Evaluate Burke's deadline deals

Skinner and a 2nd rounder for Carney and Ahlen.

A third rounder for Ozo.

O'Donnell for Perrault.

Friesen for a second rounder.

To be honest, I don't feel that good about what Burke did at the deadline today. Carney, Ozo...all gone. I will miss them. :( The people and picks we traded them for though aren't the things we were really looking for. Skinner looks promising and I like the aquistion of O'Donnell. Hopefully Friesen works out. :)

I'm fine with the Ducks' moves. I still have a faint hope that some late deals will break though (seems a few deals only are announced later in the day every year)

Carney for Skinner + 2nd; Pretty fair return for a UFA. I thik we owe them a 2nd or 3rd anyways in the summer for Carlyle, so it's more like Skinner/Carlyle for Carney.

Ozolinsh for a 3rd: I can only assume this was a salary dump move (also Ozo doesn't really fit the team style Burke is trying to build). I'd say it would have looked bad trading Ozo right after he is out of rehab, but he went to the Rangers who have a better shot this year than the Ducks and where his style of play will fit a lot better, so I don't think Ozo should mind.

2nd for Friesen: I really like this one. People are going to say Friesen bad-mouthed Anaheim after leaving them last time around, but that was a different owner/coach/GM/team/style. The current team I think fits Jeff nicely, his speed can keep up with McDonald and Selanne to form one dangerous line IMO.

J. Perrault for O'Donnell: Obviously to fill the Carney hole. I think Sean will be a good fit, and he's younger and cheaper than Carney was.

All in all, I had hoped Burke would be able to swing something to get Richards/Jokinen or a first-line LW, but without sacrificing our top prospects, that's a near impossible task.

Good job, I think the Ducks can still make the Playoffs if the get on a late season roll as they have been known to do in the past :handclap:

skinner is promising. he needs more time to develop. he was excellent during his college years.

talent wise, we are basically the same. Just a bit bigger and tougher. When you see what other guys were going for it doesn't look like a bad day at all.

Although Samsonov didn't go for anything high end.

overall: I'm indifferent on the impact on the NHL team, I don't understand why we give away Ozolinsh. He came back and played well, 2 gwg and someone to help the pp and you give him away for a 3rd round pick?

Skinner and a 2nd rounder for Carney and Ahlen.

Pretty good I guess

A third rounder for Ozo.

Kill me please

O'Donnell for Perrault.

Pretty good I guess

Friesen for a second rounder.

Kill me please

C-. Trying to understand the Ozolinsh trade, only reason I can think of is salary cap space. I still think Freisen could have been picked up for a 3rd or a 4th.

Lateral moves at best.

The teams ahead of the Ducks in the playoff race all got better and we are the same or maybe worse than we were yesterday.

Long term I think Burke didn't want 2.75 million commited to a guy that just got out of the substance abuse program.

I think the return on Carney was good and the O'Donnell trade was okay. I still don't like Friesen but I can live with the trade if he scores a few goals.

The weird thing was that we were both buyers and sellers.

The teams ahead of the Ducks in the playoff race all got better.
That is what I am worried about. The Oilers have gotten loads better, while it remans to seen if the King/Isle trade works out for the Kings.

How did Colorado get better? We are 6 points back from them with 3 games in hand and they traded for a netminder that wont play for a month....?

How did Colorado get better? We are 6 points back from them with 3 games in hand and they traded for a netminder that wont play for a month....?

agreed, Colorado got far, far worse

they now have to rely on a tandem of inexperienced goalies for a month, not to mention Svatos is injured.

hopefully we can catch up on them because I dont like our chances of catching the Oilers and Kings now

How did Colorado get better? We are 6 points back from them with 3 games in hand and they traded for a netminder that wont play for a month....?
And Svatos is out for the year.

Guess this may have been a cap move, the ducks save about a million for next year by replacing O'donnell for Ozolinsh and ended up with a solid defensive prospect as well.

Don't care much about the picks, I have no idea what that situation is.

