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helicecopter 04-20-2006, 11:29 AM Ok, i thought i would create this one to keep together the upcoming discussions on this matter; the debate about the French national team in the European leagues thread suggested it. Could be a nice start to bring here that discussion.
As the thread's title hints, you can write here the roster you would select for your country (or for another one) and/or the one that you-think/is indeed selected (please specifing which one you are writing about).
As the Cup's start will be approaching the discussion will go down to the lineups, but i guess it could begin already for that topic as well.
Maybe too meat in only one thread :rolleyes: but i thought one place is at least better than none. :)
note: i would have waited to start this one cause it looks to me there could be a conflict with the ongoing drafts, but the discussion started none the less so..
Personally i'd rather keeping my opinions on the Italian roster for myself until the Italian draft is behind :p: , but that's just me. ;)
Hellström 04-20-2006, 11:40 AM Personally i'd rather keeping my opinions on the Italian roster for myself until the Italian draft is behind :p: , but that's just me. ;)
Agreed - same for the german roster here :)
Evilo 04-20-2006, 12:36 PM My dream lineup (will never happen though) :
--------Coupet---------
Sagnol--Thuram--Gallas--Abidal
-----Vieira----Makelele-----
--Ribéry---------------Zidane--
-----Trézéguet----Henry------
Ajacied 04-20-2006, 12:44 PM Found an old post of mine, had to alter a few things but most info is still outdated.
Holland is in a rebuild phrase. They have a huge amount of talent, now it's up to Marco van Basten to see who's ready and to see which veterans still have it. My roster would look as followed:
Goalkeepers:
- Edwin van der Sar (Manchester United); One of the best keepers in the world for the past decade. Captain and approaching the record of 112 internationals set by Frank de Boer. Our MVP..
- Henk Timmer (AZ); Comparable to Coupét in France. Played his entire career in his native country, helped his team reach the top and is mighty, mighty underrated outside of the Ere Divisie. Very experienced and reliable and the best goalkeeper in the Ere Divisie for consecutive years now.
- Maarten Stekelenburg (Ajax); Young goalie who might be our starter when the two mentioned above are calling it quits. Tall, athletic, likes to play allong and just impossible to beat at times. The more thrown at him the better he gets, but the exact opposite also fits him. Started off inconsistent, but has been Ajax' best player as of late. Good keeper, will gain experience.
Just missing the cut:
- Ronald Waterreus (Glascow Rangers); Enjoyed an outstanding season in as well the Scottish Premier League as the Champions League. Great leadership and well liked guy, but since the 3rd string goalie is highly unlikely to see any minutes, I'll bring Stekelenburg so he can gain experience and not be completely green behind the ears when (potentially) starts for us in 2008.
Left backs:
- Gio (Barçelona); An attacking back who reads the game well. Knows when to rush along and when to stay behind. Makes saves plays in his own end. He's been a reliable defender for Barçelona now for quite a few years now, very sound positionally. He's played in the most CL games out of any other Barça player..
- Urby Emanuelson (Ajax); Only 19 years old, but an Ajax product, so you know he's got potential. I haven't seen a defender with so much offensive skill in quite a while. While he too likes to join in on the attack, Emanuelson is a much, much more creative player and is willing to take the necessarey risks. Feisty, fast and accurate defensively. Gio has the boat load experience advantage, and 'many's time will come, but if would be awesome if he would start.
Not picked:
- Tim de Cler (AZ); Finished first among defenders (3rd in general) in the Golden Boot awards in the Ere Divisie. Very smart, savy player who's good both defensively as offensively, but I think Urby brings more to the table in terms of being a game-decisive factor.
- Theo Lucius (PSV); Has proven to stand his own vs the toughest competition in the world (CL) and he would've been a near lock in 2004/2005, but he's been in Hiddink's doghouse for much of the entire season. He's having trouble redeeming himself, wouldn't be smart to take him along with us.
Central backs:
- Joris Mathijssen (AZ); The purest defensive back you'll ever find who I bet is still quite unknown outside of Holland. Very boring and uninteresting with the ball.. I always take a pee-break or go out and grab a quick snack whenever it appears he's receiving the ball. He never does anything with it instead of tapping it sideways, very "unDutch" like. Said to have an outstanding long pass and a great shot but I haven't seen it yet. However, for all his on the ball boringness, he's the exact opposite without it. He sticks to his opponent like a bee to his honey. He's the legal version of Marco Materazzi. First central back who made Huntelaar look like a 12 year old schoolgirl this season. Real Madrid would be smart signing him before they get competition.
- Khalid Boulahrouz (Hamburg); Stud for Hamburg SV, he's build like a tank, but might very be among the fastest central backs in the world. He eats his opponents.. Hence the nickname "the Canibal".. He is Stams' replacement, plain and simple. Rumored to join Internazionale after this season.
- Arjen de Zeeuw (Wigan Athletic); Captain of cinderella Wigan Athletic. Tony Blair is a huge fan of his and so am I. Old time player, gets the job done, is experienced and a leader on the field. He's playing like the game is meant to be played.
- John Heitinga (Ajax); Stam (yeah again!) once predicted Heitinga would be world's top defender someday. Since then he's taken a little dip, but at 21 he can easily come out of it and contribute increasingly. Progression seems to have stalled, but even then, he's been one of the better defenders in the Ere Divisie. Needs a transfer ala van der Vaart and de Jong in order to continue his progression. Can play RB as well, making him more usefull.
Right backs:
- André Ooier (PSV); People often think about Alex first when they think about a PSV defender, but Andre Ooier is probably the best defender they've had in years. I think he's been the top defender in the Ere Divisie so far, and raises his game in the Champions League. Flawless defensively, superb header and dangerous with the ball as he leads all defenders in assists.
- Jan Kromkamp (Liverpool); AZ, Villareal and now Liverpool within a year. Offensive back can be a great contributor but needs to settle in first. Great cross, is fast and makes accurate and save tackles. Tad inconsistent though and like some others, has confidence issues..
Not picked:
- Ron Vlaar (Feyenoord); 19 Year old youngster has a boat load of potential. He's got everything what it takes to be our next Jaap Stam. Also built strongly and a beast in the air. Has been struggling with confidence this year,
- Barry Opdam (AZ); Veteran can be oh-so reliable, but competition is stiff.
- Kew Jaliens (AZ); A van Basten favorite, but I dislike him. Just a very all-round, but average back.
Not available:
- Jaap Stam
8 Defenders should be enough. Our rediculous depth lays at midfield so we have to cut back on other positions.
Neutral/defensive midfielders:
- Phillip Cocu (PSV); The MVP of PSV has been a leader wherever he played, PSV, Barçelona or for Holland, he was a captain for either team and did it excellent. One of the most underrated players in the world, but I think, well Holland thinks he's a top midfielder in the game. I'm being completely honest when I'm saying how we'd be nowehere without him. Co-Captain with van der Sar, can play *ALL* positions except in net, and even that I'd think he's capable off.
- Hedwiges Maduro (Ajax); 19 years old, Ajax product, Chelsea/Barça/Juventus/Milan/United are after him. Already was a full time international regular at the age of 18, so that tells alot about his potential. Might very well become the top defensive midfielder some day, he's already very high on the list. Plays a very neutral game, knows when to slow things down and speed things up, killer shot, great dribble, doesn't turns it over.
- Mark van Bommel (Barçelona); An all-round pest. Knows what to do in order to win the game, does all the little things well. Dirty player, but hard nosed and a winner. Playing for Barçelona right now, but there's rumors Bayern wants him to be Ballack's replacements. Something he's capable of..
- Edgar Davids (Tottenham); the pitbull. Still one of the most hard nosed and fierced ball hunters in the world. One of the leaders on this team, IMO we ain't going nowhere without him.
Not picked:
- Danny Landzaat (AZ); Van Basten feels he's the top RM Holland has to offer, but I beg to differ. Landzaat probbaly makes the least errors on this team, can really prevent the other team from gelling and on top of it seems to have a Bergkamp-esque feeling when it comes to goals. They're all beauties. However, it's hard to argue with anyone of the above and I think we could need Davids more in hard nosed games, as Landzaat is a rather soft (but sneaky) player..
- George Boateng (Middlesbrough); Great for Middlesbrough, perhaps even their MVP. Might join AC Milan next season, but he just seems to have trouble in Oranje, even though he's gotten only a few chances. Could very well be the top defensive midfielder we have, but his offense is non excisiting.
- Ismael Aissati (PSV); Too young, but so tempting to bring along. He might already be one of the strongest on the ball midfielders in the world. Extremely safe..
- Theo Janssen (Vitesse); The player known for his huge 'behind'. He's extremely strong and firm on his feet. Too big of a player for Vitesse, but he's very comitted to the city (Arnhem) and isn't willing t get out. Strong on the ball, powerful shot, a pain to play against but very, very slow.
Offensive midfielders:
- Wesley Sneijder (Ajax); Great talent. Fast with the ball, makes quick decisions, hard to guard and has one of the better sets of feet in soccer.
- Rafael van der Vaart (Hamburg); IMO one of the top midfielders in the game and one of the top players in the game in general. This supposed "best product out of the Netherlands since van Basten himself" has been amazing for Hamburg this year, and he's only 22. Few are as creative and exciting to watch. He won't play for Hamburg much longer. We need him and Sneijder to reach our strikers.. Very crucial to our succes.
- Clarence Seedorf (AC Milan); Seedorf is a hard player to read. A worldclass club-player, being one of the better midfielders in the game, but it's a different story in Oranje, where he seems to have an ego. He'd be a starter if he would just play for the team and do what he's supposed to do. Either way, too much talent and experience not to bring along. I'm taking the risk of ruining some of the team's atmosphere.
Not picked:
- Nigel de Jong (Hamburg); Not his season and of lesser importance now that he's comitted himself to midfield. Used to play RB as well and doing it great.
- Ibrahim Afellay (PSV); Major talent, but isn't going to beat any of the above.
- Jonathan de Guzman (Feyenoord); See Afellay.
Wingers:
- Arjen Robben (Chelsea); Lock, no one creates more danger and more effectiveness than Robben on this squad. He's the best winger in the world and can play at a level few can keep up with. Awesome diver and whiner as well..
- Robin van Persie (Arsenal); More an offensive midfielder than a winger, but he'll probably be used more on the wing anyhow. Highly techniquelly gifted, fast and a great pace. The reason he clicks with Henry so much is that he can keep up with him. He's a lot like him. Very young, but a lock.
- Salomon Kalou (Feyenoord); 20 year old winger/striker is awaiting his Dutch passport (Ivory Coast of origin, just like Bonaventure Kalou (Feyenoord and PSG), who he then might face on the WC). Van Basten compares him to Robben, and when in shape, I have a tough time deciding who I'd rather have. Sick winger and if he is eligble to join the squad, our wingers are pretty darn fast and dangerous.
- Romeo Castelen (Feyenoord); good luck finding a faster player than Romeo. He's like Martins without the strong legs. Gifted player, enjoyable to watch and an easy scorer. His goals are often very sweet.
Not picked:
- Nicky Hofs (Feyenoord); Fast competitive player. Provides good passing and hard work, but I doubt if he could handle a high international level. Unproven and untested but a good player.
- Andy van der Meyde (Internazionale); Skilled winger who simply can't manage to impress once he puts on the orange jersey. Why take the risk.. not going.
- Daniël de Ridder (Celta de Vigo); Utterly gifted winger. Finds him self starting for the number 5th in the Primiera Division quite often this year. Great touch.. Inconsistent.
