Giguere next year, Posting over in Leafs Board

Well I started this posting to gauge the idea of the Leafs trying to acquire Giguere based on the assumption Burke will go with the cheaper Bryzgalov.

Would love to get Duck fans reactions

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=233166

Thanks

Peter

Jiggy has turned around his play. I don't think there's anyway the Ducks trade him this offseason to be honest.

Well I started this posting to gauge the idea of the Leafs trying to acquire Giguere based on the assumption Burke will go with the cheaper Bryzgalov.

Would love to get Duck fans reactions

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=233166

Thanks

Peter

lol :biglaugh:

Antropov :biglaugh:

I don't want to join the fray over there, but I would disagree with your "100% certain" statement about Giguere being dealt.
Currently, there is no question that Giguere is the man here in Anaheim. The Ducks playoff hopes rest solely on him. It's not Bryzgalov winning these games and getting these starts on the stretch drive. If the Ducks make the playoffs, I would say it becomes even less likely that Giguere becomes available.
Quite frankly, Bryzgalov is going to have to clearly play Giguere out of a job. I don't think anyone would be too uncomfortable with a Giguere-Bryzgalov tandem going into next season. Of course it is worth noting that Bryzgalov will be an RFA this off season.

Well I started this posting to gauge the idea of the Leafs trying to acquire Giguere based on the assumption Burke will go with the cheaper Bryzgalov.

Would love to get Duck fans reactions

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=233166

Thanks

Peter

You guys are too worked up over 4 million. Remember the Salary cap is going up to maybe 45 million. The Maple Leafs have plenty of cash to cover Giguere's salary. He is our number one goalie and for a change he is actually earning his paycheck. You are going to have to give up something a lot better than Antropov if you want Giguere.

Well I started this posting to gauge the idea of the Leafs trying to acquire Giguere based on the assumption Burke will go with the cheaper Bryzgalov.

Peter
Oh please oh please will you take Gigueres contract off our hands so we can get Nik Antropov. :sarcasm:

No!

He is a slightly overpaid goaltender that can steal games. trading him would be a gigantic mistake...especially for Antropov.

He is a slightly overpaid goaltender that can steal games.
Considering the deals that Nabokov, Turco and Fernandez all received this year, I don't think he is overpaid. He'd definitely get more on the open market.

Actually this offseason I would offer an extension for the same amount, or slightly more.

Oh please oh please will you take Gigueres contract off our hands so we can get Nik Antropov. :sarcasm:

Now that is Toronto summed up in a nutshell!

i believe they call it 'poo-poo for gold'... toronto hates their own players, but when the discussion of trades come up, they always think they can land 'blue chips' and dump off their poo-poo err.. boom-boom.

Antropov is hated in T.O. ... he isn't really that bad, he deserves to be in the NHL, but as much as toronto likes to think of itself as a hockey city, they know nothing about players values with regards to trades...

Now that is Toronto summed up in a nutshell!

i believe they call it 'poo-poo for gold'... toronto hates their own players, but when the discussion of trades come up, they always think they can land 'blue chips' and dump off their poo-poo err.. boom-boom.

Antropov is hated in T.O. ... he isn't really that bad, he deserves to be in the NHL, but as much as toronto likes to think of itself as a hockey city, they know nothing about players values with regards to trades...
UMmmm antropov isn't hated... ummmm we are a hockey city and know alot about player values.

Umm . . What would you guys call a fair deal for Giguere?

Number 1 goaltender?
Top line left wing.

Umm . . What would you guys call a fair deal for Giguere?

From Toronto?

One of Rask or Pogge would have to be included in the deal.

Secondly a Left wing. Prefer a young LW who is ready to help right now but I don't see that on Toronto's roster. If we were going for a veteran winger, Tucker maybe.

I'm not going to ask for Steen because he is probably your one untouchable prospect/young player.