How did Colorado get better? We are 6 points back from them with 3 games in hand and they traded for a netminder that wont play for a month....?

your right if there is one team ahead of us who did not improve it would be Colorado.

Maybe we can take a run at them.

agreed, Colorado got far, far worse

they now have to rely on a tandem of inexperienced goalies for a month, not to mention Svatos is injured.

hopefully we can catch up on them because I dont like our chances of catching the Oilers and Kings now


Even if Theodore was healthy the Avalanche don't have a goalie.
Detroit, Dallas, Calgary, Nashville, Los Angeles, Vancouver & Edmonton should have spots locked up. The only question is whether Colorado or Anaheim will make it.

I think Burke did a fairly good job. Carney for O'Donnell is pretty much lateral. There's no way Friesen can be like he was last time around(he still lives in the area, and now he's coming from one of the worst teams in the league), and could be a very good fit on that speedy first line. When you consider Carney for O'Donnell is pretty much a wash, getting Brent Skinner and a 2nd for Joel Perrault is pretty good.

As for the Ozolinsh deal, I don't mind it at all for the now, and it's awesome for the future. We never would've kept Carney at the price O'Donnell is signed for, and now we can either re-sign Rusty or go after a more offensive guy for much less than Ozo was making(around $2 million, I'd say) and Smid would still have a spot on the team. It also isn't as bad for the now as when you think about it, we've gotten this far without Ozolinsh and done well enough, why is it such a big deal to lose him again? He did have a couple GWGs in his games back, but I can't see us missing him that much. Wish we could've gotten more, though, like a Tomas Pock.

Overall, I would've liked to get Friesen(or maybe even sub him in for Geoff Sanderson) for less, and I would've liked to get more for Ozo, but I like what Burkey's done with this team. With Colorado going with two inexperienced goalies down the stretch(with one of their best players injured, too), I can see them start to slip, and I definetely think this is the team that'll catch them and force them out of the Western Conference playoff picture.

Does anybody know how the situation will work with Vancouver? If this team makes the play-offs do they get their second round pick back?

Does anybody know how the situation will work with Vancouver? If this team makes the play-offs do they get their second round pick back?

I was wondering about that. I am just guessing, but if the Ducks make the playoffs, then the second round pick will stay with the Ducks. If they don't, then the third rounder goes to the Nucks.

Pure speculation though.

Burke's deals were pretty solid IMHO.

Perrault for O'Donnell

OK deal. Losing Perrault doesn't hurt, it's just O'Donnell's cap number that is kind of dissapointing considering he will probably be short of a starting job next year.

Ozolinsh for 3rd Round Pick

This is a questionable one, but I understand Burke's logic. Ozo was due a lot of money next year and Burke probably wants to free up some more room for a guy like Jovo over the summer. It never hurts to get more draft picks either. It just seems like Burke could've gotten a 2nd + something.

2nd Round Pick for Friesen

I'm kinda scared about this one. Burke was definitly handled on the return for Friesen. I'd say his seven points this year should be worth a 4th rounder or a fringe prospect. Friesen playing on the top line could make that line scary quick though. I guess time will tell, so I won't doubt Burke yet.

Carney for Skinner and 2nd Round Pick

Good return for an upcoming UFA. Skinner seems like a solid prospect and a lock to make the NHL. Nice to see Burke actually ADD a 2nd rounder for a change ;). Carney will be missed, no question. It was obvious his reliability on defense on dropped this year, but its tough to loose a leaeder like that. Best of luck to him in B.C.

I'd grade his moves a B-.

Burke's deals were pretty solid IMHO.

Perrault for O'Donnell

OK deal. Losing Perrault doesn't hurt, it's just O'Donnell's cap number that is kind of dissapointing considering he will probably be short of a starting job next year.

Ozolinsh for 3rd Round Pick

This is a questionable one, but I understand Burke's logic. Ozo was due a lot of money next year and Burke probably wants to free up some more room for a guy like Jovo over the summer. It never hurts to get more draft picks either. It just seems like Burke could've gotten a 2nd + something.

