2006-07 and more - Complete Salary Chart [Archive]

Snap Wilson

06-15-2006, 03:57 PM

Just a little something I posted elsewhere:

Some clarification on the committed salaries for next year. I'm getting differing accounts on some of these numbers, but so far these seem like the most reliable totals. I'm not including any minimum salary players:

S. Niedermayer $6,750,000
Jiggy: $3,990,000
Teemu: $3,750,000
Marchant: $2,517,500 (through 2009.... yeesh)
R. Niedermayer: $2,000,000
O'Donnell: $1,691,000
Getzlaf: $900,600
Perry: $684,000
Pahlsson: $625,000
Penner: $507,000
Beauchemin: $500,000

That's $23,915,100 for eleven players. Now for our RFAs. I've listed the minimum qualifying offer for each:

Vishnevski: $1,140,000
Lupul: $945,630
McDonald: $726,000
Kunitz: $508,090
Bryz: $501,600
Fridge: $495,000

Adding these players at the minimum QO we have $28,231,420 for seventeen players. Now of course probably all of these guys are going to return for much more than the QO but let's come back to that.

Let's assume that we're going again with a 22-man roster. I'll add the remaining five spots with minimum salary guys. That's another $2,250,000 bringing us to a grand total of $30,481,420 for a 22-man roster.

Making yet another assumption that Burke's serious about the payroll ceiling is $38 million (I'm dubious) we have roughly 7.5 million to spend on resigning our free agents and/or acquiring new players. That should dispel any myths about us getting Chara unless Jiggy is traded away.

Some speculation on what our free agents might sign for: Vish will come in somewhere between $1.3 and $1.6 million. His last negotiations went pretty smoothly, so maybe they will this time as well.

Kunitz: Somewhere between $600 and $800k, unless he thinks his 20 goals represents his true level of ability. Not a player I'd be afraid to play hardball with.

Fridge: No more than $600k. The value of an enforcer was dubious before, and it's dropping now. He's otherwise a nice player, but hardly an essential piece. If Burke gives him any more than that, he's mental.

Now for the hard ones:

Bryz: Anywhere between $1.5 and $2 million. Not sure he's shown that he's earned anything more than that. Could be a testy negotiation.

Lupul: 28 goals is worth... what? I think $2 million is fine for him, but he and his agent might disagree with that.

Andy Mac: This is going to be the tough one. I think an ideal salary puts him at $2.5 million until he shows the scoring surge is for real, but obviously he's going to shoot for a lot more than that. If I were in his place, I'd be arguing that $3 to $3.5 million is more representative of his ability. Teemu's salary at least puts something of a ceiling on that (hey, he had a better year than you). If I were a betting man (wait, I am) I would bet that this is the negotiation that goes on the longest. It will definitely be the most interesting to follow.

Unless things go amazingly smoothly, I don't know that we can keep Jiggy, resign everyone else AND replace Rusty with an equitable d-man. The numbers don't add up for me. I know Burke will just go out and get his guy and tell his RFAs "screw you, this is what I'm offering, take it or leave it." That's his style.

Right now, I'm guessing Jiggy gets dealt, strictly for financial reasons.

Hank

06-15-2006, 06:49 PM

Vish will come in somewhere between $1.3 and $1.6 million. His last negotiations went pretty smoothly, so maybe they will this time as well.

If that's the price tag, PASS! DiPenta at 500k sounds like a much better option to me.

Bryz: Anywhere between $1.5 and $2 million. Not sure he's shown that he's earned anything more than that. Could be a testy negotiation.

2 million is double what I'd pay him, my top offer would be a million and he can play in Russia if he thinks he can do better than that.

Ducksforcup

06-15-2006, 08:35 PM

Just an update guys. Moen is making $475,000 this year; a very reasonable amount. :)

stalbert1

06-15-2006, 08:43 PM

Just an update guys. Moen is making $475,000 this year; a very reasonable amount. :)

Yep. Underpaid really, I hope the he can sqeak by on such a pidly amount. :sarcasm:

Randall Graves*

06-15-2006, 09:44 PM

Updated for the Moen signing.

www.braincramp.org
I still think you're giving Lupul a bit too much I think he'll be at about 1.3

I heard somewhere Burke wants to be around 38 million so after signing Lupul, McDonald, Bryz and Vish we have enough money to sign ONE impact player which would have to be a dman if Salei is gone.

if we want two impact guys..Gigueres salary has to be removed.

I wonder if money will be a deciding factor between playing Smid or guys like Kondratiev/O'brien

Snap Wilson

06-15-2006, 10:40 PM

If that's the price tag, PASS! DiPenta at 500k sounds like a much better option to me.

Well, you may as well pass on him now. He's making $1.14 million.

Ducksforcup

06-15-2006, 10:40 PM

Well, you may as well pass on him now. He's making $1.14 million.

I hope we bring back Joey. :)

Snap Wilson

06-15-2006, 10:42 PM

I hope we bring back Joey. :)

Hard to imagine why we wouldn't. I like him fine as a #6/#7 guy.

TheJoeMan

06-15-2006, 11:47 PM

Just an update guys. Moen is making $475,000 this year; a very reasonable amount. :)

This is another example of a player taking a modest raise so he can be apart of the big picture. I hope this really filters down to the whole squad so everyone gets on board and leaves room for a couple of improvements.

Spankatola Jamnuts

06-16-2006, 01:20 AM

Not like he would have gotten a whole lot more elsewhere.

Ducksforcup

06-16-2006, 01:23 AM

Not like he would have gotten a whole lot more elsewhere.

You never can tell.

bleuer

06-16-2006, 06:47 AM

Spend the money on a top D and bring a kid from Portland up...

Irish Blues

06-16-2006, 08:06 AM

Snap Wilson

06-16-2006, 10:42 AM

O'Donnell's salary for '06-07 is $1.52M, his cap number is $1.634M.

O'Donnell's salary, per TSN (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=157820&hubname=):

"O'Donnell, who earns $1.748-million this season, waived his no-trade clause to allow this deal to happen and he will make $1.634-million next season."

Since those are the only two post-cap seasons he's signed for, the cap average is between those two salaries. Hence, $1,691-million.

braincramp

06-16-2006, 04:32 PM

I bumped Moen up to the $475,000 mentioned in the OCRegister and by Ducksforcup. Following on moneyp's thought, I increased all RFA amounts to at least the minimum qualifying offer; some were already above that amount.

Remarks by Irish Blues and moneyp regarding players who have a salary which differs from their cap hit caused some soul-searching; I finally chose to enter actual salaries because I believe the cash budget will be more significant than the total cap in determining the choices of personnel for this season, which is what the spreadsheet is intended to focus on. The differences are small in total when compared to a number in the $38-42-million range (easily < 1%).

braincramp

06-16-2006, 08:07 PM

So much for the ticket price freeze . . .

http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/la-sp-tickets16jun16,1,7839324.story?ctrack=1&cset=true (http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/la-sp-tickets16jun16,1,7839324.story?ctrack=1&cset=true)

"According to Tim Ryan, chief executive of Anaheim Arena Management, a "facilities" fee will be attached to every ticket purchased for an event at the Pond, including Ducks games.

For every ticket to a Ducks game priced above $25, a $3 facility fee will be required, team officials confirmed. Tickets costing $25 or less will be assessed a $1.50 fee."

braincramp

06-16-2006, 08:38 PM

Irish Blues

06-16-2006, 08:48 PM

O'Donnell's salary, per TSN (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=157820&hubname=):

"O'Donnell, who earns $1.748-million this season, waived his no-trade clause to allow this deal to happen and he will make $1.634-million next season."

Since those are the only two post-cap seasons he's signed for, the cap average is between those two salaries. Hence, $1,691-million.
I researched this, I guarantee it's $1.52M this season. I'll have a link on it shortly.

Edit: This was the proposal the NHLPA sent to the NHL on December 9, 2004. (http://nhlpa.com/Proposal/NHLPAcomProposal.pdf) Exhibit 2 shows the contracted salary of all players (who had been on an NHL roster for at least 90 days in '03-04) for '04-05: According to this, O'Donnell was scheduled to make $1.7M in 2004-05. I also have Exhibit 7 from the counterproposal back to the NHLPA (http://nhl.speedera.net/nhlcba/news/121404/exhibit7.pdf) which shows O'Donnell's '04-05 salary was $1.7M.

Exhibit 3 shows the contracted salary of all players (who had been on an NHL roster for at least 90 days in '03-04) who were signed for '05-06 and beyond. According to this, O'Donnell was scheduled to make $2.3M in '05-06 and $2M in '06-07.

So... $4.3M (the remaining salary) * .76 (the 24% adjustment) = $3,268,000 (post-rollback salary) / 2 years = $1,634,000

Spankatola Jamnuts

06-16-2006, 10:11 PM

You never can tell.
Dude. You can tell.

Ducksforcup

06-16-2006, 10:13 PM

Dude. You can tell.

I know. ;) :p: I was just pulling your leg from my comfy :GWC:. :D

BTW, that is an awesome chair smiley. :handclap:

Grant Dovey

06-16-2006, 10:43 PM

Mine is updated with Moen.

