Elias & Havlat Scheming?....

I read on the "Bluline" report that Patrick might hire Havlat's agent. Although, Havlat has another year on his contract, I really believe these two want to play together. Where that might be, who knows.

Before leaving for vacation, Patrik Elias told us he’ll soon choose an agent for upcoming contract negotiations. The Devils ace has narrowed his list to just a few and admits that his best friend, Martin Havlat, will help him make a decision. That means that Havlat’s rep, Allan Walsh, could wind up negotiating for PE.

http://www.msgnetwork.com/content_news.jsp?articleID=v0000msgn20060522T20381 3198&newsgroup=ap.sportsml.columnist.article&sports=ice-hockey&team=other&league=nhl

If someone has at least 10 million to spend on them, then good for them.

Stan got the Allan Walsh news item from E.J. Hradek

Elias has narrowed the list down to "two or three" prospective agents. If he follows the lead of his close friend, Senators winger Martin Havlat, Elias might choose Octagon's Allan Walsh, who has represented a number of Eastern European players over the years. Elias expects to announce his decision (about his new agent) before returning back to his native Czech Republic next week

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?id=2448406

I read on the "Bluline" report that Patrick might hire Havlat's agent. Although, Havlat has anothe year on his contract, I really believe these two want to play together. Where that might be, who knows.



http://www.msgnetwork.com/content_news.jsp?articleID=v0000msgn20060522T20381 3198&newsgroup=ap.sportsml.columnist.article&sports=ice-hockey&team=other&league=nhl

This is simple. From what a legit source is saying......Elias will sign for less money if Havlat is on the team........

Elias-Arnott-Havlat
Parise-Gomez-Gionta

In order for this to happen, Gio and Gomez just get 10 percent raises on their contracts.........Elias signs for 5, Havlat for 5 and Arnott for 3.

Gomez 2.4 mill or so
Gionta 750K or so
Elias 5 mill
Havlat 5 mill
Arnott 3 mill

total of 16 million in our top 6 we kick Tampas ***.

Then you've got
Pando 856K
Madden 2.84 mill
Marshall 950K
Brylin 1.48 or whatever he is
Janssen 450K
Wiemer 950K
White 2 mill
Rafalski 4.2 mill
Martin 1 mill
Matvichuk 1.1 mill
Lukowich 1 mill
Hale 850K
Brodeur 5.2 mill
Ahonen 850K

23,726,000
+
16,000,000
---------------
39,726,000

And if we buy out Malakhov and he costs 1 million that's 40,726,000 and Mogilny if he has to count 43,726,000 + McGillis at 2.2 = 45,926,000

I mean this is all a bunch of BS in my opinion but could you imagine a team:

Elias-Arnott-Havlat
Parise-Gomez-Gionta
Pandolfo-Madden-Brylin
Janssen-Wiemer-Marshall

Rafalski-Matvichuk
White-Martin
Hale-Lukowich

Brodeur
Ahonen

Eat it NHL.

*loads up NHL 06*

Another wrinkle in the new CBA

Feaster said the NHL has a moratorium on signing new contracts from June 15, or 48 hours after the final Stanley Cup game (whichever is later), through June 30. On June 27, any team can talk to any player about a deal

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/23/Lightning/Center_now_cornerstone.shtml

Teams will have less time to sign their own players before July 1 and other clubs can speak to the players three days before July 1.Game 7 of the Finals would be June 19

This is simple. From what a legit source is saying......Elias will sign for less money if Havlat is on the team........

Elias-Arnott-Havlat
Parise-Gomez-Gionta

In order for this to happen, Gio and Gomez just get 10 percent raises on their contracts.........Elias signs for 5, Havlat for 5 and Arnott for 3.

Gomez 2.4 mill or so
Gionta 750K or so
Elias 5 mill
Havlat 5 mill
Arnott 3 mill

total of 16 million in our top 6 we kick Tampas ***.

Then you've got
Pando 856K
Madden 2.84 mill
Marshall 950K
Brylin 1.48 or whatever he is
Janssen 450K
Wiemer 950K
White 2 mill
Rafalski 4.2 mill
Martin 1 mill
Matvichuk 1.1 mill
Lukowich 1 mill
Hale 850K
Brodeur 5.2 mill
Ahonen 850K

23,726,000
+
16,000,000
---------------
39,726,000

And if we buy out Malakhov and he costs 1 million that's 40,726,000 and Mogilny if he has to count 43,726,000 + McGillis at 2.2 = 45,926,000

I mean this is all a bunch of BS in my opinion but could you imagine a team:

Elias-Arnott-Havlat
Parise-Gomez-Gionta
Pandolfo-Madden-Brylin
Janssen-Wiemer-Marshall

Rafalski-Matvichuk
White-Martin
Hale-Lukowich

Brodeur
Ahonen

Eat it NHL.

*loads up NHL 06*

Havlat still has another year on his contract. Unless Lou works out a deal with Ottawa like you take our RFA in Gomez and will take yours, I can't see that happening this year. Then we would need a center, unless Elias moves to the middle. This is all very far fetched.

Havlat still has another year on his contract. Unless Lou works out a deal with Ottawa like you take our RFA in Gomez and will take yours, I can't see that happening this year. Then we would need a center, unless Elias moves to the middle. This is all very far fetched.

:teach: hence loads up NHL 06.

