#19: Anaheim on the clock

First of all, Congrats to the Ducks for a fine season of hockey. I hate to post a thread like this immediately following an elimination, but it just so happens that the Ducks are up in a board to board mock draft I have been conducting. I apologize for the timing and hope nobody is too offended, but I've been trying to minimize any long time gaps between picks. I will keep the results updated in the mock draft board. I can't outlaw "outsider" votes, but that's okay as long as the vote is based on some informed opinion of the player's talent and organizational needs. No sabotage please! Make your selection with the Ducks interest at heart. Tiebreakers will go into OT for one extra day.

*IMPORTANT* By this stage in the draft there are more realistic possibilities than polling options. I realize some people might take exception w/ some of the players I have included or left out of the poll. You can cast a vote for a player that isn't listed. You must select "other" in the poll, then write in "other: (player's name)" in this thread. Voting will end Tuesday at 3pm pacific.

Make your selection for the #19 pick (ignore trade possibilities). If there isn't a good fit and you want to trade, draft for value. The Ducks are now on the clock. Good luck!



1) STL...... d E. Johnson 77-47-8-8-8-3 (Kessel, Toews, Staal, Backstrom, Frolik)
2) PIT....... c P. Kessel 73-12-9-7-2-1 (Toews, Staal, Backstrom, Frolik, Brassard)
3) CHI....... w J. Toews 30-9-8-2-1-1 (Backstrom, Staal, Frolik, Mueller, Okposo)
4) WAS..... c J. Staal 49-46-6-4-1 (Backstrom, Mueller, Frolik, Brassard)
5) BOS...... c N. Backstrom 53-13-3-7 (Mueller, Little, others)
6) CLM...... c P. Mueller 37-8-3-1-1 (Brassard, Frolik, Little, other)
7) NYI....... c D. Brassard 32-11-8-6-14 (Frolik, Williams, Okposo, others)
8) PHO...... rw K. Okposo 12-10-9-5-2-2 (Sheppard, Frolik, Little, Tlusty, others)
9) MIN...... rw M. Frolik 10-4-4-3-6 (Little, Sheppard, Tlusty, others)
10) FLO..... lw J. Sheppard 10-8-4-3-2-4 (Sang., Williams, Little, Tlusty, others)
11) LA....... d B. Sanguinetti 23-14-12-9-7 (Tlusty, Williams, Little, others)
12) ATL..... c B. Little 24-5-3-4 (Williams, Tlusty, others)
13) TOR..... f J. Tlusty 45-9-4-4-12 (Williams, Stewart, Emmerton, others)
14) VAN..... rw C. Stewart 37-13-11-8-8-17 (Will., Forney, Wish't, Emmerton, o/s)
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15) TB....... g R. Helenius 5*-5-4-10 (Forney, Williams, others)
16) MTL..... d T. Wishart 60-37-34-11-31 (Vishnevski, Williams, Giroux ,others)
*17)MIN..... d N. Williams 12-3-2-2-2-4 (Forney, Emmerton, Giroux, Fiala, others)
18) COL..... d D. Fischer 15-6-5-18 (Emmerton, Bernier, others)
19) ANA..... c P. Berglund 14-9-8-6-4-12 (Vishnevski, Joensuu, Bernier, Emm., o/s)
20) SJ....... *on the clock*
21) NYR.....
22) PHI......
23) WAS....

link w/ upper CSB rankings:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=244017

I went with Berglund...maybe the highest upside left on the draft board...I wouldn't be against taking a goalie (Bernier) here if this is what's left.

Wishart for me.

Wishart for me.


Wishart is gone at 16th

That Others guy has been avalible since the 5th pick, how about picking him? What is his upside? :sarcasm:

would be a good one...I always wondered: Who drafted Mr. "Unassisted"? He scores in almost every game...awesome dude.

Wishart is gone at 16th
crap, didn't see that.

bernier might not be bad choice then. or michael forney.

I voted for Forney. With the number of prospect the Ducks possess, we can take a chance and gamble.

I went with Emmerton but Forney would be a good choice as well.