Jerky Leclerc

06-16-2006, 10:49 PM

Assuming we sold out every home game,

We could have another Scott Niedermayer for $9.59 per seat.
Trade Giguere and save $5.66 per seat.
Get another Pahlsson for $0.93 per seat.
Get a $9-million power forward for $12.78 per seat. :D

How many hot dogs do we need to sell to sign Joe sakic?

Ducksforcup

06-16-2006, 11:06 PM

How many hot dogs do we need to sell to sign Joe sakic?

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? :)

mmbt

06-17-2006, 12:07 AM

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? :)

Using licking machines (which sound like they have a lot of potential for fun) a study at Purdue found it takes 364 licks, while a similar experiment at Michigan took 411 licks on average. But human volunteers in other studies usually took significantly fewer licks to reach the center.

Earl Sleek

06-17-2006, 01:16 AM

Assuming we sold out every home game,

We could have another Scott Niedermayer for $9.59 per seat.
Trade Giguere and save $5.66 per seat.
Get another Pahlsson for $0.93 per seat.
Get a $9-million power forward for $12.78 per seat. :D

There is no such thing as "another Pahlsson". If there were, I would say get as many as we could possibly get.

Spankatola Jamnuts

06-17-2006, 01:28 AM

Using licking machines (which sound like they have a lot of potential for fun) a study at Purdue found it takes 364 licks, while a similar experiment at Michigan took 411 licks on average. But human volunteers in other studies usually took significantly fewer licks to reach the center.
Whatever. That learned owl said it took three.

mmbt

06-17-2006, 01:30 AM

Whatever. That learned owl said it took three.

Yeah, but everyone knows that owl licks are many times more powerful than human licks.

Spankatola Jamnuts

06-17-2006, 01:41 AM

But he was learned. I'm sure he was pro-rating it for the owl-to-human conversion.

Pwnasaurus

06-19-2006, 08:08 AM

Whatever. That learned owl said it took three.

That's Mr.Owl to you.

braincramp

06-19-2006, 05:42 PM

Updated for DiPenta signing.

www.braincramp.org (http://www.braincramp.org)

Grant Dovey

06-21-2006, 01:31 AM

Updated with DiPenta.

Ducksforcup

06-21-2006, 05:32 PM

K guys, here is Joey's salary for next season. :)

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/pros/mightyducks/article_1186829.php

The Mighty Ducks on Monday announced the signing of defenseman Joe DiPenta to a one-year, $500,000 contract.

Great job Burkey!!! :clap:

Jerky Leclerc

06-24-2006, 05:32 AM

PM Bouchard signed a 1 year deal for 1.85 million dollar. I think this is an indication Lupul will get over 2 million dollars. I think he's going to get Frolov money around 2.5 mil.

braincramp

06-24-2006, 04:04 PM

PM Bouchard signed a 1 year deal for 1.85 million dollar. I think this is an indication Lupul will get over 2 million dollars. I think he's going to get Frolov money around 2.5 mil.

If so, AndyMac will undoubtably go for more; I currently have him plugged in at $2.5-million.

Another $5.5-million for these two would put the Ducks slightly over $30-million for 13 players, with Bryz, Vish, and Salei/replacement still to come, maybe $5-million for all three. That leaves 6-7 players still to be found/signed.

braincramp

06-27-2006, 12:55 PM

Updated for qualifying offer status and corrected some other contract information.

www.braincramp.org

braincramp

06-27-2006, 09:30 PM

The NHLPA site has posted '06-'07 salaries.

www.nhlpa.com/WebStats/PlayerSearchV2.asp?OIDTeam=8375

mmbt

06-27-2006, 10:35 PM

If so, AndyMac will undoubtably go for more; I currently have him plugged in at $2.5-million.

Another $5.5-million for these two would put the Ducks slightly over $30-million for 13 players, with Bryz, Vish, and Salei/replacement still to come, maybe $5-million for all three. That leaves 6-7 players still to be found/signed.

Well for what it's worth, Tim Ryan apparently told season ticket holders during seat selection that the Ducks have enough room for a big-name acquisition. Now, what constitutes a, "big name," is anyone's guess.

braincramp

06-27-2006, 11:01 PM

Well for what it's worth, Tim Ryan apparently told season ticket holders during seat selection that the Ducks have enough room for a big-name acquisition. Now, what constitutes a, "big name," is anyone's guess.

Sounds like they're going beyond the $38-million budget spoken of earlier. If the big name is a D, however, we can knock off $2-million for Rusty, because he's gone.

mmbt

06-27-2006, 11:06 PM

Sounds like they're going beyond the $38-million budget spoken of earlier. If the big name is a D, however, we can knock off $2-million for Rusty, because he's gone.

Supposedly he told the season ticket holders the budget is around 41-42 mil. Not that they necessarily have to use all of it in the summer.

Spankatola Jamnuts

06-27-2006, 11:19 PM

The only big names that make sense for us are defensemen. I think we can get the job done relatively cheaply at forward.

Unless we acquire Pronger. You'd have to think we'd be giving up some of our forward depth to do that.

Hank

06-30-2006, 10:26 PM

If so, AndyMac will undoubtably go for more; I currently have him plugged in at $2.5-million.

The Sedin's new 3.5 million per year deal should set the bar for Andy Mac, IMO.

braincramp

07-03-2006, 02:08 PM

Updated for Lupul/Smid/Pronger trade.

www.braincramp.org

braincramp

07-05-2006, 07:02 PM

Updated for McDonald signing, Friesen departure.

www.braincramp.org

Ducksforcup

07-05-2006, 07:23 PM

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=170595&hubname=nhl

The Anaheim Ducks have re-signed centre Andy McDonald to a three-year contract worth $9.9 million. McDonald will receive $3.3 million per year over the three year deal.

Hmm, I think that is a pretty good contract. :)

TheJoeMan

07-05-2006, 07:33 PM

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=170595&hubname=nhl

Hmm, I think that is a pretty good contract. :)

Yeah, you could say that. Quite a wedding gift from Burke. Man, we can kiss the chance at getting an UFA vet goodbye. Attention Konopka and Chistov, you guys better bring everything you've got.

Duckstudd269

07-05-2006, 07:37 PM

Yeah, you could say that. Quite a wedding gift from Burke. Man, we can kiss the chance at getting an UFA vet goodbye. Attention Konopka and Chistov, you guys better bring everything you've got.

My thoughts exactly..:shakehead

I think the guy that will have to step is Perry. I always argued that Lupul would be better then Perry, but it's time for him to prove me wrong.

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf

07-05-2006, 09:36 PM

Even with the McDonald signing, we're perfectly fine. Looking at braincramp's page(Pronger only makes $6.25 million, BTW), if Bryz, Vish and Kunitz all sign for about those estimates, which they probably will(exceed that amount by maybe $1 million total), we'll be at about $39 million. Add up three spares at about $1.5 million total, and we'll most certainly have enough room to add a forward of some sort. Even if we don't, we should be fine.

braincramp

07-05-2006, 09:40 PM

This leaves us with the following signed/QOs who are fairly certain to play:

4 Centers: Getzlaf, Marchant, McDonald, Pahlsson
7 Wings: Fedoruk, Kunitz, Moen, Niedermayer, Perry, Penner, Selanne
6 Defensemen: Beauchamin, DiPenta, Niedermayer, O'Donnell, Pronger, Vishnevski

Ducksforcup

07-05-2006, 09:43 PM

braincramp

07-05-2006, 09:47 PM

Jerky Leclerc

07-06-2006, 11:34 AM

In the LA TIMES, Burkie commented that he paid Andy Mac more than he was willing last week. He received instruction from ownership though to pay fair market value. IMO, Burke paid Andy Mac about half a million more than he deserved. With Pronger in the fold, does this change Burkie's philosphy to remain patient or are we going to spend to win now. I only ask because a win now philosophy could mean trading away some of our core kids for veterans in the near future.

mmbt

07-06-2006, 12:37 PM

From the OC Reg:

"After Monday's acquisition of $6.25million defenseman Chris Pronger, the Ducks' projected payroll of nearly $40million is some $2million over budget, but a built-in "cushion" provides the luxury of not being forced into cutting salary elsewhere, Burke said."

It looks likely we'll hang onto our goalies unless our RFAs asks for huge raises. The market has gone kind of out of whack in the past week, so you never know.

All those salary dumps last season really helped, even the ones involving soon-to-be UFAs ... we'd have never gotten a serviceable Carney replacement like O'Donnell for his current salary in this kind of financial atmosphere.

braincramp

07-06-2006, 01:26 PM

I think it's clear that the Ducks have shifted to a win now direction, and that the Pronger trade was the trigger. Two good young players, obviously not yet at their peak, and 2-3 future high draft choices, traded for a world-class player in his prime are a certain signal.

Burke has said that it is rare to have the opportunity to obtain such a high-quality player.

The three-year contract for McDonald at $3.3-million with the attendant bump in the budget is another sign that he is ready to move now.

Selanne is good for a year or two, and the Getz/Perry/Penner youth have their first NHL year behind them. Defense, including goal, can't be matched anywhere in the league. Finishing in the top four shows that the team can do playoff hockey.

Nothing more to wait for. It's time to seize the opportunity.

