3/1/06 Anaheim vs. Detroit

Ducks vs. Red Wings

7:30 PM Pacific

Fox Sports Net West 2

Defenseman Scott Niedermayer said he would wait until today's morning skate to decide whether he would play tonight against Detroit.... Center Todd Marchant went through a full practice session and is available to play.... Defenseman Sandis Ozolinsh is expected to play in his first game for the Ducks since Nov. 27, after recovering from a knee injury and completing a month's-plus stay in the league's substance abuse program.

Forward Teemu Selanne, Samuel Pahlsson and Jonathan Hedstrom were not at practice because their flights from Turin, Italy, didn't arrive until after the conclusion of Tuesday's workout.

The three Olympic representatives are expected to play, according to Coach Randy Carlyle.

"They're deserving of some time [off] probably," he said. "In our situation, that's not reality right now."

LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ducks/la-spw-duckrep1mar01,1,579818.story?coll=la-headlines-sports)

Detroits olympicans are expected to be back for this game.

Detroits olympicans are expected to be back for this game.
And five of them have a gold to show off...

*wonders if they'll start a Swedish Five to rival the Russian Five*

[B]Ducks vs. Red Wings

7:30 PM Pacific
Finally the ducks are back. Can't wait to see Ozolinsh tonight. Will be interesting to see how many players try game action with a visor. I kind of hope Scott Nieds doesn't play, no need for setbacks. The big question could be, will guys like McDonald and Beauchemin be able to continue playing the way they were after the 2 weeks off.....

25 games in 48 days is going to be Great!

Detroits olympicans are expected to be back for this game.

Yeah that didn't work out too well for us.

They sit out last night and hurt us in the standings by giving San Jose a 5-1 win.

and then tonight they are rested to play against us.

Go Ducks!!!

Lupul and Beauchemin will both be wearing visor's for now on, and so that should be pretty neat to see the change with them.

Plus, I wonder what Babcock thinks of Lupul....the guy he once coached already has 21 goals this year. He must be impressed with his former apprentice. :-)

I'll be at the pond tonight and I cant wait to see what Ozolinsh can do. Steve Y in person will be kinda cool too eh?

Come on Ducks!
Make the playoffs and the 3rd rounder you owe Vancouver turns into a 2nd!!
Go Ducks Go!

Come on Ducks!
Make the playoffs and the 3rd rounder you owe Vancouver turns into a 2nd!!
Go Ducks Go!

Thank you. :D

Should be interesting how they play tonight. A lot of guys might be rusty from the time off. Hopefully this isn't the case and they can jump on the Wings and their jet-lagged Swedes tonight.

Hate to say it but I'm willing to write this one off, use it as a tune up.

A win would be nice, but i'm not expecting one, if niedermayer doesn't play whoever is in net will have to stand on his head.

pre-game show:

Scott Niedermayer will play tonight!

Carlyle's plan is to start Selanne and Pahlsson on the fourth line.

Konopka on the pre-game show.

Says he is almost ready to go.

said he will be ready for the weekend.

They asked him about what he thought of the Olympic style of hockey compared to the NHL

"the NHL game is the best in the world you got hitting you got fighting you got driving to the net" :yo:

pre-game show:

Scott Niedermayer will play tonight!

Carlyle's plan is to start Selanne and Pahlsson on the fourth line.
With our offense I doubt Selanne stays there. I'm more concerned than excited about Scott Nieds playing.

Konopka on the pre-game show.

Says he is almost ready to go.

said he will be ready for the weekend.

They asked him about what he thought of the Olympic style of hockey compared to the NHL

"the NHL game is the best in the world you got hitting you got fighting you got driving to the net" :yo:

Great news!!! :handclap:

Though they will probably send him down as soon as he recovers, I am glad the injury is not serious. :handclap:

Carlyle's plan is to start Selanne and Pahlsson on the fourth line.

:huh:

:huh:

I guess they are still tired, but he didn't want to healthy scratch them.

I'm floored that Niedermayer is playing. I thought I read that he'd be out a month and he's back after barely two weeks. Wow. You have to respect his determination to help the team.

Giggy looking very shaky.

Yikes. Bryzgalov will be coming in soon if Jiggy doesn't pick it up.

Sami just saved a 3rd wings goal. Lupul forgot how to put shots on net during the break. He's had some great chances, but put all of them wide.