I don't really see Toronto and Anaheim being good trade partners here. Giguere would help Toronto but I don't see what the Leafs could offer the Ducks that would help them. Giguere is only on contract for next season and I don't see how he alone would make Toronto a cup contender before he is a UFA July 2007. I'd recommend that the Leafs completly rebuild and just sign a cheap veteran goalie to work with Tellqvist for next year until Rask and Pogge are ready.

In general what I'd want for Giguere is a young top 6 Left Wing and a top goalie prospect. The example I've used before is...

to Anaheim: Dubnyk and Torres

to Edmonton: Giguere

If the Ducks trade Giguere (not happening)...they regress about 3 years...IF..and that's a huge IF..Bryzgalov develops into a solid #1, I do not think it's happening anytime soon.

If the Ducks trade Giguere (not happening)...they regress about 3 years...IF..and that's a huge IF..Bryzgalov develops into a solid #1, I do not think it's happening anytime soon.

But you could just as easily say that in 3 years, Getzlaf/Perry/Lupul/Ryan/Smid/etc will all be matured and contributing in the lineup.

But you could just as easily say that in 3 years, Getzlaf/Perry/Lupul/Ryan/Smid/etc will all be matured and contributing in the lineup.

Odds are, at least a few of those guys will turn out to be disappointments in the long run.

Odds are, at least a few of those guys will turn out to be disappointments in the long run.

Probably, that's why letter grades were introduced on HF. However the organization would have a better idea of that in three years time then now. Plus there's also the '06 and '07 picks that would/could be in the mix.

But you could just as easily say that in 3 years, Getzlaf/Perry/Lupul/Ryan/Smid/etc will all be matured and contributing in the lineup.

In that case I'd still want a proven goalie in his prime leading the charge into the postseason, no?

That could just as easily be Bryzgalov as much as it could be Giguere.

From Toronto?

One of Rask or Pogge would have to be included in the deal.

Secondly a Left wing. Prefer a young LW who is ready to help right now but I don't see that on Toronto's roster. If we were going for a veteran winger, Tucker maybe.

I'm not going to ask for Steen because he is probably your one untouchable prospect/young player.

I don't really see Toronto and Anaheim being good trade partners here. Giguere would help Toronto but I don't see what the Leafs could offer the Ducks that would help them. Giguere is only on contract for next season and I don't see how he alone would make Toronto a cup contender before he is a UFA July 2007. I'd recommend that the Leafs completly rebuild and just sign a cheap veteran goalie to work with Tellqvist for next year until Rask and Pogge are ready.

In general what I'd want for Giguere is a young top 6 Left Wing and a top goalie prospect. The example I've used before is...

to Anaheim: Dubnyk and Torres

to Edmonton: Giguere

I like a healthy discussion and this is what it is. However i do disagree from your point that you need a top left winger for Giguere.

We're in a salary cap world man. Its very hard to trade a player who makes more than 3 million now. If Burke wants to shed some salary that is if Bryzgalov proves he is ready to be a number 1. Then i am pretty sure Giguere could be had for a Antropov, 2nd rounder or maybe Matt Stajan.

As a Leafs fan, i'd do it in a heartbeat. Antropov is a nice player who might benefit from a change of scenery. He can be a solid third liner for you guys.

We're in a salary cap world man. Its very hard to trade a player who makes more than 3 million now.

There is very little evidence either way to debate how the cap will change trading in the NHL. I want to see at least one full off season. With that said, Boston had NO trouble moving Thornton.

If Burke wants to shed some salary that is if Bryzgalov proves he is ready to be a number 1.

Two problems here. First, WHY would Burke want or need to shed salary? Ducks are well below the cap.

Second, Bryzgalov hasn't proven anything and won't until well into next season at the earliest.

Then i am pretty sure Giguere could be had for a Antropov, 2nd rounder or maybe Matt Stajan.

And I'm pretty sure it would take MUCH more than that offer to get Giguere. Only time will tell.

He can be a solid third liner for you guys.

