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Ironchef Chris Wok* 02-23-2006, 01:43 PM I see there's like a Rick Nash one, a Joe Thornton one, the Bryan McCabe hate is diffused, so I'm just going to concentrate it in one thread.
(I'm really irrational right now)
I'm ashamed to have the same passport as this guy. I also can't believe we have to pay for his health insurance. And his children's schooling (if they go to public school)
This is probably the worst thread I've ever started, I know.
Rick Middleton 02-23-2006, 01:44 PM This is probably the worst thread I've ever started, I know.
No, this is par for the course for you. Bad threads abound from your fingertips.
Big Mama* 02-23-2006, 01:48 PM Team Canada can't score so the solution was to leave the NHL's elite offensive defenceman on the bench.
Yet Aki Berg can play a regular shift for the Finns and shutout Team Canada. Sergei Gonchar and Dany Markov can take a regular shift and shutout Team Canada.
Chris Pronger can take a regular shift and cough up the puck for the game winning goals by Russia and the Finns against Team Canada. Lets give him the pass.
Lecavilier_4 02-23-2006, 01:51 PM Why was Richards paired with this guy on the point? McCabe needs a dedicated setup man... and Richards needs to work with a compitent human being...
Ironchef Chris Wok* 02-23-2006, 01:52 PM Chris Pronger can take a regular shift and cough up the puck for the game winning goals by Russia and the Finns against Team Canada. Lets give him the pass.
I've said thigns about Chris Pronger this tournament you cannot repeat in front of children.
Team Canada can't score so the solution was to leave the NHL's elite offensive defenceman on the bench.
Neidermayer was injured.
Btw, McCabe had 18 PIMS. I think he had more penalty minutes than playing time.
Towelie* 02-23-2006, 01:53 PM I don't think McCabe was bad in the Russia game, he sucked entirely in all the games before it though.
therealdeal 02-23-2006, 01:53 PM As bad as he played, he had nothing to do with the loss, Pronger played worse than McCabe in most games, and its not like if we put in someone else we would have won.
BlueAndWhite 02-23-2006, 01:55 PM Btw, McCabe had 18 PIMS. I think he had more penalty minutes than playing time.
He had a ten minute misconduct penalty.
Ironchef Chris Wok* 02-23-2006, 01:58 PM He had a ten minute misconduct penalty.
I figured he wasn't out long enough to take 9 minor penalties
ChubarovRocks 02-23-2006, 01:58 PM Bryan McCabe played bad and he should feel bad. I hate you Bryan McCable with the power of 10 suns, not because you didn't belong on Team Canada, but because you're an overrated player. I would rather have Cory Cross on my team than you. Your mowhawk sucked, I hate the team you play for. You are a waste of a human being, and I bet your parents wished the condom never broke. I hate you, Bryan McCabe... with the power of 10 suns. Hate.
TexSen 02-23-2006, 01:59 PM I see there's like a Rick Nash one, a Joe Thornton one, the Bryan McCabe hate is diffused, so I'm just going to concentrate it in one thread.
(I'm really irrational right now)
I'm ashamed to have the same passport as this guy. I also can't believe we have to pay for his health insurance. And his children's schooling (if they go to public school)
This is probably the worst thread I've ever started, I know.
If by "worst" you mean "funniest" then yeah, it is the worst.
Some moderators and others around these boards need a sense of humor. Was there a specific need to address his thread? I don't remember the thread starter asking a question that needed your criticizms.
Ironchef Chris Wok* 02-23-2006, 02:01 PM If by "worst" you mean "funniest" then yeah, it is the worst.
Some moderators and others around these boards need a sense of humor. Was there a specific need to address his thread? I don't remember the thread starter asking a question that needed your criticizms.
My humour is not for everybody. I figured that out the time i made fun of the family of the girl that died at my high school
Hashmark 02-23-2006, 02:04 PM :shakehead
SSJTOM 02-23-2006, 02:23 PM Bryan McCabe ate my baby!
Steve L* 02-23-2006, 04:14 PM He sucks but wasnt the reason they were eliminated.
futurcorerock 02-23-2006, 04:15 PM There shouldn't be any threads like this: Team Canada messed up as a team.
thebodyczech 02-23-2006, 04:17 PM Why was Richards paired with this guy on the point? McCabe needs a dedicated setup man... and Richards needs to work with a compitent human being...