Duckstudd269

07-06-2006, 10:37 PM

Jerky Leclerc

07-06-2006, 11:43 PM

I was thinking that we were going to keep both of our goalies too, but since Jerky made that comment I'm a little skeptical about it now. I wish jerky would give us more info on the whole ordeal.

Sorry bud, I don't have any more info than you guys. I was at Select a seat and Burkie said the same thing about two goalies wanting to be #1. I just found it curious how Burkie said ownership gave him instruction to pay McDonald. Its just sounds like a change in philosphy since the State of the Franchise when Burke said the organization was going to stay patient and let the "corn grow." We're not growing anymore. It seems like were harvesting and cashing the crops now. Going to the Western Conference Final may gotten the Samuelis excited about winning.

Pwnasaurus

07-07-2006, 08:39 AM

Sorry bud, I don't have any more info than you guys. I was at Select a seat and Burkie said the same thing about two goalies wanting to be #1. I just found it curious how Burkie said ownership gave him instruction to pay McDonald. Its just sounds like a change in philosphy since the State of the Franchise when Burke said the organization was going to stay patient and let the "corn grow." We're not growing anymore. It seems like were harvesting and cashing the crops now. Going to the Western Conference Final may gotten the Samuelis excited about winning.

Even while acquiring the biggest name in the trade market Burke was able to keep his core of young 2nd year players together (Beauchemin, Perry, Getzlaf and Penner) which speaks volumes about his and the Samueli's commitment to the youth of the franchise while striving to upgrade for the present as well.

braincramp

07-10-2006, 07:34 PM

Updated for Chistov signing.

www.braincramp.org

Jerky Leclerc

07-16-2006, 12:49 PM

Ducksforcup

07-16-2006, 12:57 PM

It is likely Wright would sign for the NHL minimum salary of $450,000, especially since Anaheim is still paying him. The Ducks bought out the final year of his contract for $800,000 and will pay him $400,000 each of the next two seasons.

:( That kind of stinks. Feel bad for Wright...hope re signs with someone! :)

Good find on the article Jerky! :):thumbu: :toothless

mmbt

07-16-2006, 01:00 PM

http://www.dispatch.com/bluejackets/bluejackets.php?story=dispatch/2006/07/15/20060715-C1-04.html

The ducks may be on the hook for Wright's contract since they bought him out for 800k. Read and discuss.

I thought if you bought someone out, you're only out the cash, not the cap space.

Regardless, since our budget limit is several million below the cap, it shouldn't be an issue.

Hank

07-16-2006, 01:18 PM

I thought if you bought someone out, you're only out the cash, not the cap space.

The formula is a little complicated to understand or explain, but the pdf version of the CBA has an example on page 206 (Acrobat's page 224). It starts to make sense after looking at the numbers there for a bit.

Jerky Leclerc

07-16-2006, 01:19 PM

I thought if you bought someone out, you're only out the cash, not the cap space.

Regardless, since our budget limit is several million below the cap, it shouldn't be an issue.

Well the question, is Wright "retired?" Teams are on the hook for buying out contracts but you can stretch it out for double the number of years. Unless Wright is "retired," the Ducks I'm assuming will take a 400k hit the next two seasons.

wildcat48

07-16-2006, 01:43 PM

Well the question, is Wright "retired?" Teams are on the hook for buying out contracts but you can stretch it out for double the number of years. Unless Wright is "retired," the Ducks I'm assuming will take a 400k hit the next two seasons.

The Ducks are only responsible for 2/3rds of Wright's remaining salary paid over the next two seasons, but they will take a cap hit for the full amount this season.

The NHLPA in there infinite wisdom doesn't want a team to escape it obligations in terms of time just by buying out a player.

When you buy out a player...You only buy them out at 2/3rd of the contract remaining for the double the term of the deal left.

So let's use Tie Domi as an example.

The Leafs bought him out at 2/3rds of 2 million or 1.32 million but it is payable over two years because he only had one year left. 2 million will still counts toward the cap because that was the Leafs financial obligations this season.

It prevents a team from buying a player out in order to seek relief from the salary cap.

Irish Blues

07-16-2006, 06:42 PM

Domi was 35 when he signed his contract after the lockout, that's why he counts in full for '06-07.

Wright should count roughly $277,500 this year and $392,200 in '07-08. There's a clause in Article 50 covering the cap impact of buyouts details how the calculations are made.

braincramp

07-16-2006, 07:11 PM

The Ducks are only responsible for 2/3rds of Wright's remaining salary paid over the next two seasons, but they will take a cap hit for the full amount this season.

The NHLPA in there infinite wisdom doesn't want a team to escape it obligations in terms of time just by buying out a player.

When you buy out a player...You only buy them out at 2/3rd of the contract remaining for the double the term of the deal left.

So let's use Tie Domi as an example.

The Leafs bought him out at 2/3rds of 2 million or 1.32 million but it is payable over two years because he only had one year left. 2 million will still counts toward the cap because that was the Leafs financial obligations this season.

It prevents a team from buying a player out in order to seek relief from the salary cap.

I can't find this provision in the CBA. True, "When you buy out a player...You only buy them out at 2/3rd of the contract remaining for the double the term of the deal left." But I can't find any reference to support ". . . but they will take a cap hit for the full amount this season."

There are illustrations dealing with players whose salaries varied during the life of their contract (meaning the cap hit was averaged) and are subsequently bought out, but otherwise it seems that the cap hit is what you actually pay.

I don't know the details of Wright's contract; I simply had him at $947,132 last year. I can't make that come out to $800,000 buyout over two years.

Grant Dovey

07-18-2006, 02:45 PM

Updated as of the roster right now. IF ANYTHING IS MISSING PLEASE LET ME KNOW RIGHT AWAY.

As you can see I split it up by position. Hopefully that's easier to read.

Some contract details still need to be added.

Grant

braincramp

07-19-2006, 01:08 PM

Updated for O'Brien, Leighton signings and Wright buyout.

www.braincramp.org

braincramp

07-20-2006, 02:04 AM

Wright's salary for '06-'07 was $ 1,176,538. Two-thirds of that number, spread over two years, is a payout and cap hit of $388,258 per year. I have also returned O'Donnell's number to his cap hit, not his salary, since that seems to be the real control in effect.

We now have signed, probable starters as follows:
4 Centers: Getzlaf, Marchant, McDonald, Pahlsson
7 Wings: Chistov, Fedoruk, Moen, Niedermayer, Perry, Penner, Selanne
5 Defensemen: Beauchamin, DiPenta, Niedermayer, O'Donnell, Pronger
1 Goalie: Giguere

17 players for a total cap hit of $36-million, including the Wright buyout amount.

Konopka, Kunitz, Vishnevski, and Bryzgalov are unsigned RFAs who played with the team last year who would add another $4-5-million if they are signed and on the active roster.

That leaves probably another winger and a D to win a job in camp, maybe $1.5-million.

Total 23 players, $42-million.

www.braincramp.org

Hank

07-20-2006, 11:11 AM

Konopka, Kunitz, Vishnevski, and Bryzgalov are unsigned RFAs who played with the team last year who would add another $4-5-million if they are signed and on the active roster.

Vishnevski's arbitration hearing is the 26th. Kunitz has his on Aug. 3rd.

braincramp

07-20-2006, 10:54 PM

Updated for Kunitz signing.

Jerky Leclerc

07-23-2006, 01:50 PM

TheJoeMan

07-23-2006, 11:37 PM

Briere won his arbitration and is awarded 5 million dollars. Wow, thank god the Ducks decided to sign Andy Mac to a three year contract at 3.3 mil. It could have been ugly with his stats from last year if the Ducks had decided to play hardball.

Hear, hear. I said this when Teemu signed his contract that that set the tone for the rest of the team: Don't get greedy so we can keep this team together and win the Cup. Buffalo and Carolina especially showed that keeping your group together and just making the necessary tweaks could be all you need to get to the next level. I just hope that Vish signs before Wednesday or his reward isn't rediculous.

iLau

07-24-2006, 12:04 AM

Salaries for players this year are out of whack. Briere getting 5 million is too much. Same with other players like Jovo and Blake.

Pepper

07-24-2006, 02:52 AM

Well atleast Vish doesn't have stupendous numbers to fool the arbitrator. What does a young one-dimensional #4 d-man deserve to get? Anything over 1.5M and Burke might just walk away.

Kevin Forbes

07-27-2006, 10:54 AM

Saw this on one of the main boards,
for anyone's interest this is somewhat comprehensive for each team:
http://members.shaw.ca/cdelosreyes/

braincramp

07-27-2006, 01:43 PM

Dropped Konopka, added Thornton; added many other players "in the system".

www.braincramp.org

braincramp

07-27-2006, 01:55 PM

Salaries for players this year are out of whack. Briere getting 5 million is too much. Same with other players like Jovo and Blake.

Briere will be viewed as an arbitration anomoly. Perhaps a mistaken judgment by the arbitrator or the case wasn't presented very well by the team.

Blake may be explained by a desire to appease some Kings fans during a time when the organization and player personnel are undergoing change, and an unpleasant year is a possibility.