Strikers:
- Dirk Kuijt (Feyenoord); Hard working striker is always an option to pass it to. Utterly strong on the ball, scores and assists easily. English teams are fighting for him and his €18 mill pricetag, but there's a good chance he might stay with Feyenoord forever.
- Ruud van Nistelrooy (Manchester United); Leading striker in the Premiership, 150 goals in 200 games, about 25 in 49 goals for Oranje, I don't think there's anyone else who finishes as Ruud van Nistelrooy. A top 5 striker like him is ofcourse, a lock.
- Klaas-Jan Huntelaar (Ajax); The new sensation up front. Leads the Ere Divisie in goals and is the first Ajax striker to score 4 goals in a game since Marco van Basten. He has a little bit of both Kuijt and Ruud in him. Very all-round, very dangerous.. Still only 22..
- Roy Makaay (Bayern Munchen); A top 10 striker when in shape, Makaay is a dangerous player who can come out of nowhere to decide the game. Can score on so many ways and is probably the hardest one to defend out of these 4.
Not picked:
- Patrick Kluivert (Valencia); Oh how I'd like to bring him along. But his injury riddled season makes it impossible even for me.
- Jerrel Hasselbaink (Middelsbrough); Past his prime, but still a tank. He just runs over people. Has been of major value for Middelsbrough this year, with 14 goals.
- Ryan Babel (Ajax); Extremely talented but hasn't been getting playing time since the arrival of both Huntelaar and Rosenberg, or even Charisteas. Future starting striker, will get his time..
- Collins John (Fullham); I see him as a mix of Rooney and Hasselbaink. Feisty, physical player, hard shot, scores easily. Fullham's leading scorer with 10, and he's barely 20 years old.
- Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink (PSV); Amazing header. Just cross it in and Vennegoor will find a way to hit it on target. Strong and physical but no much else. Would be used as a pinchhitter, something he can do just great, but I'm going with skill for my strikers, even my 4th.
- Pierre van Hooijdonk (Feyenoord); See Vennegoor. Though Pierre is more experienced and has a special talent (free-kicks). Best sub in Holland history, but he's past his prime..
Not available:
- Dennis Bergkamp
------------------------------------ Ruud van Nistelrooy ------------------------------------
- Arjen Robben ----------------------------------------------- Robin van Persie --------------
----------------------------- Rafael van der Vaart -------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------- Philip Cocu--------------------------------
---------------------- Edgar Davids ----------------------------------------------------------
--- Gio ----------------------------------------------------------------------- André Ooier ---
------------------------- Khalid Boulahrouz - Joris Mathijsen -----------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------- Edwin van der Sar -----------------------------------------
Heh, they'd probably get a good challenge out of the non starters/non-available players:
-------------------------------------- Roy Makaay ------------------------------------------
-- Salomon Kalou ------------------------------------------- Dennis Bergkamp ---------------
------------------------------ Wesley Sneijder ----------------------------------------------
------------------- Mark van Bommel ------------------- Clarence Seedorf --------------------
-- Urby Emanuelson --------------------------------------------------------- Jan Kromkamp --
------------------------------- Jaap Stam - Arjan de Zeeuw ----------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------- Henk Timmer -------------------------------------------
helicecopter 04-20-2006, 12:58 PM Nice work Ott.
Van der Meyde doesn't play for Inter anymore though. :)
mmh, maybe that's what you meant with
"Found an old post of mine, had to alter a few things but most info is still outdated" ?
England's squad, without much of a doubt, will be
Paul Robinson
David James
Robert Green
Gary Neville
Jamie Carragher
John Terry
Rio Ferdinand
Ledley King (Sol Campbell if Ledley doesn't make it, he has a broken foot atm)
Wes Brown
Ashley Cole
Wayne Bridge
David Beckham (capt)
Joe Cole
Steven Gerrard
Frank Lampard
Owen Hargreaves
Shaun Wright-Phillips
Michael Carrick
Michael Owen
Wayne Rooney
Peter Crouch
Darren Bent
Jermain Defoe
Just missing out, first choices to come in for injury:
Kieran Richardson, Jermaine Jenas, Paul Konchesky, Luke Young.
4-4-2 formation
Robinson
Neville
Terry
Ferdinand
Cole
Gerrard
Lampard
Beckham
Cole
Rooney
Owen
If anyone wants me to go into detail on these guys I can, I just figured most are high profile enough for most people to know enough about them, but if there's any stuff, ask.
helicecopter 04-20-2006, 01:42 PM If anyone wants me to go into detail on these guys I can, I just figured most are high profile enough for most people to know enough about them, but if there's any stuff, ask.My question is:
This seems to be the rosters that you think will be selected.. but what would you personally change? Anything?
Roughneck 04-20-2006, 02:33 PM - Jonathan de Guzman (Feyenoord); See Afellay.
I haven't been following his situation lately, but has he officially pledged his future to Holland or is there still the chance (however remote it might be) that he'll decide to play for Canada and give the national team the slimmest glimmer of hope for the future?
My question is:
This seems to be the rosters that you think will be selected.. but what would you personally change? Anything?
It's hard really because there's not a lot we can improve upon in terms of personnel in the starting team. The problem we have is Lampard and Gerrard in the middle really hasn't worked because neither are naturally defensive. We've played considerably better when King has been the DMC and one of the other two headed the diamond. If King's out, Hargreaves can play that role, but a lot of people over here REALLY don't rate/like him because all they've seen of him is Eriksson's misuse of him in a utility role.
In terms of guys coming into the squad, it'd be more for after the World Cup, when it appears Steve McLaren will take over :shakehead . The likes of Kevin Nolan, Joey Barton, Dean Ashton, Aaron Lennon, Anton Ferdinand, Nigel Reo-Coker are good players who, if they develop on the right track, should push for spots in the next twelve months, but the core of the squad right now is young and most are playing at the top level of club football, so it's harder for them. None of them should go to the World Cup, although if there's injuries up front I'd not be averse to selecting Ashton, he's got size, strength, power, a bit of pace, and is in fine scoring form. He'd worry a few, and would be a near completely unknown commodity to opposition scouting teams.
Goalkeeper is a problem position because outside Robinson there's no competition. James is a capable backup and a decent starter if needed, Green is still playing outside the top flight, and I don't really like him. Kirkland is ever injured, Carson is 3rd choice at Liverpool and has been out on loan outside of the top flight, which leaves the younger guys, who are also outside the top flight right now (Lee Camp is a standout) since there's next to nobody of note in the Premiership. Basically, if Robinson gets hurt, we're in trouble.
Portugal squad should have some interesting picks, here is how I think will make it
Goalie
Sporting Lisbon's Ricardo will most likely be the national team keeper. Who the second goalkeeper will be is a mystery,Scolari likes Benfica's Quim but many in the media are presuuring for Porto keeper and national team vet Vitor Baia to be included in the squad but Scolari has never called him up to play since he took over the national team so that is a long shot at best.
Defence
The Defence will be a much different from that of Euro 2004 due to injuries. Deporto La Coruna CB Jorge Andrade and Everton WB Nuno Valente both went down with injuries and are more then likely to miss the World Cup. Who will replace them is a real mystery, top candidates include Stuggart's Fernando Meira and Sporting Lisbon's Marco Caneira. Other candidates include Valencia's Miguel, Porto's Pedro Emanuel and Benfica's Nelson though he had a tough second half of the season. The stalwart's on Portugal's defence will be a couple of Chelsea defenders Ricardo Carvalho and Paulo Ferreira
Midfield
In the midfield, Chelsea's Maniche will definetely be on the team along with Benfica's Petit .The general of the midfield will be Barcelona's Deco the talented playmaker makes all around him better and is a threat every time he touches the ball. The rest of the spots are up for grabs and candidates include Lyon's Tiago , Costinha(formerly of Dynamo Moscovo). One candidate that was not on the radar was Portsmouth's Pedro Mendes but his superb play may earn him a spot on the team ahead of Costinha who currently is not playing and was in poor form all year
Wingers
Led by Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo and Inter Milan's Luis Figo it is definetly Portugal's strongest position. The main battle for the third winger spot will come from Porto's Ricardo Quaresma and Benfica's Simao Sabrosa . Quaresma who compares favourably to Cristiano Ronaldo in skill level has quite possibly been the Portuguese Superliga's best player though he has had a few rough weeks especially due to his bad temperment and harsh fouls. This may keep him off the national team because he must mature emotionally and control himself in certain situations, he also may represent Portugal at the Under 21 championship which may effect his WC status. Sabrosa has been a dissappointment for Benfica this yera besides some marvelous goals in the champions league, he most likely will not be back with Benfica next year. Fulham's Luis Boa Morte has been a splendid suprise this year and should make the team due to a lack of quality forwards on the team
Forwards
PSG's Pedro Pauleta will be without a doubt the starting forward for the team, the problem with Pauleta is that he seemingly disappears for big games and does much of his scoring against much weaker teams.He scored no goals in Euro 2004, but has been very strong for PSG this year, hopefully this transists into WC success. After Pauleta their really are no proven strikers, Helder Postiga seemingly always comes up big for the national team but has little club sucess, spending much of the year on Porto's B team squad after being demoted by Co Adrianesse. Scolari seems to like him, so expect him there. The long shot to make the team at forward is Porto's Hugo Almeida who started off the year very strong but due to the re-emergence of Benni Mccarthy on the first team squad and the transfer of Corthinhas F Adriano, his playing time was cut and barely played in the second half of the season.
Starting 11 in my opinion
G Ricardo
WB Paulo Ferreira
CB Ricardo Carvalho
CB Fernado Meira
WB Marco Caneira
M Maniche
M Petit
M Deco
LF Cristiano Ronaldo
RF Luis Figo
F Pauleta
Gwyddbwyll 04-21-2006, 08:53 AM I'm hoping England doesnt take 5 strikers. They need to decide beforehand who they want out of Defoe/Bent. I'd personally favor Defoe who has a sharper cutting edge. Bent is a better all-around player but is more likely to miss chances.
The spot should be handed to one of Lennon / Downing / Richardson. All three are highly promising players and could come of age in the tournament. I'd personally choose Lennon - very young and small but a fantastic player. Downing and Richardson are real attacking LW options. I'd be annoyed if neither goes because despite his form, Joe Cole is still only a band-aid. We're very very likely to have to substitute him at some point and we have nobody off the bench.
I'd opt for Carragher to be G Neville's deputy and drop Wes Brown in order to take another creative midfielder. I'd also argue against taking Ledley King because in midfield we have Hargreaves, Carrick and Carragher all capable of playing the destroyer, we dont need him. Campbell is a scary pick but one of the most experienced players in the world. He has been there and done it all.
G - Robinson, James, Green
D - G Neville, Terry, Ferdinand, A Cole, Bridge, Carragher, Campbell
M - Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard, J Cole
Wright-Phillips, Hargreaves, Carrick, Lennon, Richardson
F - Rooney, Owen, Crouch, Defoe
I'd definately be in favour of taking Downing on the left...perhaps over Richardson, though it'd just be nice ot have any naturally left-footed left winger
Evilo 04-21-2006, 10:00 AM Helder Postiga seemingly always comes up big for the national team but has little club sucess, spending much of the year on Porto's B team squad after being demoted by Co Adrianesse. Scolari seems tol ike him, so expect him there.
Erh, Postiga is the starting striker for St Etienne.
DevilFisch 04-21-2006, 10:15 AM For the United States National Men's Team I hope this will be the lineup. I'm assuming a 4-4-2 formation, though the players are not in their proper positions (i.e. Gibbs would be a center-back, Cherundolo would line up at right back, etc.).
