Klee/Rafalski who's better

Today I was looking at some forums and in one of them someone said that Klee is way better than rafalski, to my surprise many people agreed, what do you think?

One guy also gave these positives and negatives for both players.

Klee's Positives:
1. Solid, veteran, stay-at-home defenseman.
2. Tough player, stands up for his teammates and will fight when called for.
3. Doesn't cough up the puck very often.
4. Low price tag.

Klee's Negatives:
1. Slow.
2. Made some bad decisions in his 1st few games while adjusting to our system.
3. Poor shot from the point.

Rafalski's Positives:
1. Speedy as hell.
2. Moves the puck out of the defensive zone well.
3. Is comfortable in our system.

Rafalski's Negatives (Most of these only surfaced this season):
1. Often makes bad passes that get intercepted by the other team.
2. Barely shoots on goal any more, even on the PP, and even then usually misses the net.
3. Not physical, often gets pushed off the puck.
4. $4+ million price tag.

in the new NHL, I'll take Rafalski.

I'll take Rafalski any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Rafalski no doubt in my mind

does anyone know how good was klee in previous seasons, because I dont really know the guy, but from what I see in the devils there is nothing to compare, about those two.

Is there a lot of hockey talk on LSD fan forums?

Jeez, Klee? KLEE? Yes, Klee is cheaper and taller. Bully for him. Rafalski is forth in points and Martin is the only other D-man who is remotely offensively productive. I do think Rafalski is a little burnt out, but he does lead the team in ice time. Everyone seems down on Raffy lately, but this team wouldn't make out of the first round without him. Same thing with Colin White. They aren't Stevens and Nieds but, for better or worse, they're are our top two defensemen.

Why dont we compare Brodeur to Pylons?

:biglaugh:

I can't believe this is even a discussion. Klee may be playing better in NJ but he was a pylon in TO.

I can't believe this is even a discussion. Klee may be playing better in NJ but he was a pylon in TO.
You mean he was playing worse in TO? :sarcasm:

Eh he hasn't been as bad as some people make him out to be. But to say that Rafalski gives the puck up and Klee doesn't is ludicrous. If he makes the first pass out of the zone it's usually the last pass, either an icing or a giveaway.

Dumb dumb dumb comparison only someone with I HATE TIE DOMI's brand of hate for Colin White for Brian Rafalski could make this comparison and have Rafalski lose.

rafalski hands down

I don't even want to start. Do we need more Klee bashing around HF? :shakehead

Rafalski is 4th on the team with 45 points. Klee has less points than Colin White.

[QUOTE=devil122]Today I was looking at some forums and in one of them someone said that Klee is way better than rafalski, to my surprise many people agreed, what do you think?QUOTE]

What forum was this.. You sure he wasn't being sarcastic??

This is the worst/dumbest thread I've ever seen..Rafalski is our best defenseman....Hands down.

I don't even want to start. Do we need more Klee bashing around HF? :shakehead

The answer, obviously, is a resounding yes.

klee is much better at taking timely, costly penalties.

i can't believe the comparison was even made.

Is it even close? IMO Rafalski is one of the most underrated players in the league and one of the better transitional defenseman. I think that some of his sloppy play this year is more of a team issue than one with Rafalski himself. In other words, his play is sort of controled by whats going on around him. As the Devils started to play better this year so did Rafalski.

here's it is

http://www.devilsrule.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7310408

here's it is

http://www.devilsrule.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7310408

It's devilsrule... nowadays you can hardly take anything seriously on that site.

Rafalski easily. I feel the need to blame the entire Leafs season on Ken Klee's ineptitude.

The point of the thread was to give Klee a chance. Not whose better Klee or Rafalski.

My point in that thread and others agreed, was that people were ripping on Klee, he need time as Matty did to adjust to the system. I even state he's a solid 5/6 guy so nobody was comparing his talent to Rafalski.

My knock on Rafalski is he hasn't played up to his contract and has lost a step or two and coughs up the puck aplenty. He has gotten off without criticism and has been in the system for a quite awhile. Our PP has looked spotty at times with him at healm. While he has been playing better during the streak, so has the whole defense.

I suggest some of you bellends read the thread before thinking its a Rafalski vs. Klee thread comparison.

This was the original posting before you hacked it up to fit your agenda.


So I guess I'll attempt to summarize. Feel free to disagree, or add additional comments.

Klee's Positives:
1. Solid, veteran, stay-at-home defenseman.
2. Tough player, stands up for his teammates and will fight when called for.
3. Doesn't cough up the puck very often.
4. Low price tag.

Klee's Negatives:
1. Slow.
2. Made some bad decisions in his 1st few games while adjusting to our system.
3. Poor shot from the point.

Rafalski's Positives:
1. Speedy as hell.
2. Moves the puck out of the defensive zone well.
3. Is comfortable in our system.

Rafalski's Negatives (Most of these only surfaced this season):
1. Often makes bad passes that get intercepted by the other team.
2. Barely shoots on goal any more, even on the PP, and even then usually misses the net.
3. Not physical, often gets pushed off the puck.
4. $4+ million price tag.

Please discuss.

everyone has already answered your question, that the think rafalski is better. Your pros and cons list are horrible. raffy hasnt lost a step at all and is better defensively than ever

:eek:
Is this thread really nessecary?