Elias-Arnott-Havlat
Parise-Gomez-Gionta
Pandolfo-Madden-Brylin
Janssen-Wiemer-Marshall

Rafalski-Matvichuk
White-Martin
Hale-Lukowich

Brodeur
Ahonen
...and while I'm at it, can I win the Megamillions, too?
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Eat it NHL.:biglaugh:

If Ottawa spends its money resigning Chara and Redden, it would make Havlat available. However, if we were to pick him up, it would obviously cost us a pretty penny in whatever we would be trading to get him, plus it will take up even more cap space we need for the D.

Trading Gomez is not an option for a team with no bonafide 2nd line center, and despite many people's assertions to the contrary, Zach Parise is not ready for that responsibility. Not to mention the fact that none of this makes us stronger up front which is a big liability for the the Devils.

I really like Patty's ability to play, but I like winning more. If all the options surrounding keeping him involve comprimising the future of the Devils, well.. adios. Of the teams left in the playoffs, there are very few offensive superstars left, these teams score from all 4 lines. We should spend our money wisely, making our team solid throughout over putting all our eggs in Patty's basket.

Havlat still has another year on his contract. Unless Lou works out a deal with Ottawa like you take our RFA in Gomez and will take yours, I can't see that happening this year. Then we would need a center, unless Elias moves to the middle. This is all very far fetched.


I can believe that Elias and Havlat would like to play together in the future if it worked out. Also, I think it is a reach to think it happens this season. Just to clarify the Havlat situation, he is RFA one year away from UFA.

:teach: hence loads up NHL 06.

Ahh NHL 2006, a beautiful fantasy land where my team costs just over 20 million dollars and boasts this lineup:

Cooke - Weiss - Gionta
Zherdev - McDonald - Svatos
Morrow - Draper - Koltsov
Cole - Horton - Cammaleri

Jackman - Van Ryn
Boumeester - Pitkannen
Liles - Vandermeer

Lethonen - Nittimaki

In order for this to happen, Gio and Gomez just get 10 percent raises on their contracts.........Elias signs for 5, Havlat for 5 and Arnott for 3.

Gomez 2.4 mill or so
Gionta 750K or so
Elias 5 mill
Havlat 5 mill
Arnott 3 millIf Gionta was only offered $750,000 after being selected the team MVP and setting the team record with 48 Goals (6th in the NHL) while putting up 89 Ponts (16th in the NHL,) I fully understand if he were to holdout or demand a trade. The guy also killed penalties for the team.

What I was going to post when I first saw this thread is:

Maybe Havlat is like a brother to Elias.

Ahh NHL 2006, a beautiful fantasy land where my team costs just over 20 million dollars and boasts this lineup:

Cooke - Weiss - Gionta
Zherdev - McDonald - Svatos
Morrow - Draper - Koltsov
Cole - Horton - Cammaleri

Jackman - Van Ryn
Boumeester - Pitkannen
Liles - Vandermeer

Lethonen - NittimakiYou select the Florida Panthers as your team? Also, you have more Flyers than Devils on your team.

What if Elias takes a paycut to play in Ottawa? :dunno:

What if Elias takes a paycut to play in Ottawa? :dunno:

I had a very scary thought about an hour ago:

Anaheim: RW Todd Bertuzzi
Vancouver: RW Daniel Alfredsson
Ottawa: G J.S. Giguere

Obviously there would have to be more to even it out, but those would be the main players involved. Then Ottawa signs Elias and Redden while letting Chara go. They'd have to deal Smolinski and his 2.2 million dollar deal.

Then you'd have something like:

Heatley-Spezza-Eaves
Elias-Fisher-Havlat
Schaefer-Vermette-Neil

Egads.

This is simple. From what a legit source is saying......Elias will sign for less money if Havlat is on the team........

Elias-Arnott-Havlat
Parise-Gomez-Gionta

In order for this to happen, Gio and Gomez just get 10 percent raises on their contracts.........Elias signs for 5, Havlat for 5 and Arnott for 3.

Gomez 2.4 mill or so
Gionta 750K or so
Elias 5 mill
Havlat 5 mill
Arnott 3 mill

total of 16 million in our top 6 we kick Tampas ***.



I am far from a Devils fan, but Gionta is an RFA, there is not a chance in the world he signs for less than a million. Two goals shy of 50, the leading scorer on the team, granted it would've been Elias had he played a full season, most guys with these stats would be signing more in the $3million range or higher. Since this is his 3rd full season in the league, and breakout season you may get him around $2.5 mil, but that's a steal.

Gionta for Havlat?

I am far from a Devils fan, but Gionta is an RFA, there is not a chance in the world he signs for less than a million. Two goals shy of 50, the leading scorer on the team, granted it would've been Elias had he played a full season, most guys with these stats would be signing more in the $3million range or higher. Since this is his 3rd full season in the league, and breakout season you may get him around $2.5 mil, but that's a steal.

To keep him we only have to offer a 10 percent raise.

To keep him we only have to offer a 10 percent raise.

And he turns that offer down and it goes to arbitration. If you think the arbitrator is going to rule in the Devils favor and give a sub 1 million dollar deal to a young player that just scored 48 goals you are nuts. And if it does hold up the Players Association will have a legitimate gripe.......

You select the Florida Panthers as your team? Also, you have more Flyers than Devils on your team.

:biglaugh: What can I say? The devils are underrated and overpriced. Common, Madden is like an 80 for speed. It's all about speed in 2006 (both the game and the real thing).

To keep him we only have to offer a 10 percent raise.

doesn't mean he has to or will take it.

If we dump Langs, Wiemer, and Marshall. We could give Gionta a substantial raise, and have room for Havlat.

