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Randall Graves* 03-07-2006, 03:37 AM Nothing against the guy, he plays hard, he's a nice player and all but we've gotta get this guy off the top line. he doesn't create chances unless andy mac or teemu put them on his stick. put him on the fourth line and either penner or lupul on the top line.
penner or lupul/mcdonald/selanne
penner or lupul/getzlaf/perry
RG and CP have been dangerous when they are given the chance, 2nd line minutes are better used towards getz/perry than kunitz/marchant imo
Spankatola Jamnuts 03-07-2006, 03:57 AM I agree but the other options aren't much better for production. We need outside help.
At least Kunitz hits.
afterhours 03-07-2006, 04:10 AM I agree as well. Kunitz has the speed, but he isn't aggressive at making plays.
McDonald19 03-07-2006, 04:36 AM Nothing against the guy, he plays hard, he's a nice player and all but we've gotta get this guy off the top line. he doesn't create chances unless andy mac or teemu put them on his stick. put him on the fourth line and either penner or lupul on the top line.
penner or lupul/mcdonald/selanne
penner or lupul/getzlaf/perry
RG and CP have been dangerous when they are given the chance, 2nd line minutes are better used towards getz/perry than kunitz/marchant imo
Lupul isn't a left wing and Penner hasn't been overly impressive lately. Kunitz is the best choice right now until Burke can add someone.
keep in mind that Kunitz as the left wing is the one doing all the defensive work allowing Selanne and McDonald to be creative offensively.
Pepper 03-07-2006, 05:23 AM When can we call the end for the Hedström experiment?
cheesymc 03-07-2006, 01:04 PM It would be ideal to get a true finisher with Teemu and Andy, like in the trade rumors suggested Geoff Sanderson. Kunitz is just a good 3rd-4rth liner.
Penner wouldnt do well with Teemu and Andy either. He just doesn't have the puck handling skills and speed to play with them. He's big and can protect the puck, but he normally just loses the biscuit by himself. Overall, he should be playing on the 3rd or 4rth line and needs to work on everything. Otherwise, the ducks will not score enough since he cant finish many of his chances (like that near open netter in the columbus game).
Pepper- what do u mean Hedstrom experiment? He's playing on the 3rd line?
Chistov23 03-07-2006, 01:13 PM He took a cortisone (spl??) shot last week for his ankle, that I'm sure is effecting him. We just don't have a better fit for that line so until then he will continue to be there.
lux_interior 03-07-2006, 03:34 PM Thank you Rally Killer. I've always said that Kunitz is a borderline NHL player. At best he should play on the 4th line. But second line? C'mon...that's pushing the envelope toooooo much. Put someone there who fits with Teemu and AndyMac.
Put someone there who fits with Teemu and AndyMac.
Simple question for you: who?
lux_interior 03-07-2006, 03:46 PM Simple question for you: who?
Well, I think that's the obvious problem. There is nobody. If we could acquire, as another thread suggests, Geoff Sanderson. I think his speed and skill set would fit nicely with them. Unfortunately, as you so cleverly intimate by your question, we have no-one currently.
The Fedoruk-Getzlaf-Perry line I would hate to break up. R. Nieds...I don't know if he plays LW...but then you break up the Pahlsson line. So basically we're forced to play Kunitz where he shouldn't play.
McDonald19 03-07-2006, 04:21 PM The Fedoruk-Getzlaf-Perry line I would hate to break up. R. Nieds...I don't know if he plays LW...but then you break up the Pahlsson line. So basically we're forced to play Kunitz where he shouldn't play.
Rob or Fedoruk would be less productive on the Selanne line than Kunitz is.
Getzlaf and Perry are not LWs.
MightyAdam 03-07-2006, 04:42 PM Kunitz has 14 goals and is gonna proabably finish the season with about 20 goals. I don't see why you would take him off the first line, especially since he does have speed and does hit. Speed kills.
Randall Graves* 03-07-2006, 06:20 PM I agree but the other options aren't much better for production. We need outside help.
At least Kunitz hits.
