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braincramp 03-06-2006, 01:40 PM With the trading deadline coming in three days, it seems doubtful that any significant trade will come about for the Ducks. Press opinion seems to indicate that they will not trade any of their youth movement. And now, Carney's back spasms suggest that neither he nor Salei, the two contract problems, will be moved soon. A trade of Giggy is characterized as a "longshot".
There probably won't be a blockbuster trade that brings a big name talent to the Ducks. Richards is now off the table, and Jokinen isn't coming here.
Kick Save 03-06-2006, 02:36 PM I think that you and the local press are correct: the Ducks aren't going to trade one of their core members of the "kiddie corps" (e.g., Getzlaf, Perry, Penner, Smid, Ryan), nor should they. However, the tired old cliche "you gotta give to get" still applies. Without trading something of significant value, it's pretty unlikely you'll get something siginificant in return.
Frankly, the way the Ducks have been playing, I can't see trying to make any big acquistions. I know all about the 2002-2003 and how the deadline day acquisition of Steve Thomas and Rob Niedermayer sparked the magical run the to Cup Finals. But there's no comparison between that team and this one. That team started rolling quite a bit before the trade deadline. While I'm not much of a Paul Kariya fan, he was a highly-skilled forward whose finesse was complemented by the "grit" of guys like Thomas. Giguere had a "career" year and was nothing short of phenomenal.
I'd be inclined to trade Salei because I think there's going to be a bidding war for decent d-men and, after Witt, Salei might be as good as any available. (Yeah, I know that Gonchar might be available, but his hefty contract makes him less than highly-desirable.)
I know that the team might perceive trading a regular player as "throwing in the towel" and I'm sure that's not good for morale. But, as far as I can tell, the worst place to finish in the NHL is Ninth in the Conference---and there's a good chance that's where the Ducks will wind up. Not only do you miss the playoffs, but also, in all likelihood, you wind up with the 13th or 14th pick in the draft. Eighth-place isn't a whole lot better: sure, you make the playoffs, but the Red Wings are just salivating at the opportunity to avenge their embarrassing 1st-round sweep by the Ducks in '03.
As a season-ticket holder, I'm not very keen on the idea of shelling out money to watch the Ducks lose a First-Round Playoff 4 zip or, at best, 4-1.
Pepper 03-06-2006, 02:40 PM Personally I see Carney gone, contenders will overpay to get an extremely solid very experienced top3-4 d-man like Carney who was with the Ducks during the Cup run.
Snap Wilson 03-06-2006, 03:31 PM I'm with Kick Save. If anything, it's time for the Ducks to start selling. Right now my calculations give them about a 36% chance of making the playoffs, and honestly I think that's a bit high. Arrivaderci, Carney. It's been swell. Get Rusty inked or cut bait on him as well. I may be alone, but I wouldn't cry to see Teemu rented out, either.
Kick Save 03-06-2006, 03:44 PM Personally I see Carney gone, contenders will overpay to get an extremely solid very experienced top3-4 d-man like Carney who was with the Ducks during the Cup run.
In this morning's O.C. Register, there was a reference to Carney suffering from back spasms in yesterday's game. I don't think he played much after the First Period. While I agree that he might have some value to a contender that's a little thin on the Blue Line, unless someone is convinced that the spasms are no big deal, Carney won't be going anywhere.
Professor John Frink 03-06-2006, 07:55 PM In this morning's O.C. Register, there was a reference to Carney suffering from back spasms in yesterday's game. I don't think he played much after the First Period. While I agree that he might have some value to a contender that's a little thin on the Blue Line, unless someone is convinced that the spasms are no big deal, Carney won't be going anywhere.
To me back spasms are seemingly no big deal. Or at least not big enough of a deal for teams to shy away from Carney. I think to a bubble team his leadership and solid play would be seen a huge value. My guess overall is unless Burke gets a really good offer at least one of Salei and Carney are staying possibly both.
Anaheim is trying to create buzz around the team, and although I agree that dealing of one or both is better overall. The masses would see this as a bad move. Gonna be interesting for sure.
sammyp 03-06-2006, 08:09 PM Well, If Carney is back in the lineup on Tuesday, then I'd expect a trade, which I wouldn't necessarily be agianst.
Carney for a '07 2nd rounder would be great but that's probably too much to ask for a rental.
Randall Graves* 03-06-2006, 08:32 PM Why trade Salei? keep him, he's been outstanding this year and he probably won't cost a whole lot(although some of the deals being given out are headscratchers)
next year rome, o'brien, or smid should be the sixth dman if they can handle it imo
MightyAdam 03-06-2006, 10:52 PM How about Carney and Giguere to Montreal for Huet, Zednik, and Chris Higgins? Who would like that trade?
Static 03-06-2006, 11:01 PM Huet's numbers are pretty good but its a different game if he is expected to be the starter. Im really uncomftorable with Bryzgolov as the starter since he is so unexperienced and inconsistant. As far as I can tell this deal would lead to a pretty big goalie controversy which is one more distraction that the Ducks cannot afford this late in the season...