GK: Kasey Keller (Backups: Tim Howard, Marcus Hahnemann)
Defence: Oguchi Onyewu, Cory Gibbs, Steve Cherundolo, Eddie Lewis (who can play midfield) (Backups: Carlos Bocanegra, Frankie Hejduk, Eddie Pope)
Midfield: Claudio Reyna (if healthy), Bobby Convey, Clint Dempsey, Pablo Mastreoni (Backups: DaMarcus Beasley - though he could easily be a starter, John O'Brian (if healthy), Kerry Zavagnin)
Forward: Brian McBride, Landon Donovan (Backups: Eddie Johnson, Taylor Twellman)
I'm sorry if I went over 23 players or forgot anyone.
Feenom 04-21-2006, 10:31 AM Starting 11 in my opinion
G Ricardo
WB Paulo Ferreira
CB Ricardo Carvalho
CB Fernado Meira
WB Marco Caneira
M Maniche
M Petit
M Deco
LF Cristiano Ronaldo
RF Luis Figo
F Pauleta
Ricardo/Quim
Ferreira
Carvalho
Meira
Miguel
Maniche
Petit (like to see Tiago give it a go)
Deco
Ronaldo
Figo/Simao
Paulet/Postiga
wow. i wish portugal had a goalie i trusted. Ricardo, Quim, Morreira, Baia....maybe France can loan us there 4th/5th/6th stringer
Andrade out means we lose a lot of athleticism in the back. Meira isnt a huge step down, but from what i hear is used in many roles at Stuggart.
Nelson was plaing so good in 1st half i thought he'd be on team, contending to start, but he has slowed. I don't know how Miguel has done for Valencia (if a Primiera follower can fill me in, les Habs) but i suppose caneria can do a decent job at LB.
I like Tiago a lot and would love to see him play a large role, and maybe take over for either maniche or petit. Fernedes is also a favourite of mine, and might be a better pure holding midfielder than Tiago.
Queresma has issues, but is very talented. so maybe worth taking.
Hugo Viana and Helder Postiga like to be chosen by Scolari so wouldnt be suprised to see thme. Postiga i think is playing ok for St. Etienne and Viana plays for Valencia reserves i think, but both play well for Portugal.
I'd like to see
Ricardo
Ferreira/Miguel Carvalho Meria Ferreira/Careira (Miguel selection based on form)
Tiago Fernendes Deco
Figo Pauleta Ronaldo
Erh, Postiga is the starting striker for St Etienne.
Well I have not seen him much since he was loaned to them but he was on Porto B after the fourth week of the season and was only loaned in late December/January, and St Etienne have the option to keep him if they choose for a certain dollar amount.
HajdukSplit 04-21-2006, 07:46 PM Croatia 3-4-1-2 (the only team in the WC using 3 defenders) starting lineup and probable 12 other players in the squad
Butina
Tomas - R. Kovac - Simunic
Srna - N. Kovac - Tudor - Babic
Kranjcar
Prso - Klasnic
SUBS: Pletikosa, Tokic, Modric, Vranjes, Olic, Balaban, J. Leko, Seric, I. Leko, Buljat, Didulica/Turina (as the #3 GK) Simic
Players Who Have an Outside Chance
Vugrinec, Bosnjak, Da Silva, Bazina, Pranjic, Petric, Krizanac, Corluka, Drpic and Banovic
Croatia 3-4-1-2 (the only team in the WC using 3 defenders) starting lineup and probable 12 other players in the squad
Butina
Tomas - R. Kovac - Simunic
Srna - N. Kovac - Tudor - Babic
Kranjcar
Prso - Klasnic
SUBS: Pletikosa, Tokic, Modric, Vranjes, Olic, Balaban, J. Leko, Seric, I. Leko, Buljat, Didulica/Turina (as the #3 GK) Simic
Players Who Have an Outside Chance
Vugrinec, Bosnjak, Da Silva, Bazina, Pranjic, Petric, Krizanac, Corluka, Drpic and Banovic
;) No Sokota? :biglaugh: He was garbage for Porto this year and the best thing that happened to us was him tearing his leg, I never like to poke fun of players but man he was to terrible :shakehead
Dolemite 04-21-2006, 08:17 PM - Edgar Davids (Tottenham); the pitbull. Still one of the most hard nosed and fierced ball hunters in the world. One of the leaders on this team, IMO we ain't going nowhere without him.
:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
Has Bergkamp retired from international competition?
I've been cheering Holland since the World Cup in France and they're my favorite to win it all.
Hup Holland Hup!
vitogor 04-22-2006, 12:57 AM My dream lineup for Ukraine:
Sheva
Sheva-Sheva-Sheva-Sheva
Sheva-Sheva-Sheva-Sheva
Sheva-Sheva
What's that? Human cloning hasn't been done yet? Ok, never mind then.
*sigh*
Well, it's not really THAT bad, there are a few bright spots on the roster, but this team will only go as far as Shevchenko can singlehandedly take them.
Ajacied 04-22-2006, 01:42 AM :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
Has Bergkamp retired from international competition?
I've been cheering Holland since the World Cup in France and they're my favorite to win it all.
Hup Holland Hup!
Bergkamp and Stam are retired from international soccer for a while now.
Good to know our supportingcasts is so spread out over the world.
Dolemite 04-22-2006, 01:52 AM Bergkamp and Stam are retired from international soccer for a while now.
Good to know our supportingcasts is so spread out over the world.
I changed my avatar just now for the World Cup!
Hard core oranje fan here in Southern California.
You have never been to a party until you have been to Amsterdam after Holland Wins a World Cup Game.
I've been in downtown Vancouver after the Canucks/Blues playoff series a few seasons ago and the streets were gridlocked everywhere. This is NOTHING compared to the Streets of Amsterdam after Holland wins a World Cup game. I never had so much fun in my entire life. Nor have I been to a party like this before or since.
Ajacied 04-22-2006, 02:02 AM I changed my avatar just now for the World Cup!
Hard core oranje fan here in Southern California.
You have never been to a party until you have been to Amsterdam after Holland Wins a World Cup Game.
I've been in downtown Vancouver after the Canucks/Blues playoff series a few seasons ago and the streets were gridlocked everywhere. This is NOTHING compared to the Streets of Amsterdam after Holland wins a World Cup game. I never had so much fun in my entire life. Nor have I been to a party like this before or since.
It's not just Amsterdam though.. Even the smallest villages are completely orange. There are no fights, no riots, everyone is just getting along and bussy congratulating eachother.
http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00036/oranje_legioen_1_met_36118h.jpg
But all this is just one mere victory.. Imagine when we actually win the whole thing.
And PK: Glad to have you aboard.. And VdV will start so don't you worry.. ;)
Dolemite 04-22-2006, 02:04 AM It's not just Amsterdam though.. Even the smallest villages are completely orange. There are no fights, no riots, everyone is just getting along and bussy congratulating eachother.
http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00036/oranje_legioen_1_met_36118h.jpg
That's how I remember the parties. I arrived in Haarlem by train during a world cup game and was totally amazed by how there was no one anywhere to be found. None of the classic pickpockets in the Amsterdam stations. Nobody to be found....I mean nobody. But once Holland won the game that day....man oh man what a party.
My dream lineup for Ukraine:
Sheva
Sheva-Sheva-Sheva-Sheva
Sheva-Sheva-Sheva-Sheva
Sheva-Sheva
What's that? Human cloning hasn't been done yet? Ok, never mind then.
*sigh*
Well, it's not really THAT bad, there are a few bright spots on the roster, but this team will only go as far as Shevchenko can singlehandedly take them.
Sheva is the main man, but we have other class players..
- Shovkovsky is hands down our keeper
- Rusol, Tymoschuk, Nesmachniy are a pretty good defensive group
- The midfield has a good mix of young and veterans, Husev and Husiev
- Shevchenko has some support from Bayer Leverkusen striker Andrei Voronin
- Sergei Rebrov, yes I said it.. Sergei Rebrov is on fire in Ukraine with Dynamo Kiev and will garner a lot of attention for a spot on the roster
My anger over the de Guzman situation has passed, so I think I'll be cheering for the Dutch this summer, as usual. VDV better play though. :propeller
Would you have chosen to play for Canada over Holland? Im pretty sure no one would if given the oppurtunity. A bench warmer on the holland team is better then being a starter for Canada who only have a handful of guys who are in any good. In my opinion only Stalteri, Rosario and Radzinski are any good. I do miss the best name in Canadian soccer history: Paul Peschosolidio!!!!!!!!!
Meh, if England are out, I want the Dutch to well...always seem like (well, are) perennial underachievers, much like England
Roughneck 04-24-2006, 07:52 AM Would you have chosen to play for Canada over Holland? Im pretty sure no one would if given the oppurtunity. A bench warmer on the holland team is better then being a starter for Canada who only have a handful of guys who are in any good. In my opinion only Stalteri, Rosario and Radzinski are any good. I do miss the best name in Canadian soccer history: Paul Peschosolidio!!!!!!!!!
The argument always is that Canada can't become any better if their best players keep playing for other countries. Adding Hargreaves and De Guzman (to play with the other De Guzman) would give Canada one of the best midfields in CONCACAF, but since they leave, Canada can't advance, and thus the stars don't want to play for them. Addign more high calibre players would also attract more high profile games as well. My opinions pretty much reflect PKs to the word, so saying everything else would be pretty redundant.
Ajacied 04-24-2006, 09:33 AM Ok, this sucks. 3 (former) Ajax products are currently injured and awaiting surgery (de Jong, van der Vaart and Maduro). Van der Vaart and Maduro are starters and crucial to our succes. Their WC chances are in jeopardy and so are ours..
On a bride side, maybe van Basten will select an extra striker this way (Makaay) and replace one of the injured with Seedorf.
MartinFr 04-24-2006, 10:30 AM Sweden WC 2006
-------------------Isaksson---------------------
Östlund-----Lukic--Mellberg-----Edman
-----------------Linderoth-----------------------
---Wilhelmsson-Källström-Ljungberg---------
------------------Larsson------------------------
-----------Zlatan Ibrahimovic--------------
Something like that I suppose. The central defenders + Linderoth looks good but I'm very unsure about Östlund and Edman.. :/
Wilhelmsson-Källström-Ljungberg looks good imo. Don't know much about Wilhelmssons season but Källström has been excellent this year in Rennes from what I've heard. Ljungberg, well...not a very good season goalwhise in Arsenal but I have full faith in him.
Alexandersson might be a better fit instead of Wilhelmsson..
Larsson and Ibrahimovic...well, both are excellent in the National Team, I really hope that Ibra can start score in Juventus aswell to gain some confidence!
Please tell me if you want some changes: )
J17 Vs Proclamation 04-24-2006, 11:47 AM I'm hoping England doesnt take 5 strikers. They need to decide beforehand who they want out of Defoe/Bent. I'd personally favor Defoe who has a sharper cutting edge. Bent is a better all-around player but is more likely to miss chances.
The spot should be handed to one of Lennon / Downing / Richardson. All three are highly promising players and could come of age in the tournament. I'd personally choose Lennon - very young and small but a fantastic player. Downing and Richardson are real attacking LW options. I'd be annoyed if neither goes because despite his form, Joe Cole is still only a band-aid. We're very very likely to have to substitute him at some point and we have nobody off the bench.
I'd opt for Carragher to be G Neville's deputy and drop Wes Brown in order to take another creative midfielder. I'd also argue against taking Ledley King because in midfield we have Hargreaves, Carrick and Carragher all capable of playing the destroyer, we dont need him. Campbell is a scary pick but one of the most experienced players in the world. He has been there and done it all.
