Made me sick...

If anyone caught the CBC telecast,Joff is from Edmonton/Fort.Sask area in case some of you did not know.

When he scored the empty net to make it 6-3,they showed a replay on the reaction of his grandparents on the goal.His Grandfather is 1/1000 owner of the club (or how many owners they have up there in Edmonton which is a joke but besides the point)anyways...his grandmother/grandfather were wearing Oilers jersey but that was not the reason I posted this.

When he scored into the empty net his grandfather looked so pissed off,arms crossed and everything and then his grandmother did an excuse me cheer and looked at her husband and quickly sat back down.

Now I say...family or money ? loyalty to a family member or club? He had other family members around (I assumed they were; standing up and cheering for Joffrey).It just made me sick to see as I have seen a lot of his games in jr. and what not.I know my family would cheer me on no matter how much money/outside loyalty was at stake :rant:

I saw it too; I was wondering why they were wearing Oilers' jerseys, now I know. As you said, I thought it was weird how Lupul's grandparents barely showed any emotion, specially his grandfather. Lupul's grandfather was definetly not a happy man and looked disappointed slash mad, props to her grandma for showing some kind of emotion for her grandson. They should be proud of what Lupul has achieved.

Seriously? Are you actually trying to stir something up with this? His grandfather obviously LOVES the oilers and him and his wife must bleed oiler Blue, so what do you expect them to win when their team of 30 years has an empty net goal scored on them? Also its an empty net goal, not like it was a huge accomplishment individually for Lupul or it was even a nice play.

Lupul's own brother refuses to cheer for him cause he is also a diehard oiler fan, does that make you sick too?

That is what happens when you are a diehard fan of 30 years, a fan so commited to the team that they will use their own money to help keep the team here.

Also care to explain why having a group of 38 owners is a joke? Its a joke to have a large group of wealthy Oiler fans use their own money to keep the team in Edmonton? How in the world is that a joke? It sure beats having some billionare owning a team so he has bragging rights to his other rich friends. I just can not comprehend how you can see that as a joke.

Are the Green Bay Packers a joke because they are owned by their fans?

as CanadianPantherFan sayed...even if my father,grandfather or whoever of my family would own oilers himself, after i would score goal they would be cheering for me...

i dont get it how they cant show no emotion there...

That is what happens when you are a diehard fan of 30 years, a fan so commited to the team that they will use their own money to help keep the team here.



oh man oh man...even diehard fan would cheer for his grandson...

or you want to tell me that if your dad would be 30y diehard fan and he would't be happy from your goal in his team net, that's allright?
how would you feel?

as for how many owners they have

the city of edmonton wanted to keep the team--so it took that many people to get together to buy the team and keep it in edmonton

oh man oh man...even diehard fan would cheer for his grandson...

Clearly they wouldn't...or he would have.

or you want to tell me that if your dad would be 30y diehard fan and he would't be happy from your goal in his team net, that's allright?
how would you feel?

Joffrey has taken it in stride, because he's a professional.

If anyone caught the CBC telecast,Joff is from Edmonton/Fort.Sask area in case some of you did not know.

When he scored the empty net to make it 6-3,they showed a replay on the reaction of his grandparents on the goal.His Grandfather is 1/1000 owner of the club (or how many owners they have up there in Edmonton which is a joke but besides the point)anyways...his grandmother/grandfather were wearing Oilers jersey but that was not the reason I posted this.

When he scored into the empty net his grandfather looked so pissed off,arms crossed and everything and then his grandmother did an excuse me cheer and looked at her husband and quickly sat back down.

Now I say...family or money ? loyalty to a family member or club? He had other family members around (I assumed they were; standing up and cheering for Joffrey).It just made me sick to see as I have seen a lot of his games in jr. and what not.I know my family would cheer me on no matter how much money/outside loyalty was at stake :rant:

I don't see what the big deal is. Haven't you ever competed against family members in games or sports? You can be proud of your family member even if you are disgusted that he beat you. Grandpa can be upset that his grandkid scored the goal that beat his team, but then later on complement him on it.

Lupul'll offer a hat trick to his grand pa for the next game! How many grand pa would react like this? 1 for 1000......

oh man oh man...even diehard fan would cheer for his grandson...

or you want to tell me that if your dad would be 30y diehard fan and he would't be happy from your goal in his team net, that's allright?
how would you feel?

It was an empty net goal that he guided (barely) into the net. It is proboly the least exciting play in hockey (except for the fact that it means your team won the game) so why in the world would his grandpa get excited about that?

Your grandson "scores" a goal by skating a puck in the direction of an empty net vrs. the team you own losing a very important playoff game? Hrmmm I wonder which would be more important to him at that time?

Give me a break its not like Lupul went around 3 oilers and roofed it showing off his great ability, there was nothing to get excited about on that play.

at least he should :clap: when camera was there...

It was an empty net goal that he guided (barely) into the net. It is proboly the least exciting play in hockey (except for the fact that it means your team won the game) so why in the world would his grandpa get excited about that?

Your grandson "scores" a goal by skating a puck in the direction of an empty net vrs. the team you own losing a very important playoff game? Hrmmm I wonder which would be more important to him at that time?

Give me a break its not like Lupul went around 3 oilers and roofed it showing off his great ability, there was nothing to get excited about on that play.

Whatever it is a great goal or a poor goal, the behaviour of Grand Pa is bad.

Just a question ... was the clip of the grandparents actually when Lupul scored? Because to me there was no proof of that ... it could of been any time in the game.

Who gives a ****? He'll root for whomever he wants to root for. His relationship with his grandson is his business, not ours.

This thread is stupid. It is pretty well known fact that the majority of Lupul's family are Oilers fans. Who cares whether grandma and grandpa jumped up and down or not. I am certain they are happy for their grandson and what he has accomplished. It doesn't mean they need to cheer for his hockey team in the building of their own. This thread needs to be closed. :shakehead

Seeing the varying opinion on this thread, I think it is a good topic of discussion.