Edit: Who the heck is messing with the picture at FSW2?

Pretty much what I expected. Total pwnage. I wish Konopka were ready now, since no one else seems willing to throw a check, or attempt to move the red weasels out of the crease. The Red Wings are just gross to me.

I wish Konopka were ready now, since no one else seems willing to throw a check

I was going to say this team needs some energy, it would be great to have Konopka in the lineup.

What a frustrating period.

The Red Wings didn't even play a good period, they make two quick plays and get a 2-0 lead out of it. Please trade Giguere, seriously his goaltending makes me nervous. Bryzgalov is ready, he might not turn out to be a great #1 goalie but he is at least a little better than this years Giguere.

The refs are calling too many penalties both ways. I wanna see some hockey not a parade to the penalty box.

This team needs a big hit or a fight to get them going. Unfortunately the Red Wings don't dress a tough guy so there is no one for Fedoruk to fight.

Giguere couldn't do anything on either goal. The Ducks defenders need to be much better. (Rob) Nieds and Getzlaf left Holmstrom wide open for his goal inexplicably.

man this is boring...everything just looks soo slow right now.

where's the energy??

gotta score on this powerplay...

This ref is a joke...shouldn't be working in this league...go work in the UHL or ECHL.

Marchant has been depressing. He can't finish, but this is old news. I was hoping he'd finally get something going but he's had enough time over in Anaheim already to prove me wrong.

Sheesh, still nothing on the Powerplay, they need to start producing.

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cheap play by Samuelsson...I'd like to see him actually square off with Kunitz.

Man what a terrible hockey game...and it's not just because the Ducks are losing...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Jesus. Detroit turned into Minnesota that period.

wow...that was about as bad of a hockey game as I have ever seen...seriously I don't even think Red Wing's fans could have enjoyed that one...Terrible hockey both ways.

I hope we've seen the last of the NHL olympic break.

wow...that was about as bad of a hockey game as I have ever seen...seriously I don't even think Red Wing's fans could have enjoyed that one...Terrible hockey both ways.

Yeah, it was definitly a snoozer. I couldnt agree more. But after last nights debacle in SJ, I will take the win anyway it comes.

Wow these guys were pathetic tonight, I'm not mad they lost, I'm mad that they showed no heart to fight through the rust. No hitting, no skating, bad turnovers.

Giguere showed up, too bad nobody else did.

Wow these guys were pathetic tonight, I'm not mad they lost, I'm mad that they showed no heart to fight through the rust. No hitting, no skating, bad turnovers.

Giguere showed up, too bad nobody else did.

Very dissapointing game indeed. Jiggy did well and I thought AndyMac and Teemu looked good.

Kunitz gets an F- for tonight. Just terrible.

what a crappy game. Killing off half of the 3rd period didn't help.

Well, at least the Blues beat the Oilers.

The page for the Ducks game today needs to be thrown in the fire. :help:

This team plays with more heart and passion with Moen and Konopka in the lineup.

Just boring allaround worst game ive ever watched from an entertainment standpoint.

Please trade Giguere, seriously his goaltending makes me nervous. Bryzgalov is ready, he might not turn out to be a great #1 goalie but he is at least a little better than this years Giguere.


He gave up 2 goals to the best team in the NHL neither of which were his fault and made a few remarkable saves during the contest including the one on Lidstrom where he had a wide open net basically. I don't understand the Giguere bashing...I understood it after the Edmonton blowout but he played solid in this one. Ducks played an extremely sloppy game and Osgood played really well.

can someone explain me why the kids (perry,penner,getzlaf) played only 8 and getz 9:30 min?

how can they develop their skills if they play only 2-3min per period?

I don't understand the Giguere bashing...I understood it after the Edmonton blowout but he played solid in this one.

Some people are so convinced about trading Giguere that they can no longer see a good performance from him even when it's right in front of them.

Some people are so convinced about trading Giguere that they can no longer see a good performance from him even when it's right in front of them.