G - Robinson, James, Green
D - G Neville, Terry, Ferdinand, A Cole, Bridge, Carragher, Campbell
M - Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard, J Cole
Wright-Phillips, Hargreaves, Carrick, Lennon, Richardson
F - Rooney, Owen, Crouch, Defoe
Why does Hargreaves even get a look in? I mean i haven't seen him that much, but everytime i do watch him, he never impresses me. I'd much rather give one of the younger guys a chance.
I'd much rather have King than Hargreaves. King is versatile, and he plays well for the england everytime.
Lennon wont go, but man people better watch out for him soon. He caused havoc against Arsenal, and would be more suited by international football rather than english football as it is less physical.
I might take Bent over Defoe. Defoe is the better skilled of the two, but Bent is one of the most cynical finishers in the premiership right now. Defoe has had a below par season IMO.
The guy who we will rely on is Rooney. All the talk is about Owen and his injury, but to be honest Rooney is the first name of the team sheet.
FlyHigh 04-24-2006, 10:11 PM Why is Neville playing ahead of Carragher?
WHY???
Because as much as everyone hates to admit it, Neville is one of the best RBs in the world.
Evilo 04-25-2006, 01:43 AM Are you seriours or you're kidding? Sorry sarcasm isn't always easy to detect...
I don't think he's kidding, because I'm of the same opinion. When you consider both the relative lack of depth in quality right backs in football and the longevity Neville's shown at the very highest levels, you can't really argue with it.
Carragher's a dreadful right back, leave him in the middle where he's good (but nowhere near as good as the Liverpool loving media will have you believe).
FlyHigh 04-25-2006, 04:30 AM Are you seriours or you're kidding? Sorry sarcasm isn't always easy to detect...
I'm completely serious. Neville is very good at joining the attack and while he's not the greatest defensively, he's very solid and probably better than most right backs.
I don't like the guy, but given the current lack of top right backs in the world, he qualifies as world class in my book.
Evilo 04-25-2006, 06:28 AM Where would you rank him among the best RB in the world?
Compared to Sagnol, Cafu, Zambrotta (can play both sides), Eboue, Ferreira, Zanetti, Jankulovsky, Cicinho, Trabelsi, Zorro, Mensah (can play both sides) Kronkamp, Reveillere, Clerc, Eduardo, Paulo Cesar, etc...?
helicecopter 04-25-2006, 07:10 AM Jankulovsky..Can NOT play on both sides (only as a LB).
However I have an hard time as well considering Neville one of the best RBs in the world.
Evilo 04-25-2006, 07:16 AM I'm 99% certain that Jankulovsky plays RB with Czech Republic (though I do know he doesn't play there in Italy).
Evilo 04-25-2006, 07:17 AM BTW, so says this document :
http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/INFOGRAPHIE_RTC_06.html
helicecopter 04-25-2006, 07:36 AM Didn't know/remember that.. anyway, wherever he played with the national team, it sounds like a stretch considering him as a rightback.. otherwise i think almost any leftback can be considered for that position as well.
(link doesn't work for me, after i clean the popups' message he still shows me nothing inside the page.
edit: finally the page showed up, and it's even more weird considering they have Ujfalusi at LB.. both have never played in such positions in Italy. Ujfalusi is used as RB most times, or as CB).
Evilo 04-25-2006, 07:39 AM Weird, works fine with me.
Belizarius 04-25-2006, 12:46 PM RC Lens official site just announced Charles Itandje will be at the Tignes training camp as France 4th goalkeeper. Itandje is very happy obviously and said he'll be ready if one the top-3 (Barthez, Coupet, Landreau) is out (injury or deception if Barthez doesn't want to be #2...)
Evilo 04-25-2006, 12:55 PM RC Lens official site just announced Charles Itandje will be at the Tignes training camp as France 4th goalkeeper. Itandje is very happy obviously and said he'll be ready if one the top-3 (Barthez, Coupet, Landreau) is out (injury or deception if Barthez doesn't want to be #2...)
Wow.
Itandje is highly talented, but you'd think Domenech would go the safe route (Ramé, Frey though he's injured, Letizi, etc...).
Hellström 04-25-2006, 01:03 PM Can NOT play on both sides (only as a LB).
However I have an hard time as well considering Neville one of the best RBs in the world.
Agreed - have seen Jankulovsky just on one side and that´s been the left one.
http://www.transfermarkt.de/spieler/spieler_details.php4?spieler_id=3532
Text says RM is possible, but nothing in the text or on the screen about RB.
FlyHigh 04-25-2006, 01:39 PM Where would you rank him among the best RB in the world?
Compared to Sagnol, Cafu, Zambrotta (can play both sides), Eboue, Ferreira, Zanetti, Jankulovsky, Cicinho, Trabelsi, Zorro, Mensah (can play both sides) Kronkamp, Reveillere, Clerc, Eduardo, Paulo Cesar, etc...?
Sagnol - I take over Neville
Cafu - Great career, but a bit old, I'd take Neville.
Zambrotta - I'd take him over Neville.
Eboue - Has potential, but attacking game isn't as good as Neville's and not as solid defensively.
Ferreira - Decent but I'd take Neville.
Zanetti - I'd take Zanetti.
Cicinho - Can't play defense, he shouldn't even be on this list.
Trabelsi- I'd rank them about equal.
I don't know enough about Zorro and Mensah to say.
Kronkamp - I'd take Neville.
Reveillere - Neville by a whisker. And I do mean a whisker.
Clerc - Great potential, but still hasn't established himself like Neville has.
Don't know enough about Eduardo or Paulo Cesar either.
Right now, I'd put Neville on the fringes of the top 5 in the world. And his crosses are at least as good as anyone's on this list.
Ajacied 04-25-2006, 01:41 PM Ranking Neville and Trabelsi as equal is the biggest insult Hatem has even gotten. He can be argued as the top of his position. Only Ooier can keep up with him in the Ere Divisie. Ooier > Kromkamp btw..
FlyHigh 04-25-2006, 01:45 PM Ranking Neville and Trabelsi as equal is the biggest insult Hatem has even gotten. He can be argued as the top of his position. Only Ooier can keep up with him in the Ere Divisie. Ooier > Kromkamp btw..
Who else in the Prem can keep up with Neville right now?
Ajacied 04-25-2006, 01:52 PM Who else in the Prem can keep up with Neville right now?
All? ;)
BTW; Trabelsi has been linked to Arsenal for a few years now. Maybe he'll convince you if he choses for the Gunners over Juventus/Milan/Barça..
Evilo 04-25-2006, 02:27 PM Sagnol - I take over Neville
Cafu - Great career, but a bit old, I'd take Neville.
Zambrotta - I'd take him over Neville.
Eboue - Has potential, but attacking game isn't as good as Neville's and not as solid defensively.
Ferreira - Decent but I'd take Neville.
Zanetti - I'd take Zanetti.
Cicinho - Can't play defense, he shouldn't even be on this list.
Trabelsi- I'd rank them about equal.
I don't know enough about Zorro and Mensah to say.
Kronkamp - I'd take Neville.
Reveillere - Neville by a whisker. And I do mean a whisker.
Clerc - Great potential, but still hasn't established himself like Neville has.
Don't know enough about Eduardo or Paulo Cesar either.
Right now, I'd put Neville on the fringes of the top 5 in the world. And his crosses are at least as good as anyone's on this list.
Nobody can cross like Sagnol sorry. At any position BTW. And yes it includes Beckham.
Anyway, off your list, you take Sagnol, Zanetti, Zambrotta, and for the others :
- Cafu's still better than Neville. They're not that far in age, and Cafu at no point was a lesser player than Neville.
- Eboue right now is much better than Neville. You can always play the "experience" card, so I'll let it undecided.
- Ferreira not better than Neville? It's a no brainer really.
- You seemingly highly underrate Cicinho. He's basically a Roberto Carlos. You know I'm not a fan of Cicinho, but he brings tremedous danger offensively. I'd take him over Neville on a team with good DMs.
- Trabelsi is much better than Neville.
- I can tell you right now Mensah is better than Neville.
- What is a "whisker"? If it means a lot, then you're sadly mistaken. Reveillere is close to Sagnol. That tells you a lot.
- Clerc on the other hand is not as "experienced" as you said. Still he established himself in a few months, putting Reveillere on the bench (or rather Reveillere couldn't take his job back after his injury).
- Kronkamp is a toss up I'd say.
- Eduardo is an up and coming brazilian.
- Paulo Cesar is a brazilian that can play either side, and can also play midfielder.
I could have added Maicon. Constant offensive danger, under-average defensively.
Evilo 04-25-2006, 02:30 PM So that makes a list of :
1- Sagnol
2- Zambrotta
3- Zanetti
4- Ferreira
5- Cafu
6- Trabelsi
7- Reveillere
8- Eduardo
9- Eboue
10- Cicinho
11- Maicon
12- Neville
Yes I have him as 12th best RB.
And it's very possible I'm forgetting one name out there.
FlyHigh 04-25-2006, 02:57 PM - Cafu's still better than Neville. They're not that far in age, and Cafu at no point was a lesser player than Neville.
I disagree. I like Cafu a lot, but right now, I just feel that Neville is the better player.
- Eboue right now is much better than Neville. You can always play the "experience" card, so I'll let it undecided.
It's not just the experience card. While Eboue is good going forward, I've noticed that he tends to be sloppy in the box and often lacks that final ball. He's good defensively as well, but still prone to an occasional bad error.
- Ferreira not better than Neville? It's a no brainer really.
Don't agree with you at all. Ferreira is very solid and I respect him because he's usually not one of the multitude of Chelsea players that habitually surround the referee, but he's not as dangerous attacking.
- You seemingly highly underrate Cicinho. He's basically a Roberto Carlos. You know I'm not a fan of Cicinho, but he brings tremedous danger offensively. I'd take him over Neville on a team with good DMs.
Cicinho is great going forward, but awful defensively. He was absolutely taken apart by Reyes at the Bernabeu and he didn't do much better at Highbury. On a team like Man Utd which plays O'Shea and Giggs in the middle of the field right now, he'd be eaten alive.
- Trabelsi is much better than Neville.
Seems that both you and O=S are in agreement on this one, so I'll defer.
- I can tell you right now Mensah is better than Neville.
I'll trust your opinion here.
- What is a "whisker"? If it means a lot, then you're sadly mistaken. Reveillere is close to Sagnol. That tells you a lot.
Whisker is the exact opposite of a lot. It means barely. Like a cat's whisker. I think Reveillere is a very good player, but I like Neville just a little bit better.
- Clerc on the other hand is not as "experienced" as you said. Still he established himself in a few months, putting Reveillere on the bench (or rather Reveillere couldn't take his job back after his injury).
Once we see Clerc do it for a while, I'll agree, but Neville has been performing at this level for nearly 10 years.
- Kronkamp is a toss up I'd say.
If we're talking about Jan Kronkamp, we're talking about a guy that can't get into the Liverpool starting XI ahead of Steve Finnan.
- Eduardo is an up and coming brazilian.
- Paulo Cesar is a brazilian that can play either side, and can also play midfielder.
I could have added Maicon. Constant offensive danger, under-average defensively.
Both Brazilians sound good, but I'd take Neville right now and about Maicon, Neville is very dangerous offensively and above average defensively.
I don't think you need to look farther than Manu's record without Neville. When he was out earlier in the year, they really struggled a lot. But once he came back, the machine started clicking again and they've been playing very well lately. I don't like any part of Neville from his attitude to his moustache, but I still think he's one of the world's best RBs.
Evilo 04-25-2006, 02:59 PM Well, we'll disagree. He's not a top 10 RB to me.