It shows how bad this draft is, after 15 votes the most anyone has is three

I'd say Forney. He would be a great pick as you guys need another winger.

Berglund for me, this guy will be serious player. If he fills out he could be a superstar (in my opinion anyway).

I went with Vishnevski, because I'd like to see idiot commentators' heads explode during Ducks-Kings broadcasts.

I went with Joensuu. I still think he has an enormous upside.

Imagine if Ruutu, Tootoo and Cheechoo ever play on the same line...

Imagine if Ruutu, Tootoo and Cheechoo ever play on the same line...
:biglaugh:

I can't really vote because I don't know anything about the players in this draft. :help:

it was tough between emmerton and berglund for me. and much rather would have sanguietti.

I went for Emmerton. He's who I've been hopeing for this whole time. Berglund could become a real good player in the future as well. For the most part, this draft sucks.

I'd suggest trading our 19th overall and either Kunitz OR Chistov for the 10th-12th overall pick.

I'd suggest trading our 19th overall and either Kunitz OR Chistov for the 10th-12th overall pick.

And if I had the 10th-12th overall pick, I'd turn that offer down.

It shows how bad this draft is, after 15 votes the most anyone has is three

No it just shows that us fans in So Cal don't really follow juniors and college players unless they are already associated with us. After the top four picks I don't know squat about the rest of the field but I said the same thing in 2003 which looks like the best first round we've ever had. I remember I was stoked we picked Getzlaf because he played my all-time favorite pro wrestlers' team. I agree that we might as well shoot for a gamble because we are pretty loaded for the future.

Id rather take a dman personally, but I dont know the potential of any defensemen that may be left at #19.

I went with Vishnevski, because I'd like to see idiot commentators' heads explode during Ducks-Kings broadcasts.

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Just to update everyone, here are all of our draft picks for the draft.

Our 19th Overall Pick
Islander's Second Round Pick
Our Third Round Pick
San Jose's Third Round Pick
Our Sixth Round Pick
Our Seventh Round Pick

Imagine if Ruutu, Tootoo and Cheechoo ever play on the same line...



That would be freaking awesome :biglaugh:

Out of those guys, I'd like Vishnevski the best, but, I'd much rather trade up to get Sanguinetti. He'd be the perfect Ducks draft pick for this year IMO.

Out of those guys, I'd like Vishnevski the best, but, I'd much rather trade up to get Sanguinetti. He'd be the perfect Ducks draft pick for this year IMO.
Having Sanguinetti playing with Niedermayer would be a severly dangerous D pairing if it ever happened. Those two fast offensive Dman would wreek havoc all over the oppositions net.

Call me a racist but I don't want Ducks to pick up any russians in the first 3 rounds of the draft. RSL salaries are climbing all the time and it will only get harder to get russkies to NHL in the future as they don't grow up dreaming to play in the NHL some day like north-americans and certain europrospects (Sweden & Finland mostly).

I would take the risk of picking Jesse Joenssu, he has the greatest upside of the guys left.

I would take the risk of picking Jesse Joenssu, he has the greatest upside of the guys left.

He's also 6'5 and can play physical.

EDIT: he's definetly a 'pick & pray' -player, he could become a solid NHL-powerforward but he could also become the next Marc Chouinard.

Can Ducks afford to take the chance? I think so.

Call me a racist but I don't want Ducks to pick up any russians in the first 3 rounds of the draft. RSL salaries are climbing all the time and it will only get harder to get russkies to NHL in the future as they don't grow up dreaming to play in the NHL some day like north-americans and certain europrospects (Sweden & Finland mostly).

Yeah, but a guy like Ivan Vishnevsky, who jumped through hoops to play major junior in Canada, seems to be pretty serious about making a career over here. A guy like that I think you can take a chance on if he's really the best player available.

He's also 6'5 and can play physical.

EDIT: he's definetly a 'pick & pray' -player, he could become a solid NHL-powerforward but he could also become the next Marc Chouinard.

Can Ducks afford to take the chance? I think so.

How tall was Alexis Smirnov?