Hank

07-27-2006, 02:47 PM

Briere will be viewed as an arbitration anomoly. Perhaps a mistaken judgment by the arbitrator or the case wasn't presented very well by the team.

I think that award is perfectly fair to both sides. He has signficantly more games played and points than McDonald who got a 3.5 million contract. He has fewer games and points than Scott Gomez but he's also the captain of his team and thus has more 'intangibles'.

Jovo and Blake are UFAs. Market conditions set their price tag.

braincramp

07-27-2006, 08:35 PM

Market conditions set the price when buying crude oil or hog bellies, perhaps. Blake may simply be worth more to the Kings than he is to other teams -- a reasonable possibility.

Hank

07-27-2006, 10:57 PM

Market conditions set the price when buying crude oil or hog bellies, perhaps. Blake may simply be worth more to the Kings than he is to other teams -- a reasonable possibility.

I prefer to believe the fact that Kubina got 5 million (for example) played a part in Blake's negotiations.

braincramp

07-28-2006, 04:24 PM

Updated for Vish award; assumed signed. Only remaining obstacle is Bryzgalov and possibly Kondratiev. Maybe a break in the Russian front.

www.braincramp.org

braincramp

07-28-2006, 07:17 PM

I'm going to stop maintaining the salary sheet at http://www.braincramp.org, as it has served its purpose and their are better sites to use going forward. The purpose was to evaluate the Ducks' emerging Active Roster from a cap standpoint, but that task is largely complete and thus fully reflected in those other sites, especially at http://members.shaw.ca/cdelosreyes/. For a more thorough coverage, especially of players not currently considered Active Roster, consult Irish Blues' site at http://www.geocities.com/rmccleary97/capcounts_player.htm

Duckstudd269

07-28-2006, 07:18 PM

I'm going to stop maintaining the salary sheet at http://www.braincramp.org, as it has served its purpose and their are better sites to use going forward. The purpose was to evaluate the Ducks' emerging Active Roster from a cap standpoint, but that task is largely complete and thus fully reflected in those other sites, especially at http://members.shaw.ca/cdelosreyes/ (http://members.shaw.ca/cdelosreyes/). For a more thorough coverage, especially of players not currently considered Active Roster, consult Irish Blues' site at http://www.geocities.com/rmccleary97/capcounts_player.htm

thanks for doing it as long as you did. well done.

Jerky Leclerc

07-28-2006, 07:23 PM

Thanks Braincramp. GJ bro.

:clap:

Spankatola Jamnuts

07-28-2006, 10:03 PM

Next summer's looking brutal with Getzlaf, Perry, Penner, Selanne, and Beauchemin as FAs.

iLau

07-28-2006, 10:51 PM

Next summer's looking brutal with Getzlaf, Perry, Penner, Selanne, and Beauchemin as FAs.

That's a scary list of FAs. I don't want the next summer to come. Ever.

TheJoeMan

07-28-2006, 11:09 PM

Next summer's looking brutal with Getzlaf, Perry, Penner, Selanne, and Beauchemin as FAs.

Getz and Perry have two years left but I agree about Beauch and Teemu. Don't forget Sammy as well.

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 01:12 AM

Just to let you guys know....all of those other sites cap figures are not correct.....I have been giving Irish Blues the most accuarate information in terms of cap numbers......and his site shoud hopefully be updated and correct very soon.

Spankatola Jamnuts

08-02-2006, 01:21 AM

Well. Thank goodness for you.

Pepper

08-02-2006, 01:30 AM

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 01:30 AM

Well. Thank goodness for you.

Hey if it wasn't for me.....then all the people on these boards would still be guessing what so-and-so's cap hit was and continue to be wrong......so yes thank goodness for me.

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 01:33 AM

You mean Braincramp's site has wrong numbers as well??

I cannot say for sure.....because he has taken it down....but I will post all of the Duck's "actual" cap figures as soon as I can.....Just because I love you guys.;)

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 02:48 AM

Player--------------------Cap hit-----------

Scott Niedermayer -------$6.75 million
Chris Pronger------------$6.25 million
Teemu Selanne------------$6 million
Jean-Sebastien Giguere --$3.99 million
Andy McDonald------------$3.33 million
Todd Marchant------------$2.517million
Rob Niedermayer----------$2 million
Sean O'Donnell-----------$1.63 million
Vitaly Vishnevski--------$1.55 million
Chris Kunitz-------------$1.056 million
Ryan Getzlaf-------------$739,700
Stanislav Chistov--------$800,000
Samuel Pahlsson----------$637,500
Corey Perry--------------$614,300
Francois Beauchemin------$500,000
Joe DiPenta--------------$500,000
Dustin Penner------------$478,500
Travis Moen--------------$475,000
Todd Fedoruk ------------$450,000
----------------------------------------------------
19 players...............$40,268,000

Also add in Wright's buyout number.

-------------------------$315,700

for a grand total of.....$40,583,000

Other player that could be on the roster....

Jonathan Hedstrom--------$512,500
Brett Skinner------------$732,500
Tim Brent----------------$524,100
Ryan Carter--------------$850,000
Brett Festerling---------$473,300
Trevor Gillies-----------$495,000
Curtis Glencross---------$655,500
Kent Huskins-------------$450,000
Shane Hynes--------------$548,300
Michael Leighton---------$450,000
Nathan Marsters----------$467,500
David McKee--------------$1.912 million
Bjorn Melin--------------$625,000
Andrew Miller------------$677,500
Pierre Parenteau---------$495,000
Geoff Peters-------------$462,500
Aaron Rome---------------$615,300
Bobby Ryan---------------$2.2 million
Nathan Saunders----------$518,300
Ryan Shannon-------------$477,500
Shawn Thornton-----------$450,000
Michael Wall-------------$470,000
Clay Wilson--------------$850,000
Petteri Wirtanen---------$500,000

Randall Graves*

08-02-2006, 04:30 AM

why is bobby ryan listed at 2.2 million?

Pwnasaurus

08-02-2006, 08:38 AM

Hey if it wasn't for me.....then all the people on these boards would still be guessing what so-and-so's cap hit was and continue to be wrong......so yes thank goodness for me.

Everyone's still guessing what the Devil's exact number is along with some other teams as well. The NHL makes the cap rules up as they go along. You along with many others do not know exact numbers.

Pepper

08-02-2006, 08:44 AM

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 10:55 AM

That list is so wrong.

Selanne is at 3.75M
Hedstrom isn't in the Ducks anymore
No Wright
David McKee most certainly won't make 1.912M
Penner is in the team
DiPenta is in both lists

Braincramp, we need you!

Well sorry tell you but I am right.
Selanne's cap hit is indeed $6 million (because of bonuses)
Hedstrom might not be on the Ducks roster...but he is still under contract.
Wright was bought out....his cap figure still counts but he is not on the team. I will add in his money if you would like.
McKee's cap hit is indeed $1.912 (because of bonuses)
Dipenta being on both lists is just a typo.

Also I got my list from an NHL General Manager.....if anyone else can make that claim.....speak now.

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 10:56 AM

Everyone's still guessing what the Devil's exact number is along with some other teams as well. The NHL makes the cap rules up as they go along. You along with many others do not know exact numbers.

In fact I do.....you need to know the facts before making comments like that pal.:shakehead

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 10:57 AM

why is bobby ryan listed at 2.2 million?

He signed a contract with alot of bonuses.......and in the new CBA all bonuses count against the cap....even if they are not earned.

Pepper

08-02-2006, 11:54 AM

Well sorry tell you but I am right.
Selanne's cap hit is indeed $6 million (because of bonuses)
Hedstrom might not be on the Ducks roster...but he is still under contract.
Wright was bought out....his cap figure still counts but he is not on the team. I will add in his money if you would like.
McKee's cap hit is indeed $1.912 (because of bonuses)
Dipenta being on both lists is just a typo.

Also I got my list from an NHL General Manager.....if anyone else can make that claim.....speak now.

Wright's cap hit is ~300K for the next 2 seasons

Hedström's contract won't count because he will play in Sweden

McKee's cap hit most certainly won't be 1.912, bonuses or no bonuses. He signed a 2y deal, he won't get 3.8M during that period. Besides, he signed an entry-level deal meaning it's 2-way, he'll spend the year in Portland so his salary will be much less than that. And the bonuses can't be that high under the new CBA.

I seriously doubt you got that info from a NHL GM, given that you're 16 years old.

EDIT:NHLPA has David McKee listed at 850K for next year and given that it's an entry-level deal, his next season is 850K as well. Meaning that to have a cap hit of 1.912M, he would have the chance to earn over 1M in bonuses both years. This is not allowed in the CBA so I call your BS on this one.

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 12:05 PM

Wright's cap hit is ~300K for the next 2 seasons.
OK

Hedström's contract won't count because he will play in Sweden.
Well since I am not a Duck's fan I was not aware of this....But he is still under a Duck's contract.

McKee's cap hit most certainly won't be 1.912, bonuses or no bonuses. He signed a 2y deal, he won't get 3.8M during that period. Besides, he signed an entry-level deal meaning it's 2-way, he'll spend the year in Portland so his salary will be much less than that. And the bonuses can't be that high under the new CBA.