IMO, hockey isn't life or death. People who can't cheer for the success of their children/relatives have serious issues.

yeah, it is silly.

A) I can understand an initial bit of surprise for any who saw the grandpa not cheer for his grandson at that moment...but ultimately all you see is one little moment. That moment does not equate to: love of team >>> love of grandson The term bitter-sweet can easily apply.

B) I can understand the grandps being overwhelmed with disappointment in the team and that being expressed despite his love for his grandson. That goal was the final deflating moment in a pretty ineffective night overall for his team.

Heck, he may even have been grimacing with the idea that 'Dang, i wish Joffrey played for us.'

Ultimately, don't let that moment define the relationship between grandpa and grandson. Understand it for what it is...everyone has moments where they react differently than they truly feel.

IMO, hockey isn't life or death. People who can't cheer for the success of their children/relatives have serious issues.

No kidding ... I've got friends who think I'm insane when it comes to being a hockey fan, but when it comes to important stuff relating to friends and family, hockey ALWAYS takes a back seat.

OTOH, I'm also of the mind to not give a ****. Just because other people take sports way too seriously, doesn't impact my life in any way. I find it more funny than anything else.

What a rediculous thread...

However FWIW, the grandparents in question are only grandparents because of a second marriage between Lupul's parents.

seriously. if my boy (or when he has a boy someday) made the nhl and played for the kings, you better bet the whole family would be rocking the purple glitter!!

12 years since a Canadian team was in the Finals 13 since a Canadian team won the Cup & 16 years since the last Oilers Cup ... I can understand why his grandfather wouldn't clap since he's part owner of the OILERS

This getting blown out of proportion. I know Joffrey and he is a good guy, he knows that his family has not seen the oilers lift the cup in a long time and they want to see the oilers do that. They also want to see Joffrey do it, I know his parents are cheering for the him and the ducks naturally but hockey here is not like hockey there, it is a way of life, especially when you played your whole life and watched your whole life. This is huge. His brother is cheering for edmonton as are his cousins and friends (most of them).

Also his grand parents are part owners, this means you are obligated to cheer for your team. If they show too much excitement when loops scores then people may be a little disappointed.

One of my best friends plays in the NHL and I would rather see the oilers win the cup then him. It is close because I would get to sleep with the cup but I would rather the oilers win it.

The fact is winning the stanley cup is a huge huge ordeal here and a lot of people from the states don't understand that. I mean his brother is cheering against him. I think it is more a case of not understanding the situation then his family not cheering for him.

Seriously? Are you actually trying to stir something up with this? His grandfather obviously LOVES the oilers and him and his wife must bleed oiler Blue, so what do you expect them to win when their team of 30 years has an empty net goal scored on them? Also its an empty net goal, not like it was a huge accomplishment individually for Lupul or it was even a nice play.

Lupul's own brother refuses to cheer for him cause he is also a diehard oiler fan, does that make you sick too?

That is what happens when you are a diehard fan of 30 years, a fan so commited to the team that they will use their own money to help keep the team here.

Also care to explain why having a group of 38 owners is a joke? Its a joke to have a large group of wealthy Oiler fans use their own money to keep the team in Edmonton? How in the world is that a joke? It sure beats having some billionare owning a team so he has bragging rights to his other rich friends. I just can not comprehend how you can see that as a joke.

Are the Green Bay Packers a joke because they are owned by their fans?

Absolutely right. And it would had been a shame when he would had cheered for the Ducks only because his grandson is playing there. Why should he??? It's not his fault that Joffrey is playing for the wrong club...

Absolutely right. And it would had been a shame when he would had cheered for the Ducks only because his grandson is playing there. Why should he??? It's not his fault that Joffrey is playing for the wrong club...


Exactly, if we all had our way Joffrey would be our second line RW sniper we all want.

IMO, hockey isn't life or death. People who can't cheer for the success of their children/relatives have serious issues.


I'd imagine there's more than a few people in Edmonton who wouldn't totally agree with that statement.

12 years since a Canadian team was in the Finals 13 since a Canadian team won the Cup & 16 years since the last Oilers Cup ... I can understand why his grandfather wouldn't clap since he's part owner of the OILERS

For his grandparents also they've been waiting a decade or more for this chance, yet Lupul is still relatively early in his career and will have many opportunities. For his family, how can they not want their home team to win and have faith he will go on to win it another time, or multiple times.

H.

Exactly, if we all had our way Joffrey would be our second line RW sniper we all want.

Agreed :handclap:

Lupal is a great player and his grandparents are very happy for him that he is in the NHL but they are part owners of the team he is competing against. Think about this, you own a business and your grandson works for another competitor...do you want him to do better at the cost of your business??? No! haha... Joffrey will come home and play one day in the Copper and Blue anyway :handclap:

This getting blown out of proportion. I know Joffrey and he is a good guy, he knows that his family has not seen the oilers lift the cup in a long time and they want to see the oilers do that. They also want to see Joffrey do it, I know his parents are cheering for the him and the ducks naturally but hockey here is not like hockey there, it is a way of life, especially when you played your whole life and watched your whole life. This is huge. His brother is cheering for edmonton as are his cousins and friends (most of them).

Also his grand parents are part owners, this means you are obligated to cheer for your team. If they show too much excitement when loops scores then people may be a little disappointed.

One of my best friends plays in the NHL and I would rather see the oilers win the cup then him. It is close because I would get to sleep with the cup but I would rather the oilers win it.

The fact is winning the stanley cup is a huge huge ordeal here and a lot of people from the states don't understand that. I mean his brother is cheering against him. I think it is more a case of not understanding the situation then his family not cheering for him.

I'm a Ducks fan, but I think you hit the nail on the head. Even though we've been season-ticket holders since the Ducks came into existence---and we're far more than casual fans--we know that hockey is virtually a religion in Canada. About five years ago, we had the privilege of spending about a month with a family in Kamloops. (There are some pro hockey players in the family and they have had ties with the Blazers for many years.)