:sarcasm:

How tall was Alexis Smirnov?

:sarcasm:

6'3 IIRC

Smirnov was russian and had a huge attitude problem. Joensuu is finnish and shouldn't have attitude problems.

He's no Antti Aalto, that's for sure.

(remember when Sean O'Donnell kicked Aalto's lazy *** in a Ducks-Kings preseason game sometime in 97 or 98? That was fun).

I went for Emmerton. He's who I've been hopeing for this whole time. Berglund could become a real good player in the future as well. For the most part, this draft sucks.

I'd suggest trading our 19th overall and either Kunitz OR Chistov for the 10th-12th overall pick.

I know MMBT wouldn't make that deal as proposed, but do you think that Chistov and Kunitz are of equal value? I know a lot of people on this board knock Kunitz, but the guy set the Ducks rookie record for scoring, he will forecheck and---while we debate whether he belongs on the first line or not---he has some skill.

Chistov regressed in the two years since his rookie season and opted to play in Russia this year. He has come to camp out-of-shape, shown a propensity to be lazy and was far from impressive at Cincinnatti during the lockout year.

And for the record, of the players listed, I'd take Jamie McGinn.

Joensuu is finnish and shouldn't have attitude problems.



and if selanne will sign new contract(i hope it will be 3+) he can be good here...
as well sami is swedish...

Out of those guys, I'd like Vishnevski the best, but, I'd much rather trade up to get Sanguinetti. He'd be the perfect Ducks draft pick for this year IMO.

He is a puck moving defenseman who suffers from cornerphobia...aside from the fact that he was a teammate of our top draft choice from a year ago...why is Sanguinetti the perfect Ducks pick this year?

He is a puck moving defenseman who suffers from cornerphobia...aside from the fact that he was a teammate of our top draft choice from a year ago...why is Sanguinetti the perfect Ducks pick this year?

I've been wondering about this as well.

To me Sanguinetti doesn't seem like Burkeish-player, even if he's the BPA when Ducks pick, I think Burke will take someone else.

Btw, does anyone remember when we had the 19th pick last time? and how that turned out? :eek:

Btw, does anyone remember when we had the 19th pick last time? and how that turned out? :eek:

That was the deepest draft in centuries though.

He's also 6'5 and can play physical.

EDIT: he's definetly a 'pick & pray' -player, he could become a solid NHL-powerforward but he could also become the next Marc Chouinard.

Can Ducks afford to take the chance? I think so.

or the next Alexei Smirnov...i say pass...

6'3 IIRC

Smirnov was russian and had a huge attitude problem. Joensuu is finnish and shouldn't have attitude problems.



good points...but still the idea of a first round powerforward project brings back Smirnov memories no matter what...

He is a puck moving defenseman who suffers from cornerphobia...aside from the fact that he was a teammate of our top draft choice from a year ago...why is Sanguinetti the perfect Ducks pick this year?

I think we need more offensive prospects on the blueline, and we need a guy who can be a potential #1, as I'm not sure Smid will be. Sanguinetti is both, really, as I think he can be a #1 if he reaches his potential, and adds a nice offensive side to our future blueline. Pair him with a banger like Vish or OB, and I think he'll be fine. I wouldn't mind a guy like Vishnevski or Wishart, though.

I think we need more offensive prospects on the blueline, and we need a guy who can be a potential #1, as I'm not sure Smid will be. Sanguinetti is both, really, as I think he can be a #1 if he reaches his potential, and adds a nice offensive side to our future blueline

I don't think you can really make this assessment about 2 prospects one of whom has a much higher pedigree at this point and has much more experience than the other who will be recently drafted and probably not drafted in the top 10 overall at that.

I think we need more offensive prospects on the blueline, and we need a guy who can be a potential #1, as I'm not sure Smid will be. Sanguinetti is both, really, as I think he can be a #1 if he reaches his potential, and adds a nice offensive side to our future blueline. Pair him with a banger like Vish or OB, and I think he'll be fine. I wouldn't mind a guy like Vishnevski or Wishart, though.

