GDT: NJ Devils Vs. Toronto Maple Leafs @ 7:30pm EST - 11/7

Nieuwendyk won't play tonight as he's having troubles with his back. Supposedly Stevens is out with a death in the family as well. Hope to see a 3-1 Devils win if not more goals.

First Devils game I get to see this year, thanks to TSN. Couple good saves be Belfour early (eek)

Looked like Belak hit Hale knee to knee, but Belak probably got the worst of it.

Chippy game with Tucker drilling Friesen then the accidental high stick to Gionta's face by Mogilny.

Supposedly Stevens is out with a death in the family as well.


:(

Niedermayer wearing the "C"?

Niedermayer wearing the "C"?

You got it NJDB. Schwab looked better then I figured he would in that 1st period.

Schwab with a great save on Fitzgerald after Albelin takes a puck in the face.

Schwab is doing super super super super well tonight. Making some SWEEEEEEEEEEET saves.

Now hopefully the Devs can pot one in.

Devils on the PP after Belfour punches Gionta in the face.

Great hustle by the Devils after Schwab again bailed out his team. Belfour kicked it into the net with his leg. Langenbrunner gets credit for it.

OK, PP got none. And then it goes back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and IT TRICKLES IN PAST BELFOUR!

Devils up 1-0!

Last save by Schwab was a :bow:

Let's go SCHWABY !!!!!!

:yo:

Roberts scores on the PP. I knew that was going to happen.

I'm such an effing jinx.

I'm such an effing jinx.

Its not you MV. Colin White retalliated after Roberts hit him hard into the boards and you could see the PP equalizer coming from a mile away.

Its not you MV. Colin White retalliated after Roberts hit him hard into the boards and you could see the PP equalizer coming from a mile away.

Gee, another Colin White stupid penalty coming back to haunt us. How unusual :shakehead

Langs scored?? YAY!
eh,I can't get the game......

One of these days Elias will bury that kind of breakaway... how long can we wait for that though?

But it's good to see him getting pissed off out there...

But it's good to see him getting pissed off out there...

He and Gionta both are showing a lotta heart tonight. I can't believe they didn't score on that last play. Could have sworn that was the game winner gift wrapped.

Roberts and Gionta also doing some of that old-time bruising.

Neidermayer ALMOST scored, but he hit the post. Bo-wap-wap, indeed.

He and Gionta both are showing a lotta heart tonight. I can't believe they didn't score on that last play. Could have sworn that was the game winner gift wrapped.


Yup, but we've seen that a lot lately. When was the last time Elias scored on a breakaway?

God. Is there a team in the league that hooks more than the Leafs? And White shouldn't have retaliated but that is a pretty weak call that late in the game...only because Roberts fell. And where was the call on Friesen's partial breakaway? New Jersey was outplayed tonight but they should have won that game.

So many penalties....

Nice to see a good effort from the guys and Schwab. The win would've been better, but without Brodeur and Stevens, a tie ain't bad. Hope the guys are ready for an even bigger challenge tomorrow.

Berezin could have been the difference tonight. Wonder how that whole rumor is progressing at this point. Rasmussen had one great hit and played a good all around game. Would have loved seeing Rupp fighting Tucker or Domi. Rafalski looked great on the PP. Thought Hale and Martin were more involved then usual tonight and played good games. Madden's passes in the first two periods were being intercepted time after time to Pandolfo and Langenbrunner. Looked like a combination of bad ice and bad timing going on with all the players from both teams falling down quite a bit.

Langenbrunner has been hot the last few games. It was a tight game all night where you'd expect to see the checking line get plenty of ice time. You don't fire Stanley Cup winning coaches over a couple minutes of ice time in a single nail biter game.

Not true Jason.

