Mighty Ducks MVP 05/06

Who was the most valuable player 05/06 (regular season & playoffs)

season: selanne
playoffs: bryzgalov

I voted for Niedermayer. If this was just the regular season I'd have voted for McDonald.

Finalists: Scott, Teemu and Andy

Winner: Scott.

I voted for Teemu.

Nieds made everything happen... so i vote for scott

Strong cases can be made for Mac and Teemu but the one guy that changed this team and really made it go was Scotty. In my opinion not only should be the Norris Trophy winner but should have been an MVP candidate. Skill, smarts and experience combined, he is the best player we've ever had. I was stoked when we signed him last summer but I NEVER knew he'd be this good. The next three years are going to be special.

Scottie Nieds!

It's Scotty hands down. This club doesn't make the playoffs if Nieds isn't on this team. For playoff MVP though, I'd consider giving it to Todd Marchant. The guy was money this postseason.

Fedoruk not listed :shakehead

I think the team would have been dead in the water without the contributions of any of Selanne, Scotty, or Andy Mac, but you have to go with Scotty.

Fedoruk not listed :shakehead

Would you really vote for him over Nieds, Teemu, or Mac?

Would you really vote for him over Nieds, Teemu, or Mac?

If we had to rank them I'd have Fridge really high. Maybe our unsung hero of the year being that Sammy was given diety status and all. I love Todd, I hope Burkey signs him up for the next decade.

Would you really vote for him over Nieds, Teemu, or Mac?


no but imo he would be #3 without him this team does not make the playoffs and gets injured and abused all year :shakehead

I know he was valuable in sticking up for the rookies and Teemu when guys tried to take runs at them, I just don't see why he (or anyone else besides Nieds, Teemu, and Mac for that matter) would be up there when he wouldn't get votes. Fedoruk would be #4/5 on my MVP list this year. As dirty as that play against Nedved was, it set the tone that the Ducks weren't going to be pushed around.

no but imo he would be #3 without him this team does not make the playoffs and gets injured and abused all year :shakehead
fedoruk wasn't defending anyone the last half of the year. I saw Lupul, Mcdonald, and Selanne get run several times in the 2nd half and Fedoruk never did ANYTHING!

fedoruk wasn't defending anyone the last half of the year. I saw Lupul, Mcdonald, and Selanne get run several times in the 2nd half and Fedoruk never did ANYTHING!


No cheap shots is the main thing all players get run or checked hard. Do you not remember the teams before this year when our players where pushed around and intimidated all season??? That did not happen while Fedoruk was in the lineup.

God, this is the second easiest question I've been asked to answer today. It was easily, incontrovertably, unquestionably Scott Niedermayer. I have to question the hockey watching faculties of anyone who suggests otherwise. Without Scotty, Teemu doesn't net 40, Andy doesn't score 80 points, Beauchemin is still a no-name defensemen and the kids probably don't develop anywhere near as much. He had the greatest season any Ducks player has ever had.

I'm assuming the Fedoruk talk is all a joke. He should be commended for making himself useful when it was evident that fighting wasn't as prominent as it was in the old NHL, but really. Come on.

Regular Season: S. Nieds

Post Season: T. Marchant

:)

People should really give Fedoruk more credit than that, the turning point of the season was Fedoruk taking out Nedved which sent a message to both opponents, don't **** with Ducks skill players.

It also sent a very powerful message to Fedoruk's teammates, he's willing to do anything to protect the team.

Fedoruk is definetly a candidate for MVP and a big part of the sucess of the Ducks, but I think Selanne has been the main reason for the Duck's sucess this season.

People should really give Fedoruk more credit than that, the turning point of the season was Fedoruk taking out Nedved which sent a message to both opponents, don't **** with Ducks skill players.

Except they get messed with all the time. Teemu and Andy Mac constantly got mugged throughout the season and in the playoffs. What exactly was Fridge deterring?

