Ken Klee

The worst Dmen in Devils history?

:dunno:

Get Him Outta Here!

how much does he make?
:eek:

The worst Dmen in Devils history?

:dunno:

Never thought he'd have competition in this category, but Klee is giving Sean O'Donnell a run for his money.

So this begs the questions who would you rather have right now

Ken Klee
or
Vlad Malahkov

So this begs the questions who would you rather have right now

Ken Klee
or
Vlad Malahkov

Richard Smhelik.

Or a pylon.

how much does he make?
:eek:

According to the NHLPA site, he makes $1.9 million. Not sure if he's under contract after this season.

He was signed by the Leafs just prior to the 2003-04 season. At the beginning of this season, he was into his third season with the Leafs (that includes the lock out year). I'm pretty sure he's free to walk after this season.

According to the NHLPA site, he makes $1.9 million. Not sure if he's under contract after this season.

Nope, UFA after this season . .

Be thankful.

Kenny was a solid d-man in the old NHL, but in the new NHL where clutching and grabbing isn't tolerated, he is no more than a 5th d-man who will take penalties or have forwards blow by him.

Nope, UFA after this season . .

Be thankful.


Amen to that!!!! :clap:

The worst Dmen in Devils history?

:dunno:


This may go down as the overstatement of the year...You obviously didn't see a lot of the 1980's Devils.

This may go down as the overstatement of the year...You obviously didn't see a lot of the 1980's Devils.

Seriously - I was thinking of 1980 US hockey dman Jack O'Callahan. Schoenfeld would dress 7 dmen and only play O'Callahan on the PP because he was so bad in his zone.

This may go down as the overstatement of the year...You obviously didn't see a lot of the 1980's Devils.

after watching klee for 4 games I think a pylon would be more help on d than Klee will.

after watching klee for 4 games I think a pylon would be more help on d than Klee will.Malakhov was much worse for the Devils this season than Klee. It is not even close. Klee has improved since his early struggles after the trade. Malakhov only chipped in the odd power play point and was terrible in his defensive zone.

Lou Lamoriello probably had an orgasm when Malakhov told him that he couldn't play anymore this year.

Sorry guys I cant help but :D

You people leave Ken Klee alone.

Klee was the best defense partner Aki ever had in the NHL.

It's the Devils' own fault for not acquiring Aki in that deal as well.

Klee looks lost without Aki at his side.

Aki Berg = Best 7th defenseman in the history of the NHL.

Not saying much.

You people leave Ken Klee alone.

Klee was the best defense partner Aki ever had in the NHL.

It's the Devils' own fault for not acquiring Aki in that deal as well.

Klee looks lost without Aki at his side.Klee has played solid hockey over the last few games. He was a scratch against Philadelphia along with his new partner David Hale, but he played pretty well in the Devils wins over Ottawa and Carolina.

Sorry guys I cant help but :DIs the grin Klee's because he is on the team in the 6th spot in the East and not 11th with only a handful of games remaining?

Great game against ottawa, especially 2 giveaways in first period

Klee has played solid hockey over the last few games. He was a scratch against Philadelphia along with his new partner David Hale, but he played pretty well in the Devils wins over Ottawa and Carolina.

Is the grin Klee's because he is on the team in the 6th spot in the East and not 11th with only a handful of games remaining?

Oh you thought it was an insult?

In that case :D

Oh you thought it was an insult?

In that case :D


great trade, thanks for taking lou to school

Do you think we could retire Klee's jersey with him in it next time we are behind, going into the 3rd?

Do you think we could retire Klee's jersey with him in it next time we are behind, going into the 3rd?

LMAO that would be a like xmas over again

LMAO that would be a like xmas over again


Klee has played pretty well lately...He is exactly what the Devils wanted heading into the playoffs..an experienced d-man who can bring stability during the stretch run. We traded a career minor leaguer who doesn't play defense and can't crack a subpar lineup in Toronto..Sorry, but it was a good trade. Once again, HF boards overhyping prospects who haven't brought a thing at the NHL level yet.

Aki Berg = Best 7th defenseman in the history of the NHL.

Not saying much.

7th Dman?

:biglaugh:

Where is this rock that you have been living under?

The worst Dmen in Devils history?

:dunno:
Two words: Pile Odeline.

Two words: Pile Odeline.


Lile was pretty good man, he would fight, and would score, he wasnt the fastest, but wasnt the dumbest either.

Lile was pretty good man, he would fight, and would score, he wasnt the fastest, but wasnt the dumbest either.
He was awful, I still remember him on a delayed penalty passing it hard to a vacant point and having it go all the way down the ice for Damian Rhodes only NHL goal.

This may go down as the overstatement of the year...You obviously didn't see a lot of the 1980's Devils.

Good point. The collection of underachievers, has beens and never weres all seemed to stop in NJ at some point in the 80s.
Giuys from Joe Cirella to Craig Wolanin to Bob Lorimer spring to mind.