RK PLAYER TEAM POS GP TOI TOI/g SH TOI SH TOI/g PP TOI PP TOI/g ES TOI ES TOI/g SFT/g

5 JOHN MADDEN NJD C 11 187:15 17:01 29:57 2:43 3:39 0:19 153:39 13:58 23.2
6 JAMIE LANGENBRUNNER NJD R 11 186:21 16:56 15:22 1:23 17:56 1:37 153:03 13:54 22.7
7 PATRIK ELIAS NJD C 11 180:55 16:26 14:52 1:21 34:42 3:09 131:21 11:56 20.1
8 JAY PANDOLFO NJD L 11 176:32 16:02 29:42 2:42 3:54 0:21 142:56 12:59 22.2
9 SERGEI BRYLIN NJD C 11 171:10 15:33 13:58 1:16 28:17 2:34 128:55 11:43 19.6
10 SCOTT GOMEZ NJD C 11 165:24 15:02 0:56 0:05 34:14 3:06 130:14 11:50 18.1
11 JEFF FRIESEN NJD L 11 164:37 14:57 0:43 0:03 29:03 2:38 134:51 12:15 18.6
12 BRIAN GIONTA NJD R 11 152:27 13:51 8:52 0:48 17:17 1:34 126:18 11:28 18.6

Anyone else notice the Leafs were playing the trap tonight? :dunno:

Still Gomez, Elias and Gionta was the best line, they should have been out there + 16 min.

White is overated, Rafalski sucks without Stevens, Albelin licked tonight.

Niedermayer, Martin, and Hale were the best dmen.

Relax. It's one game. Every player is going to suck in a 82 game season. Without Stevens and Brodeur, a tie against those Leafs is OK. Be concerned about tomorrow.

White shouldn't have retaliated but that is a pretty weak call that late in the game...only because Roberts fell.

White gave him a shot in the face with his glove on, Roberts just gave him a clean hit. Thats a penalty. Its not a weak call, its calling the rules of the game.

And where was the call on Friesen's partial breakaway? New Jersey was outplayed tonight but they should have won that game

Where was the holding call when Rafalski grabbed Sundin when he was about to get on a break away? Or the high sticking call when Fitzgeralds nose got busted open. Theres always missed calls, and it always evens out for a team, not always on the same night but it does.

Martin was out of position on the Roberts goal. How does he see PK time in a 1-0 game with under 5 minutes remaining? One rookie D per game please. Bring up Giroux. Bad late penalty taken by White. Shades of Colorado 2001. Why is Brown sitting against Toronto? Elias and Gionta are the last players I want in the box during OT. Another lost point to remember come April. Excellent performance by Schwabby. Condolences to the Stevens family.

And White shouldn't have retaliated but that is a pretty weak call that late in the game...only because Roberts fell

Are you surprised? Remember vs. the 'Canes a couple years ago in the playoffs. LATE in the 3rd, Holik takes a cross-checking penalty (or something). 'Canes score on the PP, tie the game and win in OT. Series over.

Martin was out of position on the Roberts goal. How does he see PK time in a 1-0 game with under 5 minutes remaining? One rookie D per game please. Bring up Giroux.


Ok, let's just think for a sec. Martin is a rookie and has been out for a couple games. He's going to make mistakes and remember, he's "replacing" Stevens. Again, every player is going to suck at least ONCE in an 82 game season.

:shakehead

Ok, let's just think for a sec. Martin is a rookie and has been out for a couple games. He's going to make mistakes and remember, he's "replacing" Stevens. Again, every player is going to suck at least ONCE in an 82 game season.

:shakeheadSo why should he get the opportunity to make a mistake on the PK that costs us a point with less than 5 minutes remaining in 1-0 game without Stevens and Brodeur? Let him suck with a 2-3 goal lead.

:confused:

So why should he get the opportunity to make a mistake that costs us a point with less than 5 minutes remaining in 1-0 game without Stevens and Brodeur? Let him suck with a 2-3 goal lead.

I don't know....**** happens. Martin (rookie) vs. Roberts (veteran). I'm just happy they got a point. On Mojo Radio in Toronto (AM 640), they're praising Schwab and saying he stole the point for NJ tonight.

I don't know....**** happens. Martin (rookie) vs. Roberts (veteran). I'm just happy they got a point. On Mojo Radio in Toronto (AM 640), they're praising Schwab and saying he stole the point for NJ tonight.

Nothing personal against you NJDB, AM 770 said Martin misplayed the goal, he should have eliminated Roberts. Would have been nice for Schwab to get the SO, after losing 1-0 in OT to the Leafs last year. Hopefully it makes no difference come playoffs.

Nothing personal against you NJDB, AM 770 said Martin misplayed the goal, he should have eliminated Roberts. Would have been nice for Schwab to get the SO, after losing 1-0 in OT to the Leafs last year. Hopefully it makes no difference come playoffs.