It was a real eye-opener, particularly watching their then 5- and 7-year old kids at summer hockey camp.

For those of you who are critical of Lupul's grandparents, do you think an active NHL coach would be cheering if his son scored a goal for the opponent during the playoffs? Sure, Lupul's grandparents position isn't totally analagous to that of the hypotehtical NHL coach, but their longstanding love of the Oilers makes their reaction totally understandable to me.

Seeing the varying opinion on this thread, I think it is a good topic of discussion.

So we need a moderator to moderate the moderators?

IMO, hockey isn't life or death. People who can't cheer for the success of their children/relatives have serious issues.

His team (his investment$$$), just lost a ticket to the finals ($$$$). How happy should he have been? And how the "H" can anybody know what he was feeling. Maybe the man never smiles??? A lot of assumptions taking place here, but it warrants further discussion I guess, as long as it paints an Edmontonian with a negative :dunno:

As stupid as this seems I think I speak for a lot of life long oiler fans that we feel like the oilers are our family in a sense, I mean I spend a lot of money on them (season tickets), hats, paraphernalia etc. We have watched this team grown and mature, we have seen them go through a lot and for the first time in so many years we are starting to see the pay off and it is a very nice thing to see.

For us we have been struggling with the dollar, escalating player salaries, a smaller city and we don't have a billionaire owner to keep us in contention so finally we are on a more level playing field and we are seeing a the oilers take advantage of it before the cap goes up again and we are S-O-Led again.

They call the red sox fans red sox nation well I think we should call edmonton the Oiler Nation because it is like a religion over here.

The oilers control my mood a lot of times, it can make me happy and it can make me mad. I lose sleep over it etc... What I am saying is that the oilers are pretty much as close as you can get to being my family with out being family. Sad? Pathetic? Over the top? Most likely a yes to all of those but I can't help. Bring home the cup boys and cheer lupul on next season.

So we need a moderator to moderate the moderators?


Call me liberal but I believe in the first amendment right. I will give most posters on the Ducks board some range as long as it follows the HF rules. People should feel welcome to express their opinion without a nazi censoring their every word.

Call me liberal but I believe in the first amendment right. I will give most posters on the Ducks board some range as long as it follows the HF rules. People should feel welcome to express their opinion without a nazi censoring their every word.

And that's why we love you and why I keep coming back

If anyone caught the CBC telecast,Joff is from Edmonton/Fort.Sask area in case some of you did not know.

When he scored the empty net to make it 6-3,they showed a replay on the reaction of his grandparents on the goal.His Grandfather is 1/1000 owner of the club (or how many owners they have up there in Edmonton which is a joke but besides the point)anyways...his grandmother/grandfather were wearing Oilers jersey but that was not the reason I posted this.

When he scored into the empty net his grandfather looked so pissed off,arms crossed and everything and then his grandmother did an excuse me cheer and looked at her husband and quickly sat back down.

Now I say...family or money ? loyalty to a family member or club? He had other family members around (I assumed they were; standing up and cheering for Joffrey).It just made me sick to see as I have seen a lot of his games in jr. and what not.I know my family would cheer me on no matter how much money/outside loyalty was at stake :rant:

If you're so upset by his grandfather's reaction, why not call the guy and tell him how you feel instead of wasting other people's time with this melodramatic s##t!!!

And that's why we love you and why I keep coming back

For me it's the free cookies and the hot babes (heyyyyyyyy Pepper :sarcasm: )

Some dude in FLA doesn't have a foggiest in trying to understand what it means to be a "hockey family" like the Lupuls'.
Serioulsy,those people are tight. Don't worry. The grandson is well taken care of :propeller Get a grip.

Hockey Team over Grandson....Check!

I just think Oiler fan is a bit upset right now....don't worry you have this series wrapped up...there's no way, the Ducks can win 3 in a row, with 2 games being played at the pond....good luck in the Stanley Cup Finals!

For me it's the free cookies and the hot babes (heyyyyyyyy Pepper :sarcasm: )

I didn't get any cookies... :(

The way many of you are defending team loyalty, it's almost as if you're suggesting that it's alright to cheer for the Oilers and ignore that Lupul even exists. Obviously, that's wrong and not what you really mean. IMO, the grandparents should be happy with the success of both, not one over the other. There's too much pressure to "choose" nowadays, IMO.

Call me liberal but I believe in the first amendment right. I will give most posters on the Ducks board some range as long as it follows the HF rules.

fair enough, but I thought it was against the rules to inject personal attacks. The original poster assumed the state of mind of the grandparent, and attacked him based on that assumption. No evidence was provided, just conjecture.

People should feel welcome to express their opinion without a nazi censoring their every word.

Again we agree, but does it not cross the line when CanadianPantherFan makes a character attack against a man whom he knows nothing about. A rational discussion about split allegiances would be great, but it was a flame disguised as a debate. The right thing to do would be to lock it down and start over without the assumptions.

It is against the rules to discuss complaints on the public boards. Take it to PM, either with me or an admin.

There's nothing wrong with the post that started this thread. If there were, most of the posters on this site would be in violation for personal attacks, mostly on players. I'd be very surprised, elgruntus, if you never saw a player act in a way that you thought repulsive and then "assumed the state of mind of [the player], and attacked him based on that assumption."

Seriously? Are you actually trying to stir something up with this? His grandfather obviously LOVES the oilers and him and his wife must bleed oiler Blue, so what do you expect them to win when their team of 30 years has an empty net goal scored on them? Also its an empty net goal, not like it was a huge accomplishment individually for Lupul or it was even a nice play.

Lupul's own brother refuses to cheer for him cause he is also a diehard oiler fan, does that make you sick too?

That is what happens when you are a diehard fan of 30 years, a fan so commited to the team that they will use their own money to help keep the team here.

Also care to explain why having a group of 38 owners is a joke? Its a joke to have a large group of wealthy Oiler fans use their own money to keep the team in Edmonton? How in the world is that a joke? It sure beats having some billionare owning a team so he has bragging rights to his other rich friends. I just can not comprehend how you can see that as a joke.

