Chistov

Who here would want Chistov back? For some, he might seem like a Jeff Friesen or Federov...play's extremely well when extremely motivated but plays average when not motivated.
To others, he shows a lot of promise! As for me, I am one who thinks Chistov would do AWESOME in the new NHL. Look at McDonald for instance. He had 35 goals last year. Thirty five goals people! The most he ever had in a season is 9, before last season! Why? Its the NEW nhl.

Chistov already has scored 12 goals in a season...in his ROOKIE year, in the OLD nhl. Plus, I think he has more talent then McDonald. Imagine what he can do coming back after not having played two years in the NHL...with that much more practice at perfecting his game, and being able to use his puck-handling skills to his advantage to drive the opposing defenders crazy in the NEW nhl.

People, if Selanne can keep his form from last year, as Andy Mac...and if Chistov can play up to the potential we know he can, that would be one heck of a first line. Remember back in the playoffs against Red-wings how well Chistov played? Who here honestly can say that if that is the Chistov that comes to play next year, that they would not want him on the team?

I personally believe Chistov is in the top 5 of the NHL when it comes to puckhandling skills. To have a guy like that, along with guys like Getzlaf and Perry will only make the team better. And the line combinations would be killer. Say he isn't paired on the Selanne line. Can you imagine a Getzlaf -Perry-Chistov line? That would be tons of talent.

Come on guys. Who would like to see Chistov back? I sure would.

Who here would want Chistov back? For some, he might seem like a Jeff Friesen or Federov...play's extremely well when extremely motivated but plays average when not motivated.
To others, he shows a lot of promise! As for me, I am one who thinks Chistov would do AWESOME in the new NHL. Look at McDonald for instance. He had 35 goals last year. Thirty five goals people! The most he ever had in a season is 9, before last season! Why? Its the NEW nhl.
Chistov already has scored 12 goals in a season...in his ROOKIE year, in the OLD nhl. Plus, I think he has more talent then McDonald. Imagine what he can do coming back after not having played two years in the NHL...with that much more practice at perfecting his game, and being able to use his puck-handling skills to his advantage to drive the opposing defenders crazy in the NEW nhl.
People, if Selanne can keep his form from last year, as Andy Mac...and if Chistov can play up to the potential we know he can, that would be one heck of a first line. Remember back in the playoffs against Red-wings how well Chistov played? Who here honestly can say that if that is the Chistov that comes to play next year, that they would not want him on the team?
I personally believe Chistov is in the top 5 of the NHL when it comes to puckhandling skills. To have a guy like that, along with guys like Getzlaf and Perry will only make the team better. And the line combinations would be killer. Say he isn't paired on the Selanne line. Can you imagine a Getzlaf -Perry-Chistov line? That would be tons of talent.
Come on guys. Who would like to see Chistov back? I sure would.

It's hard to keep praising his rookie season when he slumped so bad afterwards. I really hope that we see him in camp, because I think he could do wonders as well, but I'm not gonna say he will dominate. For all we know, he could start here, be sent down, piss and moan, and then go back to Russia again.

He's an unknown quantity. Let's get him into camp and see how he looks. If he can't cut it, send him home again.

It's hard to say how relevant his '02-'03 performance is, especially in view of his poor following season and the fact that three years have passed. The is also a new NHL, a new Ducks system, and lots of changes in coaching, management, and teammates. He is older and more experienced.

No one will really know by examining the past. Only when he gets ice time with the club will we have any real idea of how good he is.

People in Russia weren't too thrilled with him either. Cheesy had a good rookie year and disappeared in the next three. The problem I have is this is the new NHL but it benefits players who work hard. Cheesy doesn't work hard, ever. Yeah he's got great hands but all he ever wants to do is skate around people. Opponents figured that out in 03-04 and look what happened.

If he can swallow his pride and take a two-way deal than I say welcome back and fight for a spot. Problem is he won't because he will get more money in Russia and Burke won't cave on giving him a one-way deal.

The main thing is we don't NEED Chistov. Sure if he plays like he can than he can be useful but this season showed we are fine without him. I would much rather see Konopka on this team because he works extremely hard but I don't even see that happening. Our best option is to trade Chistov for a draft pick and move on.

