Please never put Rick Nash on another team Canada!

I said it before and I will say it again. Rick Nash has NEVER been part of a winning team. He is not a complete player, he is not even as effective an offensive force as potrayed as he showed here, maybe at times he can be, but he is not reliably so and goes through cold spells at any moment. A team will never win with Rick Nash on it. I am not saying that is the only reason they lost in the quarters, I am just saying I know for a fact no team will ever be a winner with Rick Nash on it. Please Team Canada NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER put Rick Nash on another Team Canada ever again, since Rick Nash is dead weight on a team Canada and a team will never be a winner with him on it. Heck you could put him on a junior team and they would probably lose because he was there, I think the London Knights still owned his hockey rights during the lockout and he was of age(20), thank goodness he did not return to them and cost them the Memorial Cup.

Anyway I had resigned myself to the fact Rick Nash would be on many team Canadas in the future, undeservedly so probably, but I had accepted it, and resigned myself to cheer him on as a member of Team Canadas. Now though I have faith after his abysmal performance in Turino, he was the worst forward of all on an overall dissapointing team performance, that the powers that be will see what an overrated commodity he is and disregard him for any future World Championship, World Cup, or Olympics. Thank goodness I will probably never have to see Rick Nash in a Team Canada jersey, pulling dead weight around again. Halaluhah!

Rick Nash? More liek Rick LOSER, amirite?

This is either a really good parody of the senseless Rick Nash bashing going on around the boards... Or it is what it is.

:biglaugh:

Why don't you just say "Please give me a chance to select the next members of Team Canada." ?

I think some people have very selective memory so that they can ignore the fact they don't like (like Rick Nash was one of the best forwards in World Championship 2005 as a member of Team Canada) and concentrate the fact they like. (like Rick Nash as a member of 2006 Team Canada)

So let me get this straight, the argument goes that it's Rick Nash's fault that Canada only won silver in Austria AND it's Rick Nash's fault that they didn't win anything in Turin? What's the biggest difference between these two events as it pertains to Rick Nash... let me see... Rick Nash played more minutes in Austria, right? So let me see if we can work up some sort of formula here:

Team Canada + (Rick Nash + ice time) = WC silver medal
Team Canada + (Rick Nash - ice time) = quarterfinal elimination in Olympics

Whose fault is it again?

Rick Nash was unfairly benched in the Czech game. But what does he do when he comes back?

HE TRIPS THE OPPOSING GOALTENDER

I'm sorry that Rick Nash dated a girl you liked in highschool or whatever this is really about but Nash barely played!

I can't find any olympice hockey stats, but I bet he played the fewest minutes of any player. So really this had nothing to do with him, if anything it could have been a better outcome if Nash played more.

if anything it could have been a better outcome if Nash played more.

I doubt that

Careful guys

Rick Nash is very young and will mature and improve his 2-way game. It does not make any sense to wish for his absence from future Canadian clubs (unless you're a Canada hater, like me ;) )

:shakehead

but Nash barely played!

I can't find any olympice hockey stats, but I bet he played the fewest minutes of any player. So really this had nothing to do with him, if anything it could have been a better outcome if Nash played more.

You do realize that the reason he barely played was because he was making the team worse, do you?

Reasons he was being benched:

(1) He was taking stupid penalties left and right.
(2) He was not coming off on line changes when the rest of hs line was leaving the ice.
(3) He was not even trying to backcheck or play defensively responsible hockey.
(4) He was a one-dimensional offensive player who wasn't producing, and was looking clueless and disorganzed in the offensive zone.

This tournament proved what I thought of Nash all along. He was a loafer whose main reason for success on Columbus was that he is the "go-to guy".

Not saying that he isn't a good player. But I hope that this tournament wakes people up to how over-rated and over-hyped he is. He is no superstar, or star. Yet people talk about this 57-point player as though he is some kind of hybrid between Maurice Richard and Mike Bossy? I never understood it. And I hope that Nash-mania calms down a little now that he has looked bad playing against elite competition.

Rick Nash was unfairly benched in the Czech game. But what does he do when he comes back?

HE TRIPS THE OPPOSING GOALTENDER

Did you see the "penalty"! Goalies have been and always will be some of the biggest divers. Nash was playing the puck and I don't even think he touched Nabakov, but Nabakov was like, "oh, guess I'll fall down to get us a powerplay." Horrible call, just like alot of them. I think if goalies want to act like defenseman and play the puck than they should be allowed to be checked into the boards like defenseman so they think twice about it. In the NHL if you want to cut down on goalies playing the puck get rid of the trapazoid and just make them open game. More interesting, more effective, and it goes with their theme of more scoring (especially if the goalie gets checked to the ice).