As we say in country of my home: OWNED!
I'll jump in too; he's useless. You couldn't pay me enough money to have him on my blueline.
Not surprised he's a Leaf. ;)
I see there's like a Rick Nash one, a Joe Thornton one, the Bryan McCabe hate is diffused, so I'm just going to concentrate it in one thread.Theres no need to bash McCabe. All he did is play as badly as many of us said when he was picked. Gretzky shouldnt have picked him, Quinn shouldnt have played him. Many people said Phaneuf should have been there over McCabe, and not just in hindsight.
Its not McCabes fault he was picked. he just never should have been there in the first place.
Big Mama* 02-23-2006, 04:29 PM Neidermayer was injured.
Btw, McCabe had 18 PIMS. I think he had more penalty minutes than playing time.
Niederayer doesn't put up the points of McCabe. The previous season McCabe was 2nd in d-man scoring and this year he is averaging over a point per game on a lousy offensive team. I don't think a defenceman has done that since the 80's.
McCabe has as many goals as Blake, Pronger and JBo combined. He has as many GWG as all the other Team Canada defenceman combined.
Niederayer doesn't put up the points of McCabe. The previous season McCabe was 2nd in d-man scoring and this year he is averaging over a point per game on a lousy offensive team. I don't think a defenceman has done that since the 80's.
McCabe has as many goals as Blake, Pronger and JBo combined. He has as many GWG as all the other Team Canada defenceman combined.Whats your point?
Neidermayer is a Norris trophy winner, a complete player and makes his teammates better. McCabe doesnt compare to Neidermayer. Not even remotely close. Any advantages gained by McCabe's pp shot is offset by his lack of defensive ability and boneheaded on-ice decisions.
sabresrat 02-23-2006, 04:58 PM I want the Leafs to sign him to a 90 million dollar 10 year deal to tie up all of their cap space.
Hockey_Nut99 02-23-2006, 04:59 PM It's so pointless to make these threads. Almost all of them were bad. Some were just worse than others. As long as the play doesn't carry back to the NHL, I'm sure most people don't care for th emost part..
Matrix 02-23-2006, 05:00 PM Whats your point?
Neidermayer is a Norris trophy winner, a complete player and makes his teammates better. McCabe doesnt compare to Neidermayer. Not even remotely close. Any advantages gained by McCabe's pp shot is offset by his lack of defensive ability and boneheaded on-ice decisions.
You've got it wrong man......Niedermayer is a Norris trophy winner but McCabe WILL be a Norris trophy winner....Don't ever forget it..... ;) I'm sure I read his name as potential nominee for the trophy so....
But seriously what's the point of bashing a player who should've never be part of this. It's not McCabe's fault if the management decided that he was the best replacement possible. What would you have done if you were him??? McCabe received the call and obviously decided to go probably knowing his limitations during that kind of tournament. That's Gretzky and Co.'s fault not McCabe. He did the best he could and mistakes he made were not due to the lack of effort.
And don't get me wrong, I'm a Hab Fan so the Leafs for me, on 30 teams in the NHL, are my 45th favorite team but I would start blaming players that deserved to be there and didn't do anything before a player that gave what he had but had no room to begin with.
Kurtz 02-23-2006, 05:05 PM The first two meaningless games aside, Mccabe was team Canada's top player, next to Marty.
He saved a couple of pucks from going in, prevented a few odd-man rushes, skated the puck well on the pp (well when he got a chance to) and took a couple of bullet shots from the point which the forwards weren't competent enough to get their sticks on. All this, as a 7th dman.
If you really think there was a single skater better than Mccabe for team Canada, I'd like to see some factual backup here. Every single forward was horrid (some moreso than others) and so was every other dman (other than Redden, whom I didn't notice, so perhaps he didnt suck. And I suppose Blake wasnt all bad).
edit: Whoops, a bashing thread...bashing thread...Well, I heard the sunva***** double parks.
arrbez 02-23-2006, 05:56 PM I don't think McCabe was bad in the Russia game, he sucked entirely in all the games before it though.