Static 03-06-2006, 11:13 PM Here is some more evidence that Burke probably wont make a move: http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2356668 (ESPN.com)
Bah, my link didnt work properly. Just go to the NHL section of ESPN.com and read the lead story. My computer skills leave much to be desired... :shakehead
Burke said he has received calls about Ruslan Salei and Keith Carney, two defensemen set to become unrestricted free agents. But with his team so close to the postseason, Burke said he's not inclined to strip down his squad, even if he's unable to make the additions he'd like.
"If I have to drive a couple of guys to the airport in the summer, so be it," Burke said.
He doesn't sound as concerned with 'asset management' as this board is.
How about Carney and Giguere to Montreal for Huet, Zednik, and Chris Higgins? Who would like that trade?
A 30-ish career journeyman goalie, a 40-point player Habs fans have been trying to dump for years, and an undersized center prospect? I'd have to say only a moron would like that trade ... to give up a #1 goalie and a solid veteran defenseman, and not get a single impact player of note in return? Pure stupidity.
He doesn't sound as concerned with 'asset management' as this board is.
Thank god for that ... you don't turn around a loser franchise by continuing to act defeatist and giving up when you're a few points out of a playoff spot.
Chistov23 03-06-2006, 11:41 PM He doesn't sound as concerned with 'asset management' as this board is.
Only because this board overrates draft picks so much.
I don't expect anything really, maybe a minor move but who knows.
MightyAdam 03-07-2006, 04:53 PM A 30-ish career journeyman goalie, a 40-point player Habs fans have been trying to dump for years, and an undersized center prospect? I'd have to say only a moron would like that trade ... to give up a #1 goalie and a solid veteran defenseman, and not get a single impact player of note in return? Pure stupidity.
You calling me a mornon? Well, actually, you probably would also have said a lot of the trades Burke has made were pretty moron moves, of course until the players he got started playing extremely well.
The Francois Beauchemin move. Did you think that was silly? Or how about the Ruchin, Leclerc, Sykora, etc...moves. If I had suggested dumping all of them before the season, would you have thought that would have been silly?
Obviously, you have to think of what would help the team, not just, "Is this person a star?" First off, Giguere ain't getting any younger. I remember back when Gerber was still with Anaheim and I thought he should be the starter. A lot of people disagreed with me and thought I was silly. But now look at him! He is on the number one team in the NHL right now!
I think I am sort of like Burke in a way. I can see how a player would fit in the system, where people like you just look at a person's status...superstar or not...as whether you would want the player.
I do think like Gerber, Bryzgolov would make an excellent number one goalie. Remember how he had like 3 first star games?
And about that prospect, in his profile it says he has "future captain" potential. And you think that would be silly?
And Huet just got one of three NHL stars a couple of days ago. He would make a decent back-up.
So, my point is, I wouldn't call something 'moron' or 'stupid' when you have no idea how it would turn out. Would you have thought Selanne would have 27 goals already by this time of year before the season started? Would you have been one to laugh if you were told Francois Beauchemin would be playing on the top d-paring? Maybe so. Anyways, thats all I have to say about this. We will just have to wait and see what Burke does. It should be an exciting next couple of days.
Spankatola Jamnuts 03-07-2006, 08:10 PM lmao
McDonald19 03-09-2006, 04:38 AM Mighty Duck General Manager Brian Burke said he wasn't optimistic that he could swing a deal to improve the roster before Thursday's noon trade deadline.
As the Ducks' practiced Wednesday morning, Burke said he has been hindered in his pursuit of a scoring center or wing because other teams have asked for too much in return.
..."We're not moving any of the kids and it doesn't make sense to overpay," Burke said.
"I'm getting lots to calls. Either it's a fishing expedition or they ask for the kids or they want an exorbitant price for the things we're looking for.
"They're short conversations."
...Burke said he would be comfortable with the current roster for the stretch run.
"If our group plays at the same pace they've played the last six weeks, we're going to get in," he said. "I believe in this group."
LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-spw-duckrep9mar09,1,1924709.story?coll=la-headlines-sports)
Jerky Leclerc 03-09-2006, 07:43 AM Oh man LA got Parrish
They had to give up two young kids for a soon to be UFA and an overpaid defensemen. If the Kings make the playoffs, it might be an okay deal. If not, then the Kings just gave up alot for nothing.
Pwnasaurus 03-09-2006, 09:16 AM Toronto got a top prospect from NJ for Ken Klee so anything is possible for Carney perhaps.
Professor John Frink 03-09-2006, 10:36 AM Well with us being so close to the playoffs, I wouldn;t expect to see any subtractions from this team. Maybe an addition in scoring is we can get an older soon to be UFA. But otherwise I wouldn;t expect much from us.
Statman 03-09-2006, 12:39 PM Just traded for Sean ODonnell from Phoenix
jr77812 03-09-2006, 12:39 PM Well with us being so close to the playoffs, I wouldn;t expect to see any subtractions from this team. Maybe an addition in scoring is we can get an older soon to be UFA. But otherwise I wouldn;t expect much from us.
TSN reports that Ducks picked up Sean O'Donnell from Phx. No return listed as of yet.
CHRDANHUTCH 03-09-2006, 01:26 PM TSN reports that Ducks picked up Sean O'Donnell from Phx. No return listed as of yet.
it's one of ours JR, AU REVOIR Joel :(
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