I don't think we're in a position where we should be looking to fill specific needs in the draft ... it's all about the best player available.

I don't think we're in a position where we should be looking to fill specific needs in the draft ... it's all about the best player available.


I think we are, we have enough depth on each position, so we can choose specific players...

We can take a chance with all these picks. The player we pick up now might be able to get into the team when we are really going for the cup, but the chances are they'll be getting into the team just after some guys are gone due to hitting the UFA age.

I'm willing to take a long-term guy or hit or miss for a few years.

I think we are, we have enough depth on each position, so we can choose specific players...

The thing is, we're so deep at each position that no draft pick is likely to be stepping in for quite a while, and you never know what your needs are going to be a few years down the road.

The definition of "BPA" varies a bit, is the best player available the one with highest potential, the one who's most likely to make it to NHL or a combination of those with variying emphasis...

The definition of "BPA" varies a bit, is the best player available the one with highest potential, the one who's most likely to make it to NHL or a combination of those with variying emphasis...

When you're drafting at #19, finding a solid NHLer would be an accomplishment. After drafting Bobby Ryan last season, I think Brian Burke wants skilled players with strong character. Its not always about best talent or potential. I think you have to pick the guy who can help this team the most in three years.

When you're drafting at #19, finding a solid NHLer would be an accomplishment. After drafting Bobby Ryan last season, I think Brian Burke wants skilled players with strong character. Its not always about best talent or potential. I think you have to pick the guy who can help this team the most in three years.

Yea that's my point.

Some other GM would see player with higher potential but lower chance of reaching that potential as BPA whereas Burke might consider someone with lower potential but higher chance of reaching his potential to be better.

When you're drafting at #19, finding a solid NHLer would be an accomplishment. After drafting Bobby Ryan last season, I think Brian Burke wants skilled players with strong character. Its not always about best talent or potential. I think you have to pick the guy who can help this team the most in three years.

I agree. Wouldn't be surprised to see a Euro or NCAA player for this reason. I'm not totally sold on the best player availible because if the best player is a goalie or a center, we don't need that pick. A speedy winger or crafty d-man might be our pick. I don't know, all I know is we have like 6-7 guys on this team that I'd like to see here for a decade so this pick should definitely be a project.

Sorry - why would a NCAA or Euro prospect to be more likely to contribute for us in 3 years than a CHL prospect?

Sorry - why would a NCAA or Euro prospect to be more likely to contribute for us in 3 years than a CHL prospect?

Because you hold their rights longer. With a CHL player you gotta sign him in two years and Ryan will be on this team by then so having a college or Euro player gives you a couple more years to let them develope. This pick will be a project, no doubt.

Because you hold their rights longer. With a CHL player you gotta sign him in two years and Ryan will be on this team by then so having a college or Euro player gives you a couple more years to let them develope. This pick will be a project, no doubt.

Euro picks are treated the same way as CHL picks under the new CBA, only rights of drafted college players are retained longer (until they graduate or 4 years after they quit college).

I believe they (Euros) are four years, but I could be mistaken. It's definitly not two like CHL players.

I believe they (Euros) are four years, but I could be mistaken. It's definitly not two like CHL players.

Under the new CBA, teams have two years to sign European players, just like CHL players. And you can't just sign them and place them in the minors. They need to play certain # of games in the NHL or you will have to pay even more money to the team/league that you signed them away from.

I really don't think the Ducks will be drafting at #19 overall. Burke will either trade down or use his pick in a trade for a top-6 LW, IMO.

just kinda curious, what forward would you guys want the Ducks to go after?

just kinda curious, what forward would you guys want the Ducks to go after?

My first choice would be Emmerton. He fits the bill as to what the Ducks need, a young LW. I like the Swede, Patrik Berglund, as well. But like I said, I expect Burke to package his 1st rounder or move down.

I swore I thought it was four years for Euros, oh well my bad.

You can sign guys from over here before the two years is up, as the entry level contract only hits in when you play a season in the NHL or AHL. So you can sign them then loan them back to their club. I think that kings did it with their pick last year.

