Trade Thought

Just a thought, how many people would trade Gomez and our first round pick to the Blues for their first round pick, if the Blues would make that trade. I mean if everyone is almost convinced that Gomez will walk after next year, we can get Johnson and solidify our D for years to come. Thoughts?

The Blues wouldn't make the trade. They're headed into the first year of a rebuilding process, and you don't rebuild by trading #1 overall picks for players who are twelve months away from unrestricted free agency.

Plus, it's not as if there's a once-in-a-lifetime player that NJ could draft at #1 like there was in 2004 (Ovechkin) and 2005 (Crosby). As much as I would like to see Phil Kessel or Erik Johnson in Devils red, it's not worth Scott Gomez.

Let me rephrase, If the Blues can sign him long term prior to the trade would they make that trade?

Plus, it's not as if there's a once-in-a-lifetime player that NJ could draft at #1 like there was in 2004 (Ovechkin) and 2005 (Crosby). As much as I would like to see Phil Kessel or Erik Johnson in Devils red, it's not worth Scott Gomez.


But for the sake of arguement that Gomez will walk after next year, get something for him now before we get nothing.

But for the sake of arguement that Gomez will walk after next year, get something for him now before we get nothing.
I really think it depends on if we can sign Elias...if we don't sign him we could be in big trouble next year, we may not make the playoffs. If by the trade deadline we don't have a good shot at the playoffs Gomez is as good as gone.

Let me rephrase, If the Blues can sign him long term prior to the trade would they make that trade?

It's not the type of a trade that a team like St. Louis makes in their current position. Getting Gomez would make them a better team for the next few years, but they don't have much of a supporting cast. It'd be something similar to what the Islanders did when they acquired Yashin. They got better immediately, got into the playoffs and didn't do much. Now, having a guy like Jason Spezza looks like it may have been the better way to go.

Right now, the Blues are more likely to blow it all up and rebuild slowly.

But for the sake of arguement that Gomez will walk after next year, get something for him now before we get nothing.

Can't see why we can't just let Gomez play out the season? We'll always have the money to sign another guy if Gomez were to leave. It'd be nice to hit a home run trade where we got an equally productive guy plus prospects/picks whatever, but I don't think it's completely neccessary.

Everything's predicated on Elias at the moment, since he's the one that can leave July 1st.

I'd love to see that as like a sign and trade but it most likely won't happen.

I wouldn't mind us doing that, if we were unable to get Gomez signed long-term, but I don't see any way St. Louis does that. As others have stated, Gomez isn't really what they need right now.

Try this one, Lepold and Calgary's first for Gomez if he resigns with the Flames. That could happen if Lou can't resign Gomer long term.

Try this one, Lepold and Calgary's first for Gomez if he resigns with the Flames. That could happen if Lou can't resign Gomer long term.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Although, I would want to string a package deal where we can get Langkow in the deal as well. We can't just leave #1/#2 center holes both open.

Maybe:

Gomez+Matvichuk+3rd
for
Langkow+Leopold

This is exactly what I was thinking. Although, I would want to string a package deal where we can get Langkow in the deal as well. We can't just leave #1/#2 center holes both open.

Maybe:

Gomez+Matvichuk+3rd
for
Langkow+Leopold

Pretty good.

is langkow really a 2nd line center though? idk about that

This is exactly what I was thinking. Although, I would want to string a package deal where we can get Langkow in the deal as well. We can't just leave #1/#2 center holes both open.

Maybe:

Gomez+Matvichuk+3rd
for
Langkow+Leopold


What about making it

Gomez+Matvichuck+Ahonen
for
Amonte+Leopold

STOP THE MADNESS!!!!! Gomez has turned into a true #1 center with great speed, goal scoring ability and on eof the best passers in the league...We are NOT trading him..and definitely not for Jordan Leopold...Did you guys watch Leopold play this year??

STOP THE MADNESS!!!!! Gomez has turned into a true #1 center with great speed, goal scoring ability and on eof the best passers in the league...We are NOT trading him..and definitely not for Jordan Leopold...Did you guys watch Leopold play this year??


no one is doubting his ability. theyre just saying that if he is going to walk, maybe its better wee try and get something in return for him, thats all...

Gomez is definately one hell of a trading chip if we cannot resign him. Problem is, we are already short one good center. We would need to solve the 1st/2nd line center problem.

Sign: Arnott
Trade: Gomez for Langkow and Leopold

Might be a better set of solutions. There are cap considerations though.