Don't get me wrong, I like Fedoruk fine for what he does, a guy who has decent wheels, throws his body and doesn't embarrass himself skating a regular shift, but the whole "enforcer" angle has always been overstated and is becoming irrelevant with the changes in the game. Fridge even said he was having a hard time finding dance partners.

Scotty Nieds for MVP or season and playoffs. All you have to do is imagine if he didn't play.. :eek:

Except they get messed with all the time. Teemu and Andy Mac constantly got mugged throughout the season and in the playoffs. What exactly was Fridge deterring?

Don't get me wrong, I like Fedoruk fine for what he does, a guy who has decent wheels, throws his body and doesn't embarrass himself skating a regular shift, but the whole "enforcer" angle has always been overstated and is becoming irrelevant with the changes in the game. Fridge even said he was having a hard time finding dance partners.

They got mugged but that's the downside of being a 1st liner in the NHL, we mugged opponents first liners as well. As long as they are not getting cheapshotted I'm okay.

The changes in the game have absolutely nothing to do with enforcers, if anything the value of enforcers who can also play has gone UP with the changes.

Laraque doesn't find dance partners either, that's because opponents don't want to get mauled. And that in turn makes sure that our skill guys are not cheapshotted.

The changes in the game have absolutely nothing to do with enforcers, if anything the value of enforcers who can also play has gone UP with the changes.

Which is why there's something like 40 percent fewer fighting majors and why so many of 2004's PIM leaders are currently unemployed. Riiiiiiight.

The changes in the game have absolutely nothing to do with enforcers, if anything the value of enforcers who can also play has gone UP with the changes.


moneyp, pepper is right...guys like Burnett don't have a contract anymore...because they can't play. Guys like Fridge will get a contract again, IMO...

Which is why there's something like 40 percent fewer fighting majors and why so many of 2004's PIM leaders are currently unemployed. Riiiiiiight.

The amount of fighting majors went down in the early part of the sesaon but picked up as the season progressed. Your 40% is utter BS.

I suggest you pay more attention, you're one of those people who believe the widespread HF myth that enforcers are less valuable because of the changes in rules.

But hey, you can always try telling us exactly which rulechanges made enforcers useless...

I suggest you pay more attention, you're one of those people who believe the widespread HF myth that enforcers are less valuable because of the changes in rules.

I don't think it made them less valuable, but the need for better skating players means that a lot of enforcers who couldn't skate very well are no longer able to cling onto a 12th forward spot. Fortunately, we don't have that problem since our enforcer skates really really well.

NHL became harder place to survive for ALL players who couldn't/can't skate well, it doesn't matter if you're enforcer, 3rd line grinder or 1st line scorer, if you can't skate you will find it harder to stay in the league.

Enforcer role itself didn't become any less important, the requirements just became little higher.

Burnett is out of the job because he couldn't skate, not because there's no need for enforcers.

NHL became harder place to survive for ALL players who couldn't/can't skate well, it doesn't matter if you're enforcer, 3rd line grinder or 1st line scorer, if you can't skate you will find it harder to stay in the league.

Right, but I think the proportion of enforcers who couldn't skate was a little higher than the proportion of regular players who couldn't skate. The effect is that more enforcers lose their jobs than non-enforcers. That doesn't make them less important, if anything it makes guys like Fedoruk more of a rare commodity than before.

Right, but I think the proportion of enforcers who couldn't skate was a little higher than the proportion of regular players who couldn't skate. The effect is that more enforcers lose their jobs than non-enforcers. That doesn't make them less important, if anything it makes guys like Fedoruk more of a rare commodity than before.

Exactly.

The amount of fighting majors went down in the early part of the sesaon but picked up as the season progressed. Your 40% is utter BS.

You wanna go, Pepper? You wanna go? Okay, let's drop 'em!

First, a quick jab with my left:

2003-04 Fighting Major Totals (http://www.hockeyfights.com/leaders/teams/reg04): 1562

2005-06 Fighting Major Totals (http://www.hockeyfights.com/leaders/teams/reg06): 919

919/1562 = 58.8%

Which means that fighting actually decreased 41%, not 40%. My bad.