FlyHigh 04-25-2006, 03:00 PM Well, we'll disagree. He's not a top 10 RB to me.
Fair enough.
Belizarius 04-26-2006, 02:22 AM Neville is a good utility player now and was a very good RB... but I tend to agree with Evilo on this list. Maybe because I don't watch Neville a lot...
For the Itandje topic Evilo, I think his choice as a 4th GK for France NT is very logical.
Coupet and Barthez are both 32-33 now so I don't see the purpose of adding another 30' something to the list just as a bench warmer. So exit Rame, Letizi (who had trouble to keep his #1 spot to Alonso, who could also be there but is 30) and Cool, even if they all deserve to be there. Richert is also 30.
That's left
Itandje, UEFA experience, France youth teams GK
Janot, no UEFA experience, no selections
Pele, same, only 2 L1 seasons (1 and a half)
Le Crom, no UEFA experience, same for Bracigliano.
and some other GK are barely #1 in their teams (Gregorini-Lloris, Puydebois, Carrasso...)
Penneteau is in L2, same with Caen's GK Plante, Gavanon in Clermont or Pionnier in Montpellier
The rest is too young, example Lloris, Costil, Chaigneau, Pouplin, Hartock, Riou...
As Frey is injured, Itandje is the lone choice to have a young GK here to learn as a 4th GK, and to be Landreau (or Frey) backup in a few years.
Evilo 04-26-2006, 02:37 AM But what if Barthez suddenly decides to quit after Coupet is named number one?
Then Coupet injures himself in the first game.
We're left with Landreau and Itandje?
I'd like Ramé better on the bench. He's a former #3, he has tons of experience, is a leader, and that's all I ask from a backup : security and leadership.
Evilo 04-26-2006, 02:48 AM BTW, Pascal Chimbonda has been elected best RB in the EPL.
A lot of that is a cult thing thought, he's played really well at times but there's something about him that endears him to people. Probably that he's worn gloves in every game.
Evilo 04-26-2006, 04:22 AM Erh, elected by his peers.
Belgian Fan 04-26-2006, 04:30 AM Finnan > Kromkamp
Yeah, I'm aware he's elected by his peers, they're still somewhat endeared to him.
FlyHigh 04-26-2006, 04:44 AM BTW, Pascal Chimbonda has been elected best RB in the EPL.
I'd call him 2nd best probably, he's certainly in the top 5. The reason Neville didn't win probably is because he was injured for much of the year and to be honest, he's not very well-liked around the league.
Evilo 04-26-2006, 04:54 AM I'd call him 2nd best probably, he's certainly in the top 5. The reason Neville didn't win probably is because he was injured for much of the year and to be honest, he's not very well-liked around the league.
I don't think the footballers elect according to their likings.
Chimbonda won it because he's a better RB (or at least he had a better year).
Chimbonda was a good RB already in L1, but I think the reason why he was elected is because the EPL is awful when it comes to RB (and LB BTW).
Evilo 04-26-2006, 04:56 AM I will ask this question:
Who on that list of RB's won't get pwn3d by Ronaldinho?
Probably any could be ridiculed by Ronnie.
However, I'd say Sagnol, Zanetti and Zambrotta (though they have different qualities) are a good step over the rest and would stand a chance against Ronnie.
helicecopter 04-26-2006, 05:04 AM lol, the thread didn't stay on topic for too long..
while we are at it..
Zidane to call it a career right after the World Cup; suprises me to not have seen this reported here yet (maybe i missed though).
Evilo 04-26-2006, 05:25 AM Yep, goodbye Zizou, truly one of the greatest players ever.
I'm not a fan of the character, but the football player was absolutely amazing.
Let's hope his body follows up on his mind because he's pretty determined to win this summer's WC.
Belizarius 04-26-2006, 05:33 AM Well, I think he should have retired earlier... he's still above the rest with his technical skills but doesn't have the speed anymore, he's slow, can't play a full game, and I don't find him very consistent... He's not hungry anymore I think.
But still, nothing against him. He made us proud of French soccer and made us dreaming with his awesome dribbles and passes... and some unbelievable goals. He's definitly one of the greatest player in history...
Hopefully, he kept some energy for the world cup... he had a few injuries and didn't start every game recently, so maybe he will be on the top again in june.
I don't think like a lot of our journalists here, but to me he's not a lock anymore by his play in the NT... we should have learn to play without him, and we started to do so just before he came back. His experience, his skills and his impact are still important (because some defenders still have some fear vs him) but now, most of the d-men know how to play vs him and Zidane isn't faster anymore...
Well, his retirement isn't a surprise but good luck in your life and be strong in june!
FlyHigh 04-26-2006, 05:41 AM I don't think the footballers elect according to their likings.
Chimbonda won it because he's a better RB (or at least he had a better year).
Chimbonda was a good RB already in L1, but I think the reason why he was elected is because the EPL is awful when it comes to RB (and LB BTW).
Chimbonda has played 14 matches more than Neville this year and has been blessed with very good health. I think he won because of these reasons rather than being the more talented back.
Strizzi 04-26-2006, 07:35 AM I don't think like a lot of our journalists here, but to me he's not a lock anymore by his play in the NT... we should have learn to play without him, and we started to do so just before he came back. His experience, his skills and his impact are still important (because some defenders still have some fear vs him) but now, most of the d-men know how to play vs him and Zidane isn't faster anymore...I understand what you're saying, but I could imagine that he's willing to sacrifice himself for that last tournament. He will get enough rest afterwards.
Belizarius 04-26-2006, 08:28 AM Yeah I think so. And the whole team will work harder for him to give him a nice exit...
So, it's not a bad thing to announce that just before the World Cup. :)
I will ask this question:
Who on that list of RB's won't get pwn3d by Ronaldinho?
:biglaugh: He could probably pawn any RB in the world at the moment
Gwyddbwyll 04-27-2006, 02:01 PM Why does Hargreaves even get a look in? I mean i haven't seen him that much, but everytime i do watch him, he never impresses me. I'd much rather give one of the younger guys a chance.
I'd much rather have King than Hargreaves. King is versatile, and he plays well for the england everytime.
I might take Bent over Defoe. Defoe is the better skilled of the two, but Bent is one of the most cynical finishers in the premiership right now. Defoe has had a below par season IMO.
I havent seen that much of Hargreaves either, but he's just as versatile as King. The spot is for a defensive midfielder and that is his actual position which he plays at a very high level in Europe. He can also shift to LW and LB - both positions of weakness in the squad (LB because of injuries and LW because we dont have any). King is a central defender - we are very deep there. He can play out of position.. sort of.. although bear in mind against Riquelme, he basically lost the battle.. it wasnt till Riquelme went off that we turned it around. Given their positional versatility and experience, Hargreaves is more useful as a bench player and that's what you look for. And as far as I'm aware, he isnt carrying an injury like King.
Bent has a lot of goals but he hasnt convinced me as an international hitman. He's good as a main man, but he's not going to get many chances as a fringe striker. Defoe has already proven he can score and make an impact as a England sub. It's too close to call though.
Evilo - Players do vote according to their likings, even more so than any other group of people. Neville is probably one of the most unpopular players in the league. Chimbonda may have had a better year, but that doesnt make him the better player.
Evilo 04-27-2006, 02:08 PM I havent seen that much of Hargreaves either, but he's just as versatile as King. The spot is for a defensive midfielder and that is his actual position which he plays at a very high level in Europe. He can also shift to LW and LB - both positions of weakness in the squad (LB because of injuries and LW because we dont have any). King is a central defender - we are very deep there. He can play out of position.. sort of.. although bear in mind against Riquelme, he basically lost the battle.. it wasnt till Riquelme went off that we turned it around. Given their positional versatility and experience, Hargreaves is more useful as a bench player and that's what you look for. And as far as I'm aware, he isnt carrying an injury like King.
Bent has a lot of goals but he hasnt convinced me as an international hitman. He's good as a main man, but he's not going to get many chances as a fringe striker. Defoe has already proven he can score and make an impact as a England sub. It's too close to call though.
Evilo - Players do vote according to their likings, even more so than any other group of people. Neville is probably one of the most unpopular players in the league. Chimbonda may have had a better year, but that doesnt make him the better player.
Which is what I said. That he had the better year.
Note that I didn't put Chimbonda as a better RB than Neville.
OK, England have just named their squad
* - denotes Uncapped Player:
GOALKEEPERS
Paul Robinson (Tottenham Hotspur)
David James (Manchester City)
Robert Green (Norwich City)
DEFENDERS
Gary Neville (Manchester United)
Rio Ferdinand (Manchester United)
John Terry (Chelsea)
Ashley Cole (Arsenal)
Sol Campbell (Arsenal)
Jamie Carragher (Liverpool)
Wayne Bridge (Chelsea)
MIDFIELDERS
David Beckham (Real Madrid)
Michael Carrick (Tottenham Hotspur)
Frank Lampard (Chelsea)
Steven Gerrard (Liverpool)
Owen Hargreaves (FC Bayern)
Jermaine Jenas (Tottenham Hotspur)
Stewart Downing (Middlesbrough)
Joe Cole (Chelsea)
Aaron Lennon (Tottenham Hotspur)*
FORWARDS
Wayne Rooney (Manchester United)
Michael Owen (Newcastle United)
Peter Crouch (Liverpool)
Theo Walcott (Arsenal)*
Standby:
Scott Carson (Liverpool)*
Luke Young (Charlton Athletic)
Nigel Reo Coker (West Ham)*
Jermaine Defoe (Tottenham Hotspur)
Andy Johnson (Crystal Palace)
My word, I'll post thoughts when I'm not so stunned.
DevilFisch 05-08-2006, 08:10 AM Uh, Sven Goren Eriksson and the FA Committee? Isn't Rooney out with a metastarsal injury for at least 7 weeks?
Have fun in the other Group of Death!
Belgian Fan 05-08-2006, 08:22 AM OK, I was already shocked that Walcott might be named as stand by reserve, but including him in the Big squad when he hasn't played a single Premiership minute? :amazed:
What has Jermain Defoe ever done to Sven? Or Darren Bent or even even Darius Vassel? I'd even name Fowler for good measure. Surely these guys would be of more value then Walcott right now...
And what is Owen Hargreaves doing once again in the squad? I'm sure he has some picture os Sven in compromising positions :shakehead
pretty shocking
Either way it's clear that Crouch will probably be playing, with Owen as his partner.
Tuggy 05-08-2006, 08:38 AM What are the chances that Rooney returns during the World Cup?
Actually playing? Maybe 70%, his rehab is scheduled to be finished on the same day England play Paraguay.
He won't be anywhere near match fitness though, much like Beckham in '02
Evilo 05-08-2006, 08:46 AM Three decisions I don't understand :
- Walcott in the list
- Dafoe in the reserves
- Bent not picked at all
When you see that L1's best player has a 50/50 (at best) chance of making the french list, and then you see a guy with O EPL game (Walcott) making it, you have to wonder. Especially since in both cases the player's playing in the team's weakest spot (striker for England, creative midfielders for France).
Stunning.
Evilo 05-08-2006, 08:48 AM And really what does Walcott have on Bent? The guy's third in the EPL in scoring. He's young, he's fast, he's good.
Dafoe is a proven commodity as well.
Makes no sense.
It's OK to take gambles, but when Rooney is on the sidelines, you can't take Walcott as your first sub.