None taken. :rolly:

To blame Martin for the tie is crazy. NJ had many chances to put the game away. Misplaying the puck happens, like Rafalski last game (and no one was hanging Rafalski last game). Mojo Radio didn't say much about the goal, except how GREAT Roberts' shot was... :shakehead

MY GOD! Some Leaf fan just called in and said he though Roberts' took a dive!!! WOW!!! :lol:

None taken. :rolly:

To blame Martin for the tie is crazy. NJ had many chances to put the game away. Misplaying the puck happens, like Rafalski last game (and no one was hanging Rafalski last game). Mojo Radio didn't say much about the goal, except how GREAT Roberts' shot was... :shakehead

OK, I'll lighten up on Martin, but he misplayed the player not the puck, by not being in position, he was too high above the goal line,...and we won last game.

He screwed up and so be it. Can't defend the mistake (or mistakes). I just though we should keep in mind the guy is rookie and it'll happen. It could've been 5 mins in the 1st he messed up, but whatever. On to Ottawa.

He screwed up and so be it. Can't defend the mistake (or mistakes). I just though we should keep in mind the guy is rookie and it'll happen. It could've been 5 mins in the 1st he messed up, but whatever. On to Ottawa.

I blame Burns for having him out there in that situation, but I'll chalk it up as a learning experience for Paul.

Anyone know if Stevens will be back tomorrow night? Marty should be pumped for the Sens.

Mojo Radio praising Schwab on his diving save vs. Nolan. ...and some thought Schwab wasn't sharp for a guy who plays 10 games a year. :lol:

I blame Burns for having him out there in that situation, but I'll chalk it up as a learning experience for Paul.



I didn't see the game, but if you did, what d-man pairing was on before that? If it was Rafalski and or Niedermayer, did Burns have a choice? On the PK, you'd want White :shakehead (bonehead tonight), but I'd take it choices were limited.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores103/103311/20031107NHL--NEWJERSEY-0.htm

"I was thinking pass, but the 'D' kind of went off and gave me
the lane," Roberts said. "I just tried to put it up. The 'D'
was playing Alex (Mogilny)."

"It was a good shot," Schwab said. "I'm thinking he's going to
pass it out. Not many guys make that shot."

Mojo Radio praising Schwab on his diving save vs. Nolan. ...and some thought Schwab wasn't sharp for a guy who plays 10 games a year. :lol:

He made at least 2 or 3 excellent saves in this one and looked just the same consistency-wise as he did all of last season.

White is overated

Not that it would happen, but would you trade him for Vananen(sp)?

I blame Burns for having him out there in that situation, but I'll chalk it up as a learning experience for Paul.

Anyone know if Stevens will be back tomorrow night? Marty should be pumped for the Sens.

Thing is though, whats the point of having two prized rookie defenders learning on the job, if you have no intentions of ever challenging them? Up until the Roberts score, Martin was having himself a pretty nice game same as Hale was.

Trade I'd like to see if the near future

Colin White to anyone for a used jockstrap. I realize I am overestimating his worth.

The guy plays like a rookie, and he is how old? Like c'mon this is the NHL. He got tuned into the boards, deal with it, don't be a little ***** and take ANOTHER stupid penalty. I'm sick of this guy costing the Devils wins and points. Get rid of him now! He has had enough time to take that aspect out of his game and he hasn't done it, if he stays he will continue to cost the Devils. Trade him when we can actually get someting decent in return for him.

Also I loved the high sticking call on Rupp tonight. Good job by the zebras in getting that call right (can you sense the sarcasm?), and missing the blantant high stick Gionta put on Fitzgerald earlier, and not calling McCabe for diving. Excellent work tonight, they earned their paychecks for sure.

I didn't see the game, but if you did, what d-man pairing was on before that? If it was Rafalski and or Niedermayer, did Burns have a choice? On the PK, you'd want White :shakehead (bonehead tonight), but I'd take it choices were limited.
I didn't see it either, but they mentioned Martin's gaff immediately after the tally(on the radio), and I saw his positioning on the post-game highlights on MSG, so maybe I am basing my criticism on too little info.

Not that it would happen, but would you trade him for Vananen(sp)?

Done.

Hell I'd trade him for Steve Poapst or even the retired Chris McApline.

Trade I'd like to see if the near future

Colin White to anyone for a used jockstrap. I realize I am overestimating his worth.

