[Football] EPL Draft

Draft order

1st round
1- Evilo : Henry (Arsenal)
2- PK : Gerrard (Liverpool)
3- O=S/Bakos : Lampard (Chelsea)
4- Belizarius : Rooney (Manchester United)
5- Les Habs : Terry (Chelsea)
6- Peter Bondra : Cech (Chelsea)

2nd round
7- Peter Bondra : Van Nistelrooy (Manchester United)
8- Les Habs : Drogba (Chelsea)
9- Belizarius : Hyypia (Liverpool)
10- O=S/Bakos : Robben (Chelsea)
11- PK : Cole (Chelsea)
12- Evilo : Gallas (Chelsea)

3rd round
13- Evilo : Van Der Sar (Manchester United)
14- PK : Carragher (Liverpool)
15- O=S/Bakos : Crespo (Chelsea)
16- Belizarius : Makelele (Chelsea)
17- Les Habs : Alonso (Liverpool)
18- Peter Bondra : Ferdinand (Manchester United)

4th round
19- Peter Bondra : G. Neville (Manchester United)
20- Les Habs : Fabregas (Arsenal)
21- Belizarius : Essien (Chelsea)
22- O=S/Bakos : Cole (Arsenal)
23- PK : Keane (Tottenham)
24- Evilo : Heinze (Manchester United)

5th round
25- Evilo : Bent (Charlton)
26- PK : King (Tottenham)
27- O=S/Bakos : Carvalho (Chelsea)
28- Belizarius : Giannakopoulos (Bolton)
29- Les Habs : Toure (Arsenal)
30- Peter Bondra : Carrick (Tottenham)

6th round
31- Peter Bondra : Scholes (Manchester United)
32- Les Habs : Ronaldo (Manchester United)
33- Belizarius : Senderos (Arsenal)
34- O=S/Bakos : Hleb (Arsenal)
35- PK : Lannon (Tottenham)
36- Evilo : Reyes (Arsenal)

7th round
37- Evilo : Duff (Chelsea)
38- PK : Ferreira (Chelsea)
39- O=S/Bakos : Van Persie (Arsenal)
40- Belizarius : Chimbonda (Wigan)
41- Les Habs : Owen (Newcastle)
42- Peter Bondra : Del Horno (Chelsea)

8th round
43- Peter Bondra : Downling (Middlesborough)
44- Les Habs : Wright-Phillips (Chelsea)
45- Belizarius : Camara (Wigan)
46- O=S/Bakos : Mellberg (Aston Villa)
47- PK : Bridge (Fulham)
48- Evilo : Arteta (Everton)

9th round
49- Evilo : Eboue (Arsenal)
50- PK : Gilberto Silva (Arsenal)
51- O=S/Bakos : Davids (Tottenham)
52- Belizarius : Given (Newcastle)
53- Les Habs : Robinson (Tottenham)
54- Peter Bondra : Giggs (Manchester United)

10th round
55- Peter Bondra : Harewood (West Ham)
56- Les Habs : Finnan (Liverpool)
57- Belizarius : Queudrue (Middlesborough)
58- O=S/Bakos : Lehmann (Arsenal)
59- PK : Mido (Tottenham)
60- Evilo : Dawson (Tottenham)

11th round
61- Evilo : Jenas (Tottenham)
62- PK : Reina (Liverpool)
63- O=S/Bakos : Campbell (Arsenal)
64- Belizarius : Bullard (Wigan)
65- Les Habs : Riise (Liverpool)
66- Peter Bondra :

JUDGES : GoM, Juni, GB, Belgian Fan, Rage and Flyhigh. I remind everyone that judges CAN give advices to anyone.

I'll kick it off...
I take Henry (Arsenal).

lol, first pick done already... Evilo's on the rampage today!! :eek:

PK will wake up with a brand new draft to take into consideration..

Lol, we have to get this thing going, and we lost enough time already.

Objectivelly, probably the best player. Speaking as a homer, horrible pick Evilo! ;)

Even if I'm not an official judge, I'll still put in my input for the next day, even if it won't count for anything....

Horrible, horrible pick, Henry's such an overrated prissy boy, I can't see why ANYBODY would pick him, especially with the likes of Vassell and Heskey out there...c'mon, Evilo, I expected better ;)

Erh, you're a judge GoM... :eek:

Erh, you're a judge GoM... :eek:

Woooaaah I thought someone else was doing it since I'm not here for the next month..

But...

Okay :help:

Well you're still pencilled a judge, if you're not here when the rankings are given, then we have enough judges.

Well you're still pencilled a judge, if you're not here when the rankings are given, then we have enough judges.

Ah, alright...makes sense

Apologies again for all the confusion over the past week :o

I wont make the same mistake I made the last draft around when I took a certain player so high :innocent:. My football knowledge has gone up since then.

I select Steven Gerrard.

Not a nad pick. There's a group of four (maybe five) guys who could be considered the best in the EPL, and two of them are gone.

Only thing holding back Stevie for me is consistency (or lack thereof). He can be an absolute monster, but some games, he's just not there. Then again, it's like that for most players

I'm a firm believe in Stevie over his England midfield colleague. Although it's obviously a personal preference and endlessly debatble.

I think the next three picks (three different positions) will all be more or less on the same level. Then there is a slight a dropoff IMO.

I'm a firm believe in Stevie over his England midfield colleague. Although it's obviously a personal preference and endlessly debatble.

I think the next three picks (three different positions) will all be more or less on the same level. Then there is a slight a dropoff IMO.
And then there's me with my picks :D (which can surprise many but not now).

And then there's me with my picks :D (which can surprise many but not now).

I think you should still be able to shore up at least one important position with the best player on that position.

I think you should still be able to shore up at least one important position with the best player on that position.
I should be. There's only 6 of us in this draft.

First two picks were good, I agree with BF about Gerrard and another England player.

We still get to pick my #1 guy, the very obvious: Frank Lampard

Two more obvious choices to go IMO, then things should get interesting!

heh...no pressure on the 6th pick ;)

We still get to pick my #1 guy, the very obvious: Frank Lampard

I'd be interested to hear your rationale to put Lampard above Henry and Gerrard. It's a good pick and the best one at your place IMO, but I like Henry and Gerrard a bit better.

I'd be interested to hear your rationale to put Lampard above Henry and Gerrard. It's a good pick and the best one at your place IMO, but I like Henry and Gerrard a bit better.

Henry is better, hands down. Most people, not necessarily yours truly, would take Lampard over Gerrard.

I think the next three picks (three different positions) will all be more or less on the same level. Then there is a slight a dropoff IMO.

I know exactly who you're talking about, but at two of those positions in particular there is plenty of room for debate. Especially the one position.

I guess I have to select the 4th player... :)

Striker Wayne Rooney. I hope it's a good choice at this time of the draft... :)

I guess I have to select the 4th player... :)

Striker Wayne Rooney. I hope it's a good choice at this time of the draft... :)

Nice pick, all 4 are pretty much going to plan so far.

Not a nad pick. There's a group of four (maybe five) guys who could be considered the best in the EPL, and two of them are gone.

And now all four are gone. Things get more interesting now.

I'm a firm believe in Stevie over his England midfield colleague. Although it's obviously a personal preference and endlessly debatble.



I don't know--last year Liverpool didn't skip a beat (in the league) when Gerrard was injured. Even if Gerrard is slightly better, I'd take Lampard in a heartbeat because he is far, far more durable. No matter how good a player is, he can only contribute if he's healthy and playing,

And now all four are gone. Things get more interesting now.

Well I can still see the next two picks being pretty clear, and I think they will both come from the same team. After that it will become a bit more difficult to predict though.

I don't know--last year Liverpool didn't skip a beat (in the league) when Gerrard was injured. Even if Gerrard is slightly better, I'd take Lampard in a heartbeat because he is far, far more durable. No matter how good a player is, he can only contribute if he's healthy and playing,

Well your first argument works both ways, we've never really seen Chelsea for more then a few games without Lamps so it's tough to judge if Chelsea would skip a beat or not...

As for your second argument about durability, I think Gerrard is much improved in that area. Remember when he was a year or four younger he was injured all the time (because of his growth spurt at a late age). He's slowly becoming more reliable, but obviously he's not on Lamps' incredible level, that's for sure.


For me the main thing that Gerrard has over Lampard is that he can also do something when on the ball. Lampard's great strenght is in Mourinho's system because he always knows where he has to play the ball (ie the direct ball, preferably to the wingers). When he's not sure what to do and when his options are limited he's not really that good on the ball, at least Gerrard can create things by himself then bacause of his pace and 'dribbling' (dribbling as in powering his way past his marker).

The second thing Gerrard clearly has over Lampard is his versatility, he's great from right back to second striker, with his best positions lying somewhere in between.

Thirdly I think Gerrard has somewhat of a talismatic value that Lampard has a bit less. I think of Gerrard being to Liverpool what Terry is for Chelsea. That isn't so say that Lampard has no leadership obviously, I just don't see it as being on Terry / Gerrard's level.