If Cheesy can come back motivated i'm all for him coming back as a Ducks.
SSSSSAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWYYYYYYEEEEEEEE

chistov will be back just watch!

It's hard to keep praising his rookie season when he slumped so bad afterwards. I really hope that we see him in camp, because I think he could do wonders as well, but I'm not gonna say he will dominate.

Pretty much agree with this. :) :teach:

when I was doing research on the 2001 draft review article, in addition to what I wrote in the article about Chistov (http://hockeysfuture.com/article.php?sid=8838&mode=threaded&order=0) I can also tell you that Anaheim were pleased with his production in Russia. The main issue is money and the contract. Chistov doesn't want to go back to the AHL. The team doesn't want to pay him the money he's asking for unless it's a two way contract. So not counting any sort of action this summer (trade, contract etc) he'll be invited to training camp and they'll go from there. The information about the RSL's salary cap and their projected budget for next year is very interesting as well as that could force Chistov's hand on whether or not he comes back to North America.

I feel like we just recently had a thread on this topic...

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=251163 (Stanislav Chistov)

oh yeah.. there it is.. just one page back.. :sarcasm:

Go Brian!! Put together a team that can go all the way next year!!

I think that if he's sent down to the AHL he'll just stuff it and come back over here. The AHL is weaker than Russia, he'll be getting less money than he would back home, and he won't want to be there. Never good.

People in Russia weren't too thrilled with him either. Cheesy had a good rookie year and disappeared in the next three. The problem I have is this is the new NHL but it benefits players who work hard. Cheesy doesn't work hard, ever. Yeah he's got great hands but all he ever wants to do is skate around people. Opponents figured that out in 03-04 and look what happened.

Like who?

when I was doing research on the 2001 draft review article, in addition to what I wrote in the article about Chistov (http://hockeysfuture.com/article.php?sid=8838&mode=threaded&order=0) I can also tell you that Anaheim were pleased with his production in Russia. The main issue is money and the contract. Chistov doesn't want to go back to the AHL. The team doesn't want to pay him the money he's asking for unless it's a two way contract. So not counting any sort of action this summer (trade, contract etc) he'll be invited to training camp and they'll go from there. The information about the RSL's salary cap and their projected budget for next year is very interesting as well as that could force Chistov's hand on whether or not he comes back to North America.
I think that's fair. Because if he has a good camp he'll probably get his one way deal.

I think that's fair. Because if he has a good camp he'll probably get his one way deal.

But the RSL's season starts before the NHL's, so Chistov would basically have to have his decision made before attending camp.

But the RSL's season starts before the NHL's, so Chistov would basically have to have his decision made before attending camp.

Can he come to camp without a contract?

Like who?

A couple guys on the Russia boards. In all fairness though it was only a couple.

Can he come to camp without a contract?

Yes, it happens all the time. Its a professional try out. You usually see alot of role players and 4th line type players doing this.

Yes, it happens all the time. Its a professional try out. You usually see alot of role players and 4th line type players doing this.

Prospects do it quite often as well, which is probably closer to what Chistov is. However, it's unlikely he'd take time away from the RSL season to come to camp, if he's signed by an RSL team.

People in Russia weren't too thrilled with him either. Cheesy had a good rookie year and disappeared in the next three. The problem I have is this is the new NHL but it benefits players who work hard. Cheesy doesn't work hard, ever. That's a misleading (false) comment. I was actually surprised to see how hard he worked in some RSL games this year.
Not to say he didn't show flaws in his game this season, or that he was consistently there, but still..

Mind me asking, what's Chistov's current contract status with Anaheim anyway? and where can we find his stats for his season in Russia?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid%5B%5D=56740

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid%5B%5D=56740
That doesn't have play off stats. He was 4+4 in the playoffs, in 11 games.

And as numbers mean nothing without comparison, that put him 12th in the league in scoring in total, and joint 17th in the regular station.

This (http://www.rushockey.com/playerstats.php) is a better site for Russian things.

Looks like he wasn't offered a QO and has been set free. Good riddence, the guy was just not willing to earn his spot on this team. I'm so sick hearing how "good" his rookie year was. He only scored 12 goals, which is alright I guess. To compare Zetterberg had 21. He was awful the next season and almost as bad the season after that. This year he was pretty good in Russia and probably deserved to come back over but he wants the kind of money he used to get and that won't happen. I'm sure he'll sign in the NHL with someone but he won't be tha good. I watched some old tapes and the guy doesn't skate hard, is easy to knock of the puck, and clutches and grabs a lot. Yeah this is the New NHL and I think he'll be even worse than before.