I seriously doubt you got that info from a NHL GM, given that you're 16 years old.

Well you pretty much lost all credibility with these statements. I know the CBA better than 95% of the people on these boards and know for a fact that all bonuses count against the cap....even if they are not earned. So until you can prove me wrong....:p:

Also I did in fact receive all players cap hits this year from a GM. I also have the documentation to prove it. If you don't believe me then just ask Irish Blues.....the guy that Brain Cramp said has a more thorough coverage of......because he received alot of his information from me and can confirm that I did indeed receive it from an NHL GM.

You guys really need to know what you are talking about before making comments.:shakehead

Earl Sleek

08-02-2006, 12:22 PM

He signed a contract with alot of bonuses.......and in the new CBA all bonuses count against the cap....even if they are not earned.

I'm not sure if this is true. Selanne has performance bonuses in his deal, as detailed in the CBA (Section 50, part b, clause c "Performance Bonuses"):

(1) "Performance Bonuses" means any Bonuses set forth in a players SPC, the payment of which is contingent on the Player's achievement of some agreed-upon benchmark(s) related to his performance as a Player or his Club's performance during a particular League Year.

Then, in part c "Actual Club Salary" where cap figures are discussed:

For each League Year, "Actual Club Salary" for each Club shall be calculated as the sum of the following amounts:

(i) The aggregate Player Salaries and Bonuses paid or earned for that League Year for all Players on the Club's Active Roster, Injured Reserve, Injured Non Roster and Non Roster; plus...

At any rate, this "Actual Club Salary" then gets transformed to the cap number, but there is nothing that suggests to me that 'unearned' performance bonuses need to calculate into a cap number. Sure, it makes sense to think about what might happen should all benchmarks are met, but I don't think the league views it this way.

Pepper

08-02-2006, 12:31 PM

Well you pretty much lost all credibility with these statements. I know the CBA better than 95% of the people on these boards and know for a fact that all bonuses count against the cap....even if they are not earned. So until you can prove me wrong....:p:

You should then pay more attention to reading comphrension skills, never did I claim that those bonuses don't count against the cap.

Also I did in fact receive all players cap hits this year from a GM. I also have the documentation to prove it. If you don't believe me then just ask Irish Blues.....the guy that Brain Cramp said has a more thorough coverage of......because he received alot of his information from me and can confirm that I did indeed receive it from an NHL GM.

You guys really need to know what you are talking about before making comments.:shakehead

Which GM was it? Besides, David McKee signed a entry-level deal meaning it's 2-way, thus the 850K part won't be included in the Ducks cap. Also under the CBA you can't dish out bonuses that big to players under entry-level deal.

Go back to study the new CBA.

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 01:11 PM

I'm not sure if this is true. Selanne has performance bonuses in his deal, as detailed in the CBA (Section 50, part b, clause c "Performance Bonuses"):

Then, in part c "Actual Club Salary" where cap figures are discussed:

At any rate, this "Actual Club Salary" then gets transformed to the cap number, but there is nothing that suggests to me that 'unearned' performance bonuses need to calculate into a cap number. Sure, it makes sense to think about what might happen should all benchmarks are met, but I don't think the league views it this way.

"Actual Club Salary" is used to determine the 54% players share at the end of the year.

For determining payroll room the league uses "Averaged Club Salary"....as stated in this part of the CBA.

50.5 Team Payroll Range System; Lower Limit and Upper Limit; Payroll Room; Lower Limit and Upper Limit Accounting.
(a) Overview of Operation of Team Payroll Range. The Team Payroll Range created by this Agreement consists of a Lower Limit and an Upper Limit during each League Year for permissible spending by each Club based on its Averaged Club Salary. The Team Payroll Range provisions do not permit Clubs to have Averaged Club Salary that is below the Lower Limit. Nor does the Team Payroll Range permit Clubs to have Averaged Club Salary that is above the Upper Limit, except for two (2) limited exceptions provided in this Agreement, with respect to bona fide, long-term Player injuries or illnesses, as set forth in Section 50.10(d), and with respect to the "Performance Bonus Cushion," as set forth in Section 50.5(h).

A team can exceed the cap ceiling because of performance bonuses....but only to a certain degree.

(h) Accounting for Performance Bonuses. No SPC may contain Performance Bonuses except in accordance with Section 50.2(b)(i)(C) above. For purposes of a Club's Upper Limit and Lower Limit, as well as the Players' Share, the following rules shall apply with respect to those Performance Bonuses that are permitted:
(i) For the purposes of calculating a Club's Averaged Club Salary, the Averaged Amount of Performance Bonuses (to the extent permitted in accordance with Section 50.2(b)(i)(c) above) shall be included as fully earned in the League Year in which they may be earned. However, the unaveraged cash value of such Performance Bonuses shall be calculated in a Player's SPC for purposes of the 100 Percent Rule, as set forth in Section 50.7 below. The cash amount of any Performance Bonuses contained in an SPC that becomes impossible to earn in a given League Year shall, at that time, be deducted from the Club's Averaged Club Salary. Any Payroll Room that may result will only be for the remainder of that League Year and will not affect the Averaged Amount of a Player's multi-year SPC or the inclusion of any Performance Bonuses in the Averaged Amount of the future League Years of such SPC.
(ii) A Club shall be permitted to have an Averaged Club Salary in excess of the Upper Limit resulting from Performance Bonuses solely to the extent that such excess results from the inclusion in Averaged Club Salary of: (i) Exhibit 5 Individual "A" Performance Bonuses and "B" Performance Bonuses paid by the Club that may be earned by Players in the Entry Level System and (ii) Performance Bonuses that may be earned by Players pursuant to Section 50.2(b)(i)(C) above, provided that under no circumstances may a Club's Averaged Club Salary so exceed the Upper Limit by an amount greater than the result of seven-and-one-half (7.5) percent multiplied by the Upper Limit (the "Performance Bonus Cushion").
(iii) At the conclusion of each League Year, the amount of Performance Bonuses actually earned, including, without limitation, and for purposes of clarity, (i) Exhibit 5 Individual "A" Performance Bonuses and "B" Performance Bonuses paid by the Club that may be earned by Players in the Entry Level System and (ii) Performance Bonuses that may be earned by Players pursuant to Section 50.2(b)(i)(C) above, shall be determined and shall be charged against the Club's Upper Limit and Averaged Club Salary for such League Year. To the extent a Club's Averaged Club Salary exceeds its Upper Limit by more than seven-and-one half (7.5) percent as a result of: (i) Exhibit 5 Individual "A" Performance Bonuses and "B" Performance Bonuses paid by the Club that may be earned by Players in the Entry Level System and (ii) Performance Bonuses that may be earned by Players pursuant to Section 50.2(b)(i)(C) above, then the Club's Upper Limit for the next League Year shall be reduced by an amount equal to such excess.

Basically all bonuses count against the cap. But a team is allowed to exceed the cap by 7.5% ($3.3 million). So in effect the Ducks have $47.3 million in payroll room. But that has a price. If Selanne or whoever is on the roster achieves enough bonuses to put the "Actual Team Payroll" over the $44 million cap at the end of the year......the excess is deducted from the next year's cap figure. The Thrashers have to deal with that this year.

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 01:25 PM

Which GM was it? Besides, David McKee signed a entry-level deal meaning it's 2-way, thus the 850K part won't be included in the Ducks cap. Also under the CBA you can't dish out bonuses that big to players under entry-level deal.

Go back to study the new CBA.

You apparently need to go back and study the CBA....if you have ever seen it.

Entry Level players may negotiate for performance bonuses up to a maximum of $850,000 in individual "Schedule A" bonuses per year (maximum of $212,500 per bonus). A player may also be eligible to earn individual "B" bonuses for League-wide excellence, which will, as a general matter, be paid by the League. In addition, a player will be eligible to negotiate with his club "excess" individual "B" bonuses, subject to a maximum aggregate of $2 million in any year.

So a player could have.....

$850,000 in salary
$850,000 in "Schedule A" bonuses.....and
$2 million in "Excess Schedule B" bonuses.......for a grand total of......

$3.7 million for players drafted in 2005 and 2006

Also Genius how do you think that Ovechkin has a cap figure of $3.834 (drafted in 2004)?
Or how does Crosby have a cap figure of $3.7 million?:dunno:

You really need to do some research before you make more of a fool of yourself.

Pwnasaurus

08-02-2006, 01:34 PM

You really need to do some research before you make more of a fool of yourself.

Pot calling kettle...come in kettle

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 01:48 PM

Pot calling kettle...come in kettle

Point out one thing I said wrong ......cool guy.:shakehead

Do you feel threatened by someone who actually knows something you do not?:dunno:

Pwnasaurus

08-02-2006, 01:52 PM

Point out one thing I said wrong ......cool guy.:shakehead

Do you feel threatened by someone who actually knows something you do not?:dunno:

Originally Posted by Pepper

Wright's cap hit is ~300K for the next 2 seasons.

Originally Posted by Squidward

OK

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Pepper

Wright's cap hit is ~300K for the next 2 seasons.

Originally Posted by Squidward

OK

I wasn't wrong on that....I just didn't include it because I was only putting in the Ducks contracts......So try again.