Undrafted euros over 22y old are UFAs automatically (instead of the group V/VI UFAs at 26 like in the old CBA), there are some hidden gems in european leagues waiting for teams to hire them.

Is that the the 22nd birthday or does it have a span in which you're to be 22 like the draft?

Is that the the 22nd birthday or does it have a span in which you're to be 22 like the draft?

Any euro player who hasn't played in north-america previously, hasn't been drafted yet, turns 22y before 24th of june this year and goes undrafted in 2006 will become an UFA.

Thanks, I guess that that'll be a rolling date from now one. If I'm not drafted, I'll be a UFA in four years and a month, just in time to move into my career as a hockey player after finishing uni!

I agree. Wouldn't be surprised to see a Euro or NCAA player for this reason. I'm not totally sold on the best player availible because if the best player is a goalie or a center, we don't need that pick. A speedy winger or crafty d-man might be our pick. I don't know, all I know is we have like 6-7 guys on this team that I'd like to see here for a decade so this pick should definitely be a project.

*cough* *cough* *chistov* *cough*

theres still people on this board dont know the definition of project.

Just to throw a log onto the fire but how would people feel if the Ducks offer St Louis Bobby Ryan and the first round pick (18th/19th pick) for the #1 overall pick (Erik Johnson). Is this realistic?

Just to throw a log onto the fire but how would people feel if the Ducks offer St Louis Bobby Ryan and the first round pick (18th/19th pick) for the #1 overall pick (Erik Johnson). Is this realistic?

Why when they could just pick Jordan Staal or Jonathan Toews and we keep our best prospect. We don't need Erik Johnson, we already have Smid and Mikkelson in a couple of years. Plus Frankie and Vish are only 26 and we've got Scotty for three more years. No need to let go a potentially dominant player when we are in no hurry to improve our D core.

I think that if Burke had wanted a D.man we wouldn't have Ryan, but Jack Johnson from the last draft.

I think that if Burke had wanted a D.man we wouldn't have Ryan, but Jack Johnson from the last draft.

Burke spoke highly of Erik Johnson during the WJC. From what I am hearing, there is alot of Chris Pronger in Erik Johnson. And lets not forget who traded up and drafted Chris Pronger in 93. Johnson is a right handed shot and could be a beast in the NHL.

Is Bobby Ryan and ANA #1 pick 06 enough to trade up and get the #1 overall? What you guys think?

Burke spoke highly of Erik Johnson during the WJC. From what I am hearing, there is alot of Chris Pronger in Erik Johnson. And lets not forget who traded up and drafted Chris Pronger in 93. Johnson is a right handed shot and could be a beast in the NHL.

Is Bobby Ryan and ANA #1 pick 06 enough to trade up and get the #1 overall? What you guys think?
I don't think that would get it. St. Louis are at the start of total rebuild mode, and being able to pick up a stud D.man is great. He'll take a few years to be NHL ready (like most D.men) and when he gets there, he'll be in the company of the next few years picks too.

I'm not sure if I want the trade either. We're at the end of rebuild mode (despite the fact we didn't really rebuild). So by the time Johnson is here it'll be too late for him to just use over the top, where as Ryan will be ready to go a few years earlier.

Burke spoke highly of Erik Johnson during the WJC. From what I am hearing, there is alot of Chris Pronger in Erik Johnson. And lets not forget who traded up and drafted Chris Pronger in 93. Johnson is a right handed shot and could be a beast in the NHL.

Is Bobby Ryan and ANA #1 pick 06 enough to trade up and get the #1 overall? What you guys think?

The problem is our pick is too low. I think they are definitely entertaining trade offers to move down but only a couple of picks. Chances are they have their sights on any one of Staal, Toews, Kessel and maybe even Mueller. They need to upgrade bad and Bobby Ryan could be very good for them but it boils down to what we lose. We lose our best prospect for a d-man we don't really need. Yeah he may be the next Chris Pronger but he may also be the next Alexander Daigle, probably not but we have no pressure to gamble with draft picks and prospects.