As for Lampard I think he's better in his movement off the ball (which is arguably unparralelled right now in the game as far as midfielders are concerned) especially when Chelsea has the ball.

And obviously Lampard has a knack for goals and finishing that Gerrard doesn't have.

And as you say durablity is also a huge factor (another factor in which Lamps may be unparralelled in the modern game)



So yeah, the argument can clearly be made for both cases.

I think what Lampard has over Gerrard is in game consistency. Gerrard seems to try to often for a big play with a pass, but quite often those passes end up in goal kicks. I do think he's improved in that department this year though.
On the other side though Lampard is less likely to win a game with one moment of brilliance.
I think to win a season-long campaign I'd go for Lampard, to win one game I'd go for Gerrard.

I think the next two picks are quite obvious tbo.

Well we'll just keep the barrel o' fun going here. I'll take John Terry :(

Well my first 5 are gone...now....who's gonna start the real draft ;)

Pick on hold as a trade may be made.
I will pick in the next 30 minutes I guarantee.

No trades!

No trades!
I wasnt sure, I was approached so I didnt know. :innocent:

So as 6th I pick Chelsea GK Petr Cech who is the best GK in the EPL and one of the best in the World. He gives me strength in the net.

Will pick next in like 10 min.

So far out of 6 picks, 4 were developped in England, and 2 in France... ;)

In 7th I pick the 2nd leading scorer in the EPL despite not playing as much as usual but still one of the deadliest scorers in the World.

I pick Ruud van der Nistelrooy.

As expected pick 7 is the first one that's debatable IMO, still not a bad pick by any means!

As expected pick 7 is the first one that's debatable IMO, still not a bad pick by any means!
I thought he'd cause a debate as he aint having the best season but 1 bad season does not make a bad player.

2-4 years ago he was breaking United records and was just dominant. He is having a bad year but that doesnt mean he cant play.

Just like Teemu in the NHL.

In 7th I pick the 2nd leading scorer in the EPL despite not playing as much as usual but still one of the deadliest scorers in the World.

I pick Ruud van der Nistelrooy.

I think that pick is fine, this can be argued, but I think he's the 3rd best striker in the Premiership.

I think that pick is fine, this can be argued, but I think he's the 3rd best striker in the Premiership.

I think I know who you'd pick second...but....time will tell, whenever he gets picked, let me know if it was him ;)

I think that pick is fine, this can be argued, but I think he's the 3rd best striker in the Premiership.

2nd, at most.

Well I was expecting Terry and another player to go in the next two picks. I'm not suprised Cech was taken, but I thought Ruud would drop further.

2nd, at most.

I'd rate just Henry and Rooney above of him, mostly because he doesn't have their versatility.

I'd rate just Henry and Rooney above of him, mostly because he doesn't have their versatility.

I just find it hilarious when a player like Rooney is seen as the better one when we're talking about strikers. He's a different striker, who's style impresses more but in terms of scoring, the most important factor, Rooney can't hold Ruud's jockstrap.

I'll be the first to say Rooney is the most overrated player in the world.

I just find it hilarious when a player like Rooney is seen as the better one when we're talking about strikers. He's a different striker, who's style impresses more but in terms of scoring, the most important factor, Rooney can't hold Ruud's jockstrap.

I'll be the first to say Rooney is the most overrated player in the world.

Rooney is the type of guy who creates goals for other players as well. Right now, in the EPL, he's scored 16 goals. In addition, his presence creates goals for other players. I admire RVN's finishing ability, but throw Rooney with another striker and that guy will probably end up with at least 15 goals. Look at whoever Manu has played with Rooney, they've all had success.

There are other finishers in this draft, admittedly none as good as RVN.. But playmakers like Rooney are rarer and much more valuable in my opinion.

Rooney is the type of guy who creates goals for other players as well. Right now, in the EPL, he's scored 16 goals. In addition, his presence creates goals for other players. I admire RVN's finishing ability, but throw Rooney with another striker and that guy will probably end up with at least 15 goals. Look at whoever Manu has played with Rooney, they've all had success.

There are other finishers in this draft, admittedly none as good as RVN.. But playmakers like Rooney are rarer and much more valuable in my opinion.

Rooney hasn't created a whole lot, to be honest. He loves to demand the ball, but I'd like to see his assist totals. They connect with eachother but they don't bring out the best of eachother.

I'm not a fan of Rooney. I admire his skills, but I think he gets way, way too much credit than he deserves. As happens quickly with English premiership players, btw.

Rooney hasn't created a whole lot, to be honest. He loves to demand the ball, but I'd like to see his assist totals. They connect with eachother but they don't bring out the best of eachother.

I'm not a fan of Rooney. I admire his skills, but I think he gets way, way too much credit than he deserves. As happens quickly with English premiership players, btw.

I think that Rooney creates a lot just by his presence because he's probably the Premier League's Ronaldinho. Defenses back of him and consequently, the other striker gets more room. Ruud just can't run at defenses nearly as effectively. Just last Saturday, he beat three Chelsea defenders and then dragged his shot just wide. Outside of Ronaldinho and perhaps Henry, I really wouldn't fancy anyone else to pull something like that.

I don't think he gets too much credit at all, in Manu's first game without him, they didn't score a goal and Ruud was the one that actually missed a penalty I believe.

I think that Rooney creates a lot just by his presence because he's probably the Premier League's Ronaldinho. Defenses back of him and consequently, the other striker gets more room. Ruud just can't run at defenses nearly as effectively. Just last Saturday, he beat three Chelsea defenders and then dragged his shot just wide. Outside of Ronaldinho and perhaps Henry, I really wouldn't fancy anyone else to pull something like that.

I don't think he gets too much credit at all, in Manu's first game without him, they didn't score a goal and Ruud was the one that actually missed a penalty I believe.

At the same time, Ruud van Nistelrooij has been double, if not even triple teamed the moment he made his premier league debute. No one draws more attention in the box, and he alone requires the needed assistence from the backs, creating space for the wingers. I think that people look at Ruud as a finisher, but he does so much more than just standing there where he should. It's very nice Rooney can create more by himself, but it hasn't helped Man U as much as it has helped Ruud's constant 20+ goals, a mark Rooney has yet to accomplish. Ruud's goalscoring qualities are of such a rediculously high level that you have to be a world class playmaker in order to come close, something I don't think Rooney is by a long shot.

Give me world's greatest finisher over a young and hyped player who can also create plays.

I also don't see how he compares with world's greatest player, either. Even if the comparison was mildly, the premier ship doesn't have a Ronaldhino type in terms of playmaking and value. I guess this is what I mean with being overrated.

At the same time, Ruud van Nistelrooij has been double, if not even triple teamed the moment he made his premier league debute. No one draws more attention in the box, and he alone requires the needed assistence from the backs, creating space for the wingers. I think that people look at Ruud as a finisher, but he does so much more than just standing there where he should. It's very nice Rooney can create more by himself, but it hasn't helped Man U as much as it has helped Ruud's constant 20+ goals, a mark Rooney has yet to accomplish. Ruud's goalscoring qualities are of such a rediculously high level that you have to be a world class playmaker in order to come close, something I don't think Rooney is by a long shot.


Rooney has that playmaking skill, I disagree with you, why else do you think he's so important to the England squad? He's not the best passer yet, but that will come as he grows older, the vision is there and he's had some real nice passes so far this year. He'll never be a Bergkamp, but he can be decent.


Give me world's greatest finisher over a young and hyped player who can also create plays.


Rooney has scored 16 goals in the EPL at the age of 20 and none of them were penalties, he's 4th in the league in scoring, that's impressive enough for me.


I also don't see how he compares with world's greatest player, either. Even if the comparison was mildly, the premier ship doesn't have a Ronaldhino type in terms of playmaking and value. I guess this is what I mean with being overrated.

I never compared Rooney to Ronaldinho. I said that he was the Premiership's Ronaldinho. He's the guy who can run with the ball and is a constant threat. The Premiership has no one near the caliber of Ronaldinho. No one in the Premiership can compared with Ronaldinho's playmaking and scoring. Rooney is the closest thing, but he is a very, very long way away.

I never compared Rooney to Ronaldinho. I said that he was the Premiership's Ronaldinho. He's the guy who can run with the ball and is a constant threat. The Premiership has no one near the caliber of Ronaldinho. No one in the Premiership can compared with Ronaldinho's playmaking and scoring. Rooney is the closest thing, but he is a very, very long way away.

Actually he`s not that far away.

Rooney is the 2nd best forward in the Premiership, behind only Henry. I`m sorry Ott, but RVN is no where close to Rooney football wise. Sure, he`s a better finisher, but in every other aspect of the game Rooney is clearly superior.

Actually he`s not that far away.