Pwnasaurus

08-02-2006, 01:54 PM

My bad.

No problem

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 01:56 PM

I refuse to accept the truth.

That's Ok.......That is big of you to aknowledge.:)

Earl Sleek

08-02-2006, 01:58 PM

Basically all bonuses count against the cap. But a team is allowed to exceed the cap by 7.5% ($3.3 million). So in effect the Ducks have $47.3 million in payroll room. But that has a price. If Selanne or whoever is on the roster achieves enough bonuses to put the "Actual Team Payroll" over the $44 million cap at the end of the year......the excess is deducted from the next year's cap figure. The Thrashers have to deal with that this year.

Oh well, thanks for pointing out the right clauses. Still, somewhat of a moot point this year, as we are unlikely to hit the cap even with a $6M Selanne figure (and though I have no idea what his bonuses include, I'm not that sure he'll get $6M any way).

Thanks for the info, any way.

Irish Blues

08-02-2006, 01:59 PM

EDIT:NHLPA has David McKee listed at 850K for next year and given that it's an entry-level deal, his next season is 850K as well. Meaning that to have a cap hit of 1.912M, he would have the chance to earn over 1M in bonuses both years. This is not allowed in the CBA so I call your BS on this one.
Exhibit 5 in the CBA states that players may earn up to $850,000 per year in Schedule A bonuses (page 260) and up to $2 million in Schedule B bonuses that are paid by the team (page 262). Ovechkin's cap hit is in fact $3,834,200 and Crosby's cap hit is in fact $3,700,000 because of those bonuses.

The maximum salary, signing bonus and games played bonus amount is $850,000 for players drafted in 2005.

Yes, it is possible that McKee's cap number is $1,912,500. It won't matter if he's in the AHL ... but if he gets called up to the NHL during the regular season, it absolutely will matter.

Earl Sleek

08-02-2006, 02:00 PM

Spongebob is dead RIP 7/29/2006:( ....Long live Squidward!:)

BTW, I may be ignorant on these boards. Who are you referring to when you say 'Spongebob' and what happened to him/her this past weekend?

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 02:01 PM

Oh well, thanks for pointing out the right clauses. Still, somewhat of a moot point this year, as we are unlikely to hit the cap even with a $6M Selanne figure (and though I have no idea what his bonuses include, I'm not that sure he'll get $6M any way).

Thanks for the info, any way.
No problem.....at least you didn't attack me like some other members of this team's board.

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 02:02 PM

BTW, I may be ignorant on these boards. Who are you referring to when you say 'Spongebob' and what happened to him/her this past weekend?

It was just a name change.....my signature just makes those who know me aware of it.

slats432

08-02-2006, 02:25 PM

That will be enough. Back to topic.

Rick Middleton

08-02-2006, 02:25 PM

Beat to the punch by Shaggy. Oh the humiliation.

Earl Sleek

08-02-2006, 02:33 PM

That will be enough. Back to topic.

I thought generally this was on topic, salary numbers and how to count them. Other than being confused on Squidward's signature, that is.

Pwnasaurus

08-02-2006, 02:45 PM

That's Ok.......That is big of you to aknowledge.:)

Originality only please....and with proper spelling if possible for our younger audience.

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 02:47 PM

Originality only please....and with proper spelling if possible for our younger audience.

sorry.;)

Jerky Leclerc

08-02-2006, 02:50 PM

Lets cut out the flaming and stay on topic. If you don't think you can have a friendly discussion with attacking anyone, I suggest turning off the computer and go for a walk.

jerky

Kick Save

08-02-2006, 02:52 PM

If (1) Bryzgalov were to play in Russia this year and (2) the Ducks were to retain his rights, what impact, if any, would that have on the Ducks' salary cap?

Duck Fan

08-02-2006, 03:03 PM

Hey....I was just trying to show some of the posters here what the Ducks players cap hits were......Instead of asking "Hey where did you see that"......They started attecking me and accussing me of lying. So don't give me your bull****. If you don't want to know the truth then just click on another thread.:dunce:

I, for one, appreciate the information you have given us.

Thanks

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 03:34 PM

If (1) Bryzgalov were to play in Russia this year and (2) the Ducks were to retain his rights, what impact, if any, would that have on the Ducks' salary cap?

None.....a player has to be on the Ducks "Active" roster to impact their cap.

Hank

08-02-2006, 03:35 PM

I, for one, appreciate the information you have given us.

Thanks

Yeah, good stuff. Any chance you have the actual list of these player's bonus conditions? Or do you just have the total cap hit.

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 03:38 PM

I, for one, appreciate the information you have given us.

Thanks

Just trying to fill in the blanks that alot of people are having. I just got lucky that a GM was nice enough to give me this information. But if he finds out I have been showing it to everyone on these boards....he might not like it. Let's hope that is not the case. I think that all of us deserve to know this kind of stuff.

Captain Ron

08-02-2006, 03:39 PM

Yeah, good stuff. Any chance you have the actual list of these player's bonus conditions? Or do you just have the total cap hit.

No...his list only gives me length of contract and cap hit.......I guess the bonus conditions are between the player and that particular team.....and probably the league offices.

Irish Blues

08-02-2006, 09:01 PM

If (1) Bryzgalov were to play in Russia this year and (2) the Ducks were to retain his rights, what impact, if any, would that have on the Ducks' salary cap?
If he's not under contract, there would be no impact - the Ducks would just retain his rights. If he got signed tomorrow and then took off for Russia, he'd probably be on Non-Roster and that would still count against the cap from what I can tell.

I'll check.

Pepper

08-03-2006, 02:46 AM

Squidbob, you forget that McKee will play in the AHL with 90% probability, thus his cap hit won't be 1.912M for the Ducks.

So try again.

Irish Blues

08-03-2006, 10:29 AM

Squidbob, you forget that McKee will play in the AHL with 90% probability, thus his cap hit won't be 1.912M for the Ducks.

So try again.
If he's called up at any point in 2006-07 during the regular season, his cap hit will be $1,912,500 while he's on an NHL roster.

Pwnasaurus

08-03-2006, 10:41 AM

Then he won't be.

Pepper

08-03-2006, 10:59 AM

If he's called up at any point in 2006-07 during the regular season, his cap hit will be $1,912,500 while he's on an NHL roster.

Wait, I thought only the bonuses count, his normal NHL salary (850K) will count only for those days he's in the NHL (so if he's 18 days in the NHL, the cap hit will be 18/184 ~ 0.1 x 850K = 85K) right?

Chances are that Burke won't do it though, he'd rather sign a cheap back-up.

Besides, McKee needs all the time he can get in the AHL.

Captain Ron

08-03-2006, 05:28 PM

Irish Blues

08-03-2006, 05:58 PM

Wait, I thought only the bonuses count, his normal NHL salary (850K) will count only for those days he's in the NHL (so if he's 18 days in the NHL, the cap hit will be 18/184 ~ 0.1 x 850K = 85K) right?

Chances are that Burke won't do it though, he'd rather sign a cheap back-up.

Besides, McKee needs all the time he can get in the AHL.
It's something like this:

For players who have bonuses in their contracts, the entire amount of the bonus is considered for the cap hit while the bonus can still potentially be received; only when it's no longer possible to achieve the bonus does it come off the cap hit - and for entry-level players, it's only for the current year.

On October 4, McKee's cap hit if he's in the NHL is $1,912,500. If we knew the nature of McKee's bonuses, we could possibly figure out at what point he'll be unable to achieve them and could adjust accordingly when (or if) he makes it to the NHL this season; however, we don't know the nature of those bonuses - and that's what makes this so frustrating.

He could become ineligible for some bonus on February 1, or it may take until the end of the season or even the announcement of the league awards to know what bonuses he didn't achieve and then adjust accordingly. If he becomes ineligible for some bonus on February 1, his cap hit would adjust and apply retroactively for the period of time he was on an NHL roster, thus giving Anaheim more cap space.

To add to this, the CBA does not allow teams to hypothecate their payroll room - meaning that Anaheim can't call him up and say, "But we know he's not going to hit these bonuses, so we're going to say his cap number is (whatever) and make moves according to that assumption."

Yes, this is harder than hell to wade through - which is why as much information as I've got and as much as I can track who's in the NHL during the season, I still say that the numbers I have during the season are an estimate. Right now? Right now the cap numbers for everyone if they're on an NHL roster are pretty much known (as long as they signed by about July 21). During the season? A lot of :huh:, :dunno: , :eek: and :banghead:

Pepper

08-04-2006, 02:34 AM

If he is in the AHL all season.....his cap figure will not count. But if he is in the NHL only 1 day his cap hit is $1.912 million/184....or $10,391/day. For that fact alone he probably will not get a callup if Anaheim is even close to the cap. Oh and....apology accepted.;)

I haven't apologized to anyone, especially not you. The official cap number is being investigated and I hope to get the word soon.

Besides, you listed McKee as part of Ducks salarycap and so far there's zero reason to believe he will be part of it when regular season starts.

I accept your surrender though.