2nd Round Pick for Friesen

I'm kinda scared about this one. Burke was definitly handled on the return for Friesen. I'd say his seven points this year should be worth a 4th rounder or a fringe prospect. Friesen playing on the top line could make that line scary quick though. I guess time will tell, so I won't doubt Burke yet.

Carney for Skinner and 2nd Round Pick

Good return for an upcoming UFA. Skinner seems like a solid prospect and a lock to make the NHL. Nice to see Burke actually ADD a 2nd rounder for a change ;). Carney will be missed, no question. It was obvious his reliability on defense on dropped this year, but its tough to loose a leaeder like that. Best of luck to him in B.C.

I'd grade his moves a B-.

Good anaysis. Pretty much agree, though I maybe would have kept Ozo.

if you clump everything together, it looks pretty good.

Perrault, Ozolinsh, Carney and a 2nd
for
O'Donnell, Freisen, Skinner, a 2nd and a 3rd

I don't know how Burke dealt a 2nd to WSH though, i thought that was dealt at the beginning of the season to PHI for Fedoruk.

Burke also has a conditional for the Rucchi deal and a conditional from PHX for Leclerc, right?

if you clump everything together, it looks pretty good.

Perrault, Ozolinsh, Carney and a 2nd
for
O'Donnell, Freisen, Skinner, a 2nd and a 3rd

I don't know how Burke dealt a 2nd to WSH though, i thought that was dealt at the beginning of the season to PHI for Fedoruk.

Burke also has a conditional for the Rucchi deal and a conditional from PHX for Leclerc, right?

The 2nd rounder dealt for Fedoruk was for the 05 draft. :)

Yes, we still have those conditional picks for the 07 draft. Most likely we will get a 4th round pick from Phoenix and a 2nd round pick from the Rangers. :)

I think Burke did a fairly good job. Carney for O'Donnell is pretty much lateral. There's no way Friesen can be like he was last time around(he still lives in the area, and now he's coming from one of the worst teams in the league), and could be a very good fit on that speedy first line. When you consider Carney for O'Donnell is pretty much a wash, getting Brent Skinner and a 2nd for Joel Perrault is pretty good.

As for the Ozolinsh deal, I don't mind it at all for the now, and it's awesome for the future. We never would've kept Carney at the price O'Donnell is signed for, and now we can either re-sign Rusty or go after a more offensive guy for much less than Ozo was making(around $2 million, I'd say) and Smid would still have a spot on the team. It also isn't as bad for the now as when you think about it, we've gotten this far without Ozolinsh and done well enough, why is it such a big deal to lose him again? He did have a couple GWGs in his games back, but I can't see us missing him that much. Wish we could've gotten more, though, like a Tomas Pock.

Overall, I would've liked to get Friesen(or maybe even sub him in for Geoff Sanderson) for less, and I would've liked to get more for Ozo, but I like what Burkey's done with this team. With Colorado going with two inexperienced goalies down the stretch(with one of their best players injured, too), I can see them start to slip, and I definetely think this is the team that'll catch them and force them out of the Western Conference playoff picture.
uhh friesen could very well be as bad as he was before. I give him 4 games to see if he's gonna give an effort. If he doesn't WAIVE HIM

Ozolinsh deal....meh. Didn't think they'd trade him for such a low price. Not a huge loss though, team did alright without him.

O'donnel deal....ok. Good for the 5th/6th spot.

Carney deal....didn't make sense after the Friesen deal, but it's a good return. Hate to see Keith go though.

Friesen deal....waiting to judge on this one. If he takes Kunitz's spot and produce, I'll like the deal. I do not like Jeff Friesen, I think he's a POS and that Burke could have gotten him for cheaper. Hopefully he works out.

uhh friesen could very well be as bad as he was before. I give him 4 games to see if he's gonna give an effort. If he doesn't WAIVE HIM

Very true. Friesen seems to be a player that doesn't play well when not motivated, and playing for the rebuilding Caps doesn't seem like much motivation. Playing with virtually no one doesn't help, either. I do think he'll perform well if motivated, but it IMO the question is whether playing for Anaheim will motivate him or not. One would assume that him not liking it here last time around was because we were a crap organization, as he still lives around the area and even skated with Ducks players at Anaheim Ice during the offseason IIRC, but, even though he is coming from a cellar-dwellar, he still seemed a bit disappointed to go here. I certainly hope he'll get motivated, but only time will tell.