Other than the horrible play by North America, I think the next worse thing was the officiating, at least so far. I'm not saying agaist just Canada, but every game against every team. There was a couple times where they actually invented calls that they didn't see well after the fact because someone was injured. Just about every other play I saw the ref or a linesman get in somebodys way or deflect a puck. Oh how bout Nash's goal that wasn't allowed, not only did they get it wrong IMO but even worse they took 20 minutes to deceide!!

This topic is a travesty, the blame should be squarely placed on the Shoulders of Bryan McCabe, that's two Olympic dreams he's shattered, Team Canada's, and Nacy Kerrigan's. What a jerk.

There isn't any Canadians in the Top 30 in tournament scoring.

Rick Nash was the least of their problems. He's 21 years old, been injured most of the year, and was given about 6 minutes of ice a game.

You can argue he shouldn't have been selected, (I may even agree with you Canada has the most depth in the world and to pick a Spezza or Crosby etc... is fine), but to say he should never be selected makes you look really really really stupid.
To say that he sucked in this tournament I don't believe is a fair statement given his opportunities. Canada ONLY scored 10 goals at Even Strength in 6 Olympic games. (Nash did have a legit one disallowed). He received no PP time (I'm not saying he deserved it) and got every other even strength shift with his line.....

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What happened to the rest of Canada's finishers? Oh, that's right. They didn't score either. No reason to single out Nash.

Please, always put Nash and Bertuzzi. Your opponents need PPs! :sarcasm:

Wait Ferns, Nash was the one taking stupid penalties left and right!!!????? :biglaugh:

Most of his shifts (all 8 in the tournament) Canada put offensive pressure on the other team. Nash is offensive, not very defensive. Look what not playing him got Canada, losing three of their last four games by 2-0. Yeah CLEARLY defense was their problem. :biglaugh:

Players don't always come off the same time, maybe staying on the ice showed that he actually wanted to play unlike everyone else. But than Quinn probably took offence to it and deceided to bench him for caring. Maybe he was scared that it might catch on to the rest of the team and ruin his gameplan. :sarcasm:

Okay, it's obvious that I like Nash, and that you just hate Nash. Noones gonna win this argument, but blaming Nash who played less than anyone else for Canada's problems is just idiotic.

Candian men's hockey olympic stats:

GP G A P +/-
Brad Richards F 6 2 2 4 3
Shane Doan F 6 2 1 3 3
Martin St. Louis F 6 2 1 3 2
Dany Heatley F 6 2 1 3 1
Jarome Iginla F 6 2 1 3 1
Chris Pronger D 6 1 2 3 2
Simon Gagne F 6 1 2 3 1
Joe Thornton F 6 1 2 3 -1
Joe Sakic F 6 1 2 3 -1
Vincent Lecavalier F 6 0 3 3 2
Todd Bertuzzi F 6 0 3 3 1
Wade Redden D 6 1 0 1 2
Robyn Regehr D 6 0 1 1 1
Adam Foote D 6 0 1 1 1
Ryan Smyth F 6 0 1 1 1
Rob Blake D 6 0 1 1 0
Rick Nash F 6 0 1 1 -2
Jay Boumeester D 6 0 0 0 4
Kris Draper F 6 0 0 0 2
Bryan McCabe D 6 0 0 0 -3

http://www.tsn.ca/olympics/statistics/?team=can

So yeah - while RN didn't have a good tourney neither did anyone else on this squad. Heck RN's ice time was nothing and on top of that he got hosed on his goal that was waived off. Nobody on this squad of allstars even averaged a point per game. The entire team underachieved.

If you gonna blame somebody blame Team Canada for their performance. Only here at HF can someone have the audacity to point the finger at one guy.

Always funny to watch the wannabies womitting theire thrash and filth in theise forums, though not very interesting.

Yeah blame the kid for the losses .. ROFLMAO

Candian men's hockey olympic stats:

GP G A P +/-
Brad Richards F 6 2 2 4 3
Shane Doan F 6 2 1 3 3
Martin St. Louis F 6 2 1 3 2
Dany Heatley F 6 2 1 3 1
Jarome Iginla F 6 2 1 3 1
Chris Pronger D 6 1 2 3 2
Simon Gagne F 6 1 2 3 1
Joe Thornton F 6 1 2 3 -1
Joe Sakic F 6 1 2 3 -1
Vincent Lecavalier F 6 0 3 3 2
Todd Bertuzzi F 6 0 3 3 1
Wade Redden D 6 1 0 1 2
Robyn Regehr D 6 0 1 1 1
Adam Foote D 6 0 1 1 1
Ryan Smyth F 6 0 1 1 1
Rob Blake D 6 0 1 1 0
Rick Nash F 6 0 1 1 -2
Jay Boumeester D 6 0 0 0 4
Kris Draper F 6 0 0 0 2
Bryan McCabe D 6 0 0 0 -3

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Thank God for Italy!