Bergfors - Gomez - Gionta
Elias - Parise - Havlat
Pandolfo - Madden - Tallackson
Ryznar - Brylin - Janssen


Bergfors ?
Gomez 3.6
Gionta 3.2
Elias 6.5 mill
Havlat 5 mill
Parise 703K
Pandolfo 856K
Madden 2.938 mill
Brylin 1.52
Tallackson 510K
Ryznar 500K
Janssen 450K
White 2 mill
Rafalski 4.2 mill
Martin 1 mill
Matvichuk 1.368 mill
Lukowich 1 mill
Hale 850K
Brodeur 5.2 mill
Clemmenson 500K
---------------
43,730,00
+ 2.36 mil (buying out Malakhov and Mogilny)
---------------
46.09 + Bergfor's Salary (No more than 1 mil)

That's one hell of a team. We'd be cutting close since we still don't know what the cap for us is next year. ~46.5 would be higher than the projected 43 mil cap.

Just a scary thought, Elias may not have a brother like Niedermayer did, but he has Havlat and Ottawa owns his butt for another year. Something to think about.

To keep him we only have to offer a 10 percent raise.

10% raise only means we maintain his rights. No way Gionta signs a contract for 10% raise over his current wage.

10% raise only means we maintain his rights. No way Gionta signs a contract for 10% raise over his current wage.

And it would be a mistake for Lou to even offer that. I believe Lamoriello will offer a decent contract, make that a good contract to Gio.

If we dump Langs, Wiemer, and Marshall. We could give Gionta a substantial raise, and have room for Havlat.

Bergfors - Gomez - Gionta
Elias - Parise - Havlat
Pandolfo - Madden - Tallackson
Ryznar - Brylin - Janssen


Bergfors ?
Gomez 3.6
Gionta 3.2
Elias 6.5 mill
Havlat 5 mill
Parise 703K
Pandolfo 856K
Madden 2.938 mill
Brylin 1.52
Tallackson 510K
Ryznar 500K
Janssen 450K
White 2 mill
Rafalski 4.2 mill
Martin 1 mill
Matvichuk 1.368 mill
Lukowich 1 mill
Hale 850K
Brodeur 5.2 mill
Clemmenson 500K
---------------
43,730,00
+ 2.36 mil (buying out Malakhov and Mogilny)
---------------
46.09 + Bergfor's Salary (No more than 1 mil)

That's one hell of a team. We'd be cutting close since we still don't know what the cap for us is next year. ~46.5 would be higher than the projected 43 mil cap.What are you going to use to get Havlat? Also, if Brylin is going to be a fourth liner, he should be let go. The Devils cannot afford to pay a 4th liner $1.5 million.

In a fantasy world I would love to to acquire Martin Havlat. But I do not think that is going to happen. Elias will command between 5.5 and 6 mill per year. Marty will make 5 mill plus so it would be hard to fit anyone of that magnitude under the cap despite it going up.

In the end I think it makes the most sense to resign Langenbrunner and Elias and possibly add roll players or a grinder like Dan Hinote for the 4th line.

Havlat would cost at LEAST one of Parise or Bergfors as the starting player going back.

Havlat would cost at LEAST one of Parise or Bergfors as the starting player going back.

I would trade Gomez for Havlat straight up myself, but that is just me.

I would trade Gomez for Havlat straight up myself, but that is just me.

You might need to add something since isn't Gomez a RFA THIS year and Havlat next? The Sens would probably want something besides him since he's going to command a pretty big contract.

Or is Havlat an RFA this year? I'm not sure, but I also think that they might want to go younger and cheaper in order to try and re-sign both Redden and Chara.

So I think their first choice would probably be one of Parise or Bergfors and something else.

You might need to add something since isn't Gomez a RFA THIS year and Havlat next? The Sens would probably want something besides him since he's going to command a pretty big contract.

Or is Havlat an RFA this year? I'm not sure, but I also think that they might want to go younger and cheaper in order to try and re-sign both Redden and Chara.

So I think their first choice would probably be one of Parise or Bergfors and something else.

I believe you are correct. But is Havlat a UFA or RFA next summer?
Actually, TSN.ca doesn't have Havlat signed for next year, so maybe he is a RFA?
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=3164&hubname=

I believe you are correct. But is Havlat a UFA or RFA next summer?
Actually, TSN.ca doesn't have Havlat signed for next year, so maybe he is a RFA?
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=3164&hubname=

He's definately not a UFA next year. That's as far as I know.

Like I said, I think you'll see them wanting cheap solid players and a guy like Parise wouyld definately be a good starting point. Remember -- Havlat is what, only 25?

He's definately not a UFA next year. That's as far as I know.

Like I said, I think you'll see them wanting cheap solid players and a guy like Parise wouyld definately be a good starting point. Remember -- Havlat is what, only 25?

As a Devils fan, no way do I entertain the idea of trading Parise for Havlat. Bergfors and something, maybe. Gomez might walk after 06-07, and then we will be left w/o a center if Parise is gone.

And to address the first page of this thread...I see no feasible way that Ottawa can give raises to guys like Havlat, re-sign one of Chara/Redden, then go after Elias.

I think that Havlat is worth a HUGE amount more than Parise is in a trade. Havlat can also play a bit of center, as he had done that in the past but was converted to wing.

I think that Havlat is worth a HUGE amount more than Parise is in a trade. Havlat can also play a bit of center, as he had done that in the past but was converted to wing.

Maybe he is, but from a Devils standpoint, at least right now (maybe not by 07-08 - when Parise, Zajac, Vrana, etc., are more developed), that isn't too feasible a deal.