Is Bobby Ryan and ANA #1 pick 06 enough to trade up and get the #1 overall? What you guys think?

St Louis would want an NHL roster player, if not two, and Ryan isn't that yet. It would take a package centered around Getzlaf or Perry IMO.

I think our first plus Ryan would be close to appropriate for St. Louis. Think of it this way, St. Louis is rebuilding, they could use two prospects instead of one. And people should remember, that Ryan was the #2 overall pick last year (even if not everyone thinks he was the best choice). So the trade would be similar to the #1 overall for the #2 and #19. Howver, as the depth of this draft is kind of weak, we may need to throw in a mid level, slightly older prospect, like Brent or something.

I would kind of like the trade. While Bobby Ryan could be a great playmaker and strong in the corners, as it is now we even have problems finding space for all of our forwards. I think one thing our defensive group could use more of is a strong, physical Dman, as well as some offensive skill. Johnson seems to be both of those things. And even though Ryan is older by a year, Johnson seems pretty physically mature, they might be ready around the same time.

Also, after watching his interview from the combine, I was kind of impressed with Johnson. He sounds like a hard worker, how he was working for a couple years on explosiveness and lower body strength. Burke likes character, so this could be another positive for Johnson.

I figure Johnson will play at Minnesota for at least two years before he makes the jump, Bobby will be on this team by 07, no doubt. In those two years we could have Smid, Skinner AND Kondratchev on this team. (I will reserve speculation on O'Brien until after June 30th) Plus Mikkelson will definetly be in Portland by then and Kyle Klubertans and Brian Salcido could be there as well. Our defensive core is solid, very solid. We wouldn't need to make this trade.

I also suspect Blues fans don't know much about Bobby but are more than likely salivating at the thought of having a Staal or Kessel or Toews. I'd go with Jordan Staal personally because you gotta like the comparrisons to his brother. If anything they will trade down with Pittsburg who really needs a guy like Johnson. Man, the US Olympic team is going to great in a few years with the dymanic D tandem of Johnson and Johnson. :D

I figure Johnson will play at Minnesota for at least two years before he makes the jump, Bobby will be on this team by 07, no doubt. In those two years we could have Smid, Skinner AND Kondratchev on this team. (I will reserve speculation on O'Brien until after June 30th) Plus Mikkelson will definetly be in Portland by then and Kyle Klubertans and Brian Salcido could be there as well. Our defensive core is solid, very solid. We wouldn't need to make this trade.

You're right, our defensive core is pretty solid. But that's just it, it's solid, although you're probably just more optimistic than I am. Johnson could be franchise-level, to give us quality as well as quantity. I don't really see a big, intimidating defenseman in our group. Skinner, Kondratiev, Mikkelson, Klubertanz, and Salcido all seem to be kind of lanky, skating defensemen. Smid has a good frame, but he sounds more like the good skating, positional type. And I'm not sure about when Ryan would be ready, I'm a little concerned about how much he slowed down the second half of the year. Unless he greatly picks up his conditioning, he may spend a year in the AHL.

You're right, our defensive core is pretty solid. But that's just it, it's solid, although you're probably just more optimistic than I am. Johnson could be franchise-level, to give us quality as well as quantity. I don't really see a big, intimidating defenseman in our group. Skinner, Kondratiev, Mikkelson, Klubertanz, and Salcido all seem to be kind of lanky, skating defensemen. Smid has a good frame, but he sounds more like the good skating, positional type. And I'm not sure about when Ryan would be ready, I'm a little concerned about how much he slowed down the second half of the year. Unless he greatly picks up his conditioning, he may spend a year in the AHL.

If we were in a position to move up a couple spots to get Johnson and give up maybe a couple of picks or a Portland prospect like Shannon or Tim Brent than yeah I;d go for it. But we have a great defense right now and we have the best D-man in the league for the next three years, whom is also mentoring our next great D-man in Beachy. Defense, short term and long term, is not a weakness for this team right now. We'll need a big power forward like Ryan on this team when he's ready. Hell I wish he was ready now, we could use him. Another year in Owen Sound (can't go to the minors yet) and he'll be ready in 07.