Not that I would actually ever do this, but imagine if Yashin weren't a headcase and on talent alone. He's purportedly being offered along with the Isles' 7th overall pick to anyone willing to take on his contract. Imagine a top two lines that looked like this:

Parise Gomez Gionta
Elias Yashin Brylin

Not that I would actually ever do this, but imagine if Yashin weren't a headcase and on talent alone. He's purportedly being offered along with the Isles' 7th overall pick to anyone willing to take on his contract. Imagine a top two lines that looked like this:

Parise Gomez Gionta
Elias Yashin Brylin



first of all, no thank you to yashin.

second of all, with what money would we pay all those guys?

Not that I would actually ever do this, but imagine if Yashin weren't a headcase and on talent alone. He's purportedly being offered along with the Isles' 7th overall pick to anyone willing to take on his contract. Imagine a top two lines that looked like this:

Parise Gomez Gionta
Elias Yashin BrylinWhen Yashin is on his game his very good, but he's not great like a Jagr. The contract would also mean Elias, Gionta or Gomez would have to be let go.

Not that I would actually ever do this, but imagine if Yashin weren't a headcase and on talent alone. He's purportedly being offered along with the Isles' 7th overall pick to anyone willing to take on his contract. Imagine a top two lines that looked like this:

Parise Gomez Gionta
Elias Yashin Brylin
Anyone who would take on that contract is himself a headcase.
}:-(>
Besides, can this be done under the new CBA?

I'd almost be willing just for the #7 pick. Almost, but not.

Anyone who would take on that contract is himself a headcase.
}:-(>
Besides, can this be done under the new CBA?Isn't that basically what Philadelphia and Los Angeles did with the Roenick trade? The Flyers sent Roenick and a 3rd Round Pick to LA for "future considerations."

I'd almost be willing just for the #7 pick. Almost, but not.A 7th Round Pick is not likely to play in the NHL.

I just checked the 1995 NHL Entry draft, and only six of the 26 players selected ever played in the NHL. They are P.J. Axelson, Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre, Stephane Robidas, Byron Richie, Dan Smith and Peter Worrell.

I think he meant #7 pick overall.

I think he meant #7 pick overall.

He definitely did mean the #7 overall. I find it very humorous that this trade scenario is being mentioned in legitimate publications because it is something that Islander fans (particularly Trottier) came up with over on their board. For a little perspective, here is a list of players taken #7 overall in the last 10 years:

1995 - Shane Doan
1996 - Erik Rasmussen
1997 - Paul Mara
1998 - Manny Malhotra
1999 - Kris Beech
2000 - Lars Jonsson
2001 - Mike Komisarek
2002 - Joffrey Lupul
2003 - Ryan Suter
2004 - Rostislav Olesz
2005 - Jack Skille

That list is underwhelming at best, and if the trend were to continue you can easily see why the Islanders would be willing to part with that pick to get out of that albatross of a contract. I would be extremely surprised to see anyone help the Islanders out, and I think its next to impossible that said help might come from a division rival.

That list is underwhelming at best, and if the trend were to continue you can easily see why the Islanders would be willing to part with that pick to get out of that albatross of a contract. I would be extremely surprised to see anyone help the Islanders out, and I think its next to impossible that said help might come from a division rival.

You forget to mention from a team that has contract issues of it's own(Resigning Elias and Gionta, the Malahkhov and Mogilny situation). That being said as an Islanders fan, only teams i can see eating up Yashin's contract are ones who need to increase payroll and see getting the #7 pick as a good payoff for an good but overpaid player(St Louis and Washington are only 2 that come to mind).

I understand why NewarkDevil was interested in the #7 pick now that I see NewarkDevil was talking about 7th overall. I guess I had the Roenick and a 3rd Rounder on my mind, so I jumped to the conclussion that NewarkDevil meant 7th Round Pick.

I still wouldn't pick up his huge contract for a the Islanders 1st Round Pick, 7th overall.

He definitely did mean the #7 overall. I find it very humorous that this trade scenario is being mentioned in legitimate publications because it is something that Islander fans (particularly Trottier) came up with over on their board. For a little perspective, here is a list of players taken #7 overall in the last 10 years:

1995 - Shane Doan
1996 - Erik Rasmussen
1997 - Paul Mara
1998 - Manny Malhotra
1999 - Kris Beech
2000 - Lars Jonsson
2001 - Mike Komisarek
2002 - Joffrey Lupul
2003 - Ryan Suter
2004 - Rostislav Olesz
2005 - Jack Skille

That list is underwhelming at best, and if the trend were to continue you can easily see why the Islanders would be willing to part with that pick to get out of that albatross of a contract. I would be extremely surprised to see anyone help the Islanders out, and I think its next to impossible that said help might come from a division rival.

That list is a lot more impressive than you are suggesting. Mara and Doan are both excellent players. Rasmusen and Beech were busts, true. Lars J. I'm going to overlook because he was not supposed to be drafted 7th overall - was sort of reach by the Boston B's.

