Expendable players from the Devils?

I am going around to every team's message boards and attempting to get a feel for who is expendable on your team and who you would like moved in the offseason. Who do you want to see moved from the Devils?

I would say, out of the Non-UFA guys, Brylin, Marshall, Wiemer, and Matvichuk or Lukowich would be expendable. Not that I necessarily want them all gone, but they're available.

I am not saying that these are bad players, but their roles could be filled by others.

Brad Lukowich - If Matvichuk's back is fine, Lukowich could be traded. He has one season remaining at $1 million.
Jason Wiemer - I feel signing Rasmussen (UFA) and trading Wiemer would a good move. Rasmuseen a smart guy who would provide quality leadership on the 4th line with Cam Janssen and maybe Jason Ryznar. Wiemer seems slow and is a little too agressive in trying.

JMO

Untouchable:

Martin Brodeur

No interest in trading: (significant overpayment required)

Paul Martin
Brian Rafalski
Jay Pandolfo
Zach Parise (because his value is low right now)

Available for the right price (equal or slight overpayment)

Brian Gionta
Scott Gomez
Sergei Brylin
John Madden
Grant Marshall
Colin White
Cam Janssen

Expendable (equal or slight underpayment)

Brad Lukowich
Richard Matvichuk
Rasmussen
Weimer

JMO

Untouchable:

Martin Brodeur

No interest in trading: (significant overpayment required)

Paul Martin
Brian Rafalski
Jay Pandolfo
Zach Parise (because his value is low right now)

Available for the right price (equal or slight overpayment)

Brian Gionta
Scott Gomez
Sergei Brylin
John Madden
Grant Marshall
Colin White
Cam Janssen

Expendable (equal or slight underpayment)

Brad Lukowich
Richard Matvichuk
Rasmussen
Weimer

I can't see how Parise' value is low. :dunno:
He's untouchable because he's shown he has NHL talent and he's under 22.

Gionta is in no way available.

And I think at 4 mil. Rafalski could be had... though I don't see any teams knocking down the door. By the way, that's isn't a knock against Rafi... he's just overpayed.

The only guy I hope they can somehow unload is Matvichuk. :(

JMO

Untouchable:

Martin Brodeur

No interest in trading: (significant overpayment required)

Paul Martin
Brian Rafalski
Jay Pandolfo
Zach Parise (because his value is low right now)

Available for the right price (equal or slight overpayment)

Brian Gionta
Scott Gomez
Sergei Brylin
John Madden
Grant Marshall
Colin White
Cam Janssen

Expendable (equal or slight underpayment)

Brad Lukowich
Richard Matvichuk
Rasmussen
WeimerHow is Jay Pandolfo less tradable than John Madden? The only thing I can think of is your taking a "money ball," or "money puck" in this instance, approach.

Anyone is available if the other team wanted to overpay for the Devils player, with the exception of Marty Brodeur because he has a no-trade clause in his contract.

I can't see how Parise' value is low. :dunno:
He's untouchable because he's shown he has NHL talent and he's under 22.

Gionta is in no way available.

And I think at 4 mil. Rafalski could be had... though I don't see any teams knocking down the door. By the way, that's isn't a knock against Rafi... he's just overpayed.

The only guy I hope they can somehow unload is Matvichuk. :(

Gionta is certainly available if a team wants to slightly overpay. Keep in mind that Gionta scored 48 goals, so if a team is overpaying for a 27 year old 48 goal scorer, we are probably talking about a bona-fide #1 defenseman. I love Gionta, but would trade him for that.

We expect Parise to be good. Fact is he scored 32 points last year, and his value is around a mid 1st rounder, same as when we got him. I wouldn't trade him for that, would you?

I think Rafalski is well worth $4 million, that's only half of the max contract, and he is easily our best defenseman.

How is Jay Pandolfo less tradable than John Madden? The only thing I can think of is your taking a "money ball," or "money puck" in this instance, approach.

Anyone is available if the other team wanted to overpay for the Devils player, with the exception of Marty Brodeur because he has a no-trade clause in his contract.

Madden would be in the same category as Pandolfo if his contract wasn't so big. Pando does a great job for dirt cheap, and I wouldn't want to give that up unless someone was overpaying big time. I like Madden, and he would also require overpayment in my book, just not as much because of his contract.

I think Rafalski is well worth $4 million, that's only half of the max contract, and he is easily our best defenseman.


I personally don't think he is our best defensemen and given a choice I'd take White and Martin over him. Both White and Martin Combined don't make HALF of Rafalski's salary. In this NHL he is not worth 4.2 M.


Madden and Rafalski are the two worst contracts on the Team in my opinion. Nearly 8 million is far to much for what these guys bring.

Madden and Rafalski are the two worst contracts on the Team in my opinion. Nearly 8 million is far to much for what these guys bring.