Yeah, he was craptacular to start the tournament, but improved a bit as it went on. He was passable against the Czechs, and solid against Russia I thought
EazyB97 02-23-2006, 06:04 PM hy was Richards paired with this guy on the point? McCabe needs a dedicated setup man... and Richards needs to work with a compitent human being...
Richards was paired with Blake, he rarely saw time with McCabe.
Theres no need to bash McCabe. All he did is play as badly as many of us said when he was picked. Gretzky shouldnt have picked him, Quinn shouldnt have played him. Many people said Phaneuf should have been there over McCabe, and not just in hindsight.
Its not McCabes fault he was picked. he just never should have been there in the first place.
It is McCabes fault, because he didn’t withdraw, if he truly cared about Canada he would have let somebody better take his place. McCabe knows how bad he is, so i must conclude that BRIAN MCCABE HATE'S CANADA because he played for us.
My name is pox and i am a McCabe hater
HellsBells 02-23-2006, 06:36 PM Sure Phaneuf, Boyle & Hannan would have all been better choices but Team Canada would have lost anyway.
Hedberg 02-23-2006, 06:56 PM The only reason McCabe is good this season is because the blue lines were extended 5 feet.
Alberta Yote 02-23-2006, 07:05 PM I don't get what all of the fuss is about. McCabe played to his full abilities, capabilities and expectations. That's all there is folks.
Other players did not.
EazyB97 02-23-2006, 08:36 PM ... and last season? He's been decent for a while. He's the same player now that he's always been. He was mis-used in the olympics and they opted to bench him when he played poorly and not other D-men in similar situations (see Regehr and Bouwmeister).
He had a brutal tourney, he's better than that in the NHL, but he isn't a dominant D-man. Phaneuf may have been better, but no one else really comes to mind. Boyle doesn't offer the same game and subbing him with Bouw would have been better. Hannan played brutal during the World cup and I can't see how he would offer anything great to the team. He plays a similar game to Regehr, but doesn't do it as well. Then take into account Regehr's struggles on the big ice, I don't see alot of hope for a guy like Hannan.
McCabe was one of many Canadian players who didn't play up to their abilities.
Big Mama* 02-23-2006, 08:41 PM Whats your point?
Neidermayer is a Norris trophy winner, a complete player and makes his teammates better. McCabe doesnt compare to Neidermayer. Not even remotely close. Any advantages gained by McCabe's pp shot is offset by his lack of defensive ability and boneheaded on-ice decisions.
Aki Berg is still playing and so is Dany Markov and Sergei Gonchar. Apparently they can play on teams that shutout Team Canada. But the elite offensive defenceman in the NHL can't play a regular shift for a Team that was shutout three times. Right there is the one of the reasons Team Canada lost. And the mentality that goes with it.
Big Mama* 02-23-2006, 08:44 PM The only reason McCabe is good this season is because the blue lines were extended 5 feet.
The previous season he was second in D-man scoring, selected to the 2nd Allstar team and was fourth in Norris Trophy voting.
pepty 02-23-2006, 08:49 PM You tell them, Big Mama! No doubt, if McCabe had played more, the gold medal would have been Canada's.
He was the dominant d-man on the ice, bailing the other players out time after time!The only reason why his stats were so ghastly was that he didn't have enough time on the ice.
Really,people can be so short sighted!!
Aki Berg is still playing and so is Dany Markov and Sergei Gonchar. Apparently they can play on teams that shutout Team Canada. But the elite offensive defenceman in the NHL can't play a regular shift for a Team that was shutout three times. Right there is the one of the reasons Team Canada lost. And the mentality that goes with it.Well, those other teams dont have the depth that Canada has. There were better options than McCabe. You dont want to see that, so whatever. Its pretty obvious to everyone else here.
Schenn02 02-23-2006, 08:52 PM :shakehead
McCabe played fine in the Russia game, he wasn't great otherwise but don't bash him for the game against Russia.
Jimmi Jenkins 02-23-2006, 08:54 PM McCabe is an overrate piece of Garbage, and I think he should be banned from being on any future National teams, unless he wants to be the stick boy, but I'm sure without Kaberle there he'd screw that up too. This season's biggest tragedy would be if McCabe wins or is even in top three in Norris Trophy voting. He was a waste of a Roster spot.