Just to point out all, a USA Today mock draft (Made with Red Line) has us drafting Bobby Sanguinetti. (Bobby Ryan Getzlaf will love this :D ).

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/columnist/woodlief/2006-mock-draft.htm

19. Anaheim: Bobby Sanguinetti. After passing on the top defender in last year's draft, the Ducks decide to grab one of the more skilled blue-liners in this draft. Oddly, he's their second straight top choice from New Jersey, following Bobby Ryan last year. Anaheim has a number of tough D-men they can pair him with to help hide his total lack of a physical game.

Just to point out all, a USA Today mock draft (Made with Red Line) has us drafting Bobby Sanguinetti. (Bobby Ryan Getzlaf will loves this :D ).

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/columnist/woodlief/2006-mock-draft.htm

I saw that too and my eyes popped out of their sockets. Kinda like this :eek:.

But seriously, there is no way in facking hell that Sanguinetti falls that far. The only way the Ducks can get him is if they trade up.

But seriously, there is no way in facking hell that Sanguinetti falls that far. The only way the Ducks can get him is if they trade up.

I don't know if it's worth trading up to get anyone in this draft, unless you're talking about trading up into the top 10 or something. The NHL draft is just too much of a crapshoot.

I don't know if it's worth trading up to get anyone in this draft, unless you're talking about trading up into the top 10 or something. The NHL draft is just too much of a crapshoot.

I like Sanguinetti. I think it'd be worth trading up to get him, as I doubt he will fall down to #19. But, I really think that Burke is going to package his 1st in a deal on draft day.

I like Sanguinetti. I think it'd be worth trading up to get him, as I doubt he will fall down to #19. But, I really think that Burke is going to package his 1st in a deal on draft day.

I hear a lot of ppl say this, and I'm just wondering what you guys think it will be for. I'm hoping it's not including Jiggy, cause Bryz didn't perform well enough to get rid of Jiggy IMO.

I like Sanguinetti. I think it'd be worth trading up to get him, as I doubt he will fall down to #19. But, I really think that Burke is going to package his 1st in a deal on draft day.

Burke is a deal maker. He was able to deal up to get Pronger. He was able to deal up to get both the Sedins. If there is a GM who isn't afraid to make deals, its Burke.

I hear a lot of ppl say this, and I'm just wondering what you guys think it will be for. I'm hoping it's not including Jiggy, cause Bryz didn't perform well enough to get rid of Jiggy IMO.

You hear a lot of people talking about what? The trading up to Sanguinetti part or the package the 1st part? I'll assume that you mean the packaging of the 1st part.

Well, I wouldn't completely rule out trading Giguere, but I don't think it'll happen until after the season gets underway if it happens at all. I think it's more likely that Burke could put a package together of his 1st, Kunitz/Chistov, and O'Donnell/Vish for a top-6 LW or a offensive minded d-man. Just my $.02 though.

You hear a lot of people talking about what? The trading up to Sanguinetti part or the package the 1st part? I'll assume that you mean the packaging of the 1st part.

Well, I wouldn't completely rule out trading Giguere, but I don't think it'll happen until after the season gets underway if it happens at all. I think it's more likely that Burke could put a package together of his 1st, Kunitz/Chistov, and O'Donnell/Vish for a top-6 LW or a offensive minded d-man. Just my $.02 though.

Just thought I'd tell you that you were correct on your assumption. I think it would be awesome if we could trade our 1st, Kunitz, and O'Donnell for a top LW, but personally I don't see it happening.

help hide his total lack of a physical game

I don't think Burke will draft a player like that.

Burke is a deal maker. He was able to deal up to get Pronger. He was able to deal up to get both the Sedins. If there is a GM who isn't afraid to make deals, its Burke.

Yeah, but that's trading up very high into the draft. The hit rate at the top of the draft is usually a lot better than it is near the middle of the 1st round, and the prospects in question aren't usually as flawed.

Burke spoke highly of Erik Johnson during the WJC. From what I am hearing, there is alot of Chris Pronger in Erik Johnson. And lets not forget who traded up and drafted Chris Pronger in 93. Johnson is a right handed shot and could be a beast in the NHL.