Until we officially find out the status of the contracts, but I'd say Mogilny's and Malakhov's contracts are the two worst. I'd say Madden was worth every penny he was paid, especially when the team was on the PK. Rafalski, ya, maybe he's not worth the entire amount he's been paid, but still a valuable member of the team.

As for Blackjack's original post on this thread, you didn't have Elias on your list. In your opinion, where does he stand on your list?

I personally don't think he is our best defensemen and given a choice I'd take White and Martin over him. Both White and Martin Combined don't make HALF of Rafalski's salary. In this NHL he is not worth 4.2 M.


Madden and Rafalski are the two worst contracts on the Team in my opinion. Nearly 8 million is far to much for what these guys bring.

I agree Rafalski makes to much money. He is no more then a $3.5 million defenseman. But John Madden is arguably the Center of the Devils most important line. He was outplayed against Brind'Amour but Madden still had an excellent postseason. At $2.9 million John Madden is a bargain. At $3.6 million John Madden is overpaid. He is still a constant Selke candidate and a very big part of the Devils team and style.

In saying that, I also agree with Blackjack that Pando is less tradeable then Madden. You win Cups with guys like Pando. He is far and away the best player along the boards and always matches up against the big guns of the opposition.

I would rather have Madden/Pando on the 3rd line then Rafalski on the blueline.

If Colorado were to lose Rob Blake, or even if they weren't but they were looking to shore up their blueline I would offer Brian Rafalski for Milan Hejduk.

I am going around to every team's message boards and attempting to get a feel for who is expendable on your team and who you would like moved in the offseason. Who do you want to see moved from the Devils?
I think the only guys that might be traded are Marshall, Wiemer, Lukowich, and Matvichuk. Marshall and Wiemer are definitely expendable, we have some young forwards that could take their place. I doubt both Matvichuk and Lukowich would be traded, since we're kind of thin on the blue line, but one of them could be moved.

Also, I don't think Brylin will be traded. There have been tons of trade rumors about him and they've never panned out, and I feel like this offseason will be the same. He might be slightly overpaid, but he can play all three forwards positions, provide a little offense and play solid defense, and he's the consumnate Devils player. I'd be shocked if he got traded.

I think the only guys that might be traded are Marshall, Wiemer, Lukowich, and Matvichuk. Marshall and Wiemer are definitely expendable, we have some young forwards that could take their place. I doubt both Matvichuk and Lukowich would be traded, since we're kind of thin on the blue line, but one of them could be moved.

Also, I don't think Brylin will be traded. There have been tons of trade rumors about him and they've never panned out, and I feel like this offseason will be the same. He might be slightly overpaid, but he can play all three forwards positions, provide a little offense and play solid defense, and he's the consumnate Devils player. I'd be shocked if he got traded.

Finally, someone stands up for Brylin.

Seriously, you guys expect players to be loyal to the organization but don't want to have to show any loyalty in return to a player whos been with us for three cups and hasn't taken off a single shift?

Finally, someone stands up for Brylin.

Seriously, you guys expect players to be loyal to the organization but don't want to have to show any loyalty in return to a player whos been with us for three cups and hasn't taken off a single shift?

I agree and disagree.

With your statement that would mean that Lou should have held onto Randy McKay for his loyalty and commitment to the Devils instead of packaging him with Arnott for Langs and Nieuwendyk.

If a player is past his prime and cannot contribute there is no need to keep him because of his loyalty. It is about winning first and foremost.

But Brylin, despite his lack of offensive production with two good wingers is still somebody important to the Devils for his mobility. He does not make a rediculous amount of money and for years he was always deemed very underrated. As a 3rd line RW or a 2nd line LW with more open ice and opportunity he is still somebody to keep around. I'd like to see him on the LW with Gionta and Gomez.

You can't show loyalty to every player, which would hinder a GM from improving his team. However, certain players deserve it. Brylin and Pandolfo are two of those players. They are original Devils that don't complain, play to the best of their abilities and never take a night off and they're also good character players. That means something!

I dont think we have any signed players that are a great deal on the open market with their salaries.


Here are the facts:

expendable guys are the following

lukowhich
marshall
matvichuk
white (if we got a great player in return) I think hale will fill in for white just fine

lukowhich
marshall (I'll miss him!)
matvichuk
Rasmussen
Wiemer

Lukowich
Marshall
Brylin
Rafalski
Matvichuk
Rasmussen
Ryznar
Wiemer

Lukowich
Marshall
Brylin
Rafalski
Matvichuk
Rasmussen
Ryznar
Wiemer

The Devils may move Ryznar if they feel they need to move up several spots in the draft to grab a player they really like.

The Devils may move Ryznar if they feel they need to move up several spots in the draft to grab a player they really like.

Wouldn't be surprised. He's not all that great anyways

The Devils may move Ryznar if they feel they need to move up several spots in the draft to grab a player they really like.

Is Ryznar really worth enough to move up "several" spots in the draft?

He is not a top prospect.