Look at the roster. Anaheim has like a dozen guys already who are "solid third liners".

You have to give to get, Giguere's salary is in line with what comparable goaltenders are making. Anaheim has no need to dump salary, so that means Toronto will have to give fair value for him. Looking at the Ducks' needs, fair value is a top line left winger.

That could just as easily be Bryzgalov as much as it could be Giguere.

Could be, but I just don't think Bryzgalov has the mental toughness and focus Giguere brings night in and night out (except for that meltdown game obviously). Not sure if it's something that can be taught but I certainly don't like the way Bryzgalov seems to let down a little bit on the gimme shots or when the Ducks have a lead. I think also Bryzgalov could be a guy that will start yapping if he isn't the #1 guy here in the foreseeable future and that won't sit well with Burke/Carlyle...again...who knows...I just know he certainly doesn't have the mental aspect of the game down yet and that frightens me.

Then i am pretty sure Giguere could be had for a Antropov, 2nd rounder or maybe Matt Stajan.


If the Leafs could get Giguere for that and don't pull the trigger, then they ought to fire the GM immediately because he's clearly an idiot.

Could be, but I just don't think Bryzgalov has the mental toughness and focus Giguere brings night in and night out (except for that meltdown game obviously). Not sure if it's something that can be taught but I certainly don't like the way Bryzgalov seems to let down a little bit on the gimme shots or when the Ducks have a lead. I think also Bryzgalov could be a guy that will start yapping if he isn't the #1 guy here in the foreseeable future and that won't sit well with Burke/Carlyle...again...who knows...I just know he certainly doesn't have the mental aspect of the game down yet and that frightens me.

His scouting report (Bryzgalov's that is) is that he's been confident to a fault all the way along. That proves to be both one of his weaknesses and one of his strengths. It allows him to rebound from hard times (a la the AHL playoffs last year) and it also drives him farther down when things are going bad (a la the AHL regular season last year).
He without question believes that he can be a better goaltender then Giguere, that he can take his job away. He's stated it in numerous interviews. That points to a controversy sometime in the next few years, where the team will undoubtably have to decide between Giguere and Bryzgalov. Bryz's one-year contract this year is definitely a big part of that, as will his next contract this off-season and Giguere's UFA status in 2007.

He without question believes that he can be a better goaltender then Giguere, that he can take his job away. He's stated it in numerous interviews.

Yes, I would hope he believes he can be a #1 goalie here...I don't think any NHL goalie is really content with a backup role. A decision will have to be made in the not so distant future, I agree...I think there is too big of a drop off right now from Giguere to Bryzgalov currently. Even though the numbers are close, I just don't trust Bryzgalov in a big spot which is a Catch 22 of sorts as he'll never get the opporunity in a big spot here unless Giguere gets hurt (knock on wood) or gets moved. He ain't hurt and I don't think anyone in the organization wants to move him so....

It's a little further then him believing he can do the job, it all ties back to his extreme confidence and competitiveness.

Anyway, I agree with the Catch 22 idea. You can't get a job without experience, you can't get experience without a job.

There is very little evidence either way to debate how the cap will change trading in the NHL. I want to see at least one full off season. With that said, Boston had NO trouble moving Thornton.



Two problems here. First, WHY would Burke want or need to shed salary? Ducks are well below the cap.

Second, Bryzgalov hasn't proven anything and won't until well into next season at the earliest.



And I'm pretty sure it would take MUCH more than that offer to get Giguere. Only time will tell.


Thornton is a franchise player. Giguere IMO is a solid goaltender but i wont bring him up to the franchise label which i think Brodeur, Kipper and maybe Turco possess.

If you look at another example of what a good goaltender fetched, look at Theodore. He had a bad season and was traded for Aebisher for cap purposes.

Cap room is something that you cant get enough of. If Bryzgalov turns out to be a solid number 1, and he does have the potential, then i cant see why Burke wont trade him. Not many teams will give a first rounder for him. A top LW is rare these days man. You're talking about guys like Elias, Frolov, Gaborik, Ovechkin, Naslund, Havlat, Heatley .. blah blah ... who would trade those players for Giguere?