:clap:

can someone explain me why the kids (perry,penner,getzlaf) played only 8 and getz 9:30 min?

how can they develop their skills if they play only 2-3min per period?

first off, we were playing Detroit..it would easier to play those kids lots of minutes if we were playing someone like Chicago, where there team isn't as good.

but, the minutes they did play, they had some pretty good shifts...I am looking forward to next year when they will be playing as much as Lupul and some other guys...then, they should really chip in some goals

if you remember...Selanne didn't do as well with Colorado when he was on the third line and wasn't playing much either and so all a player might need to show all of his talent is minutes...and in Selanne's case...a surgery .. :biglaugh:

I hope the olympic break rust wears off fast because last night's game was terrible. No energy from either team really. Osgood looked shakey in net last night and the team couldn't put the puck on net when they had good scoring chances (mainly Lupul in the 1st). Giguere looked pretty good last night, didn't expect him to stop that Lidstrom chance. Can't think of anyone that stood out in a good way. Big game Friday with Minnesota, hopefully this team has some energy for that one.

McDonald showed some energy out there and had some pretty good moves. Just couldn't find the back of the net.

Yeah, Giguere played really well last night, the only reason that the score wasnt 5-0. I dont see what trading Giguere does for this team now anyway, since Bryzlgolov isnt playing ANY better than Giguere, and tends to give up real soft goals in real bad situations.

Yeah, Giguere played really well last night, the only reason that the score wasnt 5-0. I dont see what trading Giguere does for this team now anyway, since Bryzlgolov isnt playing ANY better than Giguere, and tends to give up real soft goals in real bad situations.

what it would do would probably bring Anaheim a forward that could help them get into the playoffs, with some kind of trade

what it would do would probably bring Anaheim a forward that could help them get into the playoffs, with some kind of trade

yeah I actually agree with you for a change. :)

Some people are so convinced about trading Giguere that they can no longer see a good performance from him even when it's right in front of them.

I thought he was okay...he just makes me nervous in net.

He gave up 2 goals to the best team in the NHL neither of which were his fault and made a few remarkable saves during the contest including the one on Lidstrom where he had a wide open net basically. I don't understand the Giguere bashing...I understood it after the Edmonton blowout but he played solid in this one. Ducks played an extremely sloppy game and Osgood played really well.

First off Detroit had a horrible game. They had maybe 4 good scoring chances and they scored on 2 of them.

The loss wasn't Giguere's fault but I'm just not comfortable with him in net right now. He just doesn't look like a legit 4 million dollar #1 goalie.

Youre honestly more comftorable with Bryzgolov in net for the rest of the season? I would much rather have Giguere in, a guy who has been though the final stretch and carried a team, over a very inconsistant rookie.


And last night there were not 4 good scoring chances, more like 6-8. His play kept the Ducks in the game for as long as they were.

yeah I actually agree with you for a change. :)

awesome....hope we can start to agree on a lot more of the issues talked about here

And last night there were not 4 good scoring chances, more like 6-8. His play kept the Ducks in the game for as long as they were.

Not to mention the two he gave up weren't just ordinary scoring chances, they were grade A.

Youre honestly more comftorable with Bryzgolov in net for the rest of the season? I would much rather have Giguere in, a guy who has been though the final stretch and carried a team, over a very inconsistant rookie.


And last night there were not 4 good scoring chances, more like 6-8. His play kept the Ducks in the game for as long as they were.

I'd say I'm not any less comfortable with Bryzgalov right now.

It was a terrible game, honestly I have to disagree about the scoring chances.

If we are ever going to trade Giguere now is the time. If he can bring a top 6 young LW in return and a top goalie prospect in return then I'd do it. It would have to be a team that needs a goalie bad, like Edmonton. Unfortunately we are in the playoff race with them so it will never happen...but something like this I'd do:

to Edmonton: J.S. Giguere

to Anaheim: Raffi Torres and Devan Dubnyk

For those of you who watched the game...

What were the lines, and how did Ozo do?

For those of you who watched the game...

What were the lines, and how did Ozo do?

they were the usual forward lines:

Kunitz-McDonald-Selanne
Penner-Marchant-Lupul
Hedstrom-Pahlsson-Niedermayer
Fedoruk-Getzlaf-Perry

defense:

Niedermayer-Beauchemin
Salei-Carney
Ozolinsh-Vishnevski

healthy scratched: Marshall, DiPenta, Konopka (ankle is almost ready to go)

Moen on IR.

Ozolinsh looked okay. Had some good point shots on goal. Didn't try anything too stupid.

Youre honestly more comftorable with Bryzgolov in net for the rest of the season? I would much rather have Giguere in, a guy who has been though the final stretch and carried a team, over a very inconsistant rookie.