Rooney is the 2nd best forward in the Premiership, behind only Henry. I`m sorry Ott, but RVN is no where close to Rooney football wise. Sure, he`s a better finisher, but in every other aspect of the game Rooney is clearly superior.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Rooney, but I feel that Ronaldinho is just in a different class right now. He has moments of brilliance that no one else can even come close to. Who else could have made that pass to Giuly in the Milan game?

Don't get me wrong, I really like Rooney, but I feel that Ronaldinho is just in a different class right now. He has moments of brilliance that no one else can even come close to. Who else could have made that pass to Giuly in the Milan game?

Ronaldinho got some insane moments that nobody in todays football can match, I agree. Still, many times I come away from watching a Barcelona game, dissapointed in what I`ve seen from the little Brazilian. Sure, he`s got his flashes of absolute magic, but then all of a sudden he disapears for long stretches of the game. After making a pass like the one to Giuly in leg 1 against Milan he probably earned his right to take the rest of that game and the next leg totally off, cause he sure did. Afterwards you could claim that his effort was enough as his team won thanks to Dinho`s pass, but it easily could`ve been Milan going through if not for the horrible refereeing that stole a goal away from them at Nou Camp.

Say what you want, but in many games he`s almost a non-factor. Sure enough, he`ll make a fanzy backheel pass, or a nice dribbling that make the crowd go Ohh and Ahhh now and then, and of course he`s got brilliant teammates at barcelona who`ll win the games anyway, but because of all the hype I expect more. I`m absolutely not buying in to the crap about him being the hands down greatest player in the world. Understand me right..he probably is the best player, but he is not by any means far, far, far ahead of the rest of the pack like many people feel. There`s a group up there, with 3-4 players who could be named the best player.

Don`t get me wrong, Ronaldinho is a great, great player and watching him do his tricks is an absolute treat, especially while wearing the Brazilian colors. Still, the hype often get to people heads. Dear I say it? Yes I do! Ronaldinho is overrated :snide:

And if you want to look at a great pass try looking up Kaka`s masterpiece in the Champions League final against Liverpool. 3rd goal. Magnificent

Ronaldinho got some insane moments that nobody in todays football can match, I agree. Still, many times I come away from watching a Barcelona game, dissapointed in what I`ve seen from the little Brazilian. Sure, he`s got his flashes of absolute magic, but then all of a sudden he disapears for long stretches of the game. After making a pass like the one to Giuly in leg 1 against Milan he probably earned his right to take the rest of that game and the next leg totally off, cause he sure did. Afterwards you could claim that his effort was enough as his team won thanks to Dinho`s pass, but it easily could`ve been Milan going through if not for the horrible refereeing that stole a goal away from them at Nou Camp.

Say what you want, but in many games he`s almost a non-factor. Sure enough, he`ll make a fanzy backheel pass, or a nice dribbling that make the crowd go Ohh and Ahhh now and then, and of course he`s got brilliant teammates at barcelona who`ll win the games anyway, but because of all the hype I expect more. I`m absolutely not buying in to the crap about him being the hands down greatest player in the world. Understand me right..he probably is the best player, but he is not by any means far, far, far ahead of the rest of the pack like many people feel. There`s a group up there, with 3-4 players who could be named the best player.

Don`t get me wrong, Ronaldinho is a great, great player and watching him do his tricks is an absolute treat, especially while wearing the Brazilian colors. Still, the hype often get to people heads. Dear I say it? Yes I do! Ronaldinho is overrated :snide:

And if you want to look at a great pass try looking up Kaka`s masterpiece in the Champions League final against Liverpool. 3rd goal. Magnificent

I think you might be a tad harsh on him here. He disappears and Barca would be a good team without him, but I don't know if they'd be CL contenders. Also, Eto'o has really come into his own since coming to Barca. Ronaldinho might be overrated, but he can change the course of the game in a way that few can and I don't think Rooney is very close to his playmaking ability yet.

I think you might be a tad harsh on him here. He disappears and Barca would be a good team without him, but I don't know if they'd be CL contenders. Also, Eto'o has really come into his own since coming to Barca. Ronaldinho might be overrated, but he can change the course of the game in a way that few can and I don't think Rooney is very close to his playmaking ability yet.

First, I`m always harsh.
Second, I wont put Rooney up there with the premier players of the world just yet, but I might in a year or two.
Third, No way Barca is a CL contender without Ronaldinho
Fourth, Eto`o is an excellent player in his own right, but Ronaldinho got a huge part in making him one of the best strikers in the world
Five, Ronaldinho is a great player, perhaps the best, but he is in my opinion overrated and some of the praise he gets is undeserved

First, I`m always harsh.
Second, I wont put Rooney up there with the premier players of the world just yet, but I might in a year or two.
Third, No way Barca is a CL contender without Ronaldinho
Fourth, Eto`o is an excellent player in his own right, but Ronaldinho got a huge part in making him one of the best strikers in the world
Five, Ronaldinho is a great player, perhaps the best, but he is in my opinion overrated and some of the praise he gets is undeserved

Agreed.

I'll go with Didier Drogba :(

I'll go with Didier Drogba :(

That's the first surprise pick, IMO (although I was a little suprised by Cech as well--last year he was fantastic, this year not as much). Maybe I'm too used to Chelsea fans clamouring for a striker like Adriano or Sheva, but still, if Chelsea have any weaknesses, it's striker and fullback.

Heh....you know something's up when the mostly-starting striker on the second-time-running EPL champions is questioned :p:. I think it's a decent pick, there's 2 or 3 strikers I'd take ahead of him, but I wouldn't call it a huge surprise.

That's the first surprise pick, IMO (although I was a little suprised by Cech as well--last year he was fantastic, this year not as much). Maybe I'm too used to Chelsea fans clamouring for a striker like Adriano or Sheva, but still, if Chelsea have any weaknesses, it's striker and fullback.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that striker is probably the least deep position in this draft and three have already been drafted. There are 2-4 strikers at the level after the first three that were drafted. Once those guys go, anybody that either doesn't have a striker or has only one and is playing with more than one in their formation is generally going to have an average player they're drafting. As for the player that everybody's clamouring to be drafted, there is plenty more depth at that position overall and left in this draft for him to be passed (especially by me considering who I've drafted and how many places I now have to wait to go again). At the end of the day all that matters is the team that somebody puts together and not the order of who was drafted when.

Si guess it's my turn again...

It's difficult, I have 2 players in mind... :(

Well... I select... CB Sami Hyypia from Liverpool. I had a DM in mind but I think CB isn't as deep... ^:)

Well, I praise the Drogba pick obviously.
He'll bring some things none of the other strikers will bring : grits, defensive game.
Just like that offensive tackle the other day that straightly lead to a goal.
Pure Drogba.
He's the EPL leader in assists too.

We'll gladly take the best winger in the world but at the same time; the injury riddled, diving and whining Arjen Robben..

You mean best winger outside Frank Ribéry right?

5 out of 10 players taken are form Chelsea... :eek:

You mean best winger outside Frank Ribéry right?

I take that as a joke..

Half a joke, half serious. :D

Robben is by name the best winger in the world, but on this year alone, Ribéry has been the best winger.
Actually, Ribéry has been better than most players in the world this year.
I heard Larque the other days (former St Etienne captain) and he was saying that Ribery was the most dominant player in L1 (excluding goalies) by very very far (and that includes Cris, Pauleta and Juninho for instance).

But it does take more than one year to be recognized as best winger in the world, so Robben does fit the title.

I heard Larque the other days (former St Etienne captain) and he was saying that Ribery was the most dominant player in L1 (excluding goalies) by very very far (and that includes Cris, Pauleta and Juninho for instance).WAIT! How is that possible??

Lol, you continue to underrate Pauleta, that's fine.
I stand by my incredibly biased belief that Pauleta is a top 25 striker. :biglaugh:

And yes Ribéry has had an absolute dominant season, even more so than Pauleta.

Robben pick is good, but I think there are players I would rather have at this point than Drogba and Hyppia.

Hyppia definitely, the other two perhaps.

I thought about a DM... I really don't like Robben. :)
Hyypia was a good choice IMo because I don't see a lot of valuable CB in this league... :)

Well, I praise the Drogba pick obviously.
He'll bring some things none of the other strikers will bring : grits, defensive game.
Just like that offensive tackle the other day that straightly lead to a goal.
Pure Drogba.
He's the EPL leader in assists too.

Which I was saving until I present my lineup, but since you mention it...

I have bigger fish to fry in this thread when I get time today.

Paulo Ferrira gets a bad rap. He's not THAT bad. And William Gallas is a fantastic LB.

Striker is a weakness in that "Didier Drogba doesn't do cool stuff and has problems" finishing.

Didier Drogba is fine what he's doing. We need a better version of Hernan Crespo.

Yeah, I realize none of our starting player are bad, but our strikers aren't at the level of Arsenal's of Man U's, and our fullbacks are far more likely to cost us a game than anyone else. At every other position, we're rock solid.

At the end of the day all that matters is the team that somebody puts together and not the order of who was drafted when.