Dogbert 02-23-2006, 08:56 PM McCabe was bad, but Foote and Pronger were worse. He should've had more ice time than he did, considering that those two were on so often.
Big Mama* 02-23-2006, 09:21 PM Well, those other teams dont have the depth that Canada has. There were better options than McCabe. You dont want to see that, so whatever. Its pretty obvious to everyone else here.
Team Canada's depth got them shutout three times while they left the NHL's highest scoring defenceman on the bench. The other options failed. That is a fact.
The best option was to play McCabe when the Team is being shutout. What other possible option could there be than playing the NHL's highest scoring d-man when the team is getting shutout. Finland is using Aki Berg and winning.
Steveorama 02-23-2006, 09:24 PM McCabe was certainly Canada's worst dman over the 6 games, but I thought he was decent versus the Russkies. The only dman who played well, IMO, was Blake, although I liked some of Bouwmeester's play, too.
Canada did not lose because their #7 dman sucked, guys.
Geese_Howard 02-23-2006, 09:39 PM McCabe got no playing time, he had very little and wasnt utilized on the PP where he is most effect, look how horrible the teams PP was... Im sorry, you can say mccabe was bad and I agree, but im more pissed with the fact that players I thought would carry us played worse then Donald Brashers and Tie Domi's love child.... how sad is it when our best forward was Shane Doan, no offence I love him as a player but he was a 12th or 13th forward on this team.
Stephen 02-23-2006, 11:31 PM Why is McCabe getting singled out when Pronger and Blake were pegged as the top defensemen on the unit and they did nothing but stink it up? Even though Canada completely sucked against Russia, they scored their two goals because of two Pronger gifts, namely throwing the puck in front of the net casually on the Ovechkin goal, and passing the puck right into the feet of the Russian he had to haul down with a minute to go. Yes McCabe stunk, but Pronger should be the goat.
tml_4ever 02-23-2006, 11:49 PM I don't get why he's getting singled out either. The whole team sucked and that's why we lost, plain and simple folks! It's funny how we can figure out 30 + -30 = 0.....but we can't seem to figure out 30s (suck) = WHOLE TEAM SUCKS!!!! :rant:
I thought McCabe was the best Canadain defenceman against Russia, while he was simply brutal at the start of the tournament. Good to see his improvement.
I think the whole coaching staff sucked, and players like Iginla, Heatley, Lecavalier, Redden, Regher, Nash and most of all Pronger really played well below their capabilities.
It's embarrassing to see your team out played and out coached at such a high level of competition.
Brodeur was excellent, and Luongo was good as well.
Transplanted Caper 02-23-2006, 11:57 PM I want the Leafs to sign him to a 90 million dollar 10 year deal to tie up all of their cap space.
Its an HF Fact that any thread can produce a joke about Mike Milbury regardless of the intent to or not.
Also..Bryan Mccabe is in favour of child poverty.
Team Canada's depth got them shutout three times while they left the NHL's highest scoring defenceman on the bench. The other options failed. That is a fact.
The best option was to play McCabe when the Team is being shutout. What other possible option could there be than playing the NHL's highest scoring d-man when the team is getting shutout. Finland is using Aki Berg and winning.
Um, the other options I was referring to was to pick a decent defenseman instead of McCabe. McCabe never should have been on the team. If we had a better dman, then we could have played him and not play an injured Blake and injured Pronger as much.
Thats the other option I was referring to. You totally misunderstood what I was talking about.
Everyone here thinks McCabe stinks and his own coach wouldnt play him in the tournament. Open your eyes. Theres no conspiracy. He's a 1-dimensional player whos strengths are grossly overshadowed by his weaknesses.
Theres a reason why you are a minority in your opinions.
...and no, I'm not saying its his fault that Canada lost. Read my posts if you want my opinion and blame the thread starter if you dont like the subject.
Nova88 02-24-2006, 03:05 AM I though McCabe played well vs Russia.
Platapie 02-24-2006, 07:46 AM and not play an injured Blake and injured Pronger as much.
Please, we played those two because of the assumption they could get the job done. They didn't, and Pronger in particular looked pathetic out there. Note however, how that doesn't mean he's a bad defenseman.
