video of Janssen destroying Hollweg

found this while browsing on youtube, priceless


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOmoFm0qGqg

At least Hollweg has the balls to fight after he makes the big hits, though.

No one ever said the kid was a good fighter at all and I don't think you'll ever see someone claim that.

I'll take Hollweg's hitting over Janssen's hitting, skating, and overall speed any day of the week, though. I could care less about the fighting and I'd give Janssen an absolutely HUGE edge in that category. Cam might be the best middleweight in the NHL.

Also, 2nd fight was MUCH more even and I'd give Hollweg the VERY slight edge for the takedown on Janssen. I just re-watched the 2nd fight and didn't notice beforehand that Janssen actually grabbed Hollweg's hair twice during the fight.

awesome! hadnt see that, thanks mate

Also, 2nd fight was MUCH more even and I'd give Hollweg the VERY slight edge for the takedown on Janssen. I just re-watched the 2nd fight and didn't notice beforehand that Janssen actually grabbed Hollweg's hair twice during the fight.

Takedowns don't win you fights. And that's their 3rd fight. The first one was also a beatdown of Hollweg.

Takedowns don't win you fights. And that's their 3rd fight. The first one was also a beatdown of Hollweg.

i love how when people fall down the crowd assumes the other guy won.

i love how when people fall down the crowd assumes the other guy won.

To be fair, in a really close fight, a takedown is usually the deciding factor. If two guys throw a ton of bombs and both end up standing, it has to be a draw. If they throw bombs and one guys goes down, he loses.

At least Hollweg has the balls to fight after he makes the big hits, though.

No one ever said the kid was a good fighter at all and I don't think you'll ever see someone claim that.

I'll take Hollweg's hitting over Janssen's hitting, skating, and overall speed any day of the week, though. I could care less about the fighting and I'd give Janssen an absolutely HUGE edge in that category. Cam might be the best middleweight in the NHL.
You ridiculously underrate Janssen's hitting ability. He throws HUGE checks everytime he's on the ice AND has the ability to lay a beatdown on anyone that challenges him.

Neither Hollweg or Janssen will score very much (maybe Janssen not at all, :D ), but I would still say Janssen is the more effective hockey player.

Cam laid a hit on someone right in front of my section in game 3...you could see the fire in his eyes and a big smile on his face when he made the hit. He seems like someone who really enjoys his job.
His hits are definitely worth the price of a front row ticket.
}:-)>

To be fair, in a really close fight, a takedown is usually the deciding factor. If two guys throw a ton of bombs and both end up standing, it has to be a draw. If they throw bombs and one guys goes down, he loses.

if you say so. i think the punches decide the fight, but hey thats me. if two guys are even and one falls, it was an even fight. if one guys is pounding the other and falls, he still won. if one guy is getting a pounding and falls, he lost.

ther crowd reacts when someone falls, even when that guy was the aggressor.

You ridiculously underrate Janssen's hitting ability. He throws HUGE checks everytime he's on the ice AND has the ability to lay a beatdown on anyone that challenges him.

Neither Hollweg or Janssen will score very much (maybe Janssen not at all, :D ), but I would still say Janssen is the more effective hockey player.

i agree. i'd take janssen over holliweg. janssen and his line have the ability to change the game.

Also, 2nd fight was MUCH more even and I'd give Hollweg the VERY slight edge for the takedown on Janssen. I just re-watched the 2nd fight and didn't notice beforehand that Janssen actually grabbed Hollweg's hair twice during the fight.

I admit Hollweg is a better overall player, but he is not a better hitter than Cam. I would give Janssen a slight advantage in that department.

I admit Hollweg is a better overall player, but he is not a better hitter than Cam. I would give Janssen a slight advantage in that department.

How so? Hollweg was lead the league in hits per minutes on ice by a VERY good margin. And almost all of those were well placed hits that lead to turnovers or stupid plays by the opposition.

Hollweg might not be the more devestating hitter, but he's the better hitter by far.

To be fair, in a really close fight, a takedown is usually the deciding factor. If two guys throw a ton of bombs and both end up standing, it has to be a draw. If they throw bombs and one guys goes down, he loses.