Belgian Fan 05-08-2006, 08:51 AM It's Defoe Evilo, Dafoe is the former hockey goaltender ;)
Belgian Fan 05-08-2006, 09:05 AM One more thing: why is Campbell of all people in the squad while King missed out? Yesterday it was proven once again that Campbell is a mental mistake waiting to happen (that was a clear penalty foul he made on Roberts there)
The more I look at this squad the more I have to wonder what Sven was thinking
Ajacied 05-08-2006, 09:37 AM Walcott? You kidding me? And here am I thinking van Basten has an awful selection procudure. This equals van Basten taking Aisatti with him..
Gwyddbwyll 05-08-2006, 09:44 AM I reckon Campbell is in for his experience - he has played every minute of every tournament in recent memory.
I'm pretty stunned by the squad but I'm very pleased too. I have been calling for Lennon to be included. As a Palace fan, naturally I'm annoyed Johnson was snubbed for a teenager and the same could be said for Bent, Defoe & co.
However the inclusion of Downing, Lennon and Walcott is going to bring a real buzz to the squad. Some of you may not realise the black depression England as a team and nation has fallen into with Rooney's injury. Guys like Gerrard were very down. Those three young guys are going to bring huge enthusiam and energy and all three are potential little stars in their own right. Guys like Bent, Johnson, Vassell are good professionals but they're never going to truly inspire a team or a nation's imagination. Im truly excited to see what those three might do.
I'm just astonished Sven has done this.. normally he's so pragmatic and conservative. Perhaps now he's leaving, he doesnt feel so constrained.
Edit - Evilo - Walcott probably wont be first sub.. Joe Cole and Aaron Lennon can both play as a support striker and others have been calling for Gerrard to play in Rooney's role.
Ajacied 05-08-2006, 09:45 AM What I'd like to see from the Dutch:
--------Van Nistelrooy----------
------------VDV----------------
Robben------------------Sneijder
----Van Bommel--Davids---------
Gio--Heitinga--Maduro--Kromkamp
-----------VDS------------------
Yeah I've got Maduro play Defense. Bite me.
Bench:
Robin Van Persie
Huntelaar
Cocu
Skelenberg
Bouhlarouz
De Jong
Fill in the rest as you like
Yuck!
1) Sneijder is not a winger.
2) van Bommel is a right midfielder and tends to play deeper.
3) Davids is a left midfielder.
4) Neither Heitinga or Kromkamp are likely to start. Maduro will play at midfield.
5) Cocu is a starter, period. He's our best player.
6) De Jong won't be selected.
This is how it should've been:
-=------------------------- van Nistelrooij -------------------------
Robben ------------------------------------------------------ Kalou
----------------- van der Vaart -------------------------------------
--------------------------------------- Sneijder ----------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------- Maduro -------- Cocu ------------------------
Emanuelson -------------------------------------------------- Ooier
--------------------------- Stam - Boulahrouz ----------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------- van der Sar -----------------------------
Obviously, van Basten failed in his attempt of getting Stam out of international retirement. Even though Stam had his doubts, he decided not to. Kalou has been in a fight for a Dutch passport for a while now. Expect him to be our top RW'er during EC 2008. Replace Stam with Matijsen, Kalou with van Persie/Kuijt and you have our squad.
Gwyddbwyll 05-08-2006, 09:51 AM Oh come on now, the Dutch are bloody good as it is.. you dont need 12 men as well!
Ajacied 05-08-2006, 09:53 AM Oh come on now, the Dutch are bloody good as it is.. you dont need 12 men as well!
Good lord, that's the 2nd time in a row I made a lineup consisting out of 12 players. And I'm suppose to be a teacher..
Ah well, take out Maduro or Sneijder.
Ajacied 05-08-2006, 10:01 AM Almost forgot:
Hey Eriksson, GET BENT!!!
Or: "Bent it like Eriksson"..
J17 Vs Proclamation 05-08-2006, 11:26 AM I reckon Campbell is in for his experience - he has played every minute of every tournament in recent memory.
I'm pretty stunned by the squad but I'm very pleased too. I have been calling for Lennon to be included. As a Palace fan, naturally I'm annoyed Johnson was snubbed for a teenager and the same could be said for Bent, Defoe & co.
However the inclusion of Downing, Lennon and Walcott is going to bring a real buzz to the squad. Some of you may not realise the black depression England as a team and nation has fallen into with Rooney's injury. Guys like Gerrard were very down. Those three young guys are going to bring huge enthusiam and energy and all three are potential little stars in their own right. Guys like Bent, Johnson, Vassell are good professionals but they're never going to truly inspire a team or a nation's imagination. Im truly excited to see what those three might do.
I'm just astonished Sven has done this.. normally he's so pragmatic and conservative. Perhaps now he's leaving, he doesnt feel so constrained.
Edit - Evilo - Walcott probably wont be first sub.. Joe Cole and Aaron Lennon can both play as a support striker and others have been calling for Gerrard to play in Rooney's role.
Being young myself, i always kinda root for the younger guys. But i never expected a squad like this. I remember doing a world cup roster last year with a friend, and he suggested Theo Walcott making the team, and i laughed alot.
Lennon deserves to go. Has really impressed me this season. At times he has caused absolute terror with defenses. Should be a good learning curve for him and he will be a star sooner than later IMO. Downing im not so sold on, he's good but this year he hasn't stood out to me. Middlesbrough have alot of youngsters playing, like Johnson or Morrison and they have been just as good as Downie. Walcott hasn't played a game for the Gunners, but how has he played for the reservers (i presume thats where he has been playing).
Im really suprised we only went with 4 strikers, considering Rooney and Owen are doubts. Swap Hargreaves for Bent/Defoe.
Belgian Fan 05-08-2006, 11:38 AM Im really suprised we only went with 4 strikers, considering Rooney and Owen are doubts. Swap Hargreaves for Bent/Defoe.
A solution would have been leaving Campbell at home and adding King, he could then cover in midfield as well wich would enable Sven to leave Hargreaves at home and add a Defoe/Bent
And I definately don't have any issue with the Lennon's inclusion. Downing I can sort of understand. But I will always question the Walcott selection...
J17 Vs Proclamation 05-08-2006, 11:42 AM A solution would have been leaving Campbell at home and adding King, he could then cover in midfield as well wich would enable Sven to leave Hargreaves at home and add a Defoe/Bent
And I definately don't have any issue with the Lennon's inclusion. Downing I can sort of understand. But I will always question the Walcott selection...
King is injured though, and was not an option. Lennon really excites me, and deserves a shot. Im really shocked by Walcoot being included, but also kinda looking forward to seeing what he can do. Its a bold move, but i wont be suprised if he has a big impact. He has amazing speed. Him and Lennon are ridiculous fast. The squad has alot of pace (Owen isn't that fast though)
Evilo 05-08-2006, 01:29 PM Rumor has it Barthez has been chosen number one in front of Coupet.
Nothing confirmed yet.
Evilo 05-08-2006, 01:43 PM So, will Domenech pull an Eriksson and select David N'Gog? :sarcasm:
HeHateMeFrisbee 05-08-2006, 02:20 PM To be honest, when i saw that SWP had been left out, and Walcott was in, i was shocked. But Sven said it was a last minute choice. Well, I hope it works out. I think Walcott and Lennon's speed is going to be a nice change to the England squad. Outside of Cole, we had no real speed.
I still think we have just as good a chance to win the World Cup, despite having our injuries. Not having Rooney will hurt, but I really think Owen and Crouch are an awsome combo. I would have this:
-------------Robinson
--Neville----Ferdinand----Terry---A. Cole
--Becks------Lampard-----J.Cole
--------------Gerrard--------------
--------------Crouch---------------
--------------Owen----------------
I think if Owen has to come out, Walcott's speed is going to be incredible with the freakishly tall Crouch.
Im excited.
Tricolore#20 05-08-2006, 03:52 PM King is injured though, and was not an option. Lennon really excites me, and deserves a shot. Im really shocked by Walcoot being included, but also kinda looking forward to seeing what he can do. Its a bold move, but i wont be suprised if he has a big impact. He has amazing speed. Him and Lennon are ridiculous fast. The squad has alot of pace (Owen isn't that fast though)
I think because Sven is leaving as manager after the World Cup, he felt like he had nothing to lose in taking Walcott. I simply cannot believe it, how he can take a youth player, without actually seeing him play. If Walcott was so good, how come he didn't get more time with Arsenal this year? Because he's so damn inexperienced and just a boy! I cannot see how he could be of use at the World Cup without any action on the elite level.
My friend put it aptly. Imagine Wayne Gretzky selecting Angelo Esposito to play for Canada at the Olympics. It simply defies logic, when you have relatively more experienced, more certain players who won't be going. I feel bad for Darren Bent, he did absolutely everything he could to earn himself a spot, but Sven took a kid instead.
I believe FIFA has allowed teams to change their rosters between now and their first game. If Rooney's status is still clouded then, would they name Defoe to the team?
Wolff-McBride
Donovan-O'Brien-Reyna-Beasley-Dempsey
Pope-Bocanegra-Lewis
Howard
I'd also have Twellman at striker, but Bruce Arena would rather Ching come off the bench...bah...
joe_shannon_1983* 05-08-2006, 04:50 PM My friend put it aptly. Imagine Wayne Gretzky selecting Angelo Esposito to play for Canada at the Olympics. It simply defies logic, when you have relatively more experienced, more certain players who won't be going. I feel bad for Darren Bent, he did absolutely everything he could to earn himself a spot, but Sven took a kid instead.
That would be a DREAM COME TRUE for some people around here!
SwisshockeyAcademy 05-08-2006, 05:11 PM I think because Sven is leaving as manager after the World Cup, he felt like he had nothing to lose in taking Walcott. I simply cannot believe it, how he can take a youth player, without actually seeing him play. If Walcott was so good, how come he didn't get more time with Arsenal this year? Because he's so damn inexperienced and just a boy! I cannot see how he could be of use at the World Cup without any action on the elite level.
My friend put it aptly. Imagine Wayne Gretzky selecting Angelo Esposito to play for Canada at the Olympics. It simply defies logic, when you have relatively more experienced, more certain players who won't be going. I feel bad for Darren Bent, he did absolutely everything he could to earn himself a spot, but Sven took a kid instead.
I believe FIFA has allowed teams to change their rosters between now and their first game. If Rooney's status is still clouded then, would they name Defoe to the team?
Is there any chance of a reversal here? This made me nearly spit my coffee all over the keyboard. I am fine with Lennon having seen him play plenty. He has pace and has grown in confidence. I watched Chelsea plenty and did not see SWP often and when I did he was coming on to mop up or was pulled early after getting nothing done. Hargreaves gets his token spot and may as well enjoy his last trip in an England shirt. When Eriksson begged him to play after Wales and Canada were beating down his door he chose England and I knew it was the wrong decision. He has been a game changer off the bench alright. The opposition usually scores.
The Walcott decision is such that I wonder if Sven has not lost his marbles. Has he? It seems positively ludicrous. Not one premiership appearance and 17 years young on top of it!!!
Gwyddbwyll 05-08-2006, 07:11 PM I think people are overstating the no appearances in the Premiership thing. It's a funny statistic. But I can tell you, the Championship is a very high standard for a 2nd tier league. Many clubs have 7+ internationals in their team and it is arguably a top 10-15 league in its own right. Theo has played in that league and was scary good. There's also the small matter of trying to displace this guy called Thierry Henry to get a game..
Rooney played for England at 17yo after just 26 senior appearances. Walcott is about to do the same after 21 appearances.
I understand the Esposito comparision, however there are some important differences. He hasnt played at a senior level and Walcott has. Hockey is also more physically tough - its harder for the elite talent to make that kind of jump to senior play.