Are the Green Bay Packers a joke because they are owned by their fans?
cool so if you own a team and your son scores a goal against them you will be disappointed?

cool so if you own a team and your son scores a goal against them you will be disappointed?

You've never had mixed emotions about an event before?

Agreed :handclap:

Lupal is a great player and his grandparents are very happy for him that he is in the NHL but they are part owners of the team he is competing against. Think about this, you own a business and your grandson works for another competitor...do you want him to do better at the cost of your business??? No! haha... Joffrey will come home and play one day in the Copper and Blue anyway :handclap:
I doubt that, he seems to relish the so cal lifestyle.

You've never had mixed emotions about an event before?
uhh if I owned a team and my son or grandson played against them i'd still cheer for him to do well.

not when it involves family...nice try though

Get over it, who cares. Anybody can root for whoever they want. What about when the Primeau brothers fought each other? Did that make you sick?

uhh if I owned a team and my son or grandson
played against them i'd still cheer for him to do well.

Thanks for ignoring the rest of my post and trying to boil it down into your perceived notion that his grandfather dosnt care about him.

Who said he dosnt want Joffery to suceed in the NHL? He was just unhappy at that moment that his Oilers officially lost that game. Everyone is taking his reaction to that one event and then using it as the basis for how he feels about his grandson which is insane.

Seriously who gets that excited and proud when someone scores an empty net goal? Its like the sacrifice fly play in baseball, you win the game yet the play itself took no great individual accomplishment.

Everyone needs to stop asssuming that because he wasnt jumping up and down with joy that his grandson guided a puck into an empty net that he dosnt care about him. You do not know that family and you are trying predict what the family dynamic actually is.

Lupul's own Dad would not even comment on which team he was rooting for when this series started.

Actually, there was a big article about the whole split loyalties thing at the beginning of the series that ran in the Edmonton Sun. Here's the link:

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Playoffs/Anaheim/2006/05/19/1588256-sun.html

uhh if I owned a team and my son or grandson played against them i'd still cheer for him to do well.


Good that you are not an oiler fan/owner!

I think they handled it well, and who's to say they didn't congratulate him after the game like any family member would? Can you imagine the Edmonton Media seeing them cheering after Lups scored against THERE team!?

Hockey IS a business. Do you think anyone of the Sutter brothers was cheering for his brother on the otherside of the puck all those years? No, he was going to smoke him, slash him, beat him and do whatever it takes to win...then take him out for dinner after the game.

I've played hockey for eyars against my brother, he's just another number once the puck drops and until that final whistle. I hope he does well, but I'm not standing on my bench cheering when he scores.

Thanks for ignoring the rest of my post and trying to boil it down into your perceived notion that his grandfather dosnt care about him.

Who said he dosnt want Joffery to suceed in the NHL? He was just unhappy at that moment that his Oilers officially lost that game. Everyone is taking his reaction to that one event and then using it as the basis for how he feels about his grandson which is insane.

Seriously who gets that excited and proud when someone scores an empty net goal? Its like the sacrifice fly play in baseball, you win the game yet the play itself took no great individual accomplishment.

Everyone needs to stop asssuming that because he wasnt jumping up and down with joy that his grandson guided a puck into an empty net that he dosnt care about him. You do not know that family and you are trying predict what the family dynamic actually is.

Lupul's own Dad would not even comment on which team he was rooting for when this series started.
never said that, but keep twisting my words.

hockey is a game, that's all it is.

Dont want to read it all, but heres my stance on it, Just because the grandfather/ other family members are cheering for the Oilers isn't like they hate Lupul, I mean come on, Lupul himself said that all his friends, and even his brother were cheering for the Oilers, he was completely fine with it, His grandparents I'm sure would like to see Lupul succeed, but when they are part Oiler Owners, they can't cheer for the other team, it sends the wrong message to the fans, making it seem like they don't want the team to win.

Makes me sick, puke, go blah.

Get your head out of you know where... :shakehead

Edm. fans asking to close the thread,why??? When your in the wrong you never want to talk.

I am Canadian!!! I know what hockey means here but don't tell me the poor sad sack Oilers need a cup because it's been so longgggg .It has not been as long say the Leafs so stop your whining.

Don't say hockey means more to some then others.That is an old worn out excuse that is used in the Canadian media to often and also MAKES ME SICK :rant: I am a Canadian fan of a American team for 13 plus years so don't tell me a recent bandwagon Oliers fan is more of a fan then I am for my club :teach: Whyte Oil(sidenote: a sad mimic job of the Red Mile where I reside).

Family compared to cheering for a friend.That has no comparsion in my opinion.Comparing apples/oranges there.

GOOD THREAD :handclap:

Get your head out of you know where... :shakehead

Edm. fans asking to close the thread,why??? When your in the wrong you never want to talk.

I am Canadian!!! I know what hockey means here but don't tell me the poor sad sack Oilers need a cup because it's been so longgggg .It has not been as long say the Leafs so stop your whining.

Don't say hockey means more to some then others.That is an old worn out excuse that is used in the Canadian media to often and also MAKES ME SICK :rant: I am a Canadian fan of a American team for 13 plus years so don't tell me a recent bandwagon Oliers fan is more of a fan then I am for my club :teach: Whyte Oil(sidenote: a sad mimic job of the Red Mile where I reside).

Family compared to cheering for a friend.That has no comparsion in my opinion.Comparing apples/oranges there.

GOOD THREAD :handclap:


You can cheer for which team you want. Doesn't interest anyone here.
The grandfather from Lupul loves the Oilers, you hate the Oilers. That's life...
Why should an Oiler Owner cheer for the Ducks? Because you hate the Oilers or his grandson is playing there? That is stupid. I couldn't respect anyone that change their opinion and cheer suddenly for another team, because one of the family is playing there. That's thinking of mothers, not of real fans!
Stupid thread. And Joffrey Lupul is not nearly so much pissed about it then you guys here. He said already he understand it in an interview...