All true. But since I'm not drafting, I need something to do while I wait :D.

About my pick:
I also think that Rooney is better than RvN in general but for my team RvN will be suited better. RvN is a great finisher and while Rooney is great at playingmaking, RvN is great in scoring.

In the end, its not the best individual 11 chosen but the best team made.

I don't know how important a striker's defensive ability is. Maybe if you're playing a diamond formation and your strikers have to cover the opposing team's fullbacks. Too me it's like playing a defensive defenseman on the powerplay--sure he'll stop some goals against, but in the long run, he's in the position to score a lot more goals than his defensive play could possibly stop.

About my Cech pick:
I picked him cause having a good GK is a great advantage. The EPL doesnt have that many good GK's and getting a good one is important.

Rage, in today's football, 1/3rd of the total goals are scored on set plays. So having a forward that take his defensive task seriously is an asset.
And more generally, just look how Lampard's goal was created the other day.
An opposing player is going with the ball, chased by Drogba. When guys like Henry, Ruud, Ronaldo, Adriano, Eto'o (though I've seen him do it) and all the best strikers in the world let it go after a while, Drogba refused to do so. He chased the guy, made an "offensive tackle" right near the center line, and dished it to Lampard who made a nice shot for the goal.
That may not seem like much, but that fighting spirit is exactly what can turn a game around. On one single play.

Cech was a good pick IMO.

I was thinking about taking Drogba but I needed a skilled player who can score rather than a fighter. I want a player who can score lots of goals.

Drogba wouldnt work in my system.

So, hmm I'm up...

I'll take Gallas and Edwin Van Der Sar...
These are two questionnable picks, no doubt.
Van Der Sar has nothing to do here, but the depth at goalie is so awful, that I couldn't let him get away.

Gallas provides me with an all world CB, something rare in the EPL.

PK, you're up again.

Two great picks, Evilo. Gallas was my next target though I never thought he'd get by you.. ;)

Van der Sar is flat out the 2nd best goalie in the Premier League, he might even challange for first. Dutch MVP.. I just don't like picking goalkeepers this early. I think it was a strong reason why we didn't do that well in L1 (Coupét as our first)..

Two great picks, Evilo. Gallas was my next target though I never thought he'd get by you.. ;)

Van der Sar is flat out the 2nd best goalie in the Premier League, he might even challange for first. Dutch MVP.. I just don't like picking goalkeepers this early. I think it was a strong reason why we didn't do that well in L1 (Coupét as our first)..

Agreed on both.
I just disagree with VdS here, since Evilo is IMO right. I don´t see any goalie who´s able to catch up with Cech or Van Der Saar.

He might not be the most popular, but he's still a very reliable defender... Jamie Carragher.

Argh !

Agreed on both.
I just disagree with VdS here, since Evilo is IMO right. I don´t see any goalie who´s able to catch up with Cech or Van Der Saar.

Very true, I just think that, when judging, the goalkeepers tend to get overlooked more easily..

On a reach here, but we'll take the 4th, and IMO last high end striker in the Premier league; Hernan Crespo

At this pace, I may pick today again.

Good picks so far (although I think there are better strikers than Crespo available but he is good and will work). Just personal preference I guess.

At this pace, I may pick today again.

Good picks so far (although I think there are better strikers than Crespo available but he is good and will work). Just personal preference I guess.

Crespo has 10 goals while being mostly a substitute. He is a superior striker to any striker still available IMO. He can decide games on his own..

Crespo has 10 goals while being mostly a substitute. He is a superior striker to any striker still available IMO. He can decide games on his own..
I didnt say he aint good. Just that I find there are better options left.

Depends what system you have. Crespo can work better in certain systems than others.

A good pick non-the-less.

I select my 3rd player and start building my midfield with :
DM Claude Makelele from Chelsea... I don't like him a lot but I respect his habilities in the middle. :)

For pure finishing, I like Crespo and that's why I would have picked him ahead of Drogba for a team that I would construct. Drogba misses too many sitters for me. If he had scored on either one of his great chances in the semifinal vs. Liverpool, that game could have turned out very differently.

But Drogba can be very effective depending on the team that's built around him. Gallas and Carragher are both good picks, but there are a couple more very good CBs running around.

I'll go with Xabi Alonso

Wow, Chelsea really getting a lot of picks. Still a couple of their guys I could see going soon.

Thrilled Xabi was still available. In my first XI depending on formation, so I'll take him. Just wish he was at Barça instead of Liverpool.

I'll take Gallas.

Surprised he was still available. I KNEW you'd take him if he was though. ;)

I'll go with Joe Cole.

I thought he'd go later. I like the kid though. Nice pick.

And more generally, just look how Lampard's goal was created the other day.
An opposing player is going with the ball, chased by Drogba. When guys like Henry, Ruud, Ronaldo, Adriano, Eto'o (though I've seen him do it) and all the best strikers in the world let it go after a while, Drogba refused to do so. He chased the guy, made an "offensive tackle" right near the center line, and dished it to Lampard who made a nice shot for the goal.
That may not seem like much, but that fighting spirit is exactly what can turn a game around. On one single play.

You've seen Eto'o do it? Eto'o can't do that. :biglaugh:

Actually Eto'o does that a lot and I'm surprised you included him with those other guys. I'm also surprised (to a lesser extent though) that you included Henry as well. Maybe not "chase the player", but Eto'o gets back to defend within the oppositions half. I know the idea you're going with here though. Eto'o does this for Barça quite a bit, though unlike that play there usually are a few more passes involved before the goal (as Eto'o is then often on the end of it). Still the turnover gained the possession that led to the goal seconds later. I totally agree with you. This is huge, especially when you're playing with a lone striker in the middle. A guy like Ronaldo would probably do really well with Barça right now and score in certain situations that Eto'o wouldn't. Still he'd never create the sorts of chances that Eto'o does as a result of his own defending.

=================================Next bit isn't directed at you E

The other thing that I'll say about both Drogba and somebody else and any criticisms they've received or may be perceived is this:

You know, nevermind. I'm gonna save it for when I post my final XI. Just be prepared for a mathematical reason as to why Drogba is essentially a 20 goal/season striker. And I'm talkin' about in the Premiership with Chelsea.

Actually he`s not that far away.

Rooney is the 2nd best forward in the Premiership, behind only Henry. I`m sorry Ott, but RVN is no where close to Rooney football wise. Sure, he`s a better finisher, but in every other aspect of the game Rooney is clearly superior.

I agree with you on Rooney. Still a notable enough distance between Rooney and Ronaldinho. Still Rooney is up there and should keep moving higher. Ronaldinho can get better though too as this season's numbers have shown. More on those later though. Anyway, Rooney is clearly superior to RVN in what he brings to team. Few if any managers would take RVN or Rooney.

Ronaldinho got some insane moments that nobody in todays football can match, I agree. Still, many times I come away from watching a Barcelona game, dissapointed in what I`ve seen from the little Brazilian. Sure, he`s got his flashes of absolute magic, but then all of a sudden he disapears for long stretches of the game. After making a pass like the one to Giuly in leg 1 against Milan he probably earned his right to take the rest of that game and the next leg totally off, cause he sure did. Afterwards you could claim that his effort was enough as his team won thanks to Dinho`s pass, but it easily could`ve been Milan going through if not for the horrible refereeing that stole a goal away from them at Nou Camp.

Say what you want, but in many games he`s almost a non-factor. Sure enough, he`ll make a fanzy backheel pass, or a nice dribbling that make the crowd go Ohh and Ahhh now and then, and of course he`s got brilliant teammates at barcelona who`ll win the games anyway, but because of all the hype I expect more. I`m absolutely not buying in to the crap about him being the hands down greatest player in the world. Understand me right..he probably is the best player, but he is not by any means far, far, far ahead of the rest of the pack like many people feel. There`s a group up there, with 3-4 players who could be named the best player.

Don`t get me wrong, Ronaldinho is a great, great player and watching him do his tricks is an absolute treat, especially while wearing the Brazilian colors. Still, the hype often get to people heads. Dear I say it? Yes I do! Ronaldinho is overrated :snide:

And if you want to look at a great pass try looking up Kaka`s masterpiece in the Champions League final against Liverpool. 3rd goal. Magnificent

1 Ronaldinho may have long, or rather seemingly long, stretches where he does "disappear". IMO that happens to plenty of players. More to the point though, you have to consider who he's playing alongside. When you're playing with the likes of Deco, Xavi, Messi, Giuly, Iniesta and/or Eto'o you're playing with a lot of other big cogs in the machine. Add to that the fact that he's on the left and Deco isn't the distributor that Xavi is and you can understand that he isn't always going to see the ball. Often times when I see him "disappear", he isn't seeing much of the ball. This is all not even considering that he's often times double or triple teamed. Still for me it's more that he doesn't always get so much of the ball on the left. Either way, when Ronaldinho has a subpar performance he's still better than the majority of the players on the pitch and causes a lot of danger. He'll even give the ball away when trying sublime passes, but he pulls them off more than anybody else.