I feel sorry for Bent, its no fun to see a kid get selected ahead of you. But it's kinda like the 3rd goaltender.. its more about what the player brings to the squad, than exactly how good he is. Walcott is gonna bring a buzz, Bent was uninspiring in his England appearances and if we did have to call on him in an emergency off the bench I wouldnt hold out much hope of any kind of impact (despite his success in the Premiership and for England U21s)
As for Rooney / Defoe.. I think he will take Rooney regardless. The prognosis would have to be very bad for him not to.
FlyHigh 05-08-2006, 07:30 PM Really surprising from Sven. I had no idea that King's injury was bad enough to keep him out, I don't think that Campbell is the answer though, hopefully for England he won't start.
I like the Downing pick, I think he's the one naturally left footed winger that England have besides Ethrington and Downing crosses really well which would be nice since Crouch will start.
Lennon is a really good choice in my mind. The quality of LBs isn't the greatest in the Premiership, but when he's on, Lennon can toy with any of them. He'd be great to put on for Becks in the last 30 minutes. It does speak volumes for the fall of Shaun Wright-Phillips when he isn't even named to the reserve squad. Bet he wishes he had chosen Arsenal now.
I'm split on the Walcott pick. This kid is the real deal. He's faster than anyone, he's electric, he will be a star. BUT, he has no big-game experience, he hasn't even played a Premier League game, and he's 17. I think what did it is that Defoe has not been very good this year to be honest. I've never been completely sold on Bent, he's good, but I dunno, I'm just not 100% yet.
Carrick is a good inclusion, but I don't know why Jenas and Hargreaves were included. I would take out both and bring in Defoe and Reo-Coker.
Here's how I would line them up.
--------------------Robinson----------------
---Neville--Carragher----Terry----A. Cole
---------------------Carrick----------------
---Beckham-------------------------J. Cole--
--------------------Gerrard------------------
---------------Crouch------Owen
I would bring on Lennon for Beckham and Lampard for Carrick and drop Gerrard back to Carrick's position if England were trailing. I think the diamond would suit England because Carrick would have room to push up into the midfield and I think a pairing of Carragher and Terry could handle almost anything that's thrown at them. I also like Gerrard just because he's more dynamic and talismanic than Lampard. I'd personally make Gerrard the captain if I were Sven. All the players know Gerrard because they play in the same league, Becks has been in a different league for a number of years now.
Crouch needs to be right up with Owen for all the flick-ons and etc.
Without a healthy Rooney though, this squad would need massive amounts of luck to win the World Cup in my opinion.
SwisshockeyAcademy 05-08-2006, 07:52 PM I think people are overstating the no appearances in the Premiership thing. It's a funny statistic. But I can tell you, the Championship is a very high standard for a 2nd tier league. Many clubs have 7+ internationals in their team and it is arguably a top 10-15 league in its own right. Theo has played in that league and was scary good. There's also the small matter of trying to displace this guy called Thierry Henry to get a game..
Rooney played for England at 17yo after just 26 senior appearances. Walcott is about to do the same after 21 appearances.
I understand the Esposito comparision, however there are some important differences. He hasnt played at a senior level and Walcott has. Hockey is also more physically tough - its harder for the elite talent to make that kind of jump to senior play.
I feel sorry for Bent, its no fun to see a kid get selected ahead of you. But it's kinda like the 3rd goaltender.. its more about what the player brings to the squad, than exactly how good he is. Walcott is gonna bring a buzz, Bent was uninspiring in his England appearances and if we did have to call on him in an emergency off the bench I wouldnt hold out much hope of any kind of impact (despite his success in the Premiership and for England U21s)
As for Rooney / Defoe.. I think he will take Rooney regardless. The prognosis would have to be very bad for him not to.
I agree on how strong League 1 is. Still comparing him to Rooney is a slight stretch who was playing high pressure matches from an early age and he also had some prep games to get his feet wet for England. He often performed better for England than Everton. I will watch with interest but I really think force feeding Walcott is a little looney. Hopefull he proves me wrong.
SwisshockeyAcademy 05-08-2006, 07:55 PM Really surprising from Sven. I had no idea that King's injury was bad enough to keep him out, I don't think that Campbell is the answer though, hopefully for England he won't start.
I like the Downing pick, I think he's the one naturally left footed winger that England have besides Ethrington and Downing crosses really well which would be nice since Crouch will start.
Lennon is a really good choice in my mind. The quality of LBs isn't the greatest in the Premiership, but when he's on, Lennon can toy with any of them. He'd be great to put on for Becks in the last 30 minutes. It does speak volumes for the fall of Shaun Wright-Phillips when he isn't even named to the reserve squad. Bet he wishes he had chosen Arsenal now.
I'm split on the Walcott pick. This kid is the real deal. He's faster than anyone, he's electric, he will be a star. BUT, he has no big-game experience, he hasn't even played a Premier League game, and he's 17. I think what did it is that Defoe has not been very good this year to be honest. I've never been completely sold on Bent, he's good, but I dunno, I'm just not 100% yet.
Carrick is a good inclusion, but I don't know why Jenas and Hargreaves were included. I would take out both and bring in Defoe and Reo-Coker.
Here's how I would line them up.
--------------------Robinson----------------
---Neville--Carragher----Terry----A. Cole
---------------------Carrick----------------
---Beckham-------------------------J. Cole--
--------------------Gerrard------------------
---------------Crouch------Owen
I would bring on Lennon for Beckham and Lampard for Carrick and drop Gerrard back to Carrick's position if England were trailing. I think the diamond would suit England because Carrick would have room to push up into the midfield and I think a pairing of Carragher and Terry could handle almost anything that's thrown at them. I also like Gerrard just because he's more dynamic and talismanic than Lampard. I'd personally make Gerrard the captain if I were Sven. All the players know Gerrard because they play in the same league, Becks has been in a different league for a number of years now.
Crouch needs to be right up with Owen for all the flick-ons and etc.
Without a healthy Rooney though, this squad would need massive amounts of luck to win the World Cup in my opinion.
The midfield decisions will be vital. I would have a hard time leaving out Lampard. Is Beckham really needed over the full 90? Can he not come on as a free kick, pk, get a good cross in when trailing - off the bench man? Maybe I am just off my rocker.
Tricolore#20 05-08-2006, 08:03 PM The midfield decisions will be vital. I would have a hard time leaving out Lampard. Is Beckham really needed over the full 90? Can he not come on as a free kick, pk, get a good cross in when trailing - off the bench man? Maybe I am just off my rocker.
If England uses Peter Crouch, I think a player like Beckham will be vital in getting him the ball.
I'm interested to see what formation England will use, assuming that Rooney can't comeback. Could they resort to a one striker system, like Portugal (Owen playing like Pauleta), and rely heavily on its midfielders?
SwisshockeyAcademy 05-08-2006, 08:17 PM If England uses Peter Crouch, I think a player like Beckham will be vital in getting him the ball.
I'm interested to see what formation England will use, assuming that Rooney can't comeback. Could they resort to a one striker system, like Portugal (Owen playing like Pauleta), and rely heavily on its midfielders?
Good point on Crouch/ Beckham. If Sven is willing to include Walcott he could probably do just about anything formation wise. I remember when Brazil showed up at USA 94 with some scrawny kid named Ronaldo in their 23. He was 18. He did not see any action but was along to soak up the atmosphere. Romario and Bebetto had the front line covered. Make no mistake, Owen and Croch are not Romario and Bebetto. Perhaps Walcott is being included for futures only. One would think there would be five forwards and not fourif that was the case.
Evilo 05-09-2006, 06:07 AM Vicente won't be at the world Cup.
Strizzi can cry now... :D
Strizzi 05-09-2006, 06:32 AM Vicente won't be at the world Cup.
Strizzi can cry now... :DWell, it has been clear for a while that he was a long shot to recover in time. Apart from that, he's played so little the last two seasons that form would have been a question mark anyway. It's a pity though, because the healthy and in-form Vicente from 2 years ago is still the best winger I've seen for quite a while. But I'll still be rooting for the Spaniards to finally live up to their potential at a big tournament - unless they cross our way of course...
Belgian Fan 05-09-2006, 06:57 AM Well, it has been clear for a while that he was a long shot to recover in time. Apart from that, he's played so little the last two seasons that form would have been a question mark anyway. It's a pity though, because the healthy and in-form Vicente from 2 years ago is still the best winger I've seen for quite a while. But I'll still be rooting for the Spaniards to finally live up to their potential at a big tournament - unless they cross our way of course...
He looked good though this weekend when he came on. Obviously that was only for a few minutes but when he gets through the preseason healthy I'm hoping he will be able to return to his old self.
By the way what a bad game that was by the Che, poor Amadeo Carboni was given a home supporters goodbye in D-Minor. Still it was nice to see that, what a warrior he's been :clap:
Evilo 05-09-2006, 07:25 AM Joaquin is a long shot as well apparently.
Subway Schenn 05-09-2006, 09:30 AM Rooney will be given every opportunity to recover in time for the knockout stage. I think he'll make it.
Strizzi 05-09-2006, 09:30 AM Joaquin is a long shot as well apparently.I think he'll be there because Spain is short of wingers right now with L. Garcia also injured. And while Aragones already tried lineups that are less winger-heavy, he won't throw away this tactical option. How strange that exactly this country, where wingers are so numerous and important, got into such a situation...
MartinFr 05-09-2006, 10:46 AM Sweden's squad for the WC:
Goaltenders:
Andreas Isaksson, 24 yrs, Rennes
John Alvbåge, 23 yrs, Viborg
Rami Shaaban, 30 yrs, Fredriksstad
Defenders:
Erik Edman, 27 yrs, Rennes
Petter Hansson, 29 yrs, Heerenveen
Teddy Lucic, 33 yrs, Häcken
Olof Mellberg, 28 yrs, Aston Villa
Mikael Nilsson, 27 yrs, Panathinaikos
Fredrik Stenman, 22 yrs, Bayer Leverkusen
Karl Svensson, 22 yrs, IFK Göteborg
Midfielders/forwards:
Nicklas Alexandersson, 35 yrs, IFK Göteborg
Marcus Allbäck, 32 yrs, FC Copenhagen
Daniel Andersson, 28 yrs, Malmö FF
Johan Elmander, 25 yrs, Bröndby
Zlatan Ibrahimovic, 24 yrs, Juventus
Mattias Jonson, 32 yrs, Djurgården
Kim Källström, 23 yrs, Rennes
Henrik Larsson, 34 yrs, Barcelona/Helsingborg
Tobias Linderoth, 27 yrs, FC Copenhagen
Fredrik Ljungberg, 28 yrs, Arsenal
Markus Rosenberg, 23 yrs, Ajax
Anders Svensson, 29 yrs, Elfsborg
Christian Wilhelmsson, 26 yrs, Anderlecht
Ajacied 05-09-2006, 10:50 AM Sweden's squad for the WC:
Goaltenders:
Andreas Isaksson, 24 yrs, Rennes
John Alvbåge, 23 yrs, Viborg
Rami Shaaban, 30 yrs, Fredriksstad
Defenders:
Erik Edman, 27 yrs, Rennes
Petter Hansson, 29 yrs, Heerenveen
Teddy Lucic, 33 yrs, Häcken
Olof Mellberg, 28 yrs, Aston Villa
Mikael Nilsson, 27 yrs, Panathinaikos
Fredrik Stenman, 22 yrs, Bayer Leverkusen
Karl Svensson, 22 yrs, IFK Göteborg
Midfielders/forwards:
Nicklas Alexandersson, 35 yrs, IFK Göteborg
Marcus Allbäck, 32 yrs, FC Copenhagen
Daniel Andersson, 28 yrs, Malmö FF
Johan Elmander, 25 yrs, Bröndby
Zlatan Ibrahimovic, 24 yrs, Juventus
Mattias Jonson, 32 yrs, Djurgården
Kim Källström, 23 yrs, Rennes
Henrik Larsson, 34 yrs, Barcelona/Helsingborg
Tobias Linderoth, 27 yrs, FC Copenhagen
Fredrik Ljungberg, 28 yrs, Arsenal
Markus Rosenberg, 23 yrs, Ajax
Anders Svensson, 29 yrs, Elfsborg
Christian Wilhelmsson, 26 yrs, Anderlecht
No Lasse Nillson? He's been amazing since appointed first striker for Heereveen.. Likely heading to Manchester City for 8 million though.