This is simple. From what a legit source is saying......Elias will sign for less money if Havlat is on the team........

Elias-Arnott-Havlat
Parise-Gomez-Gionta

In order for this to happen, Gio and Gomez just get 10 percent raises on their contracts.........Elias signs for 5, Havlat for 5 and Arnott for 3.

Gomez 2.4 mill or so
Gionta 750K or so
Elias 5 mill
Havlat 5 mill
Arnott 3 mill

total of 16 million in our top 6 we kick Tampas ***.

Then you've got
Pando 856K
Madden 2.84 mill
Marshall 950K
Brylin 1.48 or whatever he is
Janssen 450K
Wiemer 950K
White 2 mill
Rafalski 4.2 mill
Martin 1 mill
Matvichuk 1.1 mill
Lukowich 1 mill
Hale 850K
Brodeur 5.2 mill
Ahonen 850K

23,726,000
+
16,000,000
---------------
39,726,000

And if we buy out Malakhov and he costs 1 million that's 40,726,000 and Mogilny if he has to count 43,726,000 + McGillis at 2.2 = 45,926,000

I mean this is all a bunch of BS in my opinion but could you imagine a team:

Elias-Arnott-Havlat
Parise-Gomez-Gionta
Pandolfo-Madden-Brylin
Janssen-Wiemer-Marshall

Rafalski-Matvichuk
White-Martin
Hale-Lukowich

Brodeur
Ahonen

Eat it NHL.

*loads up NHL 06*

What are the Devils trading to the sens for Martin Havlat?

He's definately not a UFA next year. That's as far as I know.

Like I said, I think you'll see them wanting cheap solid players and a guy like Parise wouyld definately be a good starting point. Remember -- Havlat is what, only 25?
Havlat is an RFA this year and, barring a long-term contract signing, a UFA next year. He will have 7 years in the league at that time.

As far as Sens fans are concerned with trades involving Havlat, they want someone who will help them win now-- a solid #1 goaltender or some kind of playoff warrior.

What are the Devils trading to the sens for Martin Havlat?

Signing him and giving up picks hahaha

I am far from a Devils fan, but Gionta is an RFA, there is not a chance in the world he signs for less than a million. Two goals shy of 50, the leading scorer on the team, granted it would've been Elias had he played a full season, most guys with these stats would be signing more in the $3million range or higher. Since this is his 3rd full season in the league, and breakout season you may get him around $2.5 mil, but that's a steal.


I always found it strange how apparent "foreign" posters feel the need to precurse everything they say with "i am not a Devils fan..."


I mean, who really cares?! Does it matter?
Do you think you are being disloyal for posting here?

Apologies, off topic, but I always thought that was strange.

In a fantasy world I would love to to acquire Martin Havlat. But I do not think that is going to happen. Elias will command between 5.5 and 6 mill per year. Marty will make 5 mill plus so it would be hard to fit anyone of that magnitude under the cap despite it going up.

In the end I think it makes the most sense to resign Langenbrunner and Elias and possibly add roll players or a grinder like Dan Hinote for the 4th line.

I want Fernando Pisani. Then we can play him with Pando and Gionta and call the "Italian Connection Line." :handclap:

havlat will cost parise, martin, or white. while havlat is a no-doubt talent, i would say that the three devils at their salaries are more valuable to the devils than havlat.

10% raise only means we maintain his rights. No way Gionta signs a contract for 10% raise over his current wage.
Probably wouldn't settle for that, but considering this is a guy who works in his dad's hardware store in the offseason, I don't see him necessarily looking to bankrupt the devils over one terrific season either.

havlat will cost parise, martin, or white. while havlat is a no-doubt talent, i would say that the three devils at their salaries are more valuable to the devils than havlat.

Good point. Those 3 combined would amount to Havlat's salary. I'll stick with 3 able bodies over a guy who was out more than half the season due to injury.

I think that Havlat is worth a HUGE amount more than Parise is in a trade. Havlat can also play a bit of center, as he had done that in the past but was converted to wing.

I'm not really sure what your obsession is with all things Devils, but once again, you're off the mark.

First of all, Gomez is signifigantly more valuable than Havlat. He is barely a year older, scores at a higher rate, and plays much more games per season (Havlat averages under 60). I mention this because of your previous post, and also because I believe that Parise and Gomez have at least comparable trade values.

I don't care if you think that Havlat is worth a HUGE or GINORMOUS or OMFGZLOLZZ!!!1!!1!!11 amount more than Parise; aside from the fact that you're probably wrong, it makes no difference to the Devils. Before last year, Havlat was worth a HUGE amount more than Gionta, before 2004, he was worth a HUGE amount more than Martin. And guess what, if Parise continues to develop at his current pace, he will probably put up 50 - 60 points next year at a dirt cheap price.

Why would a team that is already bumping up against the cap trade it's only cheap offensive forward? For a guy that criticizes Lou Lamorello every chance he gets, you seem to be clueless about how to construct a hockey team.

Here's how it goes down...The Devils are in a tough spot with the money Brad Richards just signed for, Gomez is going to ask for a significant raise and get it or be gone. I think Lou gives him his $$$ and signs him for a long term deal.

Across the river, The Rangers will trade Al Montoya, Rossival and a choice Prospect/pick to Florida for Roberto Luongo. Than they will trade Luongo to Ottawa straight up for Havlat.