The guy plays like a rookie, and he is how old? Like c'mon this is the NHL. He got tuned into the boards, deal with it, don't be a little ***** and take ANOTHER stupid penalty. I'm sick of this guy costing the Devils wins and points. Get rid of him now! He has had enough time to take that aspect out of his game and he hasn't done it, if he stays he will continue to cost the Devils. Trade him when we can actually get someting decent in return for him.



Well, I've heard both sides tonight: White took a BAD one, and Roberts' took a dive. It cost NJ 2 points, but it's one game in the regular season. White has improved since his early days, especially in the playoffs. Let's not banish the guy for a dumb play.

Done.

Hell I'd trade him for Steve Poapst or even the retired Chris McApline.

I'd rather bring back Daneyko before we go after McAlpine. :lol:

I didn't see the game, but if you did, what d-man pairing was on before that? If it was Rafalski and or Niedermayer, did Burns have a choice? On the PK, you'd want White :shakehead (bonehead tonight), but I'd take it choices were limited.

White and Niedermayer were on the ice when the retaliatory White penalty occurred. Madden lost the faceoff to Mats Sundin in his own zone to the right of Schwab -> Rafalksi failed to clear the puck out along the left wing boards -> Martin was playing the pass from Sundin to Roberts when Roberts skated straight down the goal line and put one in from a sick angle. If Rafalski clears the puck or Madden wins the faceoff this goal likely doesn't happen.

Also I loved the high sticking call on Rupp tonight. Good job by the zebras in getting that call right (can you sense the sarcasm?), and missing the blantant high stick Gionta put on Fitzgerald earlier, and not calling McCabe for diving. Excellent work tonight, they earned their paychecks for sure.

The Leafs got away with holding the stick a good bit also.

White and Niedermayer were on the ice when the retaliatory White penalty occurred. Madden lost the faceoff to Mats Sundin in his own zone to the right of Schwab -> Rafalksi failed to clear the puck out along the left wing boards -> Martin was playing the pass from Sundin to Roberts when Roberts skated straight down the goal line and put one in from a sick angle. If Rafalski clears the puck or Madden wins the faceoff this goal likely doesn't happen.

Yeah, good call. Nice play-by-play Unthinkable. :handclap:

The Leafs got away with holding the stick a good bit also.

Guess it wasn't that bad. The only holding the stick call was on Rupp. :shakehead

Tor 6 PP
NJ 3 PP

:dunno:

White and Niedermayer were on the ice when the retaliatory White penalty occurred. Madden lost the faceoff to Mats Sundin in his own zone to the right of Schwab -> Rafalksi failed to clear the puck out along the left wing boards -> Martin was playing the pass from Sundin to Roberts when Roberts skated straight down the goal line and put one in from a sick angle. If Rafalski clears the puck or Madden wins the faceoff this goal likely doesn't happen.

Thanks for the details.:)

NJ was 43% on FO tonight. Toronto has some good centermen, and that's with Nieuwy out.

My gf has wanted to see Antropov as a Devil for a while - why not trade White for Antropov.

Yeah, I was going to make him my sleeper pick in my pool. Luckly, I remembered something about him:


ALWAYS INJURED!

Well, I've heard both sides tonight: White took a BAD one, and Roberts' took a dive. It cost NJ 2 points, but it's one game in the regular season. White has improved since his early days, especially in the playoffs. Let's not banish the guy for a dumb play.

Ive hated him since his first game. It was a toss up between I Hate Tie DOMI or I Hate Colin White when coming up with my name. Im not banishing him for one play but rather for 4 or 5 years of play now where he consistently makes dumb plays and takes stupid undisciplined penalities.

Thanks for the details.:)

NJ was 43% on FO tonight. Toronto has some good centermen, and that's with Nieuwy out.

Yeah, not pretty eh. Sundin alone can pwn on faceoffs.

Now that I've seen the boxscore, anyone else shocked and disappointed Berglund only saw 8:42 of icetime?

If Rafalski clears the puck or Madden wins the faceoff this goal likely doesn't happen.

Or maybe Colin White doesn't take a penalty and ruins Corey Schwabs great game. That might have worked too.

Now that I've seen the boxscore, anyone else shocked and disappointed Berglund only saw 8:42 of icetime?


Yes, the worst part is once Marshall comes back, someone needs to go since I believe we will be over the player limit. To me that means Berglund is Albany bound, but would have to clear waivers I believe which I don't see him doing.