2 As for him taking the rest of the first leg and the whole second leg off, that's not only harsh but it's wrong. You're right about the second leg, he "took that leg off." However he certainly didn't take the rest of the first leg off. He set up Eto'o nicely and hit the inside of the post to name but two big plays. He may have taken the first 50 minutes of the first leg off, but that's it.

3 Key word being "could've". For starters, that "goal" still wouldn't have put Milan through. They still needed another goal and there is not guarantee they would have went through. Add to that the fact that Costacurta should have been sent off for his challenge on Eto'o, and one can easily argue an entirely different outcome to that match in Barça's favour. General consensus on that CL tie was that Barça deserved to go through and the vast majority of the Milan supporters i've encountered (who were very gracious in going out all things considered) said it as well.

4 There's a group at the top, but it only consists of two players: Ronaldinho and Henry. Right now they are alone at the top. There are some players very close, but those two are the best.

5 If Ronaldinho is overrated, then so are a host of other players starting with Lampard.

First, I`m always harsh.
Second, I wont put Rooney up there with the premier players of the world just yet, but I might in a year or two.
Third, No way Barca is a CL contender without Ronaldinho
Fourth, Eto`o is an excellent player in his own right, but Ronaldinho got a huge part in making him one of the best strikers in the world
Five, Ronaldinho is a great player, perhaps the best, but he is in my opinion overrated and some of the praise he gets is undeserved

1 Gee, d'ya think?
3 :shakehead Yeah, and take away the best player from every other team and they are right? What a bunch of nonsense. I suppose Arsenal would be CL contenders w/o Henry.
4 Oh boy. For starters Eto'o was a lot of the player he is now before he got to Barça. He'd already been African player of the year before joining and was consistently scoring about 16-18 goals a seasons in La Liga for a few seasons; with Mallorca. Since he left, Mallorca has been in a constant struggle to stay up. Two seasons after Eto'o, two dances with possible relegation. Has Eto'o benefitted from being at Barça? Of course, but it isn't all down to Ronaldinho. Eto'o has 31 goals in all competitions this season for Barça. Ronaldinho has 18 assists in all competitions this season, and they weren't all on Eto'o goals. I'll let you sort out the math. Last season: Eto'o 28 goals and Ronnie with 12 assists.
5 Totally undeserved. He's only got 25 goals and 18 assists in all competitions this season.

Well, I praise the Drogba pick obviously.
He'll bring some things none of the other strikers will bring : grits, defensive game.
Just like that offensive tackle the other day that straightly lead to a goal.
Pure Drogba.
He's the EPL leader in assists too.

Hold on.. You have a hard on for Drogba just for doing such things, but at the same time you fail to see them when we're talking about Dirk Kuijt? Not saying they are on the same level, but Kuijt has conquered I don't know how many balls, turning games around.. And he too has lead the league in assists..

Hold on.. You have a hard on for Drogba just for doing such things, but at the same time you fail to see them when we're talking about Dirk Kuijt? Not saying they are on the same level, but Kuijt has conquered I don't know how many balls, turning games around.. And he too has lead the league in assists..
Where did you see I was failing to see Kuijt's qualities?
It's just that they aren't enough to rank him above Tevez.
Just as Drogba's qualities don't rank him above Henry.

That'd be like me asking why you took Ruud before Drogba, using the Kuijt/Tevez comparison.

That said, I'd take Drogba right now above Ruud.

That said, I'd take Drogba right now above Ruud.

I'm very surprised at that from you, Ruud is arguably the most lethal finisher in the world. Say what you want for Drogba, but the fact remains that he just does not hit the net much of the time.

I know, if you look at history, Ruud is an easy choice. But RIGHT NOW (meaning not for this draft, which takes the past into account), I'd take Drogba.
Drogba can create things by himself, Ruud can't.
In any case, Drogba has resisted Crespo's concurrence. Ruud hasn't resisted a certain lower player's concurrence.
And when the two are on the bench, one pukes, the other plays a team game.

I know, if you look at history, Ruud is an easy choice. But RIGHT NOW (meaning not for this draft, which takes the past into account), I'd take Drogba.
Drogba can create things by himself, Ruud can't.
In any case, Drogba has resisted Crespo's concurrence. Ruud hasn't resisted a certain lower player's concurrence.
And when the two are on the bench, one pukes, the other plays a team game.

Drogba, too had a period where he had to watch Crespo take his minutes. Just because Ruud's situation is more recent doesn't make it more of a big deal. Also, Ruud has handled his bench duties with a lot of respect and understanding. Not once has he whined, he continuesly praised Fergeson and states how he's the coach, he makes the decisions while he himself can only accept them. It's the media that makes it a bigger scene than it really is. It's the media that fabricates the rumors that he wants out and is treated disrespectfully, Ruud himself wants to remain a Red for as long as he is capable off before finishing off his career with PSV..

And Ruud can't create his own chances? He plays deeper than any other striker in the world. Whenever he gets the ball it's in a scorings position.. But even if he picks the ball up from midfield, which rarely happens, he can create plenty:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KoF9ez09vBk&search=Ruud

Well Ruud can't create chances, it's not because he did it once or twice that it suddenly becomes his game. You could also find one or two clinical finishes from Drogba (probably even more then non tap in Ruud goals) but that doesn't make him a finisher either.

There is nothing wrong with being a 'tap in striker' just as there is nothing much wrong with being a working class striker who creates a ton of difficulties for the defence and who still scores and creates goals for his teammates despite some technical irregularities.


My position on this: I think a player of Ruud's qualities is more rare then a player like Drogba. Both are near the best in the world in their respective games but there simply are less finishers then there are hard working big strikers.

As for this season I think Drogba has been better. But that doesn't change the fact that a pure goalscorer like Ruud is harder to find.

I agree with all what you said in this post. And indeed, Drogba's been better this season, hence my original post : I'd take him over Ruud RIGHT NOW.

Well Ruud can't create chances, it's not because he did it once or twice that it suddenly becomes his game.Ruud dit it way more than once or twice. He had some awesome dribbles for PSV and has shown to be able to create chances by himself if the oppertunity arrises. Problem is, that oppertunity rarely occures due to his deep position.


You could also find one or two clinical finishes from Drogba (probably even more then non tap in Ruud goals) but that doesn't make him a finisher either.But it makes him capable of finishing just like self creating goals by Ruud makes him capable of in that regard...

Drogba remains a level behind Ruud, either way.

I will pick in 30 minutes.

Dont want to rush my pick.

So with my 1st pick today I select CB Rio Ferdinand.

I selected him 3rd OA in the last draft (:innocent: ) but he is the best CB left in my opinion and has a lot experience.

2nd pick to come shortly.

This pick will surely cause a discussion but its my decision to select (IMO) the best RB in the EPL (IMO): Gary Neville.

He has over 500 EPL games, was a captain at times, has been to 2 World Cups and is a consistent performer. He tries all the time and is a good team player. He has vast experience and will help the backline.

I wouldn't say it's a bad selection, myself and a few friends discussed a list of the top Premiership players a little while back and Neville ended up somewhere between 15-20, so that's a decent spot to select him at, for me anyway.

I wouldn't say it's a bad selection, myself and a few friends discussed a list of the top Premiership players a little while back and Neville ended up somewhere between 15-20, so that's a decent spot to select him at, for me anyway.

Meh.. He's not even a top 15 RB..

Staying in midfield I'll take Judas, err Cesc Fabregas

Staying in midfield I'll take Judas, err Cesc Fabregas
He was one of my theoretic options to take now but I didnt take him.

Meh.. He's not even a top 15 RB..
How many out of those top 15 are in the EPL though?

How many out of those top 15 are in the EPL though?

I think there have been two better ones over the course of the past two seasons and as of late there's a third one that should be considered better.

Well, I really don't like Chelsea but...
Another one...

DM Mickael Essien

I hope Bakos doesn't mind, I really do but he's offline right now and I want to keep this thing going. So I go ahead and select one of the top left backs in the world: Ashley Cole

Good picks still, most of these players are pretty high profile, I'm looking forward to the lower rounds where there are some lesser known guys.

I'm selecting clutch striker Robbie Keane.

First pick that some might question, but I think it's pretty good depending on how he's used.

It's kinda hard to argue against one of the best shooting % in the Premiership.

The big knock on him in his size and the fact that he plays for Spurs ;) , I personally still find him very effective though. For some reason, he's never really been viewed among the Premiership's elite though.

I hope Bakos doesn't mind, I really do but he's offline right now and I want to keep this thing going. So I go ahead and select one of the top left backs in the world: Ashley Cole

My least favorite of the three options, but it´s more a personal preference ;)

First pick that some might question, but I think it's pretty good depending on how he's used.