Canada got shut out in three games.

In the game agains the Czechs, Vokoun was craptacular and allowed 2 soft goals. They got outshot 33-16.

Yeah, it's all Nash's fault. :sarcasm:

The fact that Team Canada played piss-poorly gives the handful with a personal animus towards Nash --- the Nash-bashers from before the selection --- a chance to claim they were "right all along".

And wildone is 'Example A' of this phenomenon.

i really don't understand this rick nash bashing... how old is the guy???

Perhaps Rick Nash shouldn't have been on this team... especially for his injury for most of the season. But to say he shouldn't be on the next team is mental. He certainly shouldn't be written in ink on the 2010 team right now. He may or may not be a star. He may or may not win another Rocket Richard trophy. Or he may win 2 or 3 before the next Olympics. You decide who is on the Olympic team the year of the Olympics not 4 years before. And Nash as a 21 year old star is not to blame for our failure. Gretzky and Quinn and the coaches and our veteran players are. Nash deserves little blame and should be considered on his merits in 2010.

This whole thread is moot. The biggest crock of **** from sore losers in Canada. No, Jason Spezza, Eric Staal, and Sidney Crosby wouldn't have made a difference. Yes, Hockey Canada was ill prepared at all levels for the tournament.

This isn't one players fault.

1) Rick Nash WAS a part of a winning team, the 2004-2005 Davos squad who won the league championship, where Nash was voted best Forward.

2) 2005 World Championships where Rick Nash dominated and led Canada to a Silver Medal.

Rick Nash is going to play for Team Canada again, and guess what? You'll have to sit there and like it, or go find another national team to root for, like Switzerland

This whole thread is moot. The biggest crock of **** from sore losers in Canada. No, Jason Spezza, Eric Staal, and Sidney Crosby wouldn't have made a difference. Yes, Hockey Canada was ill prepared at all levels for the tournament.

This isn't one players fault.

1) Rick Nash WAS a part of a winning team, the 2004-2005 Davos squad who won the league championship, where Nash was voted best Forward.

2) 2005 World Championships where Rick Nash dominated and led Canada to a Silver Medal.

Rick Nash is going to play for Team Canada again, and guess what? You'll have to sit there and like it, or go find another national team to root for, like Switzerland

Hopefully not the kind of difference Nash made. Not that he should be singled out.

Hopefully not the kind of difference Nash made. Not that he should be singled out.
He really wasn't given a chance to make a difference.

Hopefully not the kind of difference Nash made. Not that he should be singled out.
Canada got shut out how many times?

Rick Nash wasn't going to score all those goals.

Atleast that's the premise that goes around here about him on HF: If he scores goals, he's Canada's golden child and will be welcomed with open arms with the Leafs, but if he doesn't he's a bust, he's less than Spezza, etc etc.

Nash had a goal taken away against the Swiss and had the best scoring chance against Finland. Where was Sakic, Iginla, Richards, Thorton, etc etc etc? There were alot of problems with TEAM Canada, and there were much bigger ones than Rick Nash.

Did you see the "penalty"! Goalies have been and always will be some of the biggest divers. Nash was playing the puck and I don't even think he touched Nabakov, but Nabakov was like, "oh, guess I'll fall down to get us a powerplay." Horrible call, just like alot of them. I think if goalies want to act like defenseman and play the puck than they should be allowed to be checked into the boards like defenseman so they think twice about it. In the NHL if you want to cut down on goalies playing the puck get rid of the trapazoid and just make them open game. More interesting, more effective, and it goes with their theme of more scoring (especially if the goalie gets checked to the ice).

There are so many things wrong with this paragraph that it fascinates me.

Let's start with the fact that goaltending equipment is not designed to take a check.

Further, goaltending equipment does not allow for the peripheral vision of a regular skater.

Third, goaltenders aren't usually expecting to get hit. The fact that a goaltender falls over from being bumped is more likely a result of this than from him being a "diver".

Fourth, legal or not, a goaltender checked to the ice is going to result in a brawl.

Have you ever played goal?

There are so many things wrong with this paragraph that it fascinates me.

Let's start with the fact that goaltending equipment is not designed to take a check.