There is no personal attack here.Stating an opinion and general discussion about family member vs . team loyalty. Oilers fans have taken this in the wrong direction.

I have seen Lups play through jr.(talented kid),Albertan know hockey and know how Edmontians take circumstances out of hand.

Why not cheer for a empty net? The game was over. He might have cheered for his grandson but that LOOK says otherwise.It's not a BIG deal but you Oilers fans would throw your family under the bus it sounds like in this thread.

So what if it's family members from other marriages?So ,adopted/broken house children matter not???

Why not cheer for a empty net? The game was over.


Because he was pissed that the oilers lost a Wc final game? :confused:
This can not be a serious discussion here...

I doubt that, he seems to relish the so cal lifestyle.

Dont underestimate the value of playing for the team you grew up around and the city you lived in. Look at what Pisani has done here, not to say that its the only reason he has 9 goals but its motivation and really gets these guys going. Of course Lupal loves it down there, he be crazy not too with all the women and variety of things to do but about the time he becomes a UFA his priorities could change, I would take him on the Oil in a heartbeat becasue he is awesome and I hope he does want to come home but you never know.

Why not cheer for a empty net? The game was over. He might have cheered for his grandson but that LOOK says otherwise.It's not a BIG deal but you Oilers fans would throw your family under the bus it sounds like in this thread.

:shakehead

I think the fact that he is AN OWNER for the team that just missed sweeping the Ducks would be one reason he looked choked and didn't cheer.

I think that his cheering in the stands when his team loses, JUST because it's his grandson scoring the empty net goal (who cheers and empty net goal that puts you up by 3 anyway?) would only get him crucified and no doubt a thread on this board questioning his loyalty to the team.

I think the fact that Lupul and everyone else knows it had nothing to do with who scored the goal...he was pissed because his team lost...who wouldn't be?

I really do think this thread is rediculous...it's all based on speculation and assumptions...and you know what they say when you assume something right? :D

Maybe Lupul shoud just demand a trade to Edmonton, then you guys wouldn't have to worry.

Maybe Lupul shoud just demand a trade to Edmonton, then you guys wouldn't have to worry.


LOL. As if that will happen! :biglaugh:

EVERYONE wants to play in Edmonton :sarcasm:

Dont underestimate the value of playing for the team you grew up around and the city you lived in. Look at what Pisani has done here, not to say that its the only reason he has 9 goals but its motivation and really gets these guys going. Of course Lupal loves it down there, he be crazy not too with all the women and variety of things to do but about the time he becomes a UFA his priorities could change, I would take him on the Oil in a heartbeat becasue he is awesome and I hope he does want to come home but you never know.
as long as Anaheim offered him a fair contract I don't think he'd leave. He seems to like to not have all the distractions of being at home. He'd have to want to go home pretty bad to leave a potentially great core of young forwards who all like each other.

EVERYONE wants to play in Edmonton :sarcasm:
But unfortunatley thats not possible.
When the Ducks draft playrs I don't think they ever expect the players family to be a long time Anaheim fan.
The fact that the waters are divided is that much more likely to happen when you draft a player from Edmonton.
Maybe your in a state of suprise over the fact that a hockey grandma's loyalty is unwavering just because of Lil' Joff's team colors...myself I say the Lupul family is a beauty story and ONLY OIL is thicker than blood :propeller

cool so if you own a team and your son scores a goal against them you will be disappointed?

It's not his son. Nor is it even his blood grandson.

uhh if I owned a team and my son or grandson played against them i'd still cheer for him to do well.

And nothing is saying he's not.


If you owned a team and you were one game away from a big ticket payday opportunity for the team that you love enough to invest your own captial into in order to have that team stay in town and watched your non-blood grandson score a goal that meant you weren't getting into the Finals and have that opportunity that you have been waiting for for so long to the point where you felt you should invest some of your own money to keep the team that you love in town so that they can actually get this opportunity, then you could make an accurate comment about his situation. But you're not.

Never mind the fact that the goal serves as an exclamation point to the fact that the Oilers played poorly and blew an opportunity.

You guys are talking as if he's pissed at Joffrey.

never said that, but keep twisting my words.

hockey is a game, that's all it is.

Exactly. And all Lupul did was score in that game.

It's not his son. Nor is it even his blood grandson.



And nothing is saying he's not.


If you owned a team and you were one game away from a big ticket payday opportunity for the team that you love enough to invest your own captial into in order to have that team stay in town and watched your non-blood grandson score a goal that meant you weren't getting into the Finals and have that opportunity that you have been waiting for for so long to the point where you felt you should invest some of your own money to keep the team that you love in town so that they can actually get this opportunity, then you could make an accurate comment about his situation. But you're not.

Never mind the fact that the goal serves as an exclamation point to the fact that the Oilers played poorly and blew an opportunity.

You guys are talking as if he's pissed at Joffrey.



Exactly. And all Lupul did was score in that game.
yeah non blood changes everything.

I am not getting worked up over this.

If anyone caught the CBC telecast,Joff is from Edmonton/Fort.Sask area in case some of you did not know.

When he scored the empty net to make it 6-3,they showed a replay on the reaction of his grandparents on the goal.His Grandfather is 1/1000 owner of the club (or how many owners they have up there in Edmonton which is a joke but besides the point)anyways...his grandmother/grandfather were wearing Oilers jersey but that was not the reason I posted this.

When he scored into the empty net his grandfather looked so pissed off,arms crossed and everything and then his grandmother did an excuse me cheer and looked at her husband and quickly sat back down.

Now I say...family or money ? loyalty to a family member or club? He had other family members around (I assumed they were; standing up and cheering for Joffrey).It just made me sick to see as I have seen a lot of his games in jr. and what not.I know my family would cheer me on no matter how much money/outside loyalty was at stake :rant:

Meh. It was only an empty netter. Nothing to write home about.

Maybe Lupul shoud just demand a trade to Edmonton, then you guys wouldn't have to worry.