Maybe in terms of when he was selected to a small extent, but I disagree if you look at some of his numbers. Still there have been a good number of strikers chosen so you've gotta start getting them. I'm not going to say anything though since PK is making it a habit of his from time to time of taking players I like/want. :rant: ;)

I'll pick Gaby Heinze.

My other pick in a few minutes...

I'll take Darren Bent (Charlton)

Both good picks from Evilo, I was interested to see if anyone would forget about Heinze and interested to see if anyone knew about Bent.

I hesitated to pick Bent because I need some midfielders, however, I'll play a 4-2-2, so I needed a good stiker to play with Henry, and I'll take care of the midfield later.

I hesitated to pick Bent because I need some midfielders, however, I'll play a 4-2-2, so I needed a good stiker to play with Henry, and I'll take care of the midfield later.
Both good choices, Heinze has really fallen off the radar after his injury.

Do you mean you'll pay 4-4-2 or 4-2-4?

oops, 4-4-2.

We'd like to select our 4th Chelsea player, CB Ricardo Carvalho

Evilo only needs 8 players, all the rest of you suckers are going down easy :D.

I'm going back to Spurs and I take CB Ledley King.

Great pick.

Both good picks from Evilo, I was interested to see if anyone would forget about Heinze and interested to see if anyone knew about Bent.
I didnt forget about him, I was going to pick him at one point in the draft.

I'm going back to Spurs and I take CB Ledley King.
:(

Was hoping he would fall to my next pick.

Evilo only needs 8 players, all the rest of you suckers are going down easy :D.
Hehe, with Henry and Bent up front, I only need 2 midfielder... ;)

Hehe, with a Gallas-Heinze combination, I think I could play with two defensemen as well... ;)

I also have two D's but I cant imagine Neville playing at the CB position. :D

By the way I still have to criticise the Hyypia selection. Not that he's not had a great season but at times you can still see him getting burnt. And not taking Carra over Hyypia is something I'd never consider personally. So in short I love Sami but I think he was picked one round too early at least.

Apart from Hyypia the Keane selection is a bit strange but after this season it's no surprise that the striker lists would be all over the place and would differ a lot from person to person. Apart from Henry - Ruud and Drogba nobody really stood out. For instance look at the top scorer's list loads of guys around the same numbers...



Also I'm a bit surprised that two players in the same position continue to slide, especially given the fact that it's not exactly the strongest position in England.

By the way I still have to criticise the Hyypia selection. Not that he's not had a great season but at times you can still see him getting burnt. And not taking Carra over Hyypia is something I'd never consider personally. So in short I love Sami but I think he was picked one round too early at least.

Apart from Hyypia the Keane selection is a bit strange but after this season it's no surprise that the striker lists would be all over the place and would differ a lot from person to person. Apart from Henry - Ruud and Drogba nobody really stood out. For instance look at the top scorer's list loads of guys around the same numbers...

Also I'm a bit surprised that two players in the same position continue to slide, especially given the fact that it's not exactly the strongest position in England.

I don't think Hyypia made a lot of mistakes in the games I saw... less than a Carvalho IMO... :dunno:

Still, I have to select and I have a tough time to choose... :cry:
I'll take RW Stelios Giannakopoulos from Bolton. I liked him vs Marseille in the UEFA cup a few months ago... :)

And I have no clue about the 2 players you're talking about, maybe one but I don't like him, he's a bust... :D

I'll go with Kolo Toure of the Arsenal

I couldn't do with any more Chavs. :sarcasm: Actually, could still see a few more Chavs going shortly and in even in the next pick or two.

Will pick in 30 minutes. Have to decide wisely.

I'll go with Kolo Toure of the Arsenal

I was wondering when we would go. He's just as good as Carragher in my book and although I'm probably a tad biased, I think he's just as good as any CB in England except for Terry and Gallas.

A couple major sleepers right now that are starting to fall, this is when things get interesting.

I was wondering when we would go. He's just as good as Carragher in my book and although I'm probably a tad biased, I think he's just as good as any CB in England except for Terry and Gallas.

I was surprised he was missed considering some of the other CB's drafted. Who knows though, maybe he won't even be my CB.

I was wondering when we would go. He's just as good as Carragher in my book and although I'm probably a tad biased, I think he's just as good as any CB in England except for Terry and Gallas.
Based on my multi-year observation of Gabi Heinze, I'd say he's one of the best Dmen in the world, and very very near Gallas level and thus above Toure.
His versatility is a good asset too.
In any case, Toure is a very good defenseman.

With my 1st pick I select Tottenham Hotspur's CM Michael Carrick, who is heading to the World Cup. He is a good passer and a good all-round player.

Before I pick the 2nd time: Injuries arent taken into consideration, right? Cause Heinze aint fully healed yet so I can pick an injured player or not?

Based on my multi-year observation of Gabi Heinze, I'd say he's one of the best Dmen in the world, and very very near Gallas level and thus above Toure.
His versatility is a good asset too.
In any case, Toure is a very good defenseman.

I'd have taken Cole over Heinze personally, but Heinze was a very close second for me. He'd have been mine had he been available.

Before I pick the 2nd time: Injuries arent taken into consideration, right? Cause Heinze aint fully healed yet so I can pick an injured player or not?

I'd say yes and more so no. If it's John Woodgate, then yes. :D

(If injuries are taken into consideration this pick will be changed)

I now select a great CAM who has been a top flight EPL CAM for years. He works hard and he clicks with RvN. Has 490 EPL games and lots of experience.
I select CAM Paul Scholes. I know he is injured now but we didnt decide if we take injured players or not.

I'd have taken Cole over Heinze personally, but Heinze was a very close second for me. He'd have been mine had he been available.
But Cole is a pure LB. Heinze plays both CB and LB with ease.
He also brings more on set plays than Cole, something that is very important on my team.

Before I pick the 2nd time: Injuries arent taken into consideration, right? Cause Heinze aint fully healed yet so I can pick an injured player or not?
Injuries don't count as a factor, except when someone can't stay healthy (a la Woodgate).
Still it's a fantasy draft, and thus in a fantasy world, no player is injured :)

So its all good. I selected Scholes mainly due to him being a good support striker when he scored 20 goals behind Ruud. They play well together and maybe thats why Ruud is having a bad season with Scholes out?

But Cole is a pure LB. Heinze plays both CB and LB with ease.
He also brings more on set plays than Cole, something that is very important on my team.

Well if you're going for versatility due to the draft, then smart pick. As a LB though, it's Cole for me. Like I said though, Heinze is right after him at that position. Like I said, had he been available...

Hmmm. Have to go by my depth charts here. I'll go with what I'm sure will be a controversial pick and take the often maligned and over criticized Cristiano Ronaldo of Manchester United.

Hmmm. Have to go by my depth charts here. I'll go with what I'm sure will be a controversial pick and take the often maligned and over criticized Cristiano Ronaldo of Manchester United.
This pick will be debated. I wouldnt take him in this draft even if he was available in the 10th round.

I see quite a lot of ManU games and he is a blackhole. When he gets the ball, 9/10 he goes alone and only passed away when he has no chance of going further or when he gets by the player. He slows down the tempo of the attack sometimes when he just HAS to go around the D with 100 fakes, stepovers etc.

He can be good when on his game but he just aint consistent yet and he can be childish.

This pick will be debated. I wouldnt take him in this draft even if he was available in the 10th round.

I see quite a lot of ManU games and he is a blackhole. When he gets the ball, 9/10 he goes alone and only passed away when he has no chance of going further or when he gets by the player. He slows down the tempo of the attack sometimes when he just HAS to go around the D with 100 fakes, stepovers etc.

He can be good when on his game but he just aint consistent yet and he can be childish.

Yet you just chose Paul Scholes. :shakehead

I see Man U plenty of times as well. Only one other guy I would have remotely wanted at this position and IMO he's not as good. Besides it like I said before, he's got stats to back him up. Figo didn't just recommend him to Real Madrid (as opposed to recommending Joaquin who loves Madrid and who's favourite player is Figo) for nuthin'.

Yet you just chose Paul Scholes. :shakehead

I see Man U plenty of times as well. Only one other guy I would have remotely wanted at this position and IMO he's not as good. Besides it like I said before, he's got stats to back him up. Figo didn't just recommend him to Real Madrid (as opposed to recommending Joaquin who loves Madrid and who's favourite player is Figo) for nuthin'.
Scholes aint a blackhole.

Scholes atleast tries hard and passes when he can (he shoots but he passes more than Cristiano).

I just guess we agree to disagree on Ronaldo.

Based on my multi-year observation of Gabi Heinze, I'd say he's one of the best Dmen in the world, and very very near Gallas level and thus above Toure.
His versatility is a good asset too.
In any case, Toure is a very good defenseman.

I like Heinze's versatility, but I feel that Toure is the better CB. Heinze is also a world-class LB though which Toure isn't although Toure can fill in at RB if needed.

Scholes aint a blackhole.

Scholes atleast tries hard and passes when he can (he shoots but he passes more than Cristiano).