I also think Burkie should've got him for much less, but GMGM seems to have a knack for fleecing teams around the deadline. Morrisonn, a first, and a second for Gonchar, who left Boston almost immediately, Aulin for Carter, Lang for a first and Fleischmann, Witt for Beech and a first rounder; all in all, he seems to do real well around this time. Friesen may be well worth the second rounder, but he might make the deal one of the worst since the Gauthier era. I'm hoping for the former, and I certainly think Friesen has the tools to make it work, so hopefully it all works out.

The teams ahead of the Ducks in the playoff race all got better and we are the same or maybe worse than we were yesterday.


Right. The Oilers get Samsonov and we get Friesen. We lose on that one.

Lets wait on that for a bit eh? teh Mac and selenne line made a 14 goal scorer out of Chris Kunitz so lets see what they can do with a faster, more skilled player.


I cant wait until Chistov is back so I can say Mac and Cheese. :)

Lets wait on that for a bit eh? teh Mac and selenne line made a 14 goal scorer out of Chris Kunitz so lets see what they can do with a faster, more skilled player.


I cant wait until Chistov is back so I can say Mac and Cheese. :)

:D

I don't get it. McDonald is right. Are we buyers or sellers? On the back end we got worse offensively and defensively. On the front end we got....Friesen. We save a tiny bit of money overall.

I dunno. Whatever.

A lot of people are saying the Ducks got along well without Ozo, but getting along well means out of the playoff picture. Having Ozo adds more offensive arsenal to the defense and PP units. Seriously, Ozo vs DiPenta? Who would you rather have? Unless Smid is being brought up soon, this seems like a knee jerk reaction to the substance abuse since the Ducks are only getting a 3rd round pick.

Lets wait on that for a bit eh? teh Mac and selenne line made a 14 goal scorer out of Chris Kunitz so lets see what they can do with a faster, more skilled player.


I cant wait until Chistov is back so I can say Mac and Cheese. :)
That's assuming they jerk Kunitz off that line.

I don't get it. McDonald is right. Are we buyers or sellers? On the back end we got worse offensively and defensively. On the front end we got....Friesen. We save a tiny bit of money overall.

I agree. I don't mind trading Carney if the return was good (I know nothing about Skinner, I'll leave that up to you guys) and I don't mind having Ozo off the books. O'Donnell's not a bad guy to have around. The Friesen deal is bewildering. Why bother?

Divide these deals up into two aspects:

1. The remainder of this season (and possibly the playoffs); and

2. Everything after that.

For the remainder of this season:

Gained: Friesen, O'Donnell
Lost: Ozolinsh, Carney (and Penner, in a way)

Lateral move at best, I think. A halfway decent Ozo could have helped our offense more than Friesen.

And for everything after this season:

Gained: O'Donnell (for one season), Brett Skinner, 2nd round draft pick (Islanders), 3rd round draft pick (Rangers), roughly $1 million off the cap for next year (the difference in Ozolinsh's and O'Donnell's salaries).

Lost: Sandis Ozolinsh (for one season), Joel Perreault, Juha Alen, 2nd round draft pick.

So basically, we're sellers, which is fine with me, since I don't think the odds are all that great that we'll make the playoffs anyway.

Something that occurred to me: The Ducks may have needed to free up salary *this* year in order to negotiate sign Teemu and Salei to extensions. Of course, since none of us has any f***ing idea how the salary cap works, who can say, but chalk that up as a possible gain beyond this year if Burke actually manages to get it done.

talent wise, we are basically the same. Just a bit bigger and tougher. When you see what other guys were going for it doesn't look like a bad day at all.