Then the Rags will sign Elias at top dollar ( Jagr is their top dollar player now, but he is a steal at 4 mill and change)

The Rangers will also resign Sykora, Straka and Rucinsky at fair but bargain prices all agreed upon to assemble a historic Czech core for next year.

Here's how it goes down...The Devils are in a tough spot with the money Brad Richards just signed for, Gomez is going to ask for a significant raise and get it or be gone. I think Lou gives him his $$$ and signs him for a long term deal.

Across the river, The Rangers will trade Al Montoya, Rossival and a choice Prospect/pick to Florida for Roberto Luongo. Than they will trade Luongo to Ottawa straight up for Havlat.

Then the Rags will sign Elias at top dollar ( Jagr is their top dollar player now, but he is a steal at 4 mill and change)

The Rangers will also resign Sykora, Straka and Rucinsky at fair but bargain prices all agreed upon to assemble a historic Czech core for next year.



wow, thats all i have to say...

I know this is all just speculation for fun but I'm not sure why anyone is even worried about signing a guy like Havlat. I think if Lou can find a way to get Elias, Lags, Gionta and Gomez signed to long term deals, we will be more than set up front for years to come without getting a big name forward from somewhere else (which never happens anyway). We have plenty of forward prospects for almost every type of role imaginable that we will be able to fill in the rest of the lines with young cheap talent.

IMO, any extra money we might have after signing the big 4 on offense should be put towards improving our suspect defense.

The Rangers will also resign Sykora...
That alone might be enough incentive for Elias to not go to the Rangers. To my understanding, they are not on speaking terms.
I know this is all just speculation for fun.
Exactly.
It's kinda like "How big a mansion am I going to buy after I win $100 million?"
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I want Fernando Pisani. Then we can play him with Pando and Gionta and call the "Italian Connection Line." :handclap:

too bad Pisani is about as Italian as John Belushi.

too bad Pisani is about as Italian as John Belushi.

Belushi isn't an Italian name, Belucchi is and so is Pisani, no matter where his parents or grandparents are from. Italians settled all over the world from North America to South America, Australia and throughout Europe. Sorry dude, we can't all be Italians!

Belushi isn't an Italian name, Belucchi is and so is Pisani, no matter where his parents or grandparents are from. Italians settled all over the world from North America to South America, Australia and throughout Europe. Sorry dude, we can't all be Italians!


Belushi is Albanian

Pisani is Maltese



I'm well aware of the Italian migration, it just so happens that Pisani isn't Italian that's all. Also "Italian" surnames are common Spanish and Portoguese as well.

Belushi is Albanian

Pisani is Maltese



I'm well aware of the Italian migration, it just so happens that Pisani isn't Italian that's all. Also "Italian" surnames are common Spanish and Portoguese as well.

And I'm an American of Italian heritage. People from Malta can't be of Italian heritage? Anyway, let me humor myself. ;)

Here's how it goes down...The Devils are in a tough spot with the money Brad Richards just signed for, Gomez is going to ask for a significant raise and get it or be gone. I think Lou gives him his $$$ and signs him for a long term deal.

Across the river, The Rangers will trade Al Montoya, Rossival and a choice Prospect/pick to Florida for Roberto Luongo. Than they will trade Luongo to Ottawa straight up for Havlat.

Then the Rags will sign Elias at top dollar ( Jagr is their top dollar player now, but he is a steal at 4 mill and change)

The Rangers will also resign Sykora, Straka and Rucinsky at fair but bargain prices all agreed upon to assemble a historic Czech core for next year.


some pipe dream you got there.

And I'm an American of Italian heritage. People from Malta can't be of Italian heritage? Anyway, let me humor myself. ;)


Pisani is of Matlese decsent just as you are of Italian descent. My point is he's not Italian that's all.

Pisani is of Matlese decsent just as you are of Italian descent. My point is he's not Italian that's all.

Pisani's a Templar??

Seriously though, I think too many people just know the word paisan (sp?) and think its the same.. although Malta is pretty close to Italy.

Pisani's a Templar??

Seriously though, I think too many people just know the word paisan (sp?) and think its the same.. although Malta is pretty close to Italy.

Yes Malta is pretty close geographically to Italy, but the Maltese people are not pretty close to being Italian.

I come from a maltese family on my mother's side and I have been to Malta twice and Italy a few times. They are very different.

Malta has been dominated by almost every major European power over the last few thousand years including the Phoenicians, the Turks, the Romans Empire, and the English. Their language is from the Arabic branch of languages (the only phonetically Arabic language to use the Latin alphabet). Their culture has been dominated by the English since the 19th century.

The people relate more to the English than they do to the Italians, though Italian television and culture has crept into society over the past couple of decades.

To say that the Maltese are pretty much the same as Italians is an insult, even in jest.

Probably wouldn't settle for that, but considering this is a guy who works in his dad's hardware store in the offseason, I don't see him necessarily looking to bankrupt the devils over one terrific season either.The NBC crew was talking about Gionta and his family's hardware store during a Devils game. Either JD or McGuire said how Brian's parents can retire after the season Gionta just had because he will get such a big raise.

Yes Malta is pretty close geographically to Italy, but the Maltese people are not pretty close to being Italian.

I come from a maltese family on my mother's side and I have been to Malta twice and Italy a few times. They are very different.

Malta has been dominated by almost every major European power over the last few thousand years including the Phoenicians, the Turks, the Romans Empire, and the English. Their language is from the Arabic branch of languages (the only phonetically Arabic language to use the Latin alphabet). Their culture has been dominated by the English since the 19th century.