Komisarek turned into a decent player, and Lupul scored close to 30 goals in his first year. Ryan Suter and Olesz are both very strong prospects.

I don't know much about Skille. But, I think you get the point.

As for this trade rumor: It was completely manufactured by Trottier. He posted it on several boards and then Boston.com started running it. Spectors and other sites go it from boston.com. So, in fact, this "rumor" was created here at hfboards.com.

what do you mean rasmussen was a bust?! LIES, ALL LIES I TELL YOU!













haha

what do you mean rasmussen was a bust?! LIES, ALL LIES I TELL YOU!













haha


:biglaugh:

That list is a lot more impressive than you are suggesting. Mara and Doan are both excellent players. Rasmusen and Beech were busts, true. Lars J. I'm going to overlook because he was not supposed to be drafted 7th overall - was sort of reach by the Boston B's.

Komisarek turned into a decent player, and Lupul scored close to 30 goals in his first year. Ryan Suter and Olesz are both very strong prospects.

I don't know much about Skille. But, I think you get the point.

As for this trade rumor: It was completely manufactured by Trottier. He posted it on several boards and then Boston.com started running it. Spectors and other sites go it from boston.com. So, in fact, this "rumor" was created here at hfboards.com.Rasmussen was not a bust. That was a terrible draft year. Here are the six that went before him. I don't see any possible future Hall of Famers in the bunch:

PICK TEAM PLAYER
1 OTT Chris Phillips
2 SJS Andrei Zyuzin
3 NYI J.P. Dumont
4 WAS Alexandre Volchkov
5 DAL Richard Jackman
6 EDM Boyd Devereaux

Rasmussen was not a bust. That was a terrible draft year. Here are the six that went before him. I don't see any possible future Hall of Famers in the bunch:

PICK TEAM PLAYER
1 OTT Chris Phillips
2 SJS Andrei Zyuzin
3 NYI J.P. Dumont
4 WAS Alexandre Volchkov
5 DAL Richard Jackman
6 EDM Boyd Devereaux
Wow, that was a horrific draft year :eek:

I could maybe see a team like Washington agreeing to that trade (if it were real, and not a rumor). They've got the cap space, it would give them a legit top line center, and who wouldn't get excited about playing with Ovechkin?

I think he meant #7 pick overall.
Oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

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Yeah - looking at DP's list makes me think that Ras ain't so bad after all.

Wow, that was a horrific draft year :eek:

I could maybe see a team like Washington agreeing to that trade (if it were real, and not a rumor). They've got the cap space, it would give them a legit top line center, and who wouldn't get excited about playing with Ovechkin?

St Louis or Washington are the only 2 teams a deal like this might make a lil sense.

Regarding the original subject of this thread, the only way I want to hear about Lou dealing with St Louis is if the words "Barret Jackman to New Jersey" are involved.

I keep hoping one day he comes here, he could be the second coming of Stevens, and the irony of him coming from St Louis would be delicious.

Can't see why we can't just let Gomez play out the season? We'll always have the money to sign another guy if Gomez were to leave. It'd be nice to hit a home run trade where we got an equally productive guy plus prospects/picks whatever, but I don't think it's completely neccessary.

Everything's predicated on Elias at the moment, since he's the one that can leave July 1st.

You make an excellent point and and for all the screaming I have done regarding getting something instead of nothing, it's been Lou's MO in letting guys play out their contract.

I think Gomez is an incredibly talented player. At only 26 years old he will be coming into the best years of career and I believe he is only going to get better.

That being said, here is the Deal: If he (or his dad as the case maybe) is unwilling to negotiate more than a one year deal, there is a problem.

If he is only willing to take a 1 year deal the Devils need to pay him his current salary and move him even before the season starts. It sucks because he is on the verge of being a real star.

But you have to weigh your options; Is it worth keeping him for 1 more and loosing him or opening your options by freeing 2+M and bringing in someone via free agency and getting something in return for Gomez.

You free 2.2M and target Arnott for 4.5 Million and possibly get a good Defensemen or a good pick(or maybe both) for Gomez you are in a better situation than letting him play for a year then having him walk. And you may have even have a happier Elias.

It wouldn't be a good situation to be going into a new Arena with your possibly Star player Leaving via free Agency....It would be just a big downer. There are a lot of factors at play here.

I think Gomez is an incredibly talented player. At only 26 years old he will be coming into the best years of career and I believe he is only going to get better.

That being said, here is the Deal: If he (or his dad as the case maybe) is unwilling to negotiate more than a one year deal, there is a problem.

If he is only willing to take a 1 year deal the Devils need to pay him his current salary and move him even before the season starts. It sucks because he is on the verge of being a real star.