And last night there were not 4 good scoring chances, more like 6-8. His play kept the Ducks in the game for as long as they were.Yeah, Bryzgalov and Marsters will take us to the promiseland. I thought Giguere was sharp last night. Both goals he really couldn't do anything but hope to get lucky. Bryzgalov makes me nervous more than Giguere..makes brilliant saves, lets in softies.

they were the usual forward lines:

Kunitz-McDonald-Selanne
Penner-Marchant-Lupul
Hedstrom-Pahlsson-Niedermayer
Fedoruk-Getzlaf-Perry

defense:

Niedermayer-Beauchemin
Salei-Carney
Ozolinsh-Vishnevski

healthy scratched: Marshall, DiPenta, Konopka (ankle is almost ready to go)

Moen on IR.

Ozolinsh looked okay. Had some good point shots on goal. Didn't try anything too stupid.

Moen is on IR? He was in the pregame skate last night trading passes with DiPenta, and then was listed as a healthy scratch on the jumbotron. Are you sure Konopka isnt on IR?

Moen is on IR? He was in the pregame skate last night trading passes with DiPenta, and then was listed as a healthy scratch on the jumbotron. Are you sure Konopka isnt on IR?

Actually you may be right it could be the other way around. If you saw him in pregame then he definetly is not on the IR. I was going by a stats page than had "RES" next to Moen's name and Konopka did not have a "RES".

if Moen is healthy he needs to play on Friday, we are missing that energy.

Yeah, Bryzgalov and Marsters will take us to the promiseland. I thought Giguere was sharp last night. Both goals he really couldn't do anything but hope to get lucky. Bryzgalov makes me nervous more than Giguere..makes brilliant saves, lets in softies.

Giguere probably isn't taking us anywhere either. He is a pretty good goalie when he is on but I think people are too in love with him for what he did in 2003.

I think people are too in love with him for what he did in 2003.

I suppose, if you want to just kind of ignore the brilliant regular seasons he had in 01-02 and 02-03, plus his return to form after the all-star break in 03-04, then sure. The only time he was ever a good goalie was in the spring of 03.

I feel a little more confident with Giguere starting a game than Bryz. We have a great 1-2 punch in net for a combined 4.5million. No need to trade either.

I suppose, if you want to just kind of ignore the brilliant regular seasons he had in 01-02 and 02-03, plus his return to form after the all-star break in 03-04, then sure. The only time he was ever a good goalie was in the spring of 03.

The funny thing is there's tons of teams out there who would gladly take Giguere over their starter, yet somehow we have this group of fans who seem to think Giguere's totally replaceable.

It's things like this that make me grudgingly agree with people who say many Ducks fans don't know **** about hockey.

I suppose, if you want to just kind of ignore the brilliant regular seasons he had in 01-02 and 02-03, plus his return to form after the all-star break in 03-04, then sure. The only time he was ever a good goalie was in the spring of 03.

brilliant is a bit much. He is a good goalie and he had a couple of good seasons before the Cup run we all know that. But he has no confidence right now, he is shaky in net, overpaid and has an attitude problem. If Burke can get a couple of good young players for Giguere then he should do it.

The funny thing is there's tons of teams out there who would gladly take Giguere over their starter, yet somehow we have this group of fans who seem to think Giguere's totally replaceable.

It's things like this that make me grudgingly agree with people who say many Ducks fans don't know **** about hockey.

actually I disagree. The fact that Duck fans love Giguere no matter what and dance around when they play Will Smith's song when Giguere makes a good save...that is what makes Duck fans look like they don't know **** about hockey.

Intelligent fans realize there is a time when you have to move on and make a big trade. Giguere's confidence is gone, he is a year from Unrestricted Free Agency, rumors are everywhere. I say if Burke can get a good deal then do it.

actually I disagree. The fact that Duck fans love Giguere no matter what and dance around when they play Will Smith's song when Giguere makes a good save...that is what makes Duck fans look like they don't know **** about hockey.

Intelligent fans realize there is a time when you have to move on and make a big trade. Giguere's confidence is gone, he is a year from Unrestricted Free Agency, rumors are everywhere. I say if Burke can get a good deal then do it.
How is trading your best goalie an intelligent move? if you get a goal scorer back, will he make up for the additional goals you will give up?

Overpaid:

Average salary of top-paid goalies per team: ~2.5M. Giguere: 3.99M
Average GAA of #1 goalies per team: 2.92. Giguere: 2.64.