The way I see it is Getzlaf and Perry are more gifted offensively and by giving them the minutes kunitz/marchant get that in itself could generate some more goals. the question is defensively, where Marchant excels and the kids do not.
bleuer 03-07-2006, 06:23 PM Kunitz takes too many stupid penalties...but he's the best fit for the 1st line at the moment...
Randall Graves* 03-07-2006, 06:27 PM Rob or Fedoruk would be less productive on the Selanne line than Kunitz is.
Getzlaf and Perry are not LWs.
Kunitz doesn't do anything, that's the problem. his only assets are scoring in alone on the goalie, speed, and hitting guys. He has no offensive creativity at all, we need to get Rob Niedermayer going...throw him on that line if you want, the ducks just need a guy on that line that's a threat and Kunitz isn't. You could probably Lupul on his off wing since his best shot is the wrist shot, he's really not getting any scoring chances with his linemates.
I'd just like to see the lines shaken up, maybe some of that chemistry is gone that was there pre-olympics. I also think it would be better for Getzlaf and Perry to play more..it makes no sense to have Kunitz and Marchant playing more than them.
MightyAdam 03-07-2006, 06:37 PM its good to see Getzlaf getting more ice time (he had over 16 minutes last game), but I would like to see Perry have more also
you can see that they seem to have a lot of scoring chances...Perry and Getzlaf, and so it would make sense to give them more minutes
I think the Marchant line would make a better third line, yet with Lupul being second on the team with goals, I don't see that happening
if Arnason is trade here though, I could see him centering Lupul and Penner..but then where would Marchant play? You can't really break up the Nidermeyer line, you can't break up the Selanna line...and so the only way I can see that happening is if they decided to maybe put Getzlaf on the top line...centering Selanne and McDonald (not likely), and have Marchant center Perry and Fedoruk on the fourth line
I know they want Perry and Getzlaf to play together, and so they will probably go after a winger
I wouldn't be suprized to see Kunitz included in some sort of trade either
McDonald19 03-07-2006, 07:03 PM Kunitz doesn't do anything, that's the problem. his only assets are scoring in alone on the goalie, speed, and hitting guys. He has no offensive creativity at all, we need to get Rob Niedermayer going...
Rob is more comfortable as a third liner, it never works when we try to play him on a scoring line.
lux_interior 03-07-2006, 07:59 PM Rob or Fedoruk would be less productive on the Selanne line than Kunitz is.
How do you know? I think you could put a generic NHL forward with AndyMac and Selanne and he'd have quite a few goals.
Spankatola Jamnuts 03-07-2006, 08:15 PM its good to see Getzlaf getting more ice time (he had over 16 minutes last game), but I would like to see Perry have more also
Perry will have more minutes when he plays better in is own end.
McDonald19 03-07-2006, 09:53 PM How do you know? I think you could put a generic NHL forward with AndyMac and Selanne and he'd have quite a few goals.
Hey I'm a big Fedoruk fan but come on he is not going to score more goals than Kunitz no matter who he plays with, and Rob is good along the boards and a good defensive forward but I never expect him to produce much offensively no matter who his linemates are.
sammyp 03-07-2006, 10:04 PM Bottom line is, we need another top six forward. We won't need one for long because with the progression of Getzlaf, Perry, Lupul, Penner, Ryan, etc., were not going to need a long term type guy. Hopefully Burke can get a guy like Sanderson for cheap, then we'd look like this.
Sanderson-McDonald-Selanne
Penner-Marchant-Lupul
Hedstrom/Kunitz-Pahlsson-Niedermayer
Fedoruk-Getzlaf-Perry
Obviously Marchant should be upgraded, but I don't think Burke will add TWO top six forwards at the deadline, it's just too hard to do without giving up a "young core guy". Savard or Jokinen over the summer will fix all that.
lux_interior 03-07-2006, 11:54 PM Hey I'm a big Fedoruk fan but come on he is not going to score more goals than Kunitz no matter who he plays with, and Rob is good along the boards and a good defensive forward but I never expect him to produce much offensively no matter who his linemates are.