Is Bobby Ryan and ANA #1 pick 06 enough to trade up and get the #1 overall? What you guys think?
I don't know, if Ryan were in this years draft I'd say he'd be a top three to five pick.

I think St.Louis is in love with Johnson so no I don't think it'd be enough.

On the contrary I have heard Burke is in love with Ryan.

Hi.

I thought I'd come over to your board, to post what a guy on our official site posted about the upcoming draft. This guy isn't your average poster who just makes s**t up, the guy's had recent access to some of the biggest names in the upcoming draft, and his info is pretty credible.

Nothing particularly earth shattering, but certainly food for thought. Maybe trading up is a serious possibility for Burke..?

The Yotes draft 8th.

It appears they are going outside NA or off the board as they did not meet with any of the top 5 NA prospects.

Rather bizarre because if a couple of the 7 teams above them goes that route all of a sudden some of the cream is available.

Also of interest....only 1 team that made the playoffs interviewed the top 5 NA prospects - Anaheim.

I don't know if Burke does this every year, but if he's planning on sitting at #19 or trading down, it would be a complete waste of time wouldn't it? Anyway, I just thought I'd post it (although you probably know already..)

Just to add a little credibility to this news, here's another thread from the guy who posted it at our boards. Some good pics here from the Oilers/Canes game 4, where he met and spoke at length to E.Johnson, Kessel, Toews and Brassard..

http://boards.chicagoblackhawks.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7333&st=0

Hi.

I thought I'd come over to your board, to post what a guy on our official site posted about the upcoming draft. This guy isn't your average poster who just makes s**t up, the guy's had recent access to some of the biggest names in the upcoming draft, and his info is pretty credible.

Nothing particularly earth shattering, but certainly food for thought. Maybe trading up is a serious possibility for Burke..?


I don't know if Burke does this every year, but if he's planning on sitting at #19 or trading down, it would be a complete waste of time wouldn't it? Anyway, I just thought I'd post it (although you probably know already..)

Just to add a little credibility to this news, here's another thread from the guy who posted it at our boards. Some good pics here from the Oilers/Canes game 4, where he met and spoke at length to E.Johnson, Kessel, Toews and Brassard..

http://boards.chicagoblackhawks.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7333&st=0

:badidea: Interesting news indeed. Thanks for posting this informative post! :)

I would throw craploads of assets to get the no.2 pick from Pens...Giguere, Chistov, 1st, Kondratiev for the no.2 pick and draft Staal.

6'4 forward who has craploads of potential and plays Burkeish game.

I would throw craploads of assets to get the no.2 pick from Pens...Giguere, Chistov, 1st, Kondratiev for the no.2 pick and draft Staal.

6'4 forward who has craploads of potential and plays Burkeish game.

They don't need really any of those things....they have their now/future goalie in Fleury, Chistov is a waste and Drats is also a waste if he jumps ship...they need defensemen who can play right now...and some forward depth/grit...

If Edmonton wins the Stanley Cup do they get the last pick in the first round? If so, then do the Ducks drafy 18th?

If Edmonton wins the Stanley Cup do they get the last pick in the first round? If so, then do the Ducks drafy 18th?

I believe so. :)

If Edmonton wins the Stanley Cup do they get the last pick in the first round? If so, then do the Ducks drafy 18th?

As stupid as this is going to sound: I'd rather see Edmonton and lose and stick to the 19th pick.

As stupid as this is going to sound: I'd rather see Edmonton and lose and stick to the 19th pick.

Lol, ditto. :biglaugh:

But considering this 18th instead of 19th thing, I wouldn't mind if the Oilers won. :)

Lol, ditto. :biglaugh:

But considering this 18th instead of 19th thing, I wouldn't mind if the Oilers won. :)

I just want a great game 7. Unfortunately, I have a sinking feeling the Cup winning goal will be scored on a PP resulting from one of those terrible "shoot it all the way down the ice into the netting" delay of game penalties.