He's a Newport Beach kid now...he can't go back...too used to the beach lifestyle now.

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: It's not like Jason Smith laid him out and while being taken off on the stretcher he was cheering the hit!!! His grandson is the OPPOSISTION....find something good to complain about. Then....go find another band wagon to jump on because the Ducks are about to be ousted.

The media pulled their usual crap, and look at all who bought it.

Day after day, the media try to find/invent some new angle to talk about. They do it because that is their job. The Lupul/grandfather angle is just the latest. Don't you remember the battling Niedermayers and their mother with divided loyalties two years ago? More spin, er, interest.

Judging a man based on a few seconds' reaction to his grandson's goal -- a weak, empty net-goal of no game determining significance -- is nonsense. Maybe he just didn't like 6 goals on the board against his team? Maybe he had a bet on the goal differential?

Lupul and his grandfather are adults and can work their relationship out for themselves. Joffrey didn't seem to be upset about it.

Craig Lupul (Joff's father) was featured on the Calgary news tonight.

"Blood is thicker then anything"

No mention of Oil thicker then water so you know.

Btw he's a 10 yr. plus season ticket holder so don't go on Oiler fans about your team loyalty over family.You can like both but when it's family you more often then not draw the line :)

You know what, Joffrey's father doesn't OWN PART OF THE TEAM.

Good god.

My dad loves me with everything he has, but as a tortured Leaf fan I would expect him to cheer against me if my team played the Leafs. (Were I ever good enough to play in the NHL :biglaugh: )

Why? Because that's a part of the game! The game remember. You can be proud of your grandson on a personal level - as I am sure they are - but when it comes to the GAME you can also hope his team doesn't win.

And if the Ducks beat the Oilers, I'm sure they would ALL hope for Lupul to win the cup.

CanadianPantherFan you're just clearly a Calgary troll. You rip on Edmonton's ownership as a joke despite how it saved the team. You rip on people partying on White Avenue because apparently anyone partying after a win rips off the precious Red Mile. You don't like the Oilers and took this as an opportunity to attack them - you don't hide that very well.

Many people in this thread have fair and well thought out opinions. You're just here to attack.

You know this is a Ducks section - and many agree with the original poster. I don't think Oilers fans should be accusing anyone of anything over here.

You know this is a Ducks section - and many agree with the original poster. I don't think Oilers fans should be accusing anyone of anything over here.

The thread started as a personal attack on Lupul's grandparents, who are part owners of the Oilers. It's not just some innocent comment asking for discussion.

You know this is a Ducks section - and many agree with the original poster. I don't think Oilers fans should be accusing anyone of anything over here.

Welcome to the internets.


It's not too surprising that Ducks fans would take a perspective that somehow favours the Ducks' player.

Flip it and you guys would be defending the grandfather, and we'd be *****ing at him.

The thread started as a personal attack on Lupul's grandparents, who are part owners of the Oilers. It's not just some innocent comment asking for discussion.

Personal attack??? What the hell are you talking about??

Point is that this is a Ducks board, we don't close threads here because Oilers fans don't like it. Maybe you can copy & paste this thread to Oilers forum and close it immediately? :sarcasm:

And the original poster has a point, the success of his grandson SHOULD be much more important that the success of his favorite team.

Welcome to the internets.


It's not too surprising that Ducks fans would take a perspective that somehow favours the Ducks' player.

Flip it and you guys would be defending the grandfather, and we'd be *****ing at him.

And that's exactly the point - since this is Ducks section we don't really care what the Oilers fans think.

And that's exactly the point - since this is Ducks section we don't really care what the Oilers fans think.

Welcome to the internets.

If you post something on it, expect replies. If you don't care what people reply to about it, then don't respond. Specifically, if you don't care what Oilers fans make, you shouldn't make a thread on a public internet forum criticizing an Oilers fan.

I agree with the sentiment that people are blowing this out of proportion. If the situation were reversed, you'd be defending the grandfather.

And the original poster has a point, the success of his grandson SHOULD be much more important that the success of his favorite team.

Why? It is just a game.

If you post something on it, expect replies. If you don't care what people reply to about it, then don't respond. Specifically, if you don't care what Oilers fans make, you shouldn't make a thread on a public internet forum criticizing an Oilers fan.

Wait - we shouldn't be starting threads in the DUCKS section because we don't care what OILERS fans think about the topic???

Good lord. :shakehead

Wait - we shouldn't be starting threads in the DUCKS section because we don't care what OILERS fans think about the topic???

Good lord. :shakehead

You shouldn't post on a public internet board and expect to hide behind the veil of "we don't care what Oilers fans think." If you really don't want to deal with it, then don't create the post. Because there WILL be responses. It doesn't matter if you don't care what Oilers fans think, because Oilers fans will come in and defend an Oilers fan. You insult an Oilers fan (the grandpa), and then try to hide behind "we don't care what Oilers fans think."

A quick look see at your recent posts have you posting on the Canucks board, Kings board, and yes, even the Oilers boards.

Do you think Oilers fans care what you think about Roloson and his "diving?"

Do you think Oilers fans care what your opinion was on the Laraque-Fedoruk fights?

Do Canucks fans care what your opinion is on Nummelin.

I mean, are you saying that people cannot discuss topics that you don't like?

You just don't get it - I'm not the one who said we shouldn't be discussing this, I said Oilers fans really don't have any say on this board whether we can discuss some topic or not.

It was the OILERS fans here who said this thread should be locked.

Pay attention will ya!

The reply line that I got involved with was you saying:

You know this is a Ducks section - and many agree with the original poster. I don't think Oilers fans should be accusing anyone of anything over here.

Which was immediately after shawnmullin's post, which made no inclination that this thread should be closed, but rather voiced his opinions on the topic. He even went so far to say "Many people in this thread have fair and well thought out opinions."

The last mention of locking the thread down was several posts before yours. If you don't want to be misunderstood, you should quote what you're talking about. Your post came immediately after shawnmullin's reply, and with no quote, the best anyone can do is assume that your response was a reply to him, as that is a typical message board convention.