Wouldn't be surprised. He's not all that great anyways

I think Ryznar is valuable. He fits the same mold as Pando, and I think he can eventually assume Jay's role in the future. Very similar players.

His ability to work along the board is really good as well. He can create a lot of chances w/ his work.

Although, Ryznar wouldn't move us up.

Is Ryznar really worth enough to move up "several" spots in the draft?

He is not a top prospect.

I believe it was either Fishler or Everson who wrote that teams have inquired about both Tallackson and Ryznar. I'm just saying a Ryznar may get you to move up 3 or 4 spots in a draft that after the top 6 or 7 players is anyones guess.

As for Blackjack's original post on this thread, you didn't have Elias on your list. In your opinion, where does he stand on your list?

UFA, like Langenbrunner.

Finally, someone stands up for Brylin.

Seriously, you guys expect players to be loyal to the organization but don't want to have to show any loyalty in return to a player whos been with us for three cups and hasn't taken off a single shift?

Sergei Brylin is one of my favorite hockey players in the NHL. IMO, he will not be traded because of his loyalty, and he deserves as much. This thread is hypothetical.

I am not saying that these are bad players, but their roles could be filled by others.

Brad Lukowich - If Matvichuk's back is fine, Lukowich could be traded. He has one season remaining at $1 million.
Jason Wiemer - I feel signing Rasmussen (UFA) and trading Wiemer would a good move. Rasmuseen a smart guy who would provide quality leadership on the 4th line with Cam Janssen and maybe Jason Ryznar. Wiemer seems slow and is a little too agressive in trying.

Lukowich got a lot of minutes in the playoffs, was solid, scored and showed leadership.
AND he's cheap.
Why would you want to get rid of him?

Lukowich got a lot of minutes in the playoffs, was solid, scored and showed leadership.
AND he's cheap.
Why would you want to get rid of him?

While I agree with you that Lukowich performed well in the playoffs, where does he ever say he wants to get rid of him?

While I agree with you that Lukowich performed well in the playoffs, where does he ever say he wants to get rid of him?

OK, wrong phrase to use. I should have said why would you think NJ would consider him expendable?
Also, I was using the collective "you". Many posts put Lukowich on the moveable list.

OK, wrong phrase to use. I should have said why would you think NJ would consider him expendable?
Also, I was using the collective "you". Many posts put Lukowich on the moveable list.
I think he's moveable because Lou has mentioned looking at signing a second line center and/or a defenseman this summer. We have 6 NHL defenseman who are either signed or are RFAs who will probably be back. So, if we went out and got a defenseman, it would make sense to move one of them. Rafalski is going nowhere, White is our top defensive defenseman and I doubt he'd get traded, and Martin and Hale are both young, good, and cheap. That leaves Matvichuk and Lukowich. I believe Matvichuk is the better player, which leaves Lukowich as probably the most expendable.

I think he's moveable because Lou has mentioned looking at signing a second line center and/or a defenseman this summer. We have 6 NHL defenseman who are either signed or are RFAs who will probably be back. So, if we went out and got a defenseman, it would make sense to move one of them. Rafalski is going nowhere, White is our top defensive defenseman and I doubt he'd get traded, and Martin and Hale are both young, good, and cheap. That leaves Matvichuk and Lukowich. I believe Matvichuk is the better player, which leaves Lukowich as probably the most expendable.

Lukowich is serviceable and only makes $1 million next season. He might be the 7th defenseman. He played very well for us minus the game 2 last seconds against Carolina.

Lukowich is serviceable and only makes $1 million next season. He might be the 7th defenseman. He played very well for us minus the game 2 last seconds against Carolina.
I agree he's serviceable, and wouldn't mind him being in the lineup at all next year (though preferably as a 5th-7th defenseman). I'm just saying if we trade a d-man, I think he's the most likely one to go.

I agree he's serviceable, and wouldn't mind him being in the lineup at all next year (though preferably as a 5th-7th defenseman). I'm just saying if we trade a d-man, I think he's the most likely one to go.

Have to disagree with you simply for the dollar amount. Serviceable and $1 million/year goes a real long way in determining who makes the team these days. Who's to say White doesn't get moved for a forward? Luko replaced White very admirably when White was out with the groin in the playoffs...

Have to disagree with you simply for the dollar amount. Serviceable and $1 million/year goes a real long way in determining who makes the team these days. Who's to say White doesn't get moved for a forward? Luko replaced White very admirably when White was out with the groin in the playoffs...

Unless the Devils manage to sign a marquee d-man this offseason, White isn't going anywhere. He's our best defensive d-man, and played very well this season.

Unless the Devils manage to sign a marquee d-man this offseason, White isn't going anywhere. He's our best defensive d-man, and played very well this season.

I agree. He played like a leader.

Unless the Devils manage to sign a marquee d-man this offseason, White isn't going anywhere. He's our best defensive d-man, and played very well this season.

Yup, he's improved alot since the pre-lockout season. Plus he's not too slow for his size.