Although Samsonov didn't go for anything high end.

overall: I'm indifferent on the impact on the NHL team, I don't understand why we give away Ozolinsh. He came back and played well, 2 gwg and someone to help the pp and you give him away for a 3rd round pick?

Don't get too caught up in that two game-winning goal stuff. The play happened right in front of our seats, and, as the unofficial scorer, I gave Patrick Marleau the GWG and I voted for him as the Number One Star. :)

I agree. I don't mind trading Carney if the return was good (I know nothing about Skinner, I'll leave that up to you guys) and I don't mind having Ozo off the books. O'Donnell's not a bad guy to have around. The Friesen deal is bewildering. Why bother?

Divide these deals up into two aspects:

1. The remainder of this season (and possibly the playoffs); and

2. Everything after that.

For the remainder of this season:

Gained: Friesen, O'Donnell
Lost: Ozolinsh, Carney (and Penner, in a way)

Lateral move at best, I think. A halfway decent Ozo could have helped our offense more than Friesen.

And for everything after this season:

Gained: O'Donnell (for one season), Brett Skinner, 2nd round draft pick (Islanders), 3rd round draft pick (Rangers), roughly $1 million off the cap for next year (the difference in Ozolinsh's and O'Donnell's salaries).

Lost: Sandis Ozolinsh (for one season), Joel Perreault, Juha Alen, 2nd round draft pick.

So basically, we're sellers, which is fine with me, since I don't think the odds are all that great that we'll make the playoffs anyway.

Something that occurred to me: The Ducks may have needed to free up salary *this* year in order to negotiate sign Teemu and Salei to extensions. Of course, since none of us has any f***ing idea how the salary cap works, who can say, but chalk that up as a possible gain beyond this year if Burke actually manages to get it done.

I agree with most of your analysis. However, I don't agree with your "roughly $1 million off the cap for next year (the difference in Ozolinsh's and O'Donnell's salaries)" comment. I know that Carney is an upcoming UFA. So, either we eliminate his salary entirely without any compensation or we pick up Skinner and the 2nd, essentially, for nothing. Either way, Carney's next-year's salary--whatever that would've been--is off the books.

As for Friesen, if he doesn't hustle and produce, Burke won't re-sign him. So, all we're committing to is his salary for the balance of the season.

One final thought: several of us, including me, have been scratching our heads over whether we were buyers or sellers at the deadline. My guess is that Burke would have preferred to be a seller, but the message that it would have sent to (1) the players and (2) the fans would have created a lot of bad PR. Thus, he shed some salary, tried to convince himself and others that O'Donnell=Carney and added Friesen who, if he bombs out, simply won't be re-signed. Meanwhile, (1) he doesn't lose Carney for nothing, (2) he sheds some salary and (3) if Friesen doesn't work out, he sheds a lot more. Skinner might turn out to be a pleasant surprise.

I agree with most of your analysis. However, I don't agree with your "roughly $1 million off the cap for next year (the difference in Ozolinsh's and O'Donnell's salaries)" comment. I know that Carney is an upcoming UFA. So, either we eliminate his salary entirely without any compensation or we pick up Skinner and the 2nd, essentially, for nothing. Either way, Carney's next-year's salary--whatever that would've been--is off the books.

Who said anything about Carney's salary?

Who said anything about Carney's salary?

I didn't think my comment was ambiguous, but just in case, here goes. Under gains, you concluded that it is "roughly $1 million off the cap for next year". The way I look at it, it's roughly $3.5 million plus off next year's cap when you remove Carney's salary.

The whole point is that you didn't say anything about Carney's salary and I think you should have. As for Friesen's salary, my guess is that---barring an exceptional performance, he's just a rental.

One thing to keep in mind is we lose Penner from our lineups.

Kunitz takes his spot on the 3rd line, and friesen plays on the top line.

I think the Carney trade was amazing considering we have O'Donnel to replace him and we need mroe toughness. I love Carney, but we got a good prospect from the sounds of it and shed some cash too. We also have another defenseman under contract for next year (and give us some leverage dealing with Salei).