Exactly. That's how I've always scored it in a fight like the one I mentioned.

My personal opinion:

Cam is useless.......5 minutes a game? Can't shoot - Can't keep the puck down low in cycle.

That is useless to me

My personal opinion:

Cam is useless.......5 minutes a game? Can't shoot - Can't keep the puck down low in cycle.

That is useless to me

This is one of the few other reasons I'd take Hollweg over Janssen. He's a much better puckhandler. While he can't shoot, he can pass decently and can also hold onto it.

Exactly. That's how I've always scored it in a fight like the one I mentioned.

I'd agree with you with Hollweg's hitting ability. I think he's a slightly better hitter than Janssen right now.

But I can't agree with you guys about the takedown. Much of the time, the takedown is used in fact buy a LOSING guy, as a last resort, because he's tired, getting hit too much, or is hurt. It's simply a ploy to end a fight. Hell, otherwise Mick Vukota won every fight he's been in.

How so? Hollweg was lead the league in hits per minutes on ice by a VERY good margin. And almost all of those were well placed hits that lead to turnovers or stupid plays by the opposition.

Hollweg might not be the more devestating hitter, but he's the better hitter by far.

Well, aren't you sort of contradicting yourself? You say Janssen might be a more powerful hitter, but Hollweg is still by far the better hitter? I don't understand what you're saying.

Hollweg might not be the more devestating hitter, but he's the better hitter by far.
This doesn't make any sense to me. How can Janssen be the more devastating hitter, but Hollweg is "the better hitter bar far"?

To me, the bottom line is that they are both very similar players and play their role well, but personally I would take Janssen and his hitting/fighting over Hollweg, despite the fact that everytime Janssen touches the puck my eyes start to burn.

Hollweg's hits are better placed and effect the game much more than Cam's do.

Hollweg is one part of one of the best defensive 4th lines around and he's also become an integral part of our PK.

Janssen isn't any sort of solid player defensively. He's a 4th line plugger who is only put out there to stir things up.

Hollweg is used against the other teams offensive lines throughout the game and is a great defensive presence. His hits, while not putting as much hurt on a player, are clearly superior to Janssen. Hollweg doesn't always look to kill, but he can. He puts on much, much smarter hits than Cam does.

Well, aren't you sort of contradicting yourself? You say Janssen might be a more powerful hitter, but Hollweg is still by far the better hitter? I don't understand what you're saying.

You don't have to hit the hardest to be the best hitter. What kind of logic is that?

Hollweg's hits are better placed and effect the game much more than Cam's do.

Hollweg is one part of one of the best defensive 4th lines around and he's also become an integral part of our PK.

Janssen isn't any sort of solid player defensively. He's a 4th line plugger who is only put out there to stir things up.

Hollweg is used against the other teams offensive lines throughout the game and is a great defensive presence. His hits, while not putting as much hurt on a player, are clearly superior to Janssen. Hollweg doesn't always look to kill, but he can. He puts on much, much smarter hits than Cam does.

I agree with some of that stuff there about Hollweg being a good 4th liner and such, but Cam picks his spots well, from the two years I have seen him play.

I agree with some of that stuff there about Hollweg being a good 4th liner and such, but Cam picks his spots well, from the two years I have seen him play.

Yes, but there's nothing about the kid that puts him above Hollweg on every team.

I like Janssen a lot and I'd definately take him on my 4th line, but they are definately different players. Hollweg is one of the most effective hitting forwards in the league and lead the league by a fair margin for forwards in hits per amount of ice time per game (again, someone on the NYR board did the math a while back). His hits are generally well placed and almost always cause problems for the defending player, which is his job. He's a pest, but a very skilled pest at what he does. He's never going to score 20 goals, but he'll be one of the most effective 3rd/4th liners in the game for years.

If he keeps on developing as he has, I can definately see him being a great defensive forward in the likes of a Jay Pandolpho.

I'd like to see Cam get some time on the checking line with Madden and Pandolfo. Give him the minutes Turner Stevenson once had and see what he can do out there. I feel he's a pretty underrated player for the Devils. Never lacking in the intensity department. Always up for a challenge. Always prepared to standup for his teammates. Fearless.