Got a link to where it say's anything about him not getting on offer?

He had a horrible second season

butI think he would still make a good nhler

Got a link to where it say's anything about him not getting on offer?

he got q'd

however

if he does not sign and come over

I think under the new cba he walks after next season

I for one would like to see Cheesy in Anaheim at least one more time. You never know. :)

GL Cheesy and Burke! :)

Got a link to where it say's anything about him not getting on offer?

That article in the OC Register didn't mention him amongst the ones with QO's. I don't know why we're still talking about this guy, he wasn't good enough to be signed last season when we were a rebuilding team and he definitely doesn't have a spot here now that we are contenders.

That article in the OC Register didn't mention him amongst the ones with QO's. I don't know why we're still talking about this guy, he wasn't good enough to be signed last season when we were a rebuilding team and he definitely doesn't have a spot here now that we are contenders.
They didn't say anything about him; but they note other players by name in a closed list. They don't say "everyone else" or anything at the end.

Have they said anything about Melin the past years? We've been sending QOs to him each year too, but I've never seen his name pop up.

They didn't say anything about him; but they note other players by name in a closed list. They don't say "everyone else" or anything at the end.

Have they said anything about Melin the past years? We've been sending QOs to him each year too, but I've never seen his name pop up.

Good point. I feel though that the subject of Chistov being retained or not deserves some press.

it would be nice if we found out everyone who was retained or not like fedoruk?

it would be nice if we found out everyone who was retained or not like fedoruk?
Fedoruk is still under contract for next season

I feel though that the subject of Chistov being retained or not deserves some press.

While I agree with you maybe Dan Wood and the Times guy don't.

Have they said anything about Melin the past years? We've been sending QOs to him each year too, but I've never seen his name pop up.

Melin didn't get a QO prior to this year. He was a European prospect who under the old CBA could play in Europe for as long as wanted until he got signed by the team that drafted him. The new CBA changed that rule and so it forced the Ducks hand on signing players like Melin.

Martensson received a QO last offseason to keep his rights as an outstanding RFA and I don't recall it being widely reported. The same goes with how the team kept hold of A.J. Niemi's rights right up until two seasons ago (I believe).

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/pros/mightyducks/article_1199961.php

Some more news about Cheesy. :)

The Ducks have had conversations with the representative for Stanislav Chistov about bringing back the Russian left wing. Chistov, the fifth overall selection in the 2001 entry draft, played for the Ducks in 2002-03 and 2003-04 but spent last season with Metallurg Magnitogorsk in Russia.

If Chistov can come back and play well for the Ducks, it will only prove Randy Carlyle as a damn good coach. IMO, Babcock talks a good game but was horrible in developing our kids. He almost ruined Vish's confidence and Chistov played horrible without Stumpy Thomas. Chistov should thrive playing in our forechecking system and transitional game.

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/pros/mightyducks/article_1199961.php

Some more news about Cheesy. :)

Hedstrom update in that article as well...:

Burke said indications are that Swedish right wing Jonathan Hedstrom, who left the Ducks during the playoffs, has decided to remain with his family and not return to the team. If so, Hedstrom's $512,500 figure would come off the club's salary cap.

At the draft it was mentioned that the Ducks might have the best amount of young guns in the league. Add Chistov to that mix, who already has NHL experience, and it only adds to the amount of youth the Ducks have at the forwards position. Getzlaf is going to be a number one center in the league. Now if Shannon can take the next step from the AHL to the NHL, as well as he did from college to the AHL, that will only add to the talent the Ducks have at center and in their core of young players.