I think I have already said my peace regarding Klee:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=4883045#post4883045

I think I have already said my peace regarding Klee:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=4883045#post4883045

I hate to point this out to you (not sure if anyone else has in the past, and if they have I'm sorry), but you spelled Ogie's last name wrong. It's supposed to be "Ogilthorpe".

However, it's a neat nickname.

:yo:

I hate to point this out to you (not sure if anyone else has in the past, and if they have I'm sorry), but you spelled Ogie's last name wrong. It's supposed to be "Ogilthorpe".

However, it's a neat nickname.The character is based on Bill "Goldie" Goldthorpe (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=6831). Ogie Ogilthorpe was played by Ned Dowd (inspiration for Ned Braden.) Dowd's sister Nancy Dowd wrote the screenplay to the movie. Goldthorpe was supposed to play his own character, but was feared to be too unstable to be trusted on a film set.

I hate to point this out to you (not sure if anyone else has in the past, and if they have I'm sorry), but you spelled Ogie's last name wrong. It's supposed to be "Ogilthorpe".

However, it's a neat nickname.

:yo:

I never knew how to spell his name, oh well.
I loved his afro, and how his story was in some ways repeated in real life by Bob Probert, who was deported by the US, I believe, only to have Canada reject him. Is that accurate?

Either way, no harm taken, we're all Devil fans here! :handclap:

I never knew how to spell his name, oh well.
I loved his afro, and how his story was in some ways repeated in real life by Bob Probert, who was deported by the US, I believe, only to have Canada reject him. Is that accurate?

Either way, no harm taken, we're all Devil fans here! :handclap:The story was from real life. It was based on Bill Goldthorpe. There is a good write-up on him on ESPN's Reel Life (http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020501.html), down near the bottom of the page where Paul Newman is punching a guy on the ice.

Here's a great article about Goldthorpe, "Ogilthorpe: The man behind the legendary film character (http://www.thebeerstore.ca/chill/Issue2/issue2-departments-beaverwatch-ogilthorpe.html)."

And here is a picture of a young Goldthorpe, even more menecing than in the movie,

Oh Please, Ken Klee hasnt been that bad......I could think of worse defensemen worse then Klee that we have had......Hers a list

1. Phil Houseley-Absolutely 1 of the worst pickups.
2. Dave Ellet- Although we did get Gilmour, so didnt look that bad
3. Vlad Malakhov- the 2nd time around 1st time he helped us to a cup.
4. Richard Smehlik- Wasnt that bad but also wasnt that great.
If i forgot anybody please fell free to add.

Dave Ellett was slightly worse, but Klee is giving Colin White a running for the top spot in the most hated current defenceman category in my mind. Lou should be banned with trading with Toronto, he gets hosed every single time.

Dave Ellett was slightly worse, but Klee is giving Colin White a running for the top spot in the most hated current defenceman category in my mind. Lou should be banned with trading with Toronto, he gets hosed every single time.
I agree the last few were bad but the Niedermayer trade more then makes up for it.

Tom Kurvers for Scott Niedermayer was sheer brilliance. Thank God we did not get the number one pick overall and take Eric Lindros. How many Cups has Lindros won?

BTW, the worst defenseman in Devils' history was Carol Vadnais. He sucked with the Rangers and played his final season with the Devils. He was walking on his skates by the time he got to New Jersey. He was a human pylon. Vad stopped coughing the puck up at least once a game during the 1978-79 season when the Rangers made the Finals, only to lose to Montreal in five. But when he played for the Devs, he made Ken Daneyko look like Bobby Orr.

Craig Wolanin was a great guy. Met him in a restaurant and he invited me over to his table for a drink while he was waiting for his date, who happened to be a cheerleader for the Nets. If I didn't have a date, I would have gone. He was a decent defenseman when he was healthy. Wolanin made a good pairing with Ken Daneyko.

Oh Please, Ken Klee hasnt been that bad......I could think of worse defensemen worse then Klee that we have had......Hers a list

1. Phil Houseley-Absolutely 1 of the worst pickups.
2. Dave Ellet- Although we did get Gilmour, so didnt look that bad
3. Vlad Malakhov- the 2nd time around 1st time he helped us to a cup.
4. Richard Smehlik- Wasnt that bad but also wasnt that great.
If i forgot anybody please fell free to add.
Boughner was definitely forgettable...I can't believe you kept Sean O'Donnell off this list.

I'm limiting my definition of terrible defensemen to the last ten years, if I was old enough to remember the Devils in the 80s I'd probably want to forget really bad.

okay after this penguins game he has to be the worst dmen i've ever seen.

"Craig Wolanin" :sarcasm:

i remember fetisov was horrible in his first season from soviet union, he was beat up and punk'd left and right...made ken klee look like lidstrom.

"Craig Wolanin" :sarcasm:

i remember fetisov was horrible in his first season from soviet union, he was beat up and punk'd left and right...made ken klee look like lidstrom.Fetisov was better than his fellow Soviets Alexei Kasatonov and Sergei Starikov. Strikov only played in 16 games before retiring, which is what he was going to do before Fetisov cleared it for him to come to North America. Fetisov shouldn't even be mentioned in "worst Devils defenseman" discussion. He finished second to Bruce Driver in scroring amnong defensemen. Fetisov may have had some struggles adjusting to the more physical NHL game during the year, but he was good defenseman overall.