Further, goaltending equipment does not allow for the peripheral vision of a regular skater.

Third, goaltenders aren't usually expecting to get hit. The fact that a goaltender falls over from being bumped is more likely a result of this than from him being a "diver".

Fourth, legal or not, a goaltender checked to the ice is going to result in a brawl.

Have you ever played goal?


Fifth he took his feet out from under him!

nash seems to run into the goalie whenever his team needs a late g. he did vs russia, suisse, and i've seen him do it several times in NHL.

don't know why b/c he must know that's a penalty. :dunno:

this is just the latest of threads bashing canada's disappointments. there are threads for:

thornton, regehr, pronger, mccabe, bertuzzi, iginla, quinn, gretzky, and now nash. did i miss any?

How quick some of you are to turn on Nash. At last year's world championships he was a hero and now it's "never put Nash on another team Canada"

Rick Nash had a terrible tournament (yet still better then Iginla, Bertuzzi, Lecavlier, ect) but there's no way you leave him off of any future Team Canada rosters. The guy's an incredible player, probably packs the biggest punch of both size and incredibly soft hands.

If ignorance is truely bliss, then these boards must be a helluva happy place :shakehead

How quick some of you are to turn on Nash. At last year's world championships he was a hero and now it's "never put Nash on another team Canada"

The guy that started this thread has always had it out for Rick, he started a thread here when Nash was selected and he's started at least one and high jacked a few more on the CBJ boards about him. I'd say about 200 of his 225 posts are anti Rick Nash.

i really don't understand this rick nash bashing... how old is the guy???
21. Everyone wants young players. He is the same age as Staal.

I think the London Knights still owned his hockey rights during the lockout and he was of age(20), thank goodness he did not return to them and cost them the Memorial Cup.

This is the single stupidest thing I have ever heard anyone say ever.

I don't understand all the Nash bashing as well. He wasn't played often either.

I said it before and I will say it again. Rick Nash has NEVER been part of a winning team. He is not a complete player, he is not even as effective an offensive force as potrayed as he showed here, maybe at times he can be, but he is not reliably so and goes through cold spells at any moment. A team will never win with Rick Nash on it. I am not saying that is the only reason they lost in the quarters, I am just saying I know for a fact no team will ever be a winner with Rick Nash on it. Please Team Canada NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER put Rick Nash on another Team Canada ever again, since Rick Nash is dead weight on a team Canada and a team will never be a winner with him on it. Heck you could put him on a junior team and they would probably lose because he was there, I think the London Knights still owned his hockey rights during the lockout and he was of age(20), thank goodness he did not return to them and cost them the Memorial Cup.

Anyway I had resigned myself to the fact Rick Nash would be on many team Canadas in the future, undeservedly so probably, but I had accepted it, and resigned myself to cheer him on as a member of Team Canadas. Now though I have faith after his abysmal performance in Turino, he was the worst forward of all on an overall dissapointing team performance, that the powers that be will see what an overrated commodity he is and disregard him for any future World Championship, World Cup, or Olympics. Thank goodness I will probably never have to see Rick Nash in a Team Canada jersey, pulling dead weight around again. Halaluhah!
You used "team Canada" 7 times in this post.

Nash just needs to learn to play the defensive game.

The one that I had a real problem with was Jumbo Joe Thornton...he was more like a Jumbo Shrimp...d1ckless on all accounts...again!

Then there was Redden, the magician. Disappeared again when going got tough.
Then there was Heatley. He's now caught the same disease that everyone else has been suffering in Ottawa.

Then there was Pronger, who never had the elite level talent to excel at this level. When you take a way his physicality, he's merely just a good defenseman who can be goaded into stupid penalities...then blame others for his mistakes.

Then there was Bertuzzi. He didn't go to jail but it probably would have been better for him if he did and didn't play the Olympics. His kid's kid's are gonna hear about how his grand pop was the idiot who singled handedly killed the game of hockey in Canada as we know it.

Then there was Nash, then there was Lecavlier...

What a shame...in hind sight, we should have sent the actual Junior Squad...they're still kids but at least they have hair on their balls and they would have competed. Where's Steve Downy when you need him?

Heck you could put him on a junior team and they would probably lose because he was there, I think the London Knights still owned his hockey rights during the lockout and he was of age(20), thank goodness he did not return to them and cost them the Memorial Cup.

You couldn't be more wrong with that statement. During the 2001-02 season, Nash's last season with the Knights, he was the main reason they beat out top seeded Plymouth in the first round and took a very good Erie Otters squad (Which went on to the MEm Cup that season) took them to the brink. Game 6 in OT before Erie finally eliminated Nash and the outmatched Knights squad who gave it everything.