Any guesses at the starting lineup?
MartinFr 05-09-2006, 10:59 AM Any guesses at the starting lineup?
----------------------Isaksson-------------------------
Alexandersson - Mellberg - Lukic - Edman
---------------------Linderoth--------------------------
---------------------Källström--------------------------
-----Wilhelmsson-------------------Ljungberg-------
----------------Ibrahimovic---Larsson----------------
I suppose that Anders Svensson, Marcus Allbäck, Mikael Nilsson and Fredrik Stenman will start at least one game. And versus England I guess that Larsson will be fishing alone ^^
J17 Vs Proclamation 05-09-2006, 11:03 AM If England uses Peter Crouch, I think a player like Beckham will be vital in getting him the ball.
I'm interested to see what formation England will use, assuming that Rooney can't comeback. Could they resort to a one striker system, like Portugal (Owen playing like Pauleta), and rely heavily on its midfielders?
Peter Crouch isn't great in the air. Its a myth. He lacks physical strength for his size and Beckham or not, he isn't a big threat in the air. Gerrard/Lampard are perfectly capable of giving him the ball anyway. I honestly think this will be Beckhams last world cup as a starter. Once upon a time, he was considered our best player. Now he isn't even considered the best or second best in our midfield. Lennon will take his place soon.
Hopefully Walcott gets a shot and doesn't just stay on the bench. I imagine Sven will use Walcott quite alot in the few friendly games before the WC.
SwisshockeyAcademy 05-09-2006, 11:34 AM Peter Crouch isn't great in the air. Its a myth. He lacks physical strength for his size and Beckham or not, he isn't a big threat in the air. Gerrard/Lampard are perfectly capable of giving him the ball anyway. I honestly think this will be Beckhams last world cup as a starter. Once upon a time, he was considered our best player. Now he isn't even considered the best or second best in our midfield. Lennon will take his place soon.
Hopefully Walcott gets a shot and doesn't just stay on the bench. I imagine Sven will use Walcott quite alot in the few friendly games before the WC.
If Becks struggles out of the gate will he be dropped to the bench this time?
J17 Vs Proclamation 05-09-2006, 11:48 AM If Becks struggles out of the gate will he be dropped to the bench this time?
No. Sven has some sort of love affair with him, and i still think alot of people are blind to the fact that he just isn't that good. If Beckham were to be dropped, all we would miss is a a few crosses.
Belgian Fan 05-09-2006, 11:53 AM I kind of agree that this should be Becks' last tournament as a starter.
I also agree about Crouch being not much of a header. Having said that he is a better player then most people give him credit for. He's not much of a goalscoring thread but he is very good as a target man and he will command attention from any defense at any level. He's probably most effective with a guy playing close to him so if Owen makes it that would be a natural combination.
Here's how I'd go personally in that case:
-------- Crouch - Owen -----------
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Cole ----- Lamps --- Gerrard ----
----------- Carrick -----------------
Cole - Terry - Carra (will probably be Rio though) - Neville
------------ Robinson -------------
Leaving Becks out for Carrick allows Lamps and Gerrard to do their thing with more freedom. Gerrard covers enough ground as Right midfielder to still be effective anywhere on the pitch.
This likely won't be Sven's lineup though. I think if you replace Carrick with Becks you would be close though.
J17 Vs Proclamation 05-09-2006, 12:05 PM I kind of agree that this should be Becks' last tournament as a starter.
I also agree about Crouch being not much of a header. Having said that he is a better player then most people give him credit for. He's not much of a goalscoring thread but he is very good as a target man and he will command attention from any defense at any level. He's probably most effective with a guy playing close to him so if Owen makes it that would be a natural combination.
Here's how I'd go personally in that case:
-------- Crouch - Owen -----------
--------------------------------------
Cole ----- Lamps --- Gerrard ----
----------- Carrick -----------------
Cole - Terry - Carra (will probably be Rio though) - Neville
------------ Robinson -------------
Leaving Becks out for Carrick allows Lamps and Gerrard to do their thing with more freedom. Gerrard covers enough ground as Right midfielder to still be effective anywhere on the pitch.
This likely won't be Sven's lineup though. I think if you replace Carrick with Becks you would be close though.
Crouch has been unfairly criticised quite alot. I wouldn't pay £7 Mil for him, but he is a good solid striker, who can score goals. He has played fairly well for Liverpool this year.
I like the idea of holding player, such as Carrick. It allows Gerrard and Lampard to play their game. However, i know Sven has wowed us in the past (His selection of Walcott, and somehow found two women to sleep with him) but he wont leave Beckham out.
Evilo 05-10-2006, 06:15 AM Domenech sent 50 "pre-selections" to 50 players that could be potentially be selected in sunday (the day he'll tell his 23 players).
Well guess what? Neither Micoud nor Ribéry have received one.
If Ribéry isn't at the WC, Domenech is hurting France's chances BIG TIME.
Strizzi 05-10-2006, 07:48 AM If Ribéry isn't at the WC, Domenech is hurting France's chances BIG TIME.He's already got a history of hurting France's chances against Switzerland with his decisions, so why should he change that now? :snide:
Ajacied 05-10-2006, 07:53 AM Domenech sent 50 "pre-selections" to 50 players that could be potentially be selected in sunday (the day he'll tell his 23 players).
Well guess what? Neither Micoud nor Ribéry have received one.
If Ribéry isn't at the WC, Domenech is hurting France's chances BIG TIME.
Ah quit whining.. van Basten will not even select Seedorf, Davids, Makaay and likely not even Huntelaar, either. :p:
No idea what the coaches are thinking these days. There are some weird selections/ommissions on either Holland, France, Argentina, Brazil and England..
Evilo 05-10-2006, 09:09 AM Ah quit whining.. van Basten will not even select Seedorf, Davids, Makaay and likely not even Huntelaar, either. :p:
No idea what the coaches are thinking these days. There are some weird selections/ommissions on either Holland, France, Argentina, Brazil and England..
There's probably not many players that made a bigger impact this season in all of Europe than Ribery.
That'd be like Italy not selecting Toni, Germany not taking Klose, England not taking Rooney, etc...
Basically, he could be THE star of the team, and contrary to your comparisons, he actually fits a HUGE need (offensive midfielder).
Belizarius 05-10-2006, 09:20 AM Ribery would be there as a bench warmer. He won't start ahead of Malouda at LW or Wiltord as RW. More experience for them and less temper... and in center, Zidane will play although I personnaly think he should retire now.
Still, I think he deserves a shot, could be a sparkplug. He's versatile also, can play left or right and that's a true advantage.
But do you remember Euro2004? How many minutes for Rothen, who was at the time very good, Giuly, among others? a few minutes at the end of a game. Same in the middle, or defense, even with Desailly and Sylvestre struggling. Domenech isn't Lemerre or Santini but still, there's only 3 substitutions by game and most of the time it's for the forwards spots : Trezeguet and Henry will start, and behind them we'll have either Cisse or Anelka coming at the 60th minute...
Once the starting 11 is selected, all 12 players left are here as bench warmers.
Ribery would be the star for the youth selection during the U-22 euro... even if I think he must be at the world cup, at least to learn. He's going to b a good leader for the next generation, when he'll learn how not taking a red card that can kill his team (Marseille in UEFA Cup vs St Petersbourg).
Evilo 05-10-2006, 09:25 AM Nah, Domenech would use him. Even if he comes in late, he can bring so much and throw out a defensive scheme in a few minutes.
Remember what killed us the last two international competitions : teams playing with 10 defensemen. Ribéry would exactly be what is needed against these teams.
Belizarius 05-10-2006, 01:42 PM Unfortunatly, he disappeared in the big games...
Red Card vs St Petersbourg
Invisible vs Lyon in the semifinals of French Cup
Invisible vs PSG in the finals...
He has a lot of hype but a lot is also created by the medias who wants a big name player in Marseille and a big guy for France national team now that Zidane is leaving. I'm not sure Ribery is ready to handle it. And remember his European experience is very slim... at least Cissé played in CL when selected in 2002 without any cap.
But still, I think he deserves a shot, just because Govou was too inconsistant, Rothen injured and inconsistant... but IMO with Malouda, Wiltord, Zidane and Giuly as creating midfielders, or wingers, Ribéry won't play a lot... and there will be 4 forwards also...
Evilo 05-10-2006, 01:47 PM Unfortunatly, he disappeared in the big games...
Red Card vs St Petersbourg
Invisible vs Lyon in the semifinals of French Cup
Invisible vs PSG in the finals...
Are you kidding?
Did you see the game? He's the SOLE reason for Niang's goal. He took the ball from his half, outrun everyone on the right side, and at FULL speed (and I mean full, because it went damn fast), he managed to throw a 30 meters pass RIGHT on Niang's foot (who was covered by a defenseman to boot) for the goal. It was one of the play of the year and it was the game winning goal.
He got a red card against Zenith? Guess what, he's the reason why OM was there to begin with.
His main bad big game was against PSG in the final, but find me an OM player that was better. Lamouchi is the only option.
Evilo 05-10-2006, 01:59 PM And while I'm at it. U21 euro championships playoffs against England. Who scored the most important goal? Ribery.
BTW, here was Ribery choking against Lyon in the Cup semis :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2qK3Kc10o4&search=ribery
And it's no even as impressive as it looked in real time because you don't see the whole action on this video.
Gwyddbwyll 05-11-2006, 01:11 AM I think Ribery should be in the squad.
I used to consider the U21s as a great measurement of talent but Im not so sure anymore. Darren Bent had a great goalscoring record at that level and very ordinary once he stepped up.
Belizarius 05-11-2006, 02:30 AM I think Ribery should be in the squad.
I used to consider the U21s as a great measurement of talent but Im not so sure anymore. Darren Bent had a great goalscoring record at that level and very ordinary once he stepped up.
We have plenty of examples in France... Maoulida, Sorlin, Kapo comes to mind.
I also think Ribery should be included, though I'm not as high on him (at this point!) than Evilo. I think he can become an important part of France's NT in the next years and it could be interesting to select him just to learn, at least, and sometimes to add a spark... But he's still young, without a lot of L1 games and a few Intertoto-UEFA Cup games... he needs to learn, to work hard again and again and not stop his development now thinking he's a star. My biggest fear is the medias impact on his career with so much hype in Marseille... Medias can help a career or destroy it in a few weeks and I don't want him to be burn too soon.
Evilo 05-11-2006, 02:41 AM Well thinl of it this way : I hate OM. And I'm absolutely dazzled by Ribéry's play.
That says a lot.
Belizarius 05-11-2006, 03:51 AM Well thinl of it this way : I hate OM. And I'm absolutely dazzled by Ribéry's play.
That says a lot.
Well, I just can say I have nearly the same feeling... With just a fear : leading Marseille game after game makes me wonder if he could be tired...
Another point : playing a World cup means living with a team for 1 month. How can he fit in a team concept, in this particular team? I think Domenech has a feed back from the U-21 coach, and know things about his "integration&qu |