I just guess we agree to disagree on Ronaldo.

I agree with you, just to a lesser extent. Besides, if my lineup keeps shaping up as it already does he won't have to pass so much since. I've already the leader in assists along with arguably (very easily I might add) two of the best if not the two best midfielder passers in the league.

BTW, Ronaldo is just three assists behind the league leader along with being tied for 11th in the scoring chart. That's not to mention he's only going to get better as he matures.

I like Heinze's versatility, but I feel that Toure is the better CB. Heinze is also a world-class LB though which Toure isn't although Toure can fill in at RB if needed.

Exactly my take, though I wasn't really ever comparing Heinze to Toure. Exactly my take on Toure's other position though.

I agree with you, just to a lesser extent. Besides, if my lineup keeps shaping up as it already does he won't have to pass so much since. I've already the leader in assists along with arguably (very easily I might add) two of the best if not the two best midfielder passers in the league.

BTW, Ronaldo is just three assists behind the league leader along with being tied for 11th in the scoring chart. That's not to mention he's only going to get better as he matures.
He can work in a good system (like you said). It all depends how you build the rest of your line-up.

I'm not a big fan of either the Scholes or Ronaldo picks.

Scholes used to be a lot better, but even before his injury, you could see that he was beginning to tail off. He's still a decent player, but there are a couple others who I would have picked ahead of him.

Ronaldo I am just not sold on. I can think of 3 players who I would rather have right now just because they are more consistently good. Ronaldo can be effective in some games, but truly terrible in others and there are some more consistent options out there right now.

Ronaldo I am just not sold on. I can think of 3 players who I would rather have right now just because they are more consistently good. Ronaldo can be effective in some games, but truly terrible in others and there are some more consistent options out there right now.

Hmmm. Be interesting to see who you think they are. I can think of one. The other guy doesn't fit your description so much (though he can, it's just pretty much impossible for him to do so right now). Also, "right now" is fine but as was discussed and agreed on by some of the judges in the overall draft thread this isn't just a right now draft (or last not for everybody).

Hmmm. Be interesting to see who you think they are. I can think of one. The other guy doesn't fit your description so much (though he can, it's just pretty much impossible for him to do so right now). Also, "right now" is fine but as was discussed and agreed on by some of the judges in the overall draft thread this isn't just a right now draft (or last not for everybody).

When I say "right now" I'm not saying that they've burst onto the scene just now. In fact, 2 guys that I'm thinking about have been pretty established players for a while. Just thinking though, Ronaldo really isn't too bad of a pick. His goalscoring really is an asset and although he can be foolish, he's always a threat.

I think Ronaldo has the Beckham syndrom here : he's so tremendously overrated by casual fans that he gets tremendously underrated by us.
He's young, he makes tons of mistakes, has a bit of an attitude, but he's still a premier young talent.

12# Peter Bondra :
This pick will be debated. I wouldnt take him in this draft even if he was available in the 10th round.

I see quite a lot of ManU games and he is a blackhole. When he gets the ball, 9/10 he goes alone and only passed away when he has no chance of going further or when he gets by the player. He slows down the tempo of the attack sometimes when he just HAS to go around the D with 100 fakes, stepovers etc.

He can be good when on his game but he just aint consistent yet and he can be childish.
Best description I could make... I have exactly the same opinion. :bow:

BTW I make again a pick and select CB Philippe Sanderos from Arsenal. :)

Best description I could make... I have exactly the same opinion. :bow:

Since we're all offering our opinions here, I could make some about Landon Donovan going 20th overall in a draft he shouldn't have even been chosen in.

I think Ronaldo has the Beckham syndrom here : he's so tremendously overrated by casual fans that he gets tremendously underrated by us.
He's young, he makes tons of mistakes, has a bit of an attitude, but he's still a premier young talent.Same here.

I'm not a massive fan of Senderos, especially given he's amongst the top ten centre defenders selected. He's very good when he's good but he gets exposed nearly as often, and is still quite raw in places. I'd have a few others above him, for sure.

Since we're all offering our opinions here, I could make some about Landon Donovan going 20th overall in a draft he shouldn't have even been chosen in.
This topic was already discussed a few days ago and it's for sure a questionable pick. Still, it's more difficult to judge a player who had some international success and he's the best US player even if he didn't have a lot of games in Europe than a player signed to a million dollars contract to lead the richest team in the world but can't play with his teamates.
He's talented, no doubt. He's got some real skills with a ball. What's questionable with him is his soccer sense, his selfish play, and finally his total lack of impact in a game (except the lose balls). Yes, he reached the Euro finals but I don't think he has a huge impact on the Portugal play...

Well, that's sport : everyone has an opinion, is a coach, player, and everything... and I don't think there's one "truth"... Cristiano is a risky pick but I still think it's a valuable one in the EPL draft. But I'll still defend the Donovan one, maybe he was taken too soon, but I still think it's a good pick in the BOTR draft instead of a lot of totally unproven players in the international stages. At least, Donovan had play 2 world cups, and was very good on both. You can't say the same for Cristiano Ronaldo and more, from at least 20 players selected as "can't miss" in the BOTR. :)

We'll make our pick shortly.. Just discussing a few things.

We'll pick: Alexander Hleb (Arsenal)..

I'm surprised to see him now... He has a nice end of season but he's still unproven... Though he impressed me in both CL semi finals games... :)

I'm surprised to see him now... He has a nice end of season but he's still unproven... Though he impressed me in both CL semi finals games... :)

I used to dislike him as well but he has impressed me every single time I've watched him play, be it for Stuttgart or Arsenal. He and Lampard would form a nice duo at midfield.

He has a nice end of season but he's still unproven...

He´s a proven guy in the Bundesliga and one of their premium midfielders in the last 2-3 seasons :)

He´s a proven guy in the Bundesliga and one of their premium midfielders in the last 2-3 seasons :)

I don't get the unproven thing, either.

BTW, no one has a list from PK? BF perhaps?

If nobody has a list for PK, we might as well skip the 24 hours.

If nobody has a list for PK, we might as well skip the 24 hours.

Seeing as his needs are laying somewhere else in comparison to his followers (you and me), it works for me..

Sorry guys, I couldn't get to the computer last night, PK's pick is Aaron Lennon.

Sorry guys, I couldn't get to the computer last night, PK's pick is Aaron Lennon.

Great talent, but way too early IMO.

I'll pick Reyes and Duff.

PK (Flyhigh) is up before it's our turn again.. This is going at a nice tempo..

I'll pick Reyes and Duff.

DOH! There goes Reyes. :(

DOH! There goes Reyes. :(

Reyes is playing a position which is quite deep in the EPL. I figured he might've lasted longer because of it.

This topic was already discussed a few days ago and it's for sure a questionable pick. Still, it's more difficult to judge a player who had some international success and he's the best US player even if he didn't have a lot of games in Europe than a player signed to a million dollars contract to lead the richest team in the world but can't play with his teamates.
He's talented, no doubt. He's got some real skills with a ball. What's questionable with him is his soccer sense, his selfish play, and finally his total lack of impact in a game (except the lose balls). Yes, he reached the Euro finals but I don't think he has a huge impact on the Portugal play...

Well, that's sport : everyone has an opinion, is a coach, player, and everything... and I don't think there's one "truth"... Cristiano is a risky pick but I still think it's a valuable one in the EPL draft. But I'll still defend the Donovan one, maybe he was taken too soon, but I still think it's a good pick in the BOTR draft instead of a lot of totally unproven players in the international stages. At least, Donovan had play 2 world cups, and was very good on both. You can't say the same for Cristiano Ronaldo and more, from at least 20 players selected as "can't miss" in the BOTR. :)

It's more difficult to judge Donovan? I'd say he's a HUGE failure. He gets lambasted all the time by two Brits who have a TV and Radio show over here. He's a quitter and hasn't shown a thing away from MLS in terms of club football. He's also arguably NOT the best US player. When you consider the NT he plays for, and this is my country mind you, it's not surprise he has international experience. Besides, any manager worth his salt would take Gago, Moutinho, Farfan, Aguero or Emanuelson in their squad over Donovan.

Ronaldo is younger and plays for a better NT. His first selection chance would have been Euro 2004, and he was chosen. He started as a sub but won a place by the end. He also scored some goals and added at least one assist. In fact I remember a particular headed goal that was pretty big. He'll also be featuring in the WC for Portugal. Like I said though, Ronaldo's numbers speak for themselves.

Reyes is playing a position which is quite deep in the EPL. I figured he might've lasted longer because of it.

Well if you haven't noticed, that depth is running out fast. I also like Reyes better than most. I can live w/o him, but would have preferred to live with him. Besides, we all know FlyHigh is a Homer so... :sarcasm: :D ;)

I'll pick Reyes and Duff.
I wanted both with my next picks :(.

PK takes Paolo Ferreira.

I wanted both with my next picks :(.