I'm not going to close this thread. End of story.

However, this thread is going down the toilet when it becomes a pissing contest. Stay on topic or I'm going to start deleting your posts and issuing warning points.

Jerky

It's clear in the article linked to in this thread that the man loves his grandson very much, as does Lupul's grandmother and all his family. To say their choice in which team they cheer for "makes me sick" is outlandish and foolish.

Ol' Gramps can cheer for his grandson on the golf course tomorrow.

Series is over tonight Boys!!!

:D

Ol' Gramps can cheer for his grandson on the golf course tomorrow.

Series is over tonight Boys!!!

:D

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Fortunately, the game is played on the ice.

Lupul was born a year before Edmonton won its first cup...they were fans LONG before he came into the NHL and was on a different team. The grandparents are entitled to cheer for any team they wish to...to presume YOU know what they should cheer for is absolutely ridiculous...that is like saying to a lifelong Leaf fan they should cheer for a Senator because someone they know or has a family member is on the team. Many Leaf fans would say that it would never happen.

I have no problem with any choices anyone makes and anyone who presumes they should change their mind because someone else has a problem with it is sad. YOU cannot change how someone feels about something no matter how much you might disagree with it.

Now I am sure they don't want anything bad to happen to him and would be cheering him on if they were playing any other team. Sad to see grandparents being bashed for how they feel. :shakehead

And the original poster has a point, the success of his grandson SHOULD be much more important that the success of his favorite team.


It's not his favourite team, it is, quite literally, his team.


People seem to be inferring a hell of alot about the man simply because of what a 3 second clip showed. For all we know, he didn't even realize that it was Lupul that scored the goal. His wife did, but maybe he didn't.

Frankly, I don't see how it's not possible for him to cheer for his grandson as an individual and his team as a collective entity. An empty net goal to make it 6-3 isn't really "stand up on your feet and cheer" worthy under these circumstances.

Either way, he's owned the Oilers for longer than Lupul has played for the Ducks.

This is dumb. Seriously.

He scored a meaningless and routine empty net goal. That's not something any parent or grandparent should get too excited about. Nothing wrong with acting like he's done it before.

Like someone said earlier, it is VERY easy to cheer for your own team and still be proud of accomplishments against you by someone special. I'm sure they are very proud of Joffrey as a person and a hockey player. Anyone who gets physically ill when they don't see the old man (who appeared to be clutching a cane in one hand and an IV bag in the other) erupting in cheers needs to find more important things in life to worry about.

Sorry Jerky Leclerc, I said I was done with this but I can't leave without responding.

There's nothing wrong with the post that started this thread. If there were, most of the posters on this site would be in violation for personal attacks, mostly on players. I'd be very surprised, elgruntus, if you never saw a player act in a way that you thought repulsive and then "assumed the state of mind of [the player], and attacked him based on that assumption."

If I ever posted a thread about Marchant's kid's, or Neidermayer's wife, then I hope someone online would give me a proverbial kick in the junk. Make assumptions and criticize players, coaches, GM's, trainers, officials, goal judges, ice makers or anthem singers if you must. At least they have something to do with the game.


There is no personal attack here.Stating an opinion and general discussion about family member vs . team loyalty.

Riiiiight. "Made me sick" implies that a rational discussion is to follow. A smack to the Oilers ownership group is relevant to the loyalty topic, and then...

When he scored into the empty net his grandfather looked so pissed off,arms crossed and everything and then his grandmother did an excuse me cheer and looked at her husband and quickly sat back down.

So you're telling me that this doesn't paint the Grandfather as an unpleasent man? His wife wanted to cheer, but after looking at her husband, she thought better of it. No, just a general discussion about loyalty?

I don't know Lupul's Grandfather, I've never met him, nor did I have a clue he was "1/1000" owner of the Oilers, but I do know, and other Edmonton posters have recognized, an Oiler hating Calgary troll when we see one.

I just want to say I'm not bashing the guys family, I just find it strange that they aren't cheering for him when most families would prioritize their family over team loyalties.

GREAT POST.....

not because of the sick comment.... but this....


Hockey IS a religion in Edmonton... and people don't just change religions
Lupul, knows that he and his mates, have a mtn to move regardless of family differences
IF, and it would be a surprise if the Ducks get to game 7 (thou, it would be great) and they will lose... Lupul will himself be pulling for the team that just beat him.
If a "MIRACLE" does happen for the Ducks... the family after the clean up of an EDMONTON RIOT, will then cheer for their boy Lupul
This has nothing to do with Lupul's crusty "grandpa" money involvement... money doesn't come into the equation.... it's Oiler pride.
ALL DUCK OWNERS WOULD DO THE SAME.... although, maybe they wouldn't... you need to be born/raised in Canada to know these things (well, maybe Minnesota, Boston, Pittsburg, Buffalo, and a few other hockey hot beds would be the same... on a basic level.)
And Edmonton (let's face it) doesn't have much going for it other than "hockey" all winter... so cut the family some slack... this is HUGE


I hope the series gets to a game 7.... that would be great for hockey... Oilers, Ducks, and all fans. The East looks to be headed to the same.

I just want to say I'm not bashing the guys family, I just find it strange that they aren't cheering for him when most families would prioritize their family over team loyalties.

Yea but this isn't a normal occurence. The grandfather owns the team so Lupul is in all intents and purposes competing directly against his own grandfather.

So the grandfather was upset about losing which is a completely normal response.
He'll probably tell Lupul "good job" after the game, but in the heat of the moment why would you expect him to be happy about a loss?

What about when Rob and Scott were playing on different teams and they played each other. If Rob scores against the Devils and Scott dosnt jump up and down with joy does that make you sick as well? Just because Scott isn't smilling that his brother just scored against his team DOES NOT mean that he does not want the best for his brother and is proud of him.