Ive hated him since his first game. It was a toss up between I Hate Tie DOMI or I Hate Colin White when coming up with my name. Im not banishing him for one play but rather for 4 or 5 years of play now where he consistently makes dumb plays and takes stupid undisciplined penalities.

:lol:

Or maybe Colin White doesn't take a penalty and ruins Corey Schwabs great game. That might have worked too.

This is great. Theory hockey!

I'll add to this. Yes, the mistakes happen, but NJ scores 2 goals and they win the game! :lol:

Now that I've seen the boxscore, anyone else shocked and disappointed Berglund only saw 8:42 of icetime?

Yeah I am, I thought Berglund played real well tonight and in the last game. I think it's time to put Berglund with Elias and Gomez.

Yes, the worst part is once Marshall comes back, someone needs to go since I believe we will be over the player limit. To me that means Berglund is Albany bound, but would have to clear waivers I believe which I don't see him doing.

Yeah, it seems Berglund will be trade bait or something come March. He's having a hard time either 1) Making the Lineup 2) Getting playing minutes.

Yeah I am, I thought Berglund played real well tonight and in the last game. I think it's time to put Berglund with Elias and Gomez.

Gionta is already doing an OK job with them so I wouldn't go that far. Dropping Friesen down a notch or two and Berglund picking up playing time from that crosses my mind though. Friesen has been invisible more often than not this year.

Yeah, it seems Berglund will be trade bait or something come March. He's having a hard time either 1) Making the Lineup 2) Getting playing minutes.

By March do you mean next week when Marshall is off the IR? :D

Or is Larionov going on the IR? What is his deal missing the past two games?

Yeah I am, I thought Berglund played real well tonight and in the last game. I think it's time to put Berglund with Elias and Gomez.

Me too, he has really worked hard all season going back to camp. The radio guys were praising him all night. He started with Eli and Gomer, but Gionta has earned a spot there as well. Seems like Berglund is rotating from 1st to scratch to 4th. Hate to see who goes down when Marshall comes back. I'm hoping for someone who doesn't have to clear waivers like Martin or Hale. Maybe Igor goes on IR retroactive until the picture gets clearer?

By March do you mean next week when Marshall if off the IR? :D

Or is Larionov going on the IR? What is his deal missing the past two games?


Bruised ribs and skating on his own during practice recently.

Gionta is already doing an OK job with them so I wouldn't go that far. Dropping Friesen down a notch or two and Berglund picking up playing time from that crosses my mind though. Friesen has been invisible more often than not this year.

Agreed on little G on the Elias line. Gionta drives hard to the net, finishes his checks, uses his speed and tenacity to get open, cycles down low, and does everything you could ask of him save for finishing more of his point blank scoring chances the way Jason King has with the Canucks. I still think a streaky and/or struggling Friesen will score triple or quadruple the number of goals and points that a healthy Christian Berglund will put up though. Berglund's assets to the team primarily revolve around his willingness to throw the body and play the role of a pest from time to time moreso then anything else imo. His physical play is already duplicated with players like Rupp, Marshall, Stevenson, and Rasmussen.

Berglund is playing great. He deserves a chance on the top line. Gionta is playing okay, but he should be dropped down to the third or fourth line until he shows he can score a goal now and then. Brian Gionta should be on the PP and the PK. If he can't score short-handed or with the man advantage, he may have to sit out a few games, not as a punishment, but for lack of production.

Friesen--Gomez--Elias
(Let's see what Patty can do on the off wing! It can't hurt for a few games anyway. This line has speed to burn BTW)
Brylin<-->Larionov/Rasmussen--Berglund
Pandolfo--Madden--Gionta/Langenbrunner
Langenbrunner/Gionta--Rupp--Stevenson/Marshall

Rafalski--Stevens
Niedermayer--White
Martin/Hale<-->Albelin/Brown

Brodeur
Schwab

What do you think? Do I have something with this new lineup? I just want to find a way to get this team to score more goals. Whatever works is fine by me. Ideas are welcome. Please submit to Pat Burns. :D

Just finished watching the game on tape....pretty good game I thought. Schwab looked really sharp for his first action of the season. Made some big saves. I thought the Devils created a lot of good chances, but just couldn't finish them off. Officiating was a little iffy, especially in the first period. Looking forward to the Sens game tonight....should be a dandy