-Lupul
-Penner
-Getzlaf
-Perry
-Ryan
-Chistov
-Shannon

...not too shabby

(lines of future)

-Perry -Getzlaf -Ryan
-Penner -Shannon -Lupul
-Chistov - Brent -Parenteau
- Swan -Petteri Wirtanen - Drew Miller

TSN report:

"The Ducks have had conversations with the representative for Stanislav Chistov about bringing back the Russian left wing. Chistov, the fifth overall selection in the 2001 entry draft, played for the Ducks in 2002-03 and 2003-04 but spent last season with Metallurg Magnitogorsk in Russia. - Orange County Register"

At the draft it was mentioned that the Ducks might have the best amount of young guns in the league. Add Chistov to that mix, who already has NHL experience, and it only adds to the amount of youth the Ducks have at the forwards position. Getzlaf is going to be a number one center in the league. Now if Shannon can take the next step from the AHL to the NHL, as well as he did from college to the AHL, that will only add to the talent the Ducks have at center and in their core of young players.

-Lupul
-Penner
-Getzlaf
-Perry
-Ryan
-Chistov
-Shannon

...not too shabby

(lines of future)

-Perry -Getzlaf -Ryan
-Penner -Shannon -Lupul
-Chistov - Brent -Parenteau
- Swan -Petteri Wirtanen - Drew Miller

You seriously overrate Shannon.

You seriously overrate Shannon.

Agreed, he is definetly not ready for the NHL any time soon.

I'll pretty much stop writing if Anaheim's roster is made up of entirely developed prospects in the system. Sure it would be great if everyone from Ryan right through to Swan work out and play for the Ducks, but the chances of all of those guys actually making it to the NHL, let alone making an impact, is as likely as Pepper replacing Burkie as the GM (first deal is to trade away Pahlsson, then putting Konopka on Selanne's line...I kid, I kid).

Look around the league, every single team (successful, also-ran and just plain horrid) has a mix of veteran players and young players that they acquire through trades, free agency and the draft. It's just plain foolish to hope, let alone expect that these younguns all one day play at the Pond, especially at the same time.

Look around the league, every single team (successful, also-ran and just plain horrid) has a mix of veteran players and young players that they acquire through trades, free agency and the draft. It's just plain foolish to hope, let alone expect that these younguns all one day play at the Pond, especially at the same time.

It's funny, I remember that I used to do stuff like MightyAdam did (future lines made up of all prospects) when I was a young kid also, so I can understand what he's doing. He must be younger, that's all.

It's funny, I remember that I used to do stuff like MightyAdam did (future lines made up of all prospects) when I was a young kid also, so I can understand what he's doing. He must be younger, that's all.

I used to kind of play with potential future lines like that too, for several teams ... until I realized that only a small handful of those players pan out. I remember looking at old issues of THN's Future Watch, and seeing how their top 50 prospects panned out. There were about a half dozen impact players, a few decent players, about a dozen journeymen, and the rest didn't even manage better than a cup of coffee. Many never even came close to making it. And out of all the ones that made it, hardly any did it with their original team.

I remember about 10 years ago, SJ had a half dozen guys impressing folks at the WJC, and everyone was talking about how loaded that team would be in a few years. Out of those, not a one ended up as an impact player for them. The Ducks had a similar situation, where a bunch of their prospects were dazzling people at the WJC, making THN's top 50 list, etc. One by one, they ended up as scrubs ... Aalto, Davidsson, Karpov, Marha, Balmochnykh, Banham, the list goes on.

It's funny, I remember that I used to do stuff like MightyAdam did (future lines made up of all prospects) when I was a young kid also, so I can understand what he's doing. He must be younger, that's all.

Once, I created Balmochnykh and Vishnevski on my PS2 video game. I think they helped me win the Cup that season...

;)

Once, I created Balmochnykh and Vishnevski on my PS2 video game. I think they helped me win the Cup that season...

;)

Ahh, the power of Maxim Balmochnykh. :sarcasm:

I'll pretty much stop writing if Anaheim's roster is made up of entirely developed prospects in the system. Sure it would be great if everyone from Ryan right through to Swan work out and play for the Ducks, but the chances of all of those guys actually making it to the NHL, let alone making an impact, is as likely as Pepper replacing Burkie as the GM (first deal is to trade away Pahlsson, then putting Konopka on Selanne's line...I kid, I kid).

Look around the league, every single team (successful, also-ran and just plain horrid) has a mix of veteran players and young players that they acquire through trades, free agency and the draft. It's just plain foolish to hope, let alone expect that these younguns all one day play at the Pond, especially at the same time.