Captain Ron

08-04-2006, 02:49 AM

I haven't apologized to anyone, especially not you. The official cap number is being investigated and I hope to get the word soon.
OK...I have an "official" list from a GM (which you cannot dispute) yet you still refuse to believe it even though I have plenty of evidence to back it up.:shakehead

Besides, you listed McKee as part of Ducks salarycap and so far there's zero reason to believe he will be part of it when regular season starts.

Where did I say that McKee would be part of the Duck's salary cap???

Let's look at my post again shall we???

Player--------------------Cap hit-----------

Scott Niedermayer -------$6.75 million
Chris Pronger------------$6.25 million
Teemu Selanne------------$6 million
Jean-Sebastien Giguere --$3.99 million
Andy McDonald------------$3.33 million
Todd Marchant------------$2.517million
Rob Niedermayer----------$2 million
Sean O'Donnell-----------$1.63 million
Vitaly Vishnevski--------$1.55 million
Chris Kunitz-------------$1.056 million
Ryan Getzlaf-------------$739,700
Stanislav Chistov--------$800,000
Samuel Pahlsson----------$637,500
Corey Perry--------------$614,300
Francois Beauchemin------$500,000
Joe DiPenta--------------$500,000
Dustin Penner------------$478,500
Travis Moen--------------$475,000
Todd Fedoruk ------------$450,000
----------------------------------------------------
19 players...............$40,268,000

Also add in Wright's buyout number.

-------------------------$315,700

for a grand total of.....$40,583,000

Other player that could be on the roster....

Jonathan Hedstrom--------$512,500
Brett Skinner------------$732,500
Tim Brent----------------$524,100
Ryan Carter--------------$850,000
Brett Festerling---------$473,300
Trevor Gillies-----------$495,000
Curtis Glencross---------$655,500
Kent Huskins-------------$450,000
Shane Hynes--------------$548,300
Michael Leighton---------$450,000
Nathan Marsters----------$467,500
David McKee--------------$1.912 million
Bjorn Melin--------------$625,000
Andrew Miller------------$677,500
Pierre Parenteau---------$495,000
Geoff Peters-------------$462,500
Aaron Rome---------------$615,300
Bobby Ryan---------------$2.2 million
Nathan Saunders----------$518,300
Ryan Shannon-------------$477,500
Shawn Thornton-----------$450,000
Michael Wall-------------$470,000
Clay Wilson--------------$850,000
Petteri Wirtanen---------$500,000

It is amazing how you invent statements because you cannot admit you are wrong.

I accept your surrender though.That will be the day.:biglaugh:

Pepper

08-04-2006, 03:56 AM

Now you are just being ridiculous.....the list I have is accurate....that is a FACT.

The list you HAD was *NOT* accurate. That's a FACT.

And......I know a more about the CBA than you do yet you still continue to argue when all the facts are on my side......I dare you to find 1 credible person on this entire site to back you up.....because I can find several that will support what I have already posted. Just admit you are wrong and we can all get on with our lives.:shakehead

Facts are on your side? You have made a claim without any evidence to back it up and there were several errors in your original list. Sorry dude but so far you're just shooting blanks here.

But like I said, people are looking in to McKee's contract and we'll see what comes up.

Pwnasaurus

08-07-2006, 09:51 AM

OK...I have an "official" list from a GM (which you cannot dispute)

Why is that indisputable? You haven't mentioned who the GM is. I have seen lots of folks on here claim insider information from "high ranking officials". It is possible that your list came from a GM that you happen to know, but it is impossible to say that the claim is indisputable at this point.

Spankatola Jamnuts

08-07-2006, 11:22 AM

Dude. It's indisputable. Just ask Irish Blues. See? Corroborated. Another anonymous guy says it's true.

Snap Wilson

08-07-2006, 12:47 PM

Why is that indisputable? You haven't mentioned who the GM is.

Actually, he has, on the thread where he introduced these numbers.

Irish, I think I'm misunderstanding you when you say that the cap hit includes bonuses right away. I know Bondra's didn't count last year towards their cap hit, and the bonuses he hit were applied to the cap this year.

snarktacular

08-07-2006, 01:21 PM

Kevin Forbes

08-07-2006, 01:43 PM

I would say that all GMs would basically have to have that information. Making trades would be impossible if the team didn't know what salary they were picking up.

Hank

08-07-2006, 02:11 PM

We're not the only ones frustrated by the lack of data on salaries...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=frei_terry&id=2538183

Hank

08-07-2006, 02:19 PM

I'd think they wouldn't want to give away such information, so other teams wouldn't know how much they would need to raid a team by RFA offers or trade.

The NHL operates under an unwritten agreement to NOT make RFA offer sheets IMO. When was the last one made? 1997?

snarktacular

08-07-2006, 02:51 PM

I would say that all GMs would basically have to have that information. Making trades would be impossible if the team didn't know what salary they were picking up.
Well the GMs could share salary info at that time if they needed it. I still think if thye had the choice, they'd keep that info private. Although on further reflection, it's likely that the NHL mandates that it be shared.

Captain Ron

08-07-2006, 04:25 PM

I've decided that no one knows anything about the cap, and we should just leave it all alone. There's probably some wizard behind a curtain in the NHL office that is the ONE person who approves all transactions and such, who flips a magic 8 ball to decide if a team is under cap or not.

And say Squidward did get his numbers from a GM, why would said GM have the correct salaries for all the players? From a GM perspective, such as say Lamoriello, I'd think they wouldn't want to give away such information, so other teams wouldn't know how much they would need to raid a team by RFA offers or trade. Probably partly why many teams don't disclose financial terms. Unless the NHL requires disclosure amongst teams.

So basically you are saying....

A) I made up the whole thing and was able to invent salaries for over 1,000 players (including length of contract) and actually had the determination to write it all out and was able to convince several people that the numbers I had were indeed correct......or

B) I got these numbers from a GM who made them all up and had the free time to type out over 1,000 players salary cap numbers (including length of contract) and thought it would be fun to pass this fraudulent information on to me.

Or is it likely that a GM does in fact have access to all of this information and out of the kindness of his heart he attached said information onto an E-Mail because I actually had the nerve to ask him for it?

Reaper45

08-07-2006, 05:37 PM

I've decided that no one knows anything about the cap, and we should just leave it all alone. There's probably some wizard behind a curtain in the NHL office that is the ONE person who approves all transactions and such, who flips a magic 8 ball to decide if a team is under cap or not.

And say Squidward did get his numbers from a GM, why would said GM have the correct salaries for all the players? From a GM perspective, such as say Lamoriello, I'd think they wouldn't want to give away such information, so other teams wouldn't know how much they would need to raid a team by RFA offers or trade. Probably partly why many teams don't disclose financial terms. Unless the NHL requires disclosure amongst teams.

Are you serious? Do you have your own conspiracy newsletter too? Why wouldn't the GM have the correct salaries for every(or just about every) player in the league? How could you ever possbly hope to make a trade in the salary cap era without knowing what kind of salary is coming back?

I don't know about the Ducks, but Taylor as well as Lombardi have been rather good when emailing them for information. Whether it's actually them or not remains to be seen, but regardless of who is sending the response they have always been forthcoming with whatever info they possibly have.

Ducksforcup

08-07-2006, 06:10 PM

OK...I have an "official" list from a GM (which you cannot dispute) yet you still refuse to believe it even though I have plenty of evidence to back it up.:shakehead

Where did I say that McKee would be part of the Duck's salary cap???

Let's look at my post again shall we???

It is amazing how you invent statements because you cannot admit you are wrong.

That will be the day.:biglaugh:

Wait, Anaheim re-signed Geoff Peters? Coolness. :D

Thanks for the list squid! :)

snarktacular

08-07-2006, 08:28 PM

So basically you are saying....

A) I made up the whole thing and was able to invent salaries for over 1,000 players (including length of contract) and actually had the determination to write it all out and was able to convince several people that the numbers I had were indeed correct......or

B) I got these numbers from a GM who made them all up and had the free time to type out over 1,000 players salary cap numbers (including length of contract) and thought it would be fun to pass this fraudulent information on to me.

Or is it likely that a GM does in fact have access to all of this information and out of the kindness of his heart he attached said information onto an E-Mail because I actually had the nerve to ask him for it?
Dude, chill. I'm not attacking you or anything. It's just possible that those numbers aren't all right. If the GMs didn't have access to all the true salaries, those numbers could be the best estimate of the source GM. If they did have access, then the numbers could be right. And yes it is possible that you made it all up, but that's not what I'm saying.

However, being a scientist, there's no way I'm trusting these numbers completely. As Irishblues even pointed out in the original post where you reveal the list, there are a few errors. It's just one source to be considered, although perhaps slightly more so than others.

Captain Ron

08-07-2006, 09:36 PM

Dude, chill. I'm not attacking you or anything. It's just possible that those numbers aren't all right. If the GMs didn't have access to all the true salaries, those numbers could be the best estimate of the source GM. If they did have access, then the numbers could be right. And yes it is possible that you made it all up, but that's not what I'm saying.

However, being a scientist, there's no way I'm trusting these numbers completely. As Irishblues even pointed out in the original post where you reveal the list, there are a few errors. It's just one source to be considered, although perhaps slightly more so than others.