Now, my devestating roundhouse right:

Yeah, that bit about there being more fighting in the latter part of the season? That's what we who work in mathematical related fields like to refer to as "wrong."

Fights/game by month:

October: 0.39
November: 0.39
December: 0.39
January: 0.38
February: 0.37
March: 0.38
April: 0.34

Fighting actually decreased later in the year. You'd think if you were going to make a statement to the contrary, you'd bother to check your facts, huh? Or were you just taking one for the goon-lovin' team?

Pepper's wobbling... no, he's down! He can't stand up! I've never seen so much blood! Oh, the humanity! MoneyP drops him to the ice and acknowledges the crowd, smiling and waving to the cheering throng as he skates over to his team's upholstered sin bin to check his e-mail and grab a Coke from the penalty box fridge.

:)

Even though you can't score and screw up every offensive play, I feel safer just knowing you're around.

Right, but I think the proportion of enforcers who couldn't skate was a little higher than the proportion of regular players who couldn't skate. The effect is that more enforcers lose their jobs than non-enforcers. That doesn't make them less important, if anything it makes guys like Fedoruk more of a rare commodity than before.

It will be interesting to see whether or not Burke agrees with you. Fridge is a restricted free agent. Let's see how much our rare commodity gets in relation to the rest of the team.

You wanna go, Pepper? You wanna go? Okay, let's drop 'em!


Oops, my bad. I thought I saw a figure of 35% in the early season and 20% later in the season.

It doesn't really change anything about the role of enforcer though, it is still needed.

Of the 4 conference finalists, 3 had a top-heavy enforcer, 2 of them were regulars in the starting line-up. Canes had an enforcer but he was traded for Weight.

But like I said, there's nothing in the new rules that affects the importance of the role played by enforcers.

So while you might have gotten few weak punches in, in the end I'm the one standing while you're KOed on the ice :)

That's what we who work in mathematical related fields like to refer to as "wrong."

:biglaugh:
I love it

People should really give Fedoruk more credit than that, the turning point of the season was Fedoruk taking out Nedved which sent a message to both opponents, don't **** with Ducks skill players.

It also sent a very powerful message to Fedoruk's teammates, he's willing to do anything to protect the team.
Our skill players still continued to get nailed.

I remember Lupul and Andy Mac both got nailed with borderline hits post olympics and nothing happened.

Our skill players still continued to get nailed.

I remember Lupul and Andy Mac both got nailed with borderline hits post olympics and nothing happened.

Post olympics we needed every last point we could get, so that was not the time to be sending messages. Sometimes you gotta show your toughness by not responding.

I do feel like the Ducks received far less cheap shots overall than they did in previous seasons. Whether that had a lot to do with that Fedoruk thing, I don't know, but I'm sure it didn't hurt. If nothing else, it gave Getzlaf and Perry a bit of comfort knowing he'd be there to back them up.

You wanna go, Pepper? You wanna go? Okay, let's drop 'em!

First, a quick jab with my left:

2003-04 Fighting Major Totals (http://www.hockeyfights.com/leaders/teams/reg04): 1562

2005-06 Fighting Major Totals (http://www.hockeyfights.com/leaders/teams/reg06): 919

919/1562 = 58.8%

Which means that fighting actually decreased 41%, not 40%. My bad.

Now, my devestating roundhouse right:

Yeah, that bit about there being more fighting in the latter part of the season? That's what we who work in mathematical related fields like to refer to as "wrong."

Fights/game by month:

October: 0.39
November: 0.39
December: 0.39
January: 0.38
February: 0.37
March: 0.38
April: 0.34

Fighting actually decreased later in the year. You'd think if you were going to make a statement to the contrary, you'd bother to check your facts, huh? Or were you just taking one for the goon-lovin' team?

Pepper's wobbling... no, he's down! He can't stand up! I've never seen so much blood! Oh, the humanity! MoneyP drops him to the ice and acknowledges the crowd, smiling and waving to the cheering throng as he skates over to his team's upholstered sin bin to check his e-mail and grab a Coke from the penalty box fridge.