Toronto doesnt have to acquire Giguere. There are similar options in FA...Martin Gerber, Manny Legace, Dwayne Roloson. They have two good goalies developing in the minors. They just need a temporary solution.

How would Stajan, 2nd rd pick be?

Just curious how long does Giguere's contract run for and what are his salary figures exactly?

Thornton is a franchise player.

One who's never produced in the playoffs. If he had, he'd never have gotten dumped, and it's not like he went for nothing anyway.

Giguere IMO is a solid goaltender but i wont bring him up to the franchise label which i think Brodeur, Kipper and maybe Turco possess.

Kiprusoff, like Giguere, has one playoff run under his belt, and fewer good seasons. As for Turco, he has yet to have that great playoff run. If they get the franchise label, then Giguere certainly does.

If you look at another example of what a good goaltender fetched, look at Theodore. He had a bad season and was traded for Aebisher for cap purposes.

Theo makes more money and played worse. Giguere makes less money and is playing very well. Not the same thing, not even close.

Cap room is something that you cant get enough of.

Then why are you trying to trade for Giguere? You should just let your cap room man your nets.

Toronto doesnt have to acquire Giguere.

Anaheim doesn't have to trade him.

How would Stajan, 2nd rd pick be?

It'd be a joke. The Ducks have far better young players than Stajan, so they'd essentially be dumping Giguere for a future role player.

It only hurts my hands to type out Giguere's previous seasons numbers where he had SA%'s at .920, and the team was smelly etc...funny how that's always discounted. He is better than Legace and Roloson...and Gerber will be retained by Carolina I imagine. Toronto doesn't have to acquire Giguere? We agree on one thing then at least as by the same token Anaheim doesn't have to trade him. Funny how the logic is always that Anaheim could use the cap space, so (insert team here) will take him off your hands for nothing and this way you can use the cap space in some other way, while we use it more wisely on the goaltender you currently possess...because while he's eating away at your cap space, he will be a welcome addition to ours. Chris "Ludacris" Bridges indeed.

Edit: Yet again mmbt beats me to the punch like a leased mule.

One who's never produced in the playoffs. If he had, he'd never have gotten dumped, and it's not like he went for nothing anyway.



Kiprusoff, like Giguere, has one playoff run under his belt, and fewer good seasons. As for Turco, he has yet to have that great playoff run. If they get the franchise label, then Giguere certainly does.



Theo makes more money and played worse. Giguere makes less money and is playing very well. Not the same thing, not even close.



Then why are you trying to trade for Giguere? You should just let your cap room man your nets.



Anaheim doesn't have to trade him.



It'd be a joke. The Ducks have far better young players than Stajan, so they'd essentially be dumping Giguere for a future role player.

C'mon man Thornton was playing hurt last playoffs and he has completely transformed San Jose into Cup Contenders.

I've taken all your points and now the only thing that needs to be answered is what can Giguere fetch?

Tell me then...

I am certain even you dont think he should fetch a Havlat, Elias, Gaborik... then what ?

Tucker, i read somewhere, was mentioned but im pretty sure the Maple Leafs wont trade him. He's the heart and soul of the franchise.

Lets take Toronto out of the picture...whats Giguere's value?

First line left winger

Failing that, a veteran backup goaltender (who won't break the bank and isn't a UFA for another season) and a forward prospect who has top six potential (and plays on the left side) and pick(s).

Sound like too much?
Then you're starting to understand the point that we've been trying to tell you...

Then why are you trying to trade for Giguere? You should just let your cap room man your nets.


lol

C'mon man Thornton was playing hurt last playoffs and he has completely transformed San Jose into Cup Contenders.

His regular season ability has never been in question. Nor have his playoff failures. SJ winning a few games in the regular season doesn't make them any more Cup contenders than Anaheim is for having the 2nd best record in the west since Thanksgiving.