If the league was played in Russia, Fetisov would be an NHL legend. He is one of the greates d-men of all time in Russia. Truly legendary. He has not been a behind the scenes defensive tudor for us for no reason.

The worst defenseman (limiting it to the last 10 seasons) is Vladimir Malakhov. All defenseman make mistakes but he actually cost us games. Ken Klee does not lose us games. He played on a team that is more offensive (Toronto) then the Devils and his role was a lot different. He has not been great for us by any means. He is slow and I think 7 of our defenseman are better then him. Klee is not even the 2nd worst. Odelein was horrific. He makes Andy Delmore look like a phenom. Definetely, Odelein was one of the top 2 worst defenseman on the Devils. Sean O'Donnel and Richard Shmelik were terrible as well.

One of the worst seasons I ever saw by a Devils defenseman was Colin White in 2002. But they way he has improved his game both discipline wise, and intellegence he is a different player now and one of our best.

Oh Please, Ken Klee hasnt been that bad......I could think of worse defensemen worse then Klee that we have had......Hers a list

1. Phil Houseley-Absolutely 1 of the worst pickups.
2. Dave Ellet- Although we did get Gilmour, so didnt look that bad
3. Vlad Malakhov- the 2nd time around 1st time he helped us to a cup.
4. Richard Smehlik- Wasnt that bad but also wasnt that great.
If i forgot anybody please fell free to add.

Lee Norwood for Paul Ysebaert.
Sergei Starikov.


Housley wasn't awful - he did the offensive job, but he was never a good defensive d-man so you couldn't expect it from him.

But I agree on Malakhov (both times IMO), Ellet, Smehlik.

Tom Kurvers for Scott Niedermayer was sheer brilliance. Thank God we did not get the number one pick overall and take Eric Lindros. How many Cups has Lindros won?

BTW, the worst defenseman in Devils' history was Carol Vadnais. He sucked with the Rangers and played his final season with the Devils. He was walking on his skates by the time he got to New Jersey. He was a human pylon. Vad stopped coughing the puck up at least once a game during the 1978-79 season when the Rangers made the Finals, only to lose to Montreal in five. But when he played for the Devs, he made Ken Daneyko look like Bobby Orr.

Craig Wolanin was a great guy. Met him in a restaurant and he invited me over to his table for a drink while he was waiting for his date, who happened to be a cheerleader for the Nets. If I didn't have a date, I would have gone. He was a decent defenseman when he was healthy. Wolanin made a good pairing with Ken Daneyko.

My god - so true about Vadnais. I remember one game him having a break and taking a slapshot from the top of the slot and missing the net by 4 feet. :biglaugh:

I agree the last few were bad but the Niedermayer trade more then makes up for it.

OK I'll edit. Anything in the new century he has been hosed in.

Better?

One of the worst seasons I ever saw by a Devils defenseman was Colin White in 2002. But they way he has improved his game both discipline wise, and intellegence he is a different player now and one of our best.

I just threw up in my mouth a little. :thumbd:

Fetisov was better than his fellow Soviets Alexei Kasatonov and Sergei Starikov. Strikov only played in 16 games before retiring, which is what he was going to do before Fetisov cleared it for him to come to North America. Fetisov shouldn't even be mentioned in "worst Devils defenseman" discussion. He finished second to Bruce Driver in scroring amnong defensemen. Fetisov may have had some struggles adjusting to the more physical NHL game during the year, but he was good defenseman overall.
Kasatonov was an excellent defenseman for the Devils. Personally I think he was a better NHL d-man than Fetisov. He was usually a big plus in plus/minus stats, scored some goals and was really smart, and man was he strong. Does anyone remember a fight with Ron Francis of all people? He just kind of carried Francis around the ice.

He fell out with Fetisov politically in the attempts to leave the USSR, being far more pragmatic about the possibilities of change. I know Fetisov was less than pleased to see him gaining the same benefits in the NHL later, and on the same team. However, when they were younger and playing in harmony for CSKA they were maybe the best defense pair in the world twenty years ago.

Lee Norwood for Paul Ysebaert.
Sergei Starikov.


Housley wasn't awful - he did the offensive job, but he was never a good defensive d-man so you couldn't expect it from him.

But I agree on Malakhov (both times IMO), Ellet, Smehlik.
Actually Ysebaert for Norwood is scarily like Suglobov for Klee; maybe slightly worse.

Klee's problem is that he doesn't have the size to compensate for his skating. He isn't great with his stick and doesn't have much of a reach. Klee has gotten by for a long time by always taking the body, but as the game has gotten faster, he has gotten slower and there is less hooking allowed. He has a little bit of skill but just isn't that effective anymore.

Just as long as he's not in tomorrow night's lineup. I feel a lot better about beating Montreal.