:)

MoneyP I gotta admit that's the best arguing I've ever seen against Pepper, he's definitely the hardest one to win a debate on, but it would have been a lot better if you would have left off the boxing commentating, but still good arguement though.

Strong cases can be made for Mac and Teemu but the one guy that changed this team and really made it go was Scotty. In my opinion not only should be the Norris Trophy winner but should have been an MVP candidate. Skill, smarts and experience combined, he is the best player we've ever had. I was stoked when we signed him last summer but I NEVER knew he'd be this good. The next three years are going to be special.


You win the award for (1) best post on in this thread and (2) having the opinion that is closest to mine. For the record, you seldom get "(1)" without also having "(2)". :)

Scottie is THE BEST.

by position...

jiggy
scotty
teemu

Regular Season: Scotty

Playoffs: Bryz

Regular Season: Scotty

Playoffs: Bryz

Agreed...with the glavin and the oh sparking things glavin

You wanna go, Pepper? You wanna go? Okay, let's drop 'em!

First, a quick jab with my left:

2003-04 Fighting Major Totals (http://www.hockeyfights.com/leaders/teams/reg04): 1562

2005-06 Fighting Major Totals (http://www.hockeyfights.com/leaders/teams/reg06): 919

919/1562 = 58.8%

Which means that fighting actually decreased 41%, not 40%. My bad.

Now, my devestating roundhouse right:

Yeah, that bit about there being more fighting in the latter part of the season? That's what we who work in mathematical related fields like to refer to as "wrong."

Fights/game by month:

October: 0.39
November: 0.39
December: 0.39
January: 0.38
February: 0.37
March: 0.38
April: 0.34

Fighting actually decreased later in the year. You'd think if you were going to make a statement to the contrary, you'd bother to check your facts, huh? Or were you just taking one for the goon-lovin' team?

Pepper's wobbling... no, he's down! He can't stand up! I've never seen so much blood! Oh, the humanity! MoneyP drops him to the ice and acknowledges the crowd, smiling and waving to the cheering throng as he skates over to his team's upholstered sin bin to check his e-mail and grab a Coke from the penalty box fridge.

:)


Alot of that decrease had to do with the NHL taking an entire year off and players and teams had to re-develope rivalries. Also alot of rookies this year. That alone imo accounted for 25% of the decrease the rest was caused by linesman breaking up more fights then ive ever seen before the players could get fighting majors. I wish they kept a stat on that. Also dont forget the game is almost a non-stop power play as well and not too many team fight when shorthanded.

Regular Season: Scotty

Playoffs: Bryz

Bryz had a good shutout run, but I don't think he had to make many great saves. He missed to many key saves in the edmonton series as well. One goal meant everything in this series. Scotty was our best player on the ice by far IMO.

Scotty. Teemu looked ancient in the playoffs.

By the way, a big part of the huge surge the Ducks had after the poor start was McDonald turning into Jesus. Let's not forget that. My vote is for Nieds with Andy and Teemu tied in third.

Alot of that decrease had to do with the NHL taking an entire year off and players and teams had to re-develope rivalries. Also alot of rookies this year. That alone imo accounted for 25% of the decrease the rest was caused by linesman breaking up more fights then ive ever seen before the players could get fighting majors. I wish they kept a stat on that. Also dont forget the game is almost a non-stop power play as well and not too many team fight when shorthanded.

Much of the decrease had to do with the new rules, which favored speed and skill. Salary cap played a role, too. It wasn't economically feasible to carry guys who could fight, but were a liability when they were out on the ice because they couldn't skate, couldn't score and didn't have much defensive skill.

The elimination of clutching and grabbing reduced frustration on the part of the skilled players who were victimized by it and lessened a lot of stickwork.

dirk: you're the only fan I know of who bemoans the fact that the NHL doesn't keep statistics on how many potential fights were broken up by the linesman before they had a chance to to evolve into full-blown fights. :) How in the world would they compile that stat? Besides, who cares?