I do not like the Ozo move. I think it would have been great to have 2 great puck carrying defenseman and paid Ozo with someone defensively responsible. I think they must have a lot of faith in other guys, but besides Scott and maybe a little in Beuchamein, I don't see it...

Friesen for a 2nd rounder... eh... gamble, but I would have rather had Samsonov, and given up Kunitz, but what can u do...

What will be the litmus of these deals is the offseason, obviously Burke thought the market was better for sellers, and we freed up a lot more cash... what we do with it remains to be seen.

If we make it into the playoffs, gets better revenues, sell more season tickets, I think he'll use the cash

One thing to keep in mind is we lose Penner from our lineups.

Kunitz takes his spot on the 3rd line, and friesen plays on the top line.

I think the Carney trade was amazing considering we have O'Donnel to replace him and we need mroe toughness. I love Carney, but we got a good prospect from the sounds of it and shed some cash too. We also have another defenseman under contract for next year (and give us some leverage dealing with Salei).

I do not like the Ozo move. I think it would have been great to have 2 great puck carrying defenseman and paid Ozo with someone defensively responsible. I think they must have a lot of faith in other guys, but besides Scott and maybe a little in Beuchamein, I don't see it...

Friesen for a 2nd rounder... eh... gamble, but I would have rather had Samsonov, and given up Kunitz, but what can u do...

What will be the litmus of these deals is the offseason, obviously Burke thought the market was better for sellers, and we freed up a lot more cash... what we do with it remains to be seen.

If we make it into the playoffs, gets better revenues, sell more season tickets, I think he'll use the cash

Agree with pretty much everything you said. Minor critque though is that Kunitz is going to go to the second line, not the third line. Otherwise, good post. :clap:

Minor critque though is that Kunitz is going to go to the second line, not the third line.

The Ducks don't have a 2nd line. Not a real one anyway. I'd say its more than fair to call the Marchant line the 3rd and the Pahlsson line the 4th. Leaving the kids plus Fedoruk as who knows what. Some nights the kids play awesome, other nights not so good. And either way they struggle to get ice time from Carlyle.

The Ducks don't have a 2nd line. Not a real one anyway. I'd say its more than fair to call the Marchant line the 3rd and the Pahlsson line the 4th. .

Fully agreed. Lupul is the only legit 2nd liner we have.

If Getzlaf and Perry start playing a bit more consistantly they can provide some good scoring support. It seems like that line and Lupul's line are in between the second and third lines. Why not move Lupul to the Getzlaf and Perry line for a couple of shifts and see what happens?

Don't get too caught up in that two game-winning goal stuff. The play happened right in front of our seats, and, as the unofficial scorer, I gave Patrick Marleau the GWG and I voted for him as the Number One Star. :)
You're right, but he took the shot that created that situation, we'll see what happens, maybe Burke anticipates the cap only going up a little bit.

If Getzlaf and Perry start playing a bit more consistantly they can provide some good scoring support. It seems like that line and Lupul's line are in between the second and third lines. Why not move Lupul to the Getzlaf and Perry line for a couple of shifts and see what happens?
Lupul line has no one that can do anything offensively except himself.

Lupul line has no one that can do anything offensively except himself.

Yes, why waste what offensive power that Lupul may have by putting him on a prototypical third line? Put him with Getzlaf and Perry (though both Perry and Lupul are RW's) and see what happens...if nothing then move him back to scrounging for goals from loose pucks in the slot and rebounds.

I like that idea. Getzlaf and Perry can create all the space the pansy Lupul needs to be effective.

I didn't think my comment was ambiguous, but just in case, here goes. Under gains, you concluded that it is "roughly $1 million off the cap for next year". The way I look at it, it's roughly $3.5 million plus off next year's cap when you remove Carney's salary.

The whole point is that you didn't say anything about Carney's salary and I think you should have. As for Friesen's salary, my guess is that---barring an exceptional performance, he's just a rental.

Why should I have said anything about Carney's salary? He was going to be an unrestricted free agent whether or not he stayed with the Ducks. Trading him changed nothing. I was looking at what actually changed in regards to the trades.