The people relate more to the English than they do to the Italians, though Italian television and culture has crept into society over the past couple of decades.

To say that the Maltese are pretty much the same as Italians is an insult, even in jest.

Uhm, in case that last bit was directed at me, keep in mind that the statement I made was my impression of why people thought he may have been Italian. I said he was a Templar, which is vaguely true.

Personally, I don't really care where he's from or anything about him for that matter since he's an Oiler. And being an Italian myself, I don't see anything bad about being Italian either unless of course, your not one and people say you are, which is where I hope you were going with that.

Uhm, in case that last bit was directed at me, keep in mind that the statement I made was my impression of why people thought he may have been Italian. I said he was a Templar, which is vaguely true.

Personally, I don't really care where he's from or anything about him for that matter since he's an Oiler. And being an Italian myself, I don't see anything bad about being Italian either unless of course, your not one and people say you are, which is where I hope you were going with that.

No I wasn't directing that last comment at you. It was a general statement. There is nothing wrong with being Italian. I know lots of them. Some of them are nice and other are not so nice - just like everyone else in the world. Calling a Maltese an Italian is akin to calling a Canadian an American; or calling a Kiwi an Aussie; or calling an Austrian a German; etc. Small countries next to larger countries often have that inferiority complex because they understand the difference between the two cultures when other people in the world may not.

No I wasn't directing that last comment at you. It was a general statement. There is nothing wrong with being Italian. I know lots of them. Some of them are nice and other are not so nice - just like everyone else in the world. Calling a Maltese an Italian is akin to calling a Canadian an American; or calling a Kiwi an Aussie; or calling an Austrian a German; etc. Small countries next to larger countries often have that inferiority complex because they understand the difference between the two cultures when other people in the world may not.

That's what I thought you meant. Alot of Canadians get easily rattled by being called America Jr. Doesn't bother me personally, but still I understand the inferiority complex associated with it.

I didn't mean to start a war of the races, I just wanted to create the first Italian connection line like the Sabres had the French connection line. I guess I'll have to hope we draft Esposito next year. I hope Esposito is Italian? Don't want to start anymore problems. ;)

I didn't mean to start a war of the races, I just wanted to create the first Italian connection line like the Sabres had the French connection line. I guess I'll have to hope we draft Esposito next year. I hope Esposito is Italian? Don't want to start anymore problems. ;)

Espo would be nice, but he'll most likely go #1, and I don't want the Devils to be in a spot like that unless it's via trade. Maybe we can bring Sergio Momesso and Tony Tanti back from retirement :D

Speaking of throwbacks, I want to see Hakan Loob back in the NHL in any capacity. That guy's name is awesome!

No I wasn't directing that last comment at you. It was a general statement. There is nothing wrong with being Italian. I know lots of them. Some of them are nice and other are not so nice - just like everyone else in the world. Calling a Maltese an Italian is akin to calling a Canadian an American; or calling a Kiwi an Aussie; or calling an Austrian a German; etc. Small countries next to larger countries often have that inferiority complex because they understand the difference between the two cultures when other people in the world may not.

...or a calling a New Yorker a New Jerseyite... ;)

Dino Ciccarelli?

Funny, this has come up in Czech press too: http://hokej.idnes.cz/vznikne-v-nhl-utocne-duo-elias-havlat-dwp-/nhl.asp?c=A060525_105259_nhl_Mkr Are you out there, Martin Korbas?

My Czech relies heavily on a dictionary, but this looks like it's just an opinion/speculation piece, nothing to get excited about.

Espo would be nice, but he'll most likely go #1, and I don't want the Devils to be in a spot like that unless it's via trade. Maybe we can bring Sergio Momesso and Tony Tanti back from retirement :D

Speaking of throwbacks, I want to see Hakan Loob back in the NHL in any capacity. That guy's name is awesome!

I know. I just through that out there.

Personally i Havlat isnt thet good, and i wouldnt overpay for him.....Plus he's soft.....In my mind!

But if we could optain him, why not start with,

OTT Gets: Matvichuck, Foster, & Ahonen
NJD Gets: Havlat

That is more than enough

OTT Gets: Matvichuck, Foster, & Ahonen
NJD Gets: Havlat

That is more than enough
No, it's not.

Personally i Havlat isnt thet good, and i wouldnt overpay for him.....Plus he's soft.....In my mind!

But if we could optain him, why not start with,

OTT Gets: Matvichuck, Foster, & Ahonen
NJD Gets: Havlat

That is more than enough
That is not even close to enough. They get a defenseman and 2 players who will not play in the NHL. Ottawa gets screwed in that deal.

Ottawa gets: Bergfors, Tallackson and a 1st round pick in 2006 for Havlat on the condition that Havlat and Elias both sign long term contracts

Now before Devils fans start *****ing that we're giving up too much, we're not. Who knows how good Bergfors will be, who the hell knows what the 1st round pick will be like and Tallackson well, hahahaha.....we get Havlat, proven NHL player and we keep Elias, I'd do a deal like that in a heart beat. Too bad Sens fans would scoff. Fine, want me to sweeten the deal? You can have Grant Marshall too lol jk

Speaking of throwbacks, I want to see Hakan Loob back in the NHL in any capacity. That guy's name is awesome!

Hakan Loob is one letter away from having hands down the best name in the history of sports (change the "b" to a "g" to get Hakan Loog). It also would have been pretty funny if he had played for the Oilers and somehow found his way into the front office, for when he was trying to sell season tickets, he certainly would be Hockin' Lube.