I'm with you Jim. I love the way Gomez played this season and hope he resigns long term. However, it will be interesting to see how Lou play's this out. Does he say enough is enough and moves

But you have to weigh your options; Is it worth keeping him for 1 more and loosing him or opening your options by freeing 2+M and bringing in someone via free agency and getting something in return for Gomez.

You free 2.2M and target Arnott for 4.5 Million and possibly get a good Defensemen or a good pick(or maybe both) for Gomez you are in a better situation than letting him play for a year then having him walk. And you may have even have a happier Elias.

It wouldn't be a good situation to be going into a new Arena with your possibly Star player Leaving via free Agency....It would be just a big downer. There are a lot of factors at play here.

I think Gomez is an incredibly talented player. At only 26 years old he will be coming into the best years of career and I believe he is only going to get better.

That being said, here is the Deal: If he (or his dad as the case maybe) is unwilling to negotiate more than a one year deal, there is a problem.

If he is only willing to take a 1 year deal the Devils need to pay him his current salary and move him even before the season starts. It sucks because he is on the verge of being a real star.


But you have to weigh your options; Is it worth keeping him for 1 more and loosing him or opening your options by freeing 2+M and bringing in someone via free agency and getting something in return for Gomez.

You free 2.2M and target Arnott for 4.5 Million and possibly get a good Defensemen or a good pick(or maybe both) for Gomez you are in a better situation than letting him play for a year then having him walk. And you may have even have a happier Elias.

It wouldn't be a good situation to be going into a new Arena with your possibly Star player Leaving via free Agency....It would be just a big downer. There are a lot of factors at play here.

I'm with you Jim. I love the way Gomez has matured and elevated his game this season and I hope he resigns long term. However, it will be interesting to see how this play's out. Will Lou say enough is enough and move Gomez for a return or does he continue like he has in the past with other UFA's.

I know most people have been predicting the end of the Devils' "dynasty" for quite some time now, but do any of you guys think that the interest being shown in the FA market by guys like Elias and Gomez is a sign that these guys might be thinking that NJ is a team on the down slope? Do you think the way that Lou handled the Mogilny/Malakhov situations last year might be affecting these otherwise loyal soldiers?

Or is it just the fact that these guys are reaching FA age and are looking to test the waters?

Regarding the original subject of this thread, the only way I want to hear about Lou dealing with St Louis is if the words "Barret Jackman to New Jersey" are involved.

I keep hoping one day he comes here, he could be the second coming of Stevens, and the irony of him coming from St Louis would be delicious.

Indeed I think Jackman is an excellent defenseman and would love to get him in a Devils jersey somehow someway.

I know most people have been predicting the end of the Devils' "dynasty" for quite some time now, but do any of you guys think that the interest being shown in the FA market by guys like Elias and Gomez is a sign that these guys might be thinking that NJ is a team on the down slope? Do you think the way that Lou handled the Mogilny/Malakhov situations last year might be affecting these otherwise loyal soldiers?

Or is it just the fact that these guys are reaching FA age and are looking to test the waters?
I think it's just that they're reaching FA age and want to see what they're worth. I think that as long as Lou offers Elias around the same amount of money as other teams out there he'll probably stay in Jersey. Gomez seems to be more interested in really shopping around, right now I'd say he's the biggest question mark. And I'd be shocked if Gionta doesn't sign an extension.

And don't forget, Brodeur signed his contract extension (for a large discount) about halfway through the season, so he clearly wasn't turned off by the M&M situation.

I know most people have been predicting the end of the Devils' "dynasty" for quite some time now, but do any of you guys think that the interest being shown in the FA market by guys like Elias and Gomez is a sign that these guys might be thinking that NJ is a team on the down slope? Do you think the way that Lou handled the Mogilny/Malakhov situations last year might be affecting these otherwise loyal soldiers?

Or is it just the fact that these guys are reaching FA age and are looking to test the waters?

Not at all...We've lost UFA's when we were winning Cups..It's just a great opportunity for these guys to make a big splash..They will test the waters and "hopefully" return.

I know most people have been predicting the end of the Devils' "dynasty" for quite some time now, but do any of you guys think that the interest being shown in the FA market by guys like Elias and Gomez is a sign that these guys might be thinking that NJ is a team on the down slope? Do you think the way that Lou handled the Mogilny/Malakhov situations last year might be affecting these otherwise loyal soldiers?

Or is it just the fact that these guys are reaching FA age and are looking to test the waters?


I wont pretend to know the players motivations, but I would think if winning is an issue No one would ever leave NJ.

The doom gloom looked to be coming true this season but 46 wins and 100 points killed that idea.

Considering its been more than a decade since the Devils have won fewer than 40 games, I can't see how that can be a consideration.