does that work?

White and Neidermayer are/and have been the most stable pairing on championship team. I personally would not trade 2 Comries for 1 White.
I would not do the trade either if I was a Devils fan and I don't think the Devils will pay the high price that Comrie looks like he will cost judging by the amount of interest and teams involved, it will most certainly be an over-payment coming Edmontons way Lou being one of the best GM's will most definetly stay clear. I clearly stated Laraque was not worth a first in the "take it and run" statement. I also stated White>Comrie did u even read my post or are you making a generalization of other posters? I know Edmonton always trades top of the line players for quantity but Lowe made it pretty clear that he wanted more quality and less quantity this time around.

I would not do the trade either if I was a Devils fan and I don't think the Devils will pay the high price that Comrie looks like he will cost judging by the amount of interest and teams involved, it will most certainly be an over-payment coming Edmontons way Lou being one of the best GM's will most definetly stay clear. I clearly stated Laraque was not worth a first in the "take it and run" statement. I also stated White>Comrie did u even read my post or are you making a generalization of other posters? I know Edmonton always trades top of the line players for quantity but Lowe made it pretty clear that he wanted more quality and less quantity this time around.


I was just really making generalization of other post.

Mainly because White's name seems to be thrown around quite a bit even by devils fans. Almost as if he was an extra.

But an over payment is what seems to be the talk in general. And I am saying Edmonton is in no position to get over paid.

I'm not saying Edmonton wont get anything, or even a good deal, but why in the world would a team overpay? Edmonton is negotiating from a position of weakness. The longer this goes on, only Edmonton and Comrie suffer, not the half a dozen or so teams that are interested.

You may be able to get a prized D-man. But that d-man would be the centerpiece of the deal. You would get something like Hale or Martin and Burglund not Gomez and the prized prospect.

I think Edmonton is looking at: 1. A highly toughted prospect and a lessor player (3rd line/5 or 6 D-man). Or a top 6 forward and a throw in with some upside. Not both.

These are rumors you are already seeing. Lundmark and a prosepct, Lupul or Getzlaf and a draft pick, Michal Handzus and a D prospect.

These names are NOT a top 6 forward AND top 3 D-man Or a highly rank prospect AND a top 6 forward. That just aint happening.


So what I'm saying is the centerpiece of a Comrie deal should be A top six forward or a prized prosepct both with minor extras regardless who is doing the trade.

Edm gets: Gomez, Bicek, Marshall, Giroux or Brown and 4th round draft pick

NJ gets: Comrie and York

any thoughts?

Edm gets: Gomez, Bicek, Marshall, Giroux or Brown and 4th round draft pick

NJ gets: Comrie and York

any thoughts?

The Oilers already had Sean Brown once and they gave up on him. I don't see them having any interest at all in getting him back at this point as he still hasn't really proved them wrong to date.

Comrie + Laraque + 2nd

for

Gomez + Rupp

fair?