I said of the future. And I didn't say they would all make it. And a person does not have to be young to make line combinations. All they have to do is be creative. If creative is considered young then is dull and boring considered being older? I am in my early 20's, so yes, many would consider that young.

I know it is good to have veterans. But one day, all of those names have as good a chance of any prospect of being veterans. And so it was, yes, based on the notion they all would make it. So no, it was not foolish on my behalf. Its just, I think you mis-understood the point of my post. Thats all for ya guys.

I said of the future. And I didn't say they would all make it. And a person does not have to be young to make line combinations. All they have to do is be creative. If creative is considered young then is dull and boring considered being older? I am in my early 20's, so yes, many would consider that young.

I know it is good to have veterans. But one day, all of those names have as good a chance of any prospect of being veterans. And so it was, yes, based on the notion they all would make it. So no, it was not foolish on my behalf. Its just, I think you mis-understood the point of my post. Thats all for ya guys.
I am actually surprised that you're older than me :shock:

Anyway, you're still wrong as once those guys are vets, none of them would be the younger players.

According to ahti from ALLDUCKS

Today they announce jersey numbers of Magnitogorsk Metallurg players for next season and ... there is no #23. No Chistov on the list, so I guess we can be pretty sure he is coming back! Will he get place in our roster, will he be traded, ...? These are not the questions I can answer today, but it looks very much certain his destination is NHL!

metallurg home site http://www.metallurg.ru/team/ (in Russian)

Looks more and more like Cheesy has or is close to signing with Anaheim!!! :clap:

GL BURKE AND CHEESY! :)

According to ahti from ALLDUCKS



Looks more and more like Cheesy has or is close to signing with Anaheim!!! :clap:

GL BURKE AND CHEESY! :)

That or he signs with another Russian club. It's not like he has to stay with Magnitorosk. If Cheesy does get signed I will start the Offical Let's Get Konopka On This Team Before Chistov campaign. Stan's got talent but we are a team of guys who give it their all ever game. We have no room for primadona's who refuse to play in the minors.

He can also sign with them after camp. The NHL is strange in that it starts and finishes after all the other leagues, so camp clashes with the start of the season.

That or he signs with another Russian club. It's not like he has to stay with Magnitorosk. If Cheesy does get signed I will start the Offical Let's Get Konopka On This Team Before Chistov campaign. Stan's got talent but we are a team of guys who give it their all ever game. We have no room for primadona's who refuse to play in the minors.

I dont know about that, chistov wasent so much set againt playing in the minors but he felt dissed by the organization for putting him on the back burner in 04 and punishing him for things that werent his fault but at the same time he was young and he's learned.

I dont know about that, chistov wasent so much set againt playing in the minors but he felt dissed by the organization for putting him on the back burner in 04 and punishing him for things that werent his fault but at the same time he was young and he's learned.

Going goal-less for half a season's worth of games wasn't his fault?

I dont know about that, chistov wasent so much set againt playing in the minors but he felt dissed by the organization for putting him on the back burner in 04 and punishing him for things that werent his fault but at the same time he was young and he's learned.


The reason he didn't back last year was because he wasn't willing to sign another two-way deal. It's obvious he doesn't like playing in the minors but the dude has to prove he belongs here.

The reason he didn't back last year was because he wasn't willing to sign another two-way deal. It's obvious he doesn't like playing in the minors but the dude has to prove he belongs here.

exactly... he hated cincy and he can make more money in russia than the ahl.

We've heard he wantst come back, but I'm sure they will have to each make concessions to make it happen.

I'd like to see a 1-way contract with lower base but decent bonuses...

exactly... he hated cincy and he can make more money in russia than the ahl.

We've heard he wantst come back, but I'm sure they will have to each make concessions to make it happen.

I'd like to see a 1-way contract with lower base but decent bonuses...

If he gets a one-way deal it should be a low salary like 500k. If he takes a two-way deal I'd gladly have him over here. I just can't stand the idea having him here, sucking and being stuck with him. He wasn't very good the last time he was here and furthermore less impressive the next two years. I've had it up to here with his potential crap.

Going goal-less for half a season's worth of games wasn't his fault?

Hey, he hit a lot of posts in that half-season.

Hey, he hit a lot of posts in that half-season.

And he never shot the damn puck either.