Giguere is 8th among starting goalies in GAA. He is 9th in save percentage. He has the third-fewest regulation losses amongst all starters.

He's earned his money all year. His only area of concern IMO is the shootout, where he's horrendous. As for being a fanboy, I don't give a crap about him, but the idea that he's not earning his money is bandwagon-ish, and patently false. Further I think it's stupid to entrust the duties to a grumpy kid who's never proven anything, than to what I believe to be a top goaltender in his prime, who is not overpaid by any rational means of measuring. That wouldn't make us better, or more likely to succeed in the playoffs. Goaltending for us is an area of strength but not depth; we can't deal one to improve the offense without opening up a hole. IMO the best means we have at hand right now to upgrade our forward corps is to deal one of the kids, which I would gladly do, depending on the deal.

How is trading your best goalie an intelligent move? if you get a goal scorer back, will he make up for the additional goals you will give up?

When he is a year from being a UFA and he is not necessarily any better than Bryzgalov right now.

what additional goals? Giguere isn't exactly standing on his head every night. Team defense is keeping our goals against down.

IMO the best means we have at hand right now to upgrade our forward corps is to deal one of the kids, which I would gladly do, depending on the deal.

Burke won't trade any of the kids. He keeps making statements saying that, we will see if he was telling the truth.

What I am excited about is the upcoming schedule before the deadline. It favors the Mighty Ducks. Minnesota lost tonight, making that 3 losses in a row for them. They were fighting for the 8th playoff spot but with their loss tonight, that gives the Ducks one more game at hand on them. And with the Ducks playing them tomorrow, it should be a good outcome for the Ducks.

What is good for the Ducks is that the Sharks play the oilers tomorrow. I hope San Jose wins this game cause if they win, and if the Ducks win tomorrow, they Ducks will only trail the Oilers by one point for the final play off spot. Yeah, it would give the Sharks one game at hand over the Ducks, but since the Ducks play the Sharks next Tueday, it would cancel out the one game at hand.

Plus, Sunday, the Ducks should win against Columbus. San Jose on the other hand plays Calgary after they play the Oilers. So, I am guessing San Jose won't win both of those games.

Then, as for the Oilers, after San Jose they play the Predators, and then the Stars before the trade deadline. So, overall, the Ducks have a great shot at having the last 8th spot by the day of the deadline if they win the games like they should. This would leave Burke at a point where he would probably want to trade for someone.

I remember in the 2003 season when the former GM went out and got Thomas. I thought it was sort of dumb cause of how old Steve was, but he ended up getting like 10 goals in 12 games. Some crazy statistic like that. And so, I think whatever move Burke might make, we shouldn't judge right away if it is was good or not until we see how the player play's in the Ducks system.

All I gotta say is the Ducks better win tomorrow's game! If not, they might kiss their playoff hopes goodbye.

Overpaid:

Average salary of top-paid goalies per team: ~2.5M. Giguere: 3.99M
Average GAA of #1 goalies per team: 2.92. Giguere: 2.64.

Giguere is 8th among starting goalies in GAA. He is 9th in save percentage. He has the third-fewest regulation losses amongst all starters.

He's earned his money all year. His only area of concern IMO is the shootout, where he's horrendous. As for being a fanboy, I don't give a crap about him, but the idea that he's not earning his money is bandwagon-ish, and patently false. Further I think it's stupid to entrust the duties to a grumpy kid who's never proven anything, than to what I believe to be a top goaltender in his prime, who is not overpaid by any rational means of measuring. That wouldn't make us better, or more likely to succeed in the playoffs. Goaltending for us is an area of strength but not depth; we can't deal one to improve the offense without opening up a hole. IMO the best means we have at hand right now to upgrade our forward corps is to deal one of the kids, which I would gladly do, depending on the deal.

I was gonna post something to follow up my original statement but this CFOB post is probably better than I can do anyway.

]Intelligent fans realize there is a time when you have to move on and make a big trade.

This ain't the time. He's still playing very solid hockey, and there are worse goalies than him now getting more money than him.

Giguere's confidence is gone, he is a year from Unrestricted Free Agency, rumors are everywhere. I say if Burke can get a good deal then do it.

If his confidence is gone, why is he still putting up better numbers than most of the league's #1's? Are you also going to trade every other player who's a year away from UFA status from now on, because you're afraid of losing them? Forget ever winning anything then, you'll just become a farm team for the rest of the NHL.