Lets take Toronto out of the picture...whats Giguere's value?

The thing with goalies is, they're either worth a lot or they're worth very little. And most of that has to do with playoff performance.

A guy like Giguere isn't as established as a playoff stud as a Brodeur, so obviously you're not getting back a superstar. But he's not a playoff choker either, so you can't be tossing him away for a 3rd liner and picks, that's just ridiculous. Would the Leafs do that if they were in the Ducks' position?

If you're giving up a solid starter who's shown he can handle playoff pressure, you damn well better at least be getting a 1st line player back. Otherwise, there's no doubt the team gets significantly worse. For what, to save a couple mil? You'll never be able to get a Giguere-caliber guy for his $4 mil, not when guys having worse seasons like Nabokov are getting extensions for $5 mil.

C'mon man Thornton was playing hurt last playoffs and he has completely transformed San Jose into Cup Contenders.

Cup contenders have to make the playoffs. That remains to be seen with the Sharks.

Lets take Toronto out of the picture...whats Giguere's value?

His value is the starting goal tender in Anaheim. You have never given any logically reason they'd trade him.

His regular season ability has never been in question. Nor have his playoff failures. SJ winning a few games in the regular season doesn't make them any more Cup contenders than Anaheim is for having the 2nd best record in the west since Thanksgiving.



The thing with goalies is, they're either worth a lot or they're worth very little. And most of that has to do with playoff performance.

A guy like Giguere isn't as established as a playoff stud as a Brodeur, so obviously you're not getting back a superstar. But he's not a playoff choker either, so you can't be tossing him away for a 3rd liner and picks, that's just ridiculous. Would the Leafs do that if they were in the Ducks' position?

If you're giving up a solid starter who's shown he can handle playoff pressure, you damn well better at least be getting a 1st line player back. Otherwise, there's no doubt the team gets significantly worse. For what, to save a couple mil? You'll never be able to get a Giguere-caliber guy for his $4 mil, not when guys having worse seasons like Nabokov are getting extensions for $5 mil.

You just convinced me. :)

His value is the starting goal tender in Anaheim. You have never given any logically reason they'd trade him.


Well if a team gets an excess of godo goalies then they might try to trade the more expensive one away. For example...Boston now has 3 nice goalies in Thomas, Raycroft, and Toivonen. Toivonen is considered the guy to take over in the future. Therefor they will trade one of the three and get whatever they can for him.

Thats what i thought in this place. If Bryzgalov becomes a solid goalie then Anaheim will consider trading him. Thats all what i thought...

Toronto doesn't need a J.S. Giguere, they need a friggin defense. In the last some odd years they've had Cujo and Belfour, two of the best goalies in the last decade and couldn't get over the hump. Good teams have a solid blueline and dependable checking forwards.

Now for us, we don't need to trade Jiggy. He is our most important player and our backup and hasn't done squat yet, except show that he gets rattled when he lets in a softie. Plus we have two fine goaltending prospects in the Q. I say we trade Bryz and sign Jiggy up to an extension. Since the Olympics Jiggy's save percentage is at .931. You can't ask for more than that.

Our team has significantly changed since 03 but we are playing frightenly similar to the way we did than and one of those similarities is Jiggy. We live and die with this guy and right now, we are very lively.

Well if a team gets an excess of godo goalies then they might try to trade the more expensive one away. For example...Boston now has 3 nice goalies in Thomas, Raycroft, and Toivonen. Toivonen is considered the guy to take over in the future. Therefor they will trade one of the three and get whatever they can for him.

Buffalo has had 3 goalies for what seems like 6 years. They never trade one.

Thats what i thought in this place. If Bryzgalov becomes a solid goalie then Anaheim will consider trading him. Thats all what i thought...

Read your own post... "If Bryzgalov becomes" . That's a big if and certainly isn't the case now.