Hakan Loob is one letter away from having hands down the best name in the history of sports (change the "b" to a "g" to get Hakan Loog). It also would have been pretty funny if he had played for the Oilers and somehow found his way into the front office, for when he was trying to sell season tickets, he certainly would be Hockin' Lube.

Just shush

Just shush

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:biglaugh: no offense but that was lame *** lame

Considering the cap situations, Elias to Ottawa makes a lot more sense. Realistically we're gonna lose Chara or Redden, and we SHOULD be left with enough cap space to sign Elias if he's willing to take a slight cut. Unfortunately for you guys you're in cap hell so I'm not sure you could pull it off. If Havlat were dealt to you guys, Gomez would have to be coming back. I'm not sure that's such a great idea for either team though.

Considering the cap situations, Elias to Ottawa makes a lot more sense. Realistically we're gonna lose Chara or Redden, and we SHOULD be left with enough cap space to sign Elias if he's willing to take a slight cut. Unfortunately for you guys you're in cap hell so I'm not sure you could pull it off. If Havlat were dealt to you guys, Gomez would have to be coming back. I'm not sure that's such a great idea for either team though.I was thinking about a Gomez for Havlat deal. Elias and Havlat might then sign long-term deals at slightly-discounted prices. The Devils could then maybe get Jason Arnott, or a similar talent via free agency, and move Parise back to center.

There is no such thing as cap hell. If Malakhov and Mogilny can be bought out, their cap-hits spread out would basically be the additional salary Martin Brodeur deserves. Brodeur signed for $5.2 million per season. That's a great salary for a guy that has averaged over 71 Games Played and over 40 wins since the 1995-96 season.

But you said, "Cap hell." What are the Senators going to do about paying a goaltender? And aren't the Senators the ones that can't afford keeping both Redden and Chara? Elias is arguably a better player than either of those two, so where will you get the money to pay him unless he takes a huge pay cut to play with Havlat?

Would Ottawa want Gomez? They could just try to get Elias. They won't sign Redden & Chara as they will both probably take off and are tired of the choking they do.

Elias could very well end up signing there for a decent contract and Havlat re-signing long-term. Devils could get screwed with losing Elias, thats a major loss to the team, when he's in the devils lineup...i don't have to tell you guys.



BTW, its time you guys traded for Miroslav Satan.

Would Ottawa want Gomez? They could just try to get Elias. They won't sign Redden & Chara as they will both probably take off and are tired of the choking they do.

Elias could very well end up signing there for a decent contract and Havlat re-signing long-term. Devils could get screwed with losing Elias, thats a major loss to the team, when he's in the devils lineup...i don't have to tell you guys.



BTW, its time you guys traded for Miroslav Satan.

I believe the Devils should just stay the course. If Elias leaves, it will allow the Devils to try and sign a center like Arnott and a defensemen like Kubina. Trading are young prospects like Bergfors or Tallackson or Parise just won't happen. If Elias get's the max, it just might be better for the Devils organization that it's not them paying it.

I believe the Devils should just stay the course. If Elias leaves, it will allow the Devils to try and sign a center like Arnott and a defensemen like Kubina. Trading are young prospects like Bergfors or Tallackson or Parise just won't happen. If Elias get's the max, it just might be better for the Devils organization that it's not them paying it.

If we sign Kubina.....Scott Stevens gets a free shot at him

What do you guys suggest in return for Havlat? No way Gomez is comming the other way when ottawa will be trying to sign Redden and Chara.
Realistically if they wanted to play together the simplest solution would be for Elias to sign with ottawa. The only problem with that is I don't see Ottawa in the hunt for another finesse player

Add - Sorry I was mixing Gomez with Rafalski... Not to sure about that trade but it's for sure not far off

What do you guys suggest in return for Havlat? No way Gomez is comming the other way when ottawa will be trying to sign Redden and Chara.
Realistically if they wanted to play together the simplest solution would be for Elias to sign with ottawa. The only problem with that is I don't see Ottawa in the hunt for another finesse player

Add - Sorry I was mixing Gomez with Rafalski... Not to sure about that trade but it's for sure not far off

Um, you just said no way Ottawa takes Gomez b/c they're trying to sign Chara/Redden, then you say the simplest way would be for the Sens to sign Elias? Elias will make much more than Gomez.

Um, you just said no way Ottawa takes Gomez b/c they're trying to sign Chara/Redden, then you say the simplest way would be for the Sens to sign Elias? Elias will make much more than Gomez.

If I had to take a guess right now, one of Chara/Redden leaves. That frees up around 4 mill. Rumour has it that Hasek is signing with us at 750k next year with bonuses, so that gives us the ability to handle another 4-5 mill contract;Elias isn't really a problem. With the cap going up that allows us to give our other players adequate raises and still sign a big name.

Do I think this will happen? Probably not. Havlat's agent is quite frankly an idiot from what I've seen of him. He could care less about whether or not the player wants to be there...as long as they get the highest amount possible.

If I had to take a guess right now, one of Chara/Redden leaves. That frees up around 4 mill. Rumour has it that Hasek is signing with us at 750k next year with bonuses, so that gives us the ability to handle another 4-5 mill contract;Elias isn't really a problem. With the cap going up that allows us to give our other players adequate raises and still sign a big name.

Do I think this will happen? Probably not. Havlat's agent is quite frankly an idiot from what I've seen of him. He could care less about whether or not the player wants to be there...as long as they get the highest amount possible.

Elias' contract will be around $6-8 Million if he hits the open market, not $4-$5. My guess is Redden or Chara's contract will be similar, probably a little less, but around $6 Million none the less.