And none of this accounts for the psychological impact it would have on players who think they're pushing for a playoff spot, only to see their GM cut their legs out from under them by trading away their starting goalie for some nebulous future.

Would you have also traded Brodeur when Schwab put up better sv% and GAA numbers than him as his backup? I mean clearly they wouldn't have missed Marty at all, since Schwab was just as good for less money, and they could have gotten some serious return for Brodeur.

Are you also going to trade every other player who's a year away from UFA status from now on, because you're afraid of losing them?
McDonald19 always suggests trading an UFA to be, for some reason he never thinks we can re-sign them.
has an attitude problem
He blows up during one game in his career and suddenly he has an attitude problem? Before that game there is no way you would of made that same statement. I think he is a great locker room guy and shows good character/leadership. Now obviously neither of us really knows what goes on in the room so these are just differing opinions.

I just look at teams who struggle for years to find a goalie that works, we have a great pair and for some reason we can't wait to get rid of one.
He has the third-fewest regulation losses amongst all starters.
When people claim Giguere will be great in the post season I think this is an interesting stat. We are a very good team 5 on 5. With no 4 on 4 and shootout in the playoffs I think we could do some damage, with Giguere being a big part of that.

McDonald19 always suggests trading an UFA to be, for some reason he never thinks we can re-sign them.

He blows up during one game in his career and suddenly he has an attitude problem? Before that game there is no way you would of made that same statement. I think he is a great locker room guy and shows good character/leadership. Now obviously neither of us really knows what goes on in the room so these are just differing opinions.

I just look at teams who struggle for years to find a goalie that works, we have a great pair and for some reason we can't wait to get rid of one.

When people claim Giguere will be great in the post season I think this is an interesting stat. We are a very good team 5 on 5. With no 4 on 4 and shootout in the playoffs I think we could do some damage, with Giguere being a big part of that.


Well there are always fans who think that when a player becomes a UFA, it's always better to get something for that player than losing him for nothing. I don't like that unless the team is out of the playoff race, cause you never know what can happen in the playoffs. If next year this team is way out of the race then trading Giguere would make sense at that time. But since the team is in the playoff race right now and should only get better next year with the young guys improving, trading Giguere makes little sense right now unless Burke can back a young 1st line player...and that's not going to happen.

I found the character issues point to be a big stretch. He's been a class act, not one to cause trouble and one bad 5 minute stretch against the Oilers and he has attitude problems. I think he should be given the benefit of the doubt in the attitude area. If he blows up again, then it becomes an issue. Burke has had problems with goaltending in Vancouver, I don't think he wants to have that problem again when he has a very good tandem here. It's a luxury to have two good goaltenders and unless blown away by an offer Burke should hang on to both. I don't think this team will get past the 1st round if they have to go up against Detroit, but then again I said that in 03. Giguere's one great playoff is not something to bank on, but playoff experience is not something easily replaced. Bryzgalov hasn't really played in any big games in his career that are NHL playoff like. And if this team gets to the playoffs, if one struggles we have another guy who could step in and get the job done. That's a better alternative than having one guy who could struggle and having an AHL backup. Next year is when looking in to deal Giguere is a possibility, but not right now. The current goal should be getting in to the playoffs, not dumping contracts.

I wouldn't trade Giguere simply to get rid of him, I'd move him to get the missing assets we need. In other words, a real scoring center.

Don't label people who'd like to move Giguere as "Giguere-haters", you have to understand that there are holes in our lineup which need to be filled one way or another. We can wait for Getzlaf to grow in to the role but that might not happen next year and even if he did, we would simply have more choices to make the next move.

Asset management - that's the key.

McDonald19 always suggests trading an UFA to be, for some reason he never thinks we can re-sign them.



That's asset management. We would have to be in Burke's shoes to actually know which UFA's want to re-sign here. Selanne is the only one I know for sure wants to re-sign.

I wouldn't trade Giguere simply to get rid of him, I'd move him to get the missing assets we need. In other words, a real scoring center.



Or a young LW goal scorer like a Torres.

If his confidence is gone, why is he still putting up better numbers than most of the league's #1's?

Are you also going to trade every other player who's a year away from UFA status from now on, because you're afraid of losing them? Forget ever winning anything then, you'll just become a farm team for the rest of the NHL.


We have great team Defense.