I liked how this thread is drawing positive/negative reaction.With my original post to start the thread,my goal was to draw something out of this and I have :)

I am a fan of neither club so my opinion should count the most really.This is the Ducks board ;if I wanted to Troll and piss people off a ton I would have posted it on the Edm. board :)

All these comments towards myself and Ana. fans courtesy of Edm. posters just makes me "LOVE" you guys more :shakehead

Bro vs. Bro different .They are playing each other.

Hockey is religion in Edmonton ,excuse after excuse.Who cares,does this Canadian care about you guys??? Does this add any validity to the thread??NO! Its about family over team loyalty.

Grandpa owns part of the Oilers.If that's the ONLY reason you Oiler fans can come up with,I rest my case :handclap:


p.s. I am not defending Red Mile and it's antics.All I am saying is you guys copied it and poorly to boot.

I liked how this thread is drawing positive/negative reaction.With my original post to start the thread,my goal was to draw something out of this and I have :)

I am a fan of neither club so my opinion should count the most really.This is the Ducks board ;if I wanted to Troll and piss people off a ton I would have posted it on the Edm. board :)

All these comments towards myself and Ana. fans courtesy of Edm. posters just makes me "LOVE" you guys more :shakehead

Bro vs. Bro different .They are playing each other.

Hockey is religion in Edmonton ,excuse after excuse.Who cares,does this Canadian care about you guys??? Does this add any validity to the thread??NO! Its about family over team loyalty.

Grandpa owns part of the Oilers.If that's the ONLY reason you Oiler fans can come up with,I rest my case :handclap:


p.s. I am not defending Red Mile and it's antics.All I am saying is you guys copied it and poorly to boot.

WOW, you're basing this on what? a 5 second clip?!?!? The grandpa could've given his congrats after the game or maybe even showed some emotion after the 5 second clip.. and what has the red mile have to do with anything regarding this thread?? YOU started this thread mainly on the reaction of the grandpa.. and now you're just trying to start a pissing match with oiler fans :shakehead ... and btw you know nothing about edmonton so don't even bother acting like you know jack.. and fyi most edmontonians call it WHYTE AVE

With my original post to start the thread,my goal was to draw something out of this and I have :)

Glad you finally admit why you started this thread, you came here to stir it up and you accomplished your goal congrats :clap:

I am a fan of neither club so my opinion should count the most really.This is the Ducks board ;if I wanted to Troll and piss people off a ton I would have posted it on the Edm. board :)

This thread is trolling, you knew full well the Oiler posters would see this and participate in this thread so do not pretend you had good intentions.

Stuff like this makes ME sick.

If anyone caught the CBC telecast,Joff is from Edmonton/Fort.Sask area in case some of you did not know.

When he scored the empty net to make it 6-3,they showed a replay on the reaction of his grandparents on the goal.His Grandfather is 1/1000 owner of the club (or how many owners they have up there in Edmonton which is a joke but besides the point)anyways...his grandmother/grandfather were wearing Oilers jersey but that was not the reason I posted this.

When he scored into the empty net his grandfather looked so pissed off,arms crossed and everything and then his grandmother did an excuse me cheer and looked at her husband and quickly sat back down.

Now I say...family or money ? loyalty to a family member or club? He had other family members around (I assumed they were; standing up and cheering for Joffrey).It just made me sick to see as I have seen a lot of his games in jr. and what not.I know my family would cheer me on no matter how much money/outside loyalty was at stake :rant:

the team you cheer for is a joke...

I liked how this thread is drawing positive/negative reaction.With my original post to start the thread,my goal was to draw something out of this and I have :)

I am a fan of neither club so my opinion should count the most really.This is the Ducks board ;if I wanted to Troll and piss people off a ton I would have posted it on the Edm. board :)

All these comments towards myself and Ana. fans courtesy of Edm. posters just makes me "LOVE" you guys more :shakehead

Bro vs. Bro different .They are playing each other.

Hockey is religion in Edmonton ,excuse after excuse.Who cares,does this Canadian care about you guys??? Does this add any validity to the thread??NO! Its about family over team loyalty.

Grandpa owns part of the Oilers.If that's the ONLY reason you Oiler fans can come up with,I rest my case :handclap:


p.s. I am not defending Red Mile and it's antics.All I am saying is you guys copied it and poorly to boot.

So what you're saying is that you intentionally trolled Oilers fans, and then complain when they bite? Does this make you feel good about yourself or something?

I am a fan of neither club so my opinion should count the most really.This is the Ducks board ;if I wanted to Troll and piss people off a ton I would have posted it on the Edm. board :)

Like you didn't know this thread would have been closed in minutes on the Edmonton board. The Duck's were playing the Oilers in round 3, so trolling Oiler fans was a gimme on this board.

All these comments towards myself and Ana. fans courtesy of Edm. posters just makes me "LOVE" you guys more :shakehead


No comments were towards Ana. fans, just you. But nice attempt



Hockey is religion in Edmonton ,excuse after excuse.Who cares,does this Canadian care about you guys??? Does this add any validity to the thread??NO! Its about family over team loyalty.

This is a topic that transcends any specific player or team. If you could have stated your case without the BS, this could have been a good discussion. You smacked The Oilers, you smacked Edmonton, and you smacked Lupul's Grandfather, then you just wanted to talk. Please...

Grandpa owns part of the Oilers.If that's the ONLY reason you Oiler fans can come up with,I rest my case :handclap:

Considering you never really made a case, just conjecture. Ever heard of a strawman?

p.s. I am not defending Red Mile and it's antics.All I am saying is you guys copied it and poorly to boot.

Yup, Calgary invented the street party. :shakehead Try to get that to fly in New Orleans. Just to let you know, we were partying on Whyte years before the Red Mile. We just never bothered to give it a silly name.

I originally didn't want to close this thread because I didn't want to censor an opinion that is unpopular with other people. However, reading some of the latest comments, I have come to a conclusion that this thread has become a pissing contest between fans of different teams...none of whom are Anaheim fans. If you guys want to continue this topic, take it to PM or find another board to continue.

Jerky