I see no way you can lock up Redden, give raises to guys like Havlat, and sign Elias for close to a max contract. Elias won't take a tremendous paycut just to play with a friend, either.

Um, you just said no way Ottawa takes Gomez b/c they're trying to sign Chara/Redden, then you say the simplest way would be for the Sens to sign Elias? Elias will make much more than Gomez.

Like I said in my add comment I was confusing two players (Rafalski and Gomez).

I still see it more likely happening (though I don't think it will, for either of us) with Elias coming to Ottawa, over Havlat going to NJ.

Havlat is still under contract, we can make do with only one of Chara/Redden and still have plenty of room for Elias. It just seems a lot more logical coming this way. This being based on the fact that he wants to play with Havlat - it's a lot easier to swing this way than yours.

To be honest though, I don't think either option will occur.

If I had to take a guess right now, one of Chara/Redden leaves. That frees up around 4 mill. Rumour has it that Hasek is signing with us at 750k next year with bonuses, so that gives us the ability to handle another 4-5 mill contract;Elias isn't really a problem. With the cap going up that allows us to give our other players adequate raises and still sign a big name.Hasek's bonus money counts towards the cap, whether he plays enough games to earn it or not. The cap room will likely be freed after Hasek is injured and out for the rest of the season, but heading into the season, all of the possible bonus money counts against the cap.

If we sign Kubina.....Scott Stevens gets a free shot at him

:biglaugh: :clap:

I believe the Devils should just stay the course. If Elias leaves, it will allow the Devils to try and sign a center like Arnott and a defensemen like Kubina. Trading are young prospects like Bergfors or Tallackson or Parise just won't happen. If Elias get's the max, it just might be better for the Devils organization that it's not them paying it.

I don't see how not having Elias can every be better for the Devils organization. You thought last year was a roller-coaster ride. I remember having a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach at games in the early part of the season. It'll get much worse, I assure you.

We need to have his top-flight offensive talent. A superstar in the league. We need that to survive. I think we saw in the playoffs that our top line as currently situated can be stopped (although what the Devils call the No. 1 line and what I do is a little different.) We might as well have the superstar who has played with us, won with us, believes in the system and gets along with everyone (don't overlook that, it's very very important in our system).

The question is going to be does he want to come back. We'll pay him to do so. An Arnott isn't going to get that job done. And we gotta stop thinking about defense for two seconds. We can't replace our top offensive threat for years with a defenseman.

BTW, I do agree about not dealing the prospects. But our group isn't close to being seasoned, and it's because except for Parise's top-flight gig, they didn't get the chance this year. Even when we had holes like second-line center that could have been filled.

I don't see how not having Elias can every be better for the Devils organization. You thought last year was a roller-coaster ride. I remember having a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach at games in the early part of the season. It'll get much worse, I assure you.

We need to have his top-flight offensive talent. A superstar in the league. We need that to survive. I think we saw in the playoffs that our top line as currently situated can be stopped (although what the Devils call the No. 1 line and what I do is a little different.) We might as well have the superstar who has played with us, won with us, believes in the system and gets along with everyone (don't overlook that, it's very very important in our system).

The question is going to be does he want to come back. We'll pay him to do so. An Arnott isn't going to get that job done. And we gotta stop thinking about defense for two seconds. We can't replace our top offensive threat for years with a defenseman.

BTW, I do agree about not dealing the prospects. But our group isn't close to being seasoned, and it's because except for Parise's top-flight gig, they didn't get the chance this year. Even when we had holes like second-line center that could have been filled.

It's not Elias per say, it's a long term contract at the max. If he resigns with the Devs for say 6.5 mil per and allows them to get Gomez and Gionta on board long term it would be great. However, if he get's greedy and Lou pay's him, his contract can come back to hurt more then he helps. Just my opinion.

I think he's our captain in more ways than one. How many times did he score game-tying goals down the stretch? He's a go-to guy.

I'd rather pay and keep him. He's earned it in a lot of different ways. He's essential to team chemistry. I'd like to play some of the new kids coming up this year ... that's the only way teams will get better in the future anyway. We can pay Elias and bring the kids along at the same time.

Then when it's time for Gomer's multiyear contract after this year the Mogilny/Malakhov money being flushed down the executive commode will be back.

Belushi is Albanian

Pisani is Maltese



I'm well aware of the Italian migration, it just so happens that Pisani isn't Italian that's all. Also "Italian" surnames are common Spanish and Portoguese as well.Wrong! I suspected such after I read this tangent thread. I viewed the Ellis Island arrival logs and noted many immigrants with the surname Pisani coming to the United States around the beginning of the 20th Century who listed Italy as their residence.

The name Pisani is derived from the city of Pisa in Tuscan region of Italy.

The Pisanis of Malta migrated there from Italy, so the name "Pisani" certainly is of Italian origin. However, the family of the Oilers winger could have lived in Malta for three hundred years before migrating to Canada. I couldn't find any information on his specific heritige... until today.

Maria Pisani arrived in Edmonton with her parents when she was 7. Cosimo arrived on his own when he was 19. They came from the same city in southern Italy, Serra San Bruno, near the toe of Italy's boot, but did not meet until their new lives in Canada were under way. Now, Maria and Cosimo are being joined by a growing number of fans at Rexall Place in Edmonton who have begun waving Italian flags.source: "Local boy makes good in Edmonton (http://www.nhl.com/cupcrazy/2006/serieso/pisani060706.html)" from nhl.com.