Alberta Yote 02-24-2006, 10:19 AM Also..Bryan Mccabe is in favour of child poverty.
See, now there's a fact I didn't know.
That is why I spend hours pouring through these informative threads. Well, that and the fact I have no real life.
Golden Slumbers 02-24-2006, 11:26 AM Not sure I saw him do a single thing right in the entire tourney...constant turnovers and giveaways, bad penalties, and he couldn't even connect on one of his famous one-timers.
EDIT: those beating heart leafs avatars are funny.
Big Mama* 02-24-2006, 11:31 AM Um, the other options I was referring to was to pick a decent defenseman instead of McCabe. McCabe never should have been on the team. If we had a better dman, then we could have played him and not play an injured Blake and injured Pronger as much.
Thats the other option I was referring to. You totally misunderstood what I was talking about.
Your option is to not play the top offensive defenceman on a team that was shutout three times. But to play an inferior offensive player. How would that have helped Team Canada win. The problem was goal scoring. McCabe has as many goals as Pronger, Blake and JBo combined.
Nihilism 02-24-2006, 11:37 AM Phaneuf > McCabe
Difference is, Phaneuf's coach wasn't involved with the team and wasn't trying to re-sign him.
If Phaneuf, Staal, Crosby or Spezza played for
1) Vancouver
2) Edmonton
3) Toronto
4) Phoenix
They would have been on the team.
Nihilism 02-24-2006, 11:41 AM The first two meaningless games aside, Mccabe was team Canada's top player.
What are you on drugs? That has to be the most misguided statement I've ever seen on this board. Didn't you even watch the games? Obviously not.
Please explain how he was Canada's best player?
-2, kicked out for a cheap shot on a German player, no goals, no assists, nothing.
Kurtz 02-24-2006, 11:46 AM What are you on drugs? That has to be the most misguided statement I've ever seen on this board. Didn't you even watch the games? Obviously not.
Please explain how he was Canada's best player?
-2, kicked out for a cheap shot on a German player, no goals, no assists, nothing.
Im not on any drugs, but perhaps you should get a prescription to help with your ADD.
1)I clearly stated, in that post, that Mccabe was the SECOND best, not the best,
2) I already explained why he was the 2nd best,
3) And finally I stated that he was the 2nd best player outside of the first two meaningless games. When it mattered, he was great.
Your option is to not play the top offensive defenceman on a team that was shutout three times. But to play an inferior offensive player. How would that have helped Team Canada win. The problem was goal scoring. McCabe has as many goals as Pronger, Blake and JBo combined.Well, maybe you should ask his coach why he didnt play him then. Its pretty obvious to most everyone but you.
Geese_Howard 02-24-2006, 01:38 PM McCabe believes a womes place it as home and should have no right to vote!
Bruins74 02-24-2006, 01:45 PM McCabe was brutal. In the little time he spent on the ice, he was bad. He didn't add anything to the team.
I guess Team Canada should've spoken to the team executives from that Swedish team McCabe played for during the lockout. You know, the team he got cut from.
Shane 02-24-2006, 01:55 PM Bryan McCabe is a terrible human being and he doesn't deserve to live.
...
What, too far?
Shane 02-24-2006, 01:56 PM Difference is, Phaneuf's coach wasn't involved with the team and wasn't trying to re-sign him.
If Phaneuf, Staal, Crosby or Spezza played for
1) Vancouver
2) Edmonton
3) Toronto
4) Phoenix
They would have been on the team.
What about Philadelphia and Florida?
Crazy_Ike 02-24-2006, 02:25 PM McCabe showed he was not an elite level defenseman. He had no business being on the team and it showed. 0 points, most penalties, and worst +/- - they don't lie. Overall he was Canada's worst player by a fairly wide margin.
They didn't dare play him when they needed more points because he was more likely to let the other team score than help put one in for Canada.
Narnia 02-24-2006, 02:29 PM Please, we played those two because of the assumption they could get the job done. They didn't, and Pronger in particular looked pathetic out there. Note however, how that doesn't mean he's a bad defenseman.