I only wanted Reyes. Hey, maybe you can make a trade with Evilo. :D

Well if you haven't noticed, that depth is running out fast. I also like Reyes better than most. I can live w/o him, but would have preferred to live with him. Besides, we all know FlyHigh is a Homer so... :sarcasm: :D ;)

I'll do my best to keep myself impartial in this draft and I have to say that I am confused with the Duff and Reyes picks. I was surprised that Duff dropped this far, I think very highly of him, but he and Reyes are most effective at the same position. Reyes is a bit too streaky for my liking as well. He can have games where he is incredible followed by games where he is invisible.

Duff can play both sides with ease IMO.

Duff can play both sides with ease IMO.

And Reyes more so. Many wingers can depending on your reasoning.

True, Reyes can play both sides too.
I have a nice attack with a Reyes-Henry-Bent-Duff combo.
I'll focus on the defensive side now.

I'll do my best to keep myself impartial in this draft and I have to say that I am confused with the Duff and Reyes picks. I was surprised that Duff dropped this far, I think very highly of him, but he and Reyes are most effective at the same position. Reyes is a bit too streaky for my liking as well. He can have games where he is incredible followed by games where he is invisible.

I agree on both points, but Duff can be streaky too. I guess I'd say everybody can be. I think it depends on who is in your lineup too. Reyes and Henry together I like.

PK takes Paolo Ferreira.

Missed you even picking for him.

I've only see Reyes playing on the right side once or twice during his time at Arsenal and he wasn't very good there. Duff is a little more versatile, but I still prefer him on the left side, I'll be interested to see how you set up your formation.

Missed you even picking for him.

I couldn't pick for him last night (senior prom and all that), so the draft was slightly delayed, but he left a list.

I couldn't pick for him last night (senior prom and all that), so the draft was slightly delayed, but he left a list.

No, I just went to page 1 and saw Ferreira and was like "how did I miss that when i've posting and Evilo just went."

No, I just went to page 1 and saw Ferreira and was like "how did I miss that when i've posting and Evilo just went."
Evilo just went?
Come on Chris, even Reyes can't give me this effect... :D

Having trouble deciding between two players.. I'll wait till Bakos replies..

Evilo just went?
Come on Chris, even Reyes can't give me this effect... :D

Hehe. Oh yeah. Guess i've been caught in too many posts today. Oddly enough my post count has been stuck at 248 for weeks/months now.

Having trouble deciding between two players.. I'll wait till Bakos replies..

Taibi doesn't play in the Premiership anymore if that helps.

Posts in the non-hockey forums don't count
Otherwise, I'd have 20.000 already!

Taibi doesn't play in the Premiership anymore if that helps.
I'm sure there's a couple of dutch players still available to O=S :D

Posts in the non-hockey forums don't count
Otherwise, I'd have 20.000 already!

Hehe, didn't know that. If I gave the Habs board more time I'd never make it in here. They have like 50 threads a day.

I know.
When I post a message there inthe evening, I wake up a few hours later, and I can't even find the thread I posted in!

I know.
When I post a message there inthe evening, I wake up a few hours later, and I can't even find the thread I posted in!

:biglaugh: EXACTLY! I can't even keep the board members there straight.

X, Arsenal? Never would've considered him, but has he left the Premier league? I thought he got injured?

And yes, there are some intruiging Dutch players, but I'm trying to avoid my bias as much as I can. One of them definitely could be drafted right now, however.

X, Arsenal? Never would've considered him, but has he left the Premier league? I thought he got injured?

And yes, there are some intruiging Dutch players, but I'm trying to avoid my bias as much as I can. One of them definitely could be drafted right now, however.

So is he your pick?

So is he your pick?

I'm waiting for Bakos.. Can't pick without his permission.

Though this makes me feel like an old married couple..

I edited a name of a player still available.

Posts in the non-hockey forums don't count
:eek:
and since when? (i know it didn't work that way..)

I can think of several good Dutch players right now. I bet I know the one O=S wants though.

:eek:
and since when? (i know it didn't work that way..)
For a long time. A year maybe?

O=S/Bakos are still up.

After thinking it through, we'll take Robin van Persie

With my 7th choice, I have some troubles... I have 5 players on my list...

I'll take RD Pascal Chimbonda who made the best team of the season in EPL.
Hopefully my next guy will be there later. :)

For a long time. A year maybe?C'mon, one year already??
The other week i checked my counter fearing it was showing an awfully high number.. i was somehow relieved to see my total slightly over the 3000 mark and i thought ah, ok, the situation maybe it's not that serious.. :naughty:

I know what you mean. I spend too much time here these days.
But when I see O=S or GKJ's counters, I feel much better... :D

I know what you mean. I spend too much time here these days.
But when I see O=S or GKJ's counters, I feel much better... :D

No kidding. Sometimes I look at my post count and wonder if I even have a life. Worst part is that my post count would be at 25000 if posts in this section would count.

Ah well, most of them were because of a 2 year long, very, very boring internship. I did nothing else then surf the internet all day.

I like the Chimbonda pick pretty well. RB is a thin position and he's probably up there for the best that are left although there are a couple more including 2 that I'm surprised have dropped this far.

The RvP pick is decent for me. He's a real conjurer from tight angles, but he hasn't quite put it all together yet. If he stays healthy, I'd expect a big year from him next year, he was on quite a goalscoring streak before he got hurt.

I would have taken some other strikers before Van Persie, that's for sure.

I would have taken some other strikers before Van Persie, that's for sure.

The thing about him is that he is pretty versatile. I can think of a couple I would rather take at striker, but none of them can really play wing.

Well, I'd rank a pure RW above VP, and I'd rank some strikers before him.

Well, I'd rank a pure RW above VP, and I'd rank some strikers before him.

Obviously yes, but if O=S still isn't sure where he wants to go, RvP isn't a bad pick.

EDIT: Also just thinking about RvP, a lot of others don't have his passing ability which has really blossomed. He had a couple of great finds against Man City which lead to good chances including one where Henry really should have scored.

Well, I'd rank a pure RW above VP, and I'd rank some strikers before him.


It´s been a decision between two RWs for us and VP impressed us a tad more than the other, but we´re watching the market :)

Les Habs has 9 hours to pick, otherwise PB can pick twice.

I'll go with Michael Owen

Les Habs has 9 hours to pick, otherwise PB can pick twice.

:shakehead

I would have taken some other strikers before Van Persie, that's for sure.

Are there better strikers out there? - Perhaps. Better wingers? - Perhaps. But who else can play all 3 forward positions as well? Van Persie is a very versatile attacker, he can cover a flank as well as be a threat in the middle at the same time. No other player available could in our opinion.

:shakehead
:dunno: :confused:

Peter Bondra is up twice.

I'll go with Michael Owen
I was thinking about taking him. Atleast I now know that I wont take him.

With my 1st pick I select LB Del Horno.

Will make my 2nd pick in 20 minutes.

Now I will pick my LM: I select LM Stewart Downing from Middles.

For my next pick I'll go with Shaun Wright-Phillips

For my next pick I'll go with Shaun Wright-Phillips

It was either him or van Persie with our last pick.

Beli is up..

I select Wigan's F Henri Camara . :)

Olof Mellberg, Aston Villa..

I'm drafting for Evilo per his PM that he sent me:

Evilo's next two picks are Mikel Arteta and Emmanuel Eboue

1- Arteta
2- Eboue

PK's up again, and get ready OS/Bakos because PK will go right away. :)

Emmanuel Eboue

I like him. It'll be interesting to see what Wenger does with him and another guy on that squad next season.

I can't believe Owen fell so far. He's had injury problems this year, but still scored 7 goals in 10 league starts and 13 goals in 10 La Liga starts for Madrid. He's overrated, but still a very good player.

Del Horno I'm a little iffy on, probably a couple guys I like better.

Camara probably would have dropped, but I like him, a good exciting player who can both create and finish.

I really don't understand the Mellberg pick, I didn't expect him to be drafted at all to be honest. I can literally think of 10 guys who I would much rather have and that's just off the top of my head, sorry if that's too critical.

Brdige is a pretty good pick, once again, a couple guys who I might rather have, but I like him better than Del Horno to be honest.

I like both the Arteta and Eboue picks, I was wondering how late Arteta would fall, he would stand out on a bigger team and I'm surprised that a bigger team hasn't made a move for him yet. Eboue is already establishing himself as one of the best RBs in the league, good pick.

Silva I'm iffy on again. His form was terrible earlier in the year, but once the knockout stages in the Champions League started, he began to play well. However, there is one guy for sure that I would take over him.

LH, if I know the guy you're talking about, there has been some talk lately of putting him at DM.

EDIT: Forgot to say that I liked the Downing pick, his position doesn't have a lot of depth, if he had stayed healthy this year, he might have been in the running to make the England squad. I also like the SWP pick.

EDIT2: Didn't know that Downing made the England squad, I was under the impression that he wouldn't, good pick by Sven.