Better get used to seeing Nash represent Canada in the future. This is just one of those "You learn the hard way" for not only Nash but the other young members of team Canada.

This whole thread is moot. The biggest crock of **** from sore losers in Canada. No, Jason Spezza, Eric Staal, and Sidney Crosby wouldn't have made a difference. Yes, Hockey Canada was ill prepared at all levels for the tournament.

I really don’t understand how people can say this. YES, ONE player could have made a difference. Forget about the round robin. Up until Pronger’s dumb a$$ penalty, this was a one goal game. One player is all it could have taken to go out there and put forth a single effort that resulted in a goal. Then guess what, it’s a whole new ball game. That could very easily have gotten the ball rolling. Another goal could have followed. And guess what, Canada could have won that game.

One player could have made a difference.
This isn't one players fault.

And if you bothered to look around, you’d see one player isn’t taking all the blame. But in this case, this particular player is justly and rightfully taking his share.

1) Rick Nash WAS a part of a winning team, the 2004-2005 Davos squad who won the league championship, where Nash was voted best Forward.

I was apart of a winning team in my 2004-2005 Men’s rec league. Why wasn’t I invited to play for Canada?

Seriously dude. Davos has being winning championships long before Nash, and more importantly, Joe Thornton ever showed up. This is hardly a feat worth bragging about.

2) 2005 World Championships where Rick Nash dominated and led Canada to a Silver Medal.

You don’t lead your team to a Silver Medal. No one wins Silver. Nash was invisible against the Czech’s, and that’s why Canada settled for Silver instead of winning Gold.

And furthermore, Joe Thornton dominated. Nash was along for the ride. Don’t believe me, watch the replays from Italy. No production out of Joe, no production out of Rick.

PS, Daniel Briere and Anason Carter have lead Canada to Gold in the past. Why weren’t they included on the team?

Rick Nash is going to play for Team Canada again, and guess what? You'll have to sit there and like it, or go find another national team to root for, like Switzerland

Then it looks like Canada will continue to lose. Because after all, Canada can’t win when Rick Nash is on the ice. Losing to Switzerland proves that.

Canada got shut out how many times?

Rick Nash wasn't going to score all those goals.

One would have been nice. I guess that is too much to ask from the guy who’s fans always need to remind every one he was the co-winner of the Richard Award.

Atleast that's the premise that goes around here about him on HF: If he scores goals, he's Canada's golden child and will be welcomed with open arms with the Leafs, but if he doesn't he's a bust, he's less than Spezza, etc etc.

Just for one second, reverse the situation.

See, many people questioned Nash’s selected. Some of us down right hated it. And for the exact reason we disagreed with his selection, is what ended up happening.

So, yes, we have all the right to have our say. Because Lord knows, if things happened differently, those of you who didn’t agree with our assessment would have your say about us.

Thank God for Italy!
:biglaugh:

I though Nash was over-rated when he got 41g and 10a. Alot of people though he was better then Kovy but it doesnt look like it. I also bet someone money that Nash will not get over 30g (before the year started).

If ignorance is truely bliss, then these boards must be a helluva happy place :shakehead

Amen

I though Nash was over-rated when he got 41g and 10a. Alot of people though he was better then Kovy but it doesnt look like it. I also bet someone money that Nash will not get over 30g (before the year started).

he's on pace for 31 goals this year, looks like you lose your bet

he's also on pace for 50pts in 54 games :dunno: pretty damn solid if you ask me

plus his +/- is even on a horrible defensive team

he's on pace for 31 goals this year, looks like you lose your bet

he's also on pace for 50pts in 54 games :dunno: pretty damn solid if you ask me

plus his +/- is even on a horrible defensive teamDon't bother.

Two or three Nash-bashers with a personal hatred of the guy see Team Canada's having laid an egg as a chance to thump their chests and say "I told you!!".

This will undoubtedly be the high point of their lives, and denying them that is cruel.

Willdone 26? Are you a clown?

The last year, Nash was the best canadian in Vienna with Thornton. He won the swiss championship and the Spengler Cup....

I said it before and I will say it again. Rick Nash has NEVER been part of a winning team. He is not a complete player!


He won the Swiss Championship/Spengler Cup during the Lockout :D

Nash won the Switzerland Championship with Davos last season.

I really don’t...

You made a bet with thomasincanada that you would lead HF forever if it wasn't a Kelowna-Rimouski Memorial Cup final last year. And you lost. Stay away, troll.

Wow, just wow.

Some of you may want to review the rules for posting on this site.

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