No that's part of asset management. You figure out which potential UFA's are apart of the long term plan, how they will fit in the payroll, how they fit in the lockerroom. Lots of questions you have to ask, and then you listen to offers and if you can get something you want you make the move.

Or a young LW goal scorer like a Torres.

I'm not trading Giguere for 30 points even if he has a few more meltdowns

I'm not trading Giguere for 30 points even if he has a few more meltdowns

20 goals is the stat you should have looked at. He is definetly not a playmaker. The 165 pims in the AHL last year is another stat to look at, as he plays Brian Burke hockey.

we need goal scoring and Torres would only get better. He would score 30 goals a year on Getzlaf and Perry's left wing.

I'd trade Giguere for Torres and Dubnyk any day.

That's just one example of what I'd want in a trade for Giguere, who knows if Edmonton would even do that.

I think any move involving Giguere should be put off until the offseason. That way they can secure a decent back up for Bryzgalov first. I don't think Burke would be able to do that in a week as teams are usually very tight at this point with goalies. Moving Giguere at this point with Hurme/Marsters backing up Bryzgalov in the middle of the playoff race and a tight schedule isn't going to get this team in to the playoffs.

Well there are always fans who think that when a player becomes a UFA, it's always better to get something for that player than losing him for nothing.

Funny, those same fans don't complain when we gain a UFA for nothing (Fedorov, S Niedermayer, Selanne, McDonald, Kunitz, Penner, etc, etc, etc). On the balance sheet the Ducks still come out way ahead if Giguere walks away.

The idea that the return in a trade will be worth something is a huge assumption. Gerber for Foster, Foster walks away (yes should have kept Foster). Havelid for Malec... what a scrub he was. The Sykora deal... I have NO hopes for that kid turning into anything. If Giguere brings back better players (he would) that's just more proof he's an elite goal tender that should be kept.

Funny, those same fans don't complain when we gain a UFA for nothing (Fedorov, S Niedermayer, Selanne, McDonald, Kunitz, Penner, etc, etc, etc). On the balance sheet the Ducks still come out way ahead if Giguere walks away.

The idea that the return in a trade will be worth something is a huge assumption. Gerber for Foster, Foster walks away (yes should have kept Foster). Havelid for Malec... what a scrub he was. The Sykora deal... I have NO hopes for that kid turning into anything. If Giguere brings back better players (he would) that's just more proof he's an elite goal tender that should be kept.

Gerber was a backup goalie, his trade value was a 2nd round pick or a 3rd round pick and midlevel prospect. Which is exactly what the Ducks got for him.

Havelid was a salary dump instructed by the former ownership.

Sykora's trade value was near nothing we all know that.

Giguere bringing back more than the three above players does not necessarily mean he is an elite goal tender but a good one who has had his moments. You also have to look at want went on with those three trades (backup goalie, salary dump, forward in a huge slump and being a lockerroom problem)

we need goal scoring and Torres would only get better. He would score 30 goals a year on Getzlaf and Perry's left wing.

How do you figure? Getzlaf and Perry are still trying to be consistently productive themselves, they're certainly not at the point where they're making linemates better.

How do you figure? Getzlaf and Perry are still trying to be consistently productive themselves, they're certainly not at the point where they're making linemates better.

Obviously wasn't talking about this season.

Long term he could be a really good LW for that line.

Long term he could be a really good LW for that line.
We have alot of options that could be really good in the long term, I thought the point of people wanting to deal Giguere was to fix our offensive problems today?

Dealing Giguere for more "potential" would be stupid considering the young players we already have.

We have alot of options that could be really good in the long term, I thought the point of people wanting to deal Giguere was to fix our offensive problems today?

Dealing Giguere for more "potential" would be stupid considering the young players we already have.

name the legit young top 6 LW's in the Ducks organization!

(Ryan, Perry, and Lupul are all RWs)

left wings who can give you 20+ goals every season are hard to find.

Right wings are much easier to find.

Gerber was a backup goalie, his trade value was a 2nd round pick or a 3rd round pick and midlevel prospect. Which is exactly what the Ducks got for him.

Havelid was a salary dump instructed by the former ownership.

Sykora's trade value was near nothing we all know that.

The fair value of these trades isn't the point. The point is we could have let all 3 guys walk away for nothing and still be where we're at today. A trade doesn't come with some magical guarantee the team will become better in other words.