OK...well even I have said there could be typo's on the list. But I trust this list more than anything else I have seen on the net......Mainly because I know that they came straight from the offices of an NHL general manager. Therefore they are probably more accurate than anything that TSN or any other website has referenced. But like I said in an earlier post. I put these numbers on here to inform you guys. It seems that some members think I am trying to fudge the numbers to make you guys think your cap hits are higher than they actually are. Because I have nothing else better to do with my time.:shakehead

Jerky Leclerc

08-07-2006, 10:03 PM

Squidward's info seem genuine. If anyone has doubts, you may direct it up with me. Lets move on.

Captain Ron

08-07-2006, 10:38 PM

Actually, he has, on the thread where he introduced these numbers.

Irish, I think I'm misunderstanding you when you say that the cap hit includes bonuses right away. I know Bondra's didn't count last year towards their cap hit, and the bonuses he hit were applied to the cap this year.

Performance bonuses count right away when determining the cap hit. This is evident in determining whether or not a team has sufficient salary to reach the cap floor (as in Washington and Pittsburgh's cases). Both Ovechkin and Crosby's cap numbers are significantly higher than what they are actually paid but allows the team to keep their "actual" salary lower than the cap floor.

In the case of a team who is closer to the cap ceiling the bonuses still count for the current season. But a team is allowed to exceed the cap limits by up to 7.5% ($3.3 million) to allow for those bonuses. So if the player achieves the bonuses and does not cause the team to go over the cap they will be taken from the current year's cap figure. If the bonuses cause the team to exceed the cap limit then the amount that was in excess of the cap would be deducted from the next year's cap number.

colonel_korn

08-08-2006, 02:28 PM

For what it's worth, I'd be inclined to trust the numbers from IB/Squidward... there was some debate about their validity on the Canucks' board as well, but they had Kevin Bieksa listed at the correct cap hit at least a week before it was publically announced that he had been re-signed to a new two-year deal.

katodelder

08-18-2006, 07:51 AM

Hedstrom has officially retired. His salary will no longer count against the cap.

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/pros/mightyducks/abox/article_1236349.php

Anyone know $ figures of Beauchemin's two-year extension (now signed thru 08-09)?

http://www.cbs47.tv/sports/nhl/story.aspx?content_id=CF213B11-7580-4EE9-A3DC-7CA9C1456EB5

snakes on a plane

braincramp

08-18-2006, 01:46 PM

Hedstrom has officially retired. His salary will no longer count against the cap.

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/pros/mightyducks/abox/article_1236349.php (http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/pros/mightyducks/abox/article_1236349.php)

Anyone know $ figures of Beauchemin's two-year extension (now signed thru 08-09)?

http://www.cbs47.tv/sports/nhl/story.aspx?content_id=CF213B11-7580-4EE9-A3DC-7CA9C1456EB5 (http://www.cbs47.tv/sports/nhl/story.aspx?content_id=CF213B11-7580-4EE9-A3DC-7CA9C1456EB5)

snakes on a plane

Per the OC Register (http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/pros/abox/article_1245672.php), the extension pays him $1.65 M for each of the two years, and should not affect his $500k cap status this year.

katodelder

08-18-2006, 09:05 PM

Why doesn't Beauchemin's extension count against the '06-'07 cap? Why aren't the 3 years averaged out .5 + 1.65 + 1.65 / 3 = 1.2667?

Are there any other players that fall into such a scenario? (I could understand if this were a mid-season extension).

Thanks in advance for the explanation.

braincramp

08-18-2006, 11:22 PM

50.5(f) Contract Extensions.
(i) An "extension" of an SPC, as such term is used in this Agreement, shall mean a new SPC entered into between a Club and a Player, which SPC is to be effective immediately upon the expiration of the Club and Player's existing SPC. . .

The short answer, then, is that the extension (a misnomer) is a new SPC, and is averaged, if necessary, within itself. There are controls which prevent a team from a binding overcommitting of its cap going forward, however:

(iii) A Club shall only be permitted to sign a Player to an "extension" of the existing SPC in the amount of: (A) the SPC of the Player to be extended (then included in the Club's Averaged Club Salary); plus (B) the Club's Payroll Room in the current year; plus (C) the aggregate Averaged Amounts of any other SPC or SPCs that expire at the end of such League Year (to extent the Club has other such SPCs which are currently counting in the Club's Averaged Club Salary); minus any previously Tagged Payroll Room. The Tagging Rule referred to in paragraph (e)(iv)(C) above will thereafter apply.

Irish Blues

08-24-2006, 08:45 PM

Irish, I think I'm misunderstanding you when you say that the cap hit includes bonuses right away. I know Bondra's didn't count last year towards their cap hit, and the bonuses he hit were applied to the cap this year.
Seeing as how I'm late to the party :D

For anyone who is asking, yes - the file is legitimate. I have the e-mail straight from the team executive who sent it to Squidward (with the file attached in the e-mail to Squidward), and I have swapped e-mails with that person more than once regarding this file. That's not to say the file it's 100% accurate because I have doubts about a couple players (Tomas Holmstrom and Jon Klemm most notably), but I cannot imagine that of the 1100 or so players who had contract info associated with them, that half, 25%, or even 10% are incorrect. I suspect the actual number of errors with regards to salary cap numbers at most can be counted on both hands.

Because there have been comments that for certain Ducks players "there's no way the file is correct", if anyone has suggestions on Ducks players that might be incorrect, let me know. I'll add them to the list of guys on my list and give answers when I get them.

Bonuses
If a player has bonuses in the contract, they count toward the cap number until the point at which they become unachievable. If the bonuses are tied to playoff performance (for guys 35 and older) or to postseason awards (Schedule B), then there's no way to determine if the bonuses should come off until the awards are announced ... so they stay on as part of the cap hit.

Example: Ovechkin's contract calls for a base salary of $984,200 plus $850,000 in Schedule A bonuses (the max) and $2 million in Schedule B bonuses (the max). His cap number is $3,834,200. If (God forbid) he were to blow out a knee in the 3rd game of the season and be out for the year, the league would rule that he won't achieve the Schedule A and B bonuses and his cap hit would drop to $984,200 ... for this season. It would return to $3,834,200 for the '07-08 season. (See Article 50.5(h)(i) for the complete explanation)

Bondra counted $3,405,000 toward the cap last season, but because of 50.5(h)(ii) the Thrashers could exceed the Upper Limit by up to 7.5% provided that if they ended up exceeding the Upper Limit at the end of the season when all bonuses were calculated, the excess was applied to the following season. (This explains why Bondra counts at least $1 million this season for Atlanta and why Yzerman counts somewhere around $400,000 for Detroit.)

So ... Selanne may have a base salary of $3.75 million, but if he's got bonuses clauses totaling $2.25 million then his cap number is $6 million for the upcoming season. However, the Ducks could carry up to $46.25 million in cap hits (the $44M plus Selanne's bonuses) with the understanding that if they end up going over $44M at season's end, the overage counts in '07-08. (This would also apply should guys like Bobby Ryan end up on the roster.)

Finally ... with Beauchemin's extension: I've seen this work both ways. Steve Begin had an option year for '06-07 that was picked up when he signed an extension; all 3 years count toward his cap number. Kyle McLaren was under contract for '05-06 and signed an extension before the start of the season; the extension didn't count toward his cap number last year.

I had the extension averaged into this year's number, but I'll drop it out. I'll also try to get a clear explanation on this should the actual cause differ from what braincramp stated above.

Walzy

08-24-2006, 11:19 PM

... I have doubts about a couple players (Tomas Holmstrom and Jon Klemm most notably)

maybe a bit off-topic, but Klemm's also correct ;)

Irish Blues

08-26-2006, 11:41 AM

http://www.geocities.com/rmccleary97/salaries/anaheim.htm

http://www.geocities.com/rmccleary97/cap_numbers/anaheim.htm

These links are the only way to view these pages - they're not otherwise available from my site at the moment. The first link gives everyone's salary by year, out at the right is how much in bonuses/incentives is apparently in the contract to get to the cap number. The second link just shows what the cap numbers are for the current and future years.

Anaheim is the only team I've done this with so far - eventually I'll put up all 30 teams, but I want feedback on the layout of this before I start on the others. Let me know what you guys think.

* there's a couple formatting issues I'll deal with shortly, I just want general comments on how the page is laid out.

snarktacular

08-26-2006, 12:40 PM

Irish Blues

08-26-2006, 02:13 PM

If this is an excel sheet, why don't you do the conditional formatting so it shades every other row? I find that makes spreadsheets much more readable. Also, it would be nice if there were vertical lines showing the columns. Finally, I think it would be easier to read if the names weren't all caps.

If Bobby Ryan is getting 1.35 million per year in bonuses, how come his contract for future years is still 850? Shouldn't it be 2.2 million then?
I'll make the first set of changes later today. I pretty much took the info straight from the league file (except where I've added the recent changes and calculated the bonus amounts);l it has the player names in CAPS and is broken out by year (something I've never bothered with doing in my personal file so far).

Ryan's salary (when he's on an NHL roster) is $850,000 - including his potential performance bonuses brings his cap hit to $2.2 million. That's been a source of contention for some - the player's cap hit at the beginning of the season includes all potential bonuses, regardless of how likely it is that the player may hit them.