This was the original posting before you hacked it up to fit your agenda.


So I guess I'll attempt to summarize. Feel free to disagree, or add additional comments.

Klee's Positives:
1. Solid, veteran, stay-at-home defenseman.
2. Tough player, stands up for his teammates and will fight when called for.
3. Doesn't cough up the puck very often.
4. Low price tag.

Klee's Negatives:
1. Slow.
2. Made some bad decisions in his 1st few games while adjusting to our system.
3. Poor shot from the point.

Rafalski's Positives:
1. Speedy as hell.
2. Moves the puck out of the defensive zone well.
3. Is comfortable in our system.

Rafalski's Negatives (Most of these only surfaced this season):
1. Often makes bad passes that get intercepted by the other team.
2. Barely shoots on goal any more, even on the PP, and even then usually misses the net.
3. Not physical, often gets pushed off the puck.
4. $4+ million price tag.

Please discuss.


what? I hacked it up to fit my agenda. you copied exactly the same thing, I only added what was mostly talked about which was comparing the two players and even though that thread was supposed to be about klee getting "some love" many people talked rafalski. didnt they?

Let me put it this way: if you were to trade these two would you like to be on giving or recieving end on Rafalski?

Let me put it this way: if you were to trade these two would you like to be on giving or recieving end on Rafalski?


Well no one will dispute whose worth more via trade. Rafalski will fetch you more via trade.

Also Klee and Lukowich were brought in due to the injury of Matvichuk.

what? I hacked it up to fit my agenda. you copied exactly the same thing, I only added what was mostly talked about which was comparing the two players and even though that thread was supposed to be about klee getting "some love" many people talked rafalski. didnt they?


It wasn't a comparison of Klee vs. Rafalski talent wise, they both are different type of defensemen. The only knock on Rafalski has been this season on dr.com was that Matty got criticized, Cracker gets ripped on and the same for Klee. The only point I've read is that Rafalski hasn't played up to his contract and has turned over the puck many/plenty of times.

Rafalski is good, but not 4.2/year good.

I think he's good but slightly overpaid. Maybe 3.6-3.8

Rafalski is a #2 defenseman who has filled in the #1 quite admirably, and has been logging an insane amount of minutes this season.

Rafalski is good, but not 4.2/year good.

Maybe a little, but like AfroThunder said, 3.6-3.8. Not too big of a deal.

Rafalski is a #2 defenseman who has filled in the #1 quite admirably, and has been logging an insane amount of minutes this season.



Maybe a little, but like AfroThunder said, 3.6-3.8. Not too big of a deal.

The only reason that he's getting 4.2 is because he had an offer from the Rangers at similar money. Chalk it up to the "27" incident.

The only reason that he's getting 4.2 is because he had an offer from the Rangers at similar money. Chalk it up to the "27" incident.

Ok, but it isn't that big of a deal. We needed to retain him, so the overpayment of about 500k was justified. Not like it's going to kill anyone in the long run.

Ok, but it isn't that big of a deal. We needed to retain him, so the overpayment of about 500k was justified. Not like it's going to kill anyone in the long run.


Next year, he should come back @ 2/2.5 year.

Rafalski is a #2 defenseman who has filled in the #1 quite admirably, and has been logging an insane amount of minutes this season.



Maybe a little, but like AfroThunder said, 3.6-3.8. Not too big of a deal.


No. 2 is borderline laughable. He's a second pairing type guy and if he's not breaking out and setting up plays, then he's not worth the money alotted. Take the 4.2 and use it towards a big shot on the powerplay.

No. 2 is borderline laughable. He's a second pairing type guy and if he's not breaking out and setting up plays, then he's not worth the money alotted. Take the 4.2 and use it towards a big shot on the powerplay.

No. 2 is laughable? Are you ****ing kidding?

No. 2 is laughable? Are you ****ing kidding?

Pumpkin,

I'm not kidding, Rafalski isn't a number 2 defenseman. He is by default of the Scott's leaving but he's a 3/4 on a good team.

Our Best Defenseman.

Matvichuk
White
Rafalski
Martin
Hale
Lukowich
Klee
Abelin


There is a need to bring in a big shot to help convert some PP's into goals.

White over Rafalski?!??!

Rafalski is 4th on the team with 45 points. Klee has less points than Colin White.

Not exactly the best selling point when comparing defenseman. Considering the different styles the two play, you would be hard pressed to find a stat that makes one better than the other.

The only way you can tell is by actually watching the games....even if Rafalski had 0 points he's still a better defenseman than Ken Klee by a large margin.

Not exactly the best selling point when comparing defenseman. Considering the different styles the two play, you would be hard pressed to find a stat that makes one better than the other.

The only way you can tell is by actually watching the games....even if Rafalski had 0 points he's still a better defenseman than Ken Klee by a large margin.

Rafalski is paid 4.2/year and Klee is paid 1.something. Klee is a UFA and will probably walk, he was brought on board to help out in case Matty back was still wonky. Clearly they are different type of talents.

Klee wasn't brought in to replace anyone/step up and to elevate his game. From all accounts, he's a good guy that other players want to be around and is there to another big body Defensemen that Lou likes. He has been playing well as of late (the whole defense corps for that matter).