No argument re: Todd. But R. Nieds has 10 goals playing with considerably less creative linemates. I'm pretty sure he could get at least 4 more playing with our big 2, plus create more chances for them.
Ducksforcup 03-08-2006, 12:09 AM I agree with bleuer. He is the best fit for the top line...not exactly ideal, but he does have over 10 goals. :)
Spankatola Jamnuts 03-08-2006, 12:19 AM No argument re: Todd. But R. Nieds has 10 goals playing with considerably less creative linemates. I'm pretty sure he could get at least 4 more playing with our big 2, plus create more chances for them.
Maybe earlier in the season, but I think that Rob's concussion set him back about 4 years. He's making soft plays and taking stupid penalties.
lux_interior 03-08-2006, 12:21 AM I'm pretty much just playing devil's advocate at this point. Nobody from our current roster really fits on that line. An acquisition via trade is the only hope for this season.
lux_interior 03-08-2006, 12:24 AM Meant to say Kunitz may someday develop into a top 6 forward, but he's not there now.
Chistov23 03-08-2006, 01:32 AM Maybe earlier in the season, but I think that Rob's concussion set him back about 4 years. He's making soft plays and taking stupid penalties.
Yea I was hoping the Olympic break would help him return to form but it hasn't, to bad to he was having a really good season.
Sanderson-McDonald-Selanne
Penner-Marchant-Lupul
Hedstrom/Kunitz-Pahlsson-Niedermayer
Fedoruk-Getzlaf-Perry
If we did get Sanderson I think he would replace Penner, who would be sent to Portland for their playoff run.
lux_interior 03-08-2006, 01:36 AM If we did get Sanderson I think he would replace Penner, who would be sent to Portland for their playoff run.
That would be good.
sammyp 03-08-2006, 01:43 AM Yea I was hoping the Olympic break would help him return to form but it hasn't, to bad to he was having a really good season.
If we did get Sanderson I think he would replace Penner, who would be sent to Portland for their playoff run.
Well, our playoff run is more important that Portlands. IMO, Penner has been performing better than Kunitz. Hedstrom has been disappointing of late too. If it was my choice, Hedstrom or Kunitz would be sent to Portland.
Randall Graves* 03-08-2006, 01:49 AM Bottom line is, we need another top six forward. We won't need one for long because with the progression of Getzlaf, Perry, Lupul, Penner, Ryan, etc., were not going to need a long term type guy. Hopefully Burke can get a guy like Sanderson for cheap, then we'd look like this.
Sanderson-McDonald-Selanne
Penner-Marchant-Lupul
Hedstrom/Kunitz-Pahlsson-Niedermayer
Fedoruk-Getzlaf-Perry
Obviously Marchant should be upgraded, but I don't think Burke will add TWO top six forwards at the deadline, it's just too hard to do without giving up a "young core guy". Savard or Jokinen over the summer will fix all that.
I really don't think investing in Savard/Jokinen long term is a good idea unless you move Amac back to the wing. Getzlaf MUST be the 2nd line center next year..no excuses, he's easily the 2nd best offensive center right now..
McDonald19 03-08-2006, 06:08 AM Well, our playoff run is more important that Portlands. IMO, Penner has been performing better than Kunitz. Hedstrom has been disappointing of late too. If it was my choice, Hedstrom or Kunitz would be sent to Portland.
I haven't been too impressed with Penner lately. Kunitz and Hedstrom are waiver guys and are better skaters and better defensive players there is no way that they would be sent to Portland before Penner.
Penner still has a lot of things to work on and being Portland's main weapon in their playoff run would not be a bad thing.
sammyp 03-08-2006, 07:43 PM I haven't been too impressed with Penner lately. Kunitz and Hedstrom are waiver guys and are better skaters and better defensive players there is no way that they would be sent to Portland before Penner.
Penner still has a lot of things to work on and being Portland's main weapon in their playoff run would not be a bad thing.
Would Kunitz have to pass through waivers AGAIN? I thought he already passed through re-entry waivers.
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