Buffalo has had 3 goalies for what seems like 6 years. They never trade one.



Read your own post... "If Bryzgalov becomes" . That's a big if and certainly isn't the case now.


Because they didnt get a good offer. Buffalo HAD 3 potentially good goaltenders for 6 years and it is only this year that they had 2 good goaltenders, Miller and Biron. Noronen is still a potential good goaltender. Noronen is traded and if they would have recieved an offer for Biron they would have pulled the trigger. Same with Boston...if they will receive an offer regarding Raycroft they will ship him out.

No need in pointing out the value of Giguere because i realised he has good value.

See when a team has 3 good goaltenders than you have a problem. But when you have two, or in our case one good one and one rookie than there's not much discussion.

It's funny to think back about all the people who thought Steve Shields was going to take Ilya's spot. HA! Amazing how things change in six short months.

No need in pointing out the value of Giguere because i realised he has good value.

Yes there is a need because you offered up Antropov and a 2nd round pick. That is not good value in return.

You just convinced me. :)

I realised after that! God damnit ... :banghead:

Considering the deals that Nabokov, Turco and Fernandez all received this year, I don't think he is overpaid. He'd definitely get more on the open market.

Actually this offseason I would offer an extension for the same amount, or slightly more.
Now that I think about it, you are correct, look at all the goalies getting over 4 million... and Giguere basically has top 7 numbers across the board.
Trading him would be absolutely idiotic.

His scouting report (Bryzgalov's that is) is that he's been confident to a fault all the way along. That proves to be both one of his weaknesses and one of his strengths. It allows him to rebound from hard times (a la the AHL playoffs last year) and it also drives him farther down when things are going bad (a la the AHL regular season last year).
He without question believes that he can be a better goaltender then Giguere, that he can take his job away. He's stated it in numerous interviews. That points to a controversy sometime in the next few years, where the team will undoubtably have to decide between Giguere and Bryzgalov. Bryz's one-year contract this year is definitely a big part of that, as will his next contract this off-season and Giguere's UFA status in 2007.
I'd sign Giguere to an extension this off-season(2-3 years) and trade Bryzgalov, he probably has value to a team looking for a young #1, we could probably get a good forward or d prospect, and then sign a veteran back up for Giguere in the off-season.

Now that I think about it, you are correct, look at all the goalies getting over 4 million... and Giguere basically has top 7 numbers across the board.

Kolzig signed a two-year 10.9 million extension. Giguere is a bargain compared to that.

Trading him would be absolutely idiotic.

Amen.

We're in a salary cap world man. Its very hard to trade a player who makes more than 3 million now. If Burke wants to shed some salary that is if Bryzgalov proves he is ready to be a number 1. Then i am pretty sure Giguere could be had for a Antropov, 2nd rounder or maybe Matt Stajan.

As a Leafs fan, i'd do it in a heartbeat. Antropov is a nice player who might benefit from a change of scenery. He can be a solid third liner for you guys.

The salary cap is going up though. 45 million is definetly a possibility. So 4 million for a top 10 goalie is not a big deal.

Burke won't trade Giguere to dump salary. A team would have to give up something good. Antropov and a 2nd is basically garbage.

We do not need anymore third liners, we have too many. Antropov would be useless here.

Toronto doesnt have to acquire Giguere. There are similar options in FA...Martin Gerber, Manny Legace, Dwayne Roloson. They have two good goalies developing in the minors. They just need a temporary solution.

How would Stajan, 2nd rd pick be?

Just curious how long does Giguere's contract run for and what are his salary figures exactly?

Gerber is a good fit in Carolina he will re-sign there as long as they don't get cheap with him.

Giguere>>Legace and Roloson

Giguere is 3.99 million for next season. UFA July 07.

Gerber is a good fit in Carolina he will re-sign there as long as they don't get cheap with him.

Giguere>>Legace and Roloson

Giguere is 3.99 million for next season. UFA July 07.