If you don't believe the injury had something to do with his play, I don't know what to say. In the Edmonton Journal today, it mentioned that Pronger's foot will now certainly take longer to heal. IMO, Pronger should have withdrawn as it was clear that his foot was bothering him.
EazyB97 02-24-2006, 02:44 PM McCabe showed he was not an elite level defenseman. He had no business being on the team and it showed. 0 points, most penalties, and worst +/- - they don't lie. Overall he was Canada's worst player by a fairly wide margin.
They didn't dare play him when they needed more points because he was more likely to let the other team score than help put one in for Canada.
You can look at the +/- two ways 1) He was awful in his own end against crap opposotion or 2) He was decent against the better oppositions.
He was at fault for the goal against Italy, but the other 2 goals he was on for weren't his fault. Compare that to the other goals where at least one D was usually responsible, and it wasn't as bad as most people would have you believe.
Dogbert 02-24-2006, 05:10 PM If you don't believe the injury had something to do with his play, I don't know what to say. In the Edmonton Journal today, it mentioned that Pronger's foot will now certainly take longer to heal. IMO, Pronger should have withdrawn as it was clear that his foot was bothering him.
You just stated the exact reason that people are angry with Pronger after these Games.
Did his injury impede him from playing his best? Of COURSE it did; everyone knows that. The bottom line is that the decision to play was his and his alone. At any point in that tournament, Pronger could have simply said "My foot is not allowing me to play my best game, so I am going to step aside and let Dan Boyle play." He didn't, and it hurt Team Canada. That's why people are ragging Pronger.
Platapie 02-24-2006, 06:06 PM If you don't believe the injury had something to do with his play, I don't know what to say. In the Edmonton Journal today, it mentioned that Pronger's foot will now certainly take longer to heal. IMO, Pronger should have withdrawn as it was clear that his foot was bothering him.
Fine, Pronger isn't a horrid D-man, he's just an idiot. Happy now? The above poster covered it well, but if you're too hurt to be anything but useless out there, you should get the fck off the ice.
In any event, there were plenty of elite players on team Canada that did jack, Mccabe being one of them. Why we single him out is beyond me. With that said, Mccabe clearly can't play on International ice, so I agree that future competitions that have that as a requirement should not consider him. With that said, and as I already stated, there were plenty of elite players who played like trash all tournament. However, the fact that Mccabe played terribly is evidence that he's a crap D-man.. how about the other players that played like crap?
Logical holes on Hfboards? Shocker!
Honus Joglund 02-24-2006, 08:46 PM and he couldn't even connect on one of his famous one-timers.
Yea, he couldn't even pass the puck to himself to let a one-timer go, what a scrub.
Ironchef Chris Wok* 03-16-2006, 08:28 AM Wow, this thread actually made it to 3 pages.
Bryan McCabe hates freedom
:biglaugh: So a guy that barely played in many of the games gets blamed for team Canada losing :biglaugh: :shakehead .
You people make me sick for real, everyone knows your just ragging on Mccabe because he plays for the Leafs. I wonder what would have happened if Mccabe had scored the winning goal against Russia :sarcasm: . Some would say it was a fluke and give him no praise anyway, Mccabe can't win with you people until he plays somewhere else when your idiot thoughts on the leafs in general won't corrupt your judgement. Seriously some of you guys need help, all this hate makes it look like your all bitter because the leafs get so much attention in hockey circles. Even hated your forced to recognize them and I bet it kills many of you inside
Ironchef Chris Wok* 03-16-2006, 11:52 PM :biglaugh: So a guy that barely played in many of the games gets blamed for team Canada losing :biglaugh: :shakehead .
I could have actually picked almost anybody off the team to start a hate thread, but Bryan McCabe was 1) Definitely the worst and 2) Defeinitely the most to draw the most indignant responses about bias.
A lot of the arguments i've heard was:
1. He didn't play enough to hurt the team that much.
18PIM in the entire tourney (1 misconduct incl.)? C'mon
2. He was only bad because he didn't get enough ice time...
The counterargument is that he should be fresher ont he limited shifts he received.
3. We just hate him because he plays for the Leafs
He's played for teams OTHER than the Leafs
Ironchef Chris Wok* 03-16-2006, 11:56 PM Bryan McCabes asks kids to drop out of school
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