Giguere bringing back more than the three above players does not necessarily mean he is an elite goal tender but a good one who has had his moments.

But you're not advocating Giguere for a 3rd line guy or some 5th defenseman.

You want a legit goal scoring left wing AND a really good goalie prospect. Sounds like an elite goalie to me if he can pull that return.

The fair value of these trades isn't the point. The point is we could have let all 3 guys walk away for nothing and still be where we're at today. A trade doesn't come with some magical guarantee the team will become better in other words.

But you're not advocating Giguere for a 3rd line guy or some 5th defenseman.

You want a legit goal scoring left wing AND a really good goalie prospect. Sounds like an elite goalie to me if he can pull that return.

no it's just asset management. You get something for the guys instead of letting them walk as UFA's. That's just how things work. Obviously Foster and Malec didn't work out for us. But that is all hindsight.

Luongo is an elite goalie, Giguere is a good goalie. I don't see how you can compare Giguere's trade value right now in any way to the Gerber, Havelid and Sykora trades.

no it's just asset management. You get something for the guys instead of letting them walk as UFA's.

Keeping an elite goalie is good asset management, IMO.

Luongo is an elite goalie, Giguere is a good goalie.

What? Their stats are close to identical and Giguere has a Conne Smythe trophey (quite an award for a guy on the losing team).

I don't see how you can compare Giguere's trade value right now in any way to the Gerber, Havelid and Sykora trades.

How many times do I have to say I'm not comparing the values of those trades?

Sometimes NOT trading the guy is a better option. Those 3 deals are examples of that in varying degrees.

Keeping an elite goalie is good asset management, IMO.

Keeping a POTENTIAL goalie of Giguere's level (emphasis on word "potential") on bench for 50+ games is not good asset management.

The point is that at some point Ducks will have to give Bryz the chance to take over. If he does that, then trading Giguere is the best possible move Ducks can do, asset-management wise.

Keeping a POTENTIAL goalie of Giguere's level (emphasis on word "potential") on bench for 50+ games is not good asset management.

The point is that at some point Ducks will have to give Bryz the chance to take over. If he does that, then trading Giguere is the best possible move Ducks can do, asset-management wise.

And now is not that time, which is the point some have been making...especially with no solid backup in the minors that can come up after a trade. Until Bryz reaches his potential, him being on the bench isn't bad asset-management when he isn't making that much money. Bad asset-management is a team like Buffalo having Norronen as the 3rd goalie, playing 4 games all year just lying around without making a move to help improve the team's chances at a cup run. Bryzgalov backing up is not bad asset management, it's what most goalies go through when being groomed to be the #1. Unless there's an overpayment by another team, there's no reason to move Giguere before the trade deadline.

Giguere's value ain't gonna go up (barring another miracle cup-run), as his contract runs out it gets lower and lower.

The question is this: at which point has Bryz proven enough to take over no.1 duties? Have we given him enough chances to prove himself for real? He has played very well (equal or better than Giguere) this season, when do we take the leap of faith and maximise the return we get for Gigger?

Keeping a POTENTIAL goalie of Giguere's level (emphasis on word "potential") on bench for 50+ games is not good asset management.

I must have missed half of those 50 games then. Even the stats sheet shows him playing 39 games so far inspite of several nagging injuries.

I'd wager that he plays 18 (or more) of the remaining 23 games.

Giguere's value ain't gonna go up (barring another miracle cup-run), as his contract runs out it gets lower and lower.

Trade value is what you're talking about, not his value to this team. Keeping the guy solves all of that.

The point is that at some point Ducks will have to give Bryz the chance to take over. If he does that, then trading Giguere is the best possible move Ducks can do, asset-management wise.

And at the same time trading Giguere could be the WORST possible move the Ducks can do, risk-management wise. Banking on Bryzgalov is still a HUGE risk. As is finding a suitible backup for Bryzgalov.

And at the same time trading Giguere could be the WORST possible move the Ducks can do, risk-management wise. Banking on Bryzgalov is still a HUGE risk. As is finding a suitible backup for Bryzgalov.

If we lose Jiggy to free-agency and get nothing for him, we take it up the *** both asset- and riskmanagement wise.

In terms of risk-management, the best choice is to give Bryz a real chance to take the no.1 spot over longer period of time. If we miss the realistic chances of making it to play-offs, I say Bryz gets most of the remaining games.