True. But Burke would trade Giguere and his left nut if he thought he could bring Bertuzzi and few others to Anaheim. Sorry for the graphic analgy... It's late and I'm tired. I could have been a little more politically correct. Me bad.

True. But Burke would trade Giguere and his left nut if he thought he could bring Bertuzzi and few others to Anaheim. Sorry for the graphic analgy... It's late and I'm tired. I could have been a little more politically correct. Me bad.
Why would he want Bertuzzi? Dude has lost whatever edge he used to have. There were rumors Burke wanted to get rid of him, and rip apart the Canucks roster before he was fired.

Why would he want Bertuzzi? Dude has lost whatever edge he used to have. There were rumors Burke wanted to get rid of him, and rip apart the Canucks roster before he was fired.
I've always heard the opposite - that Burke loves Bertuzzi's style of play. Granted he's seemingly been "shell shocked" (for sheer lack of a better term) this year, if he were able to turn it around in another location, well then, it'd be another story. BB would grab onto him - Big Bert's his type of player, big, and physical.

I've always heard the opposite - that Burke loves Bertuzzi's style of play. Granted he's seemingly been "shell shocked" (for sheer lack of a better term) this year, if he were able to turn it around in another location, well then, it'd be another story. BB would grab onto him - Big Bert's his type of player, big, and physical.
He's not even physical anymore though, one thing about Burke is he doesn't evaluate based on reputation... Carney, Fedorov, and Sykora are proof. I'm not sure if a change will get Bertuzzi being back to himself, that's a risk I hope Burke doesn't take if it involves JSG..

Would not surprise me to see Bert & Cloutier (another BB fave) going to Ducks this summer. I think BB gave his old buddy Dave Nonis a pretty good deal on the Carney trade considering what guys were going for this year, and BB isn't going to do anybody any favours unless he is building IOUs. Personally I'd hate to see Bertuzzi leave but I think the writing is on the wall here in Vancouver. He'd be an excellent risk/reward pickup in the summer because I think he will respond to a change of scenery, especially to a market where he isn't the focal point of 24/7 news coverage. Last year of his contract next year so its not that big of a risk and he'll be motivated to improve his bargaining position. If he goes there I may have to start liking Anaheim even though they have the gayest team name in prosports (at least there dropping the Disney connection, but why not go a new direction altogether. New GM, new owners, new players never been a better time to change that pathetic nickname.

Cloutier in Ducks makes zero sense.

In other words,

NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

Yeah Bertuzzi has no place on this team. He makes too much, isn't who he used to be, doesn't play defense for ****, and is slow in the feet. We have been just fine this year witht the type of team that we have. No thanks, Todd Bertuzzi can play out his contract in Vancouver and than Burkey can try to get him discounted in 07.

. . . If he goes there I may have to start liking Anaheim even though they have the gayest team name in prosports (at least there dropping the Disney connection, but why not go a new direction altogether. New GM, new owners, new players never been a better time to change that pathetic nickname.

Yeah, we'll go with something stupidly macho, like the Anaheim Magnum44s.

We like the name Ducks thanks. :) :clap:

Would not surprise me to see Bert & Cloutier (another BB fave) going to Ducks this summer. I think BB gave his old buddy Dave Nonis a pretty good deal on the Carney trade considering what guys were going for this year, and BB isn't going to do anybody any favours unless he is building IOUs. Personally I'd hate to see Bertuzzi leave but I think the writing is on the wall here in Vancouver. He'd be an excellent risk/reward pickup in the summer because I think he will respond to a change of scenery, especially to a market where he isn't the focal point of 24/7 news coverage. Last year of his contract next year so its not that big of a risk and he'll be motivated to improve his bargaining position. If he goes there I may have to start liking Anaheim even though they have the gayest team name in prosports (at least there dropping the Disney connection, but why not go a new direction altogether. New GM, new owners, new players never been a better time to change that pathetic nickname.

Skinner and a 2nd rounder for Carney is a win/win trade imo.