Malkin is out for the semifinal

Will Malkin play against Finland? He was thrown out of the game against Canada.

That has not been decided yet I believe.

Does anyone have video of what happened? It looked kind of like Malkin tried to kick Lecalvalier in the face, but the CBC seemed to miss it. If he did, I would not be surprized to see him miss the rest of the tournament.

Kicking with skates on is a definite nono. At least he doesn't have the same baggage as some agitator so will be interesting to see what happens.

He got a match penalty, which _should_ lead to a one game automatic suspension.

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isnt a 5 minute match play penalty an automatic 1 game suspension?

why wouldn't Malkin play?

Jarkko Ruutu got a 5+20 against the Czech Republic and played against Canada, so again, why wouldn't he play?

Ruutu wasn't suspended...

Ruutu wasn't suspended...

exactly

I heard a few days ago during one of the games I was watching, that there are no suspensions even if you get a match penalty. So I think Malkin will be playing.

just saw the replay again.
when i saw it on tv i didnt know why he got the match penalty because they didnt really focus on him and switched right away just before he tried to kick cavi...
whoa man.. i dont wanna imagine what wouldve happened if malkins blade connected with lecavaliers face.. very very dangerous and a total bonehead action by malkin...
i give him the benefit of being young but that was really stupid and i hope it the first and last time he did this..
in conclusion, he should be suspended for the next game, even though i love team russia

why wouldn't Malkin play?

Jarkko Ruutu got a 5+20 against the Czech Republic and played against Canada, so again, why wouldn't he play?

Ruutu didn't play because the Czechs choose not to report him to the "what-ever-it's-called". So if it's the same here, Canada can report him and then "what-ever-it's-called" judge the situation.

Shouldnt be any suspension imo..... the misconduct itself seemed a little harsh for just wrestling Vinny to the ground.

There didnt seem to be any sort of kick, only time Vinnys head got near Malkins feet was when Vinny punched Malkin in the ribs as he was sitting up.

Ruutu did play because the Czechs choose not to report him to the "what-ever-it's-called". So if it's the same here, Canada can report him and then "what-ever-it's-called" judge the situation.

fixed...

Shouldnt be any suspension imo..... the misconduct itself seemed a little harsh for just wrestling Vinny to the ground.

There didnt seem to be any sort of kick, only time Vinnys head got near Malkins feet was when Vinny punched Malkin in the ribs as he was sitting up.

first i thought that myself.. "why would they give him a match penalty for a poor wrestling grab" , but he really tried to kick him in the face.. and like i said.. it doesnt take much and vinnys face is split into halfs

just saw the replay again.
when i saw it on tv i didnt know why he got the match penalty because they didnt really focus on him and switched right away just before he tried to kick cavi...
whoa man.. i dont wanna imagine what wouldve happened if malkins blade connected with lecavaliers face.. very very dangerous and a total bonehead action by malkin...
i give him the benefit of being young but that was really stupid and i hope it the first and last time he did this..
in conclusion, he should be suspended for the next game, even though i love team russia

I strongly disagree. Lecavalier punched him in the face or near it for absolutely no reason, so there's no way you can blame Malkin here. Its not as if he threw a malicious kick at his face here, be merely shoved Vinny off of him without bringing the blade anywhere near Vinny's face.

I strongly disagree. Lecavalier punched him in the face or near it for absolutely no reason, so there's no way you can blame Malkin here. Its not as if he threw a malicious kick at his face here, be merely shoved Vinny off of him without bringing the blade anywhere near Vinny's face.


im not saying it was malkins intention to hit lecavalier with the blade, and im not saying lecavalier is innocent, but he couldve punched him instead of trying to kick him, and it was clear to me that he tried to kick him in the face.
now its all but´s and if´s , still it could have turned ugly.

oh and by the way.. i wouldnt call lecavaliers punch "for no reason" ... you know.. they were trailing 1-0, it was a close game , malkin wrestled him down.. so im sure there was alot of tension.. which doesnt really excuse his punch but helps to understand.

why wouldn't Malkin play?

Jarkko Ruutu got a 5+20 against the Czech Republic and played against Canada, so again, why wouldn't he play?


Ruutu got a normal 5 min boarding + 20 min game misconduct. Malkin got directly a 25min Match Penalty

I think it was an unintentional kick to Vinny. He tried to get out of this position and his skate went towards Vinny's chest... That's it, imo.

I don't see Malkin kicking? :confused: He fell and while off balance his leg went up a bit. Besides how can you kick someone in the face while hugging so tightly and falling? :help:

NVM, it was after the fall, which was hard to catch in the video. I see the kick now.

I don't see Malkin kicking? :confused: He fell and while off balance his leg went up a bit. Besides how can you kick someone in the face while hugging so tightly and falling? :help:

i cropped it to the important scene, and it looks like hes just off balance and his leg just goes up, but its a kicking motion...


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I don't see Malkin kicking? :confused: He fell and while off balance his leg went up a bit. Besides how can you kick someone in the face while hugging so tightly and falling? :help:

NVM, it was after the fall, which was hard to catch in the video. I see the kick now.

it's when both are on the ice an the ref comes in.....look at 00:10 and 00:11 of the video....i think that's the situation

I didnt see any kick in that vid, but I did see Kaspar give Lecavalier a bit of a facewash. I am wondering if Lecavalier thought that was Malkin's doing too. Was there more to it than that, as it would seem to be a very harsh penalty for that.

it's when both are on the ice an the ref comes in.....look at 00:10 and 00:11 of the video....i think that's the situation
Game misconduct for that "kick" ? :dunno: *** :rant:
I think we should wait for the official information.

Who dont see kick look at Malkin's right leg, when referee comes to Lecavalier and Malkin, Lecavalier beats Malkin in face, Malkin kick him with leg

Didn't look like a kicking motion in the video,granted his skate did come up towards the end of it there,but it never made contact with Lecavalier and it was closer to his chest...nowhere near his face. Lecavalier also punched him and if the officials wouldn't have stepped in,things could've gotten out of hand.

Game misconduct for that "kick" ? :dunno: *** :rant:
I think we should wait for the official information.

Who dont see kick look at Malkin's right leg, when referee comes to Lecavalier and Malkin, Lecavalier beats Malkin in face, Malkin kick him with leg


Malkin's leg never even makes contact with Lecavalier. It comes up,but does not make contact at all.

Well, the question is "Will Malkin play against Finland?" not "Did Malkin kick Lecavalier", so, as I said, lets wait for the official information :)

I heard a few days ago during one of the games I was watching, that there are no suspensions even if you get a match penalty. So I think Malkin will be playing.

Where did you get this information? Sounds weird, that would mean that a game misconduct and a match penalty are essentially the same thing?

Regarding the incident, I don't think Malkin was trying to kick Lecavalier, no way. It's not like he had good balance or anything, so it's obviously not intentional.

Gotta love Lecavalier's reaction though, and his late play overall, Canada might have had a chance if they had about a dozen more guys who cared at all about what happened in the games.

Will Malkin play against Finland?.I can't see why he should not play.

Well, the question is "Will Malkin play against Finland?" not "Did Malkin kick Lecavalier", so, as I said, lets wait for the official information :)


As per NHL.com boxscore, that is when he was given the match penalty. Lecavalier also got 2 for roughing. His leg coming up like that was the reason he got tossed from the game,there was nothing else that could've been the reason for it.


Evgeni Malkin, Russia (match penalty)
Vincent Lecavalier, Canada (roughing)

GAME PENALTY: 20 minute penalty, player gets thrown out of the game, but can play in the next one.

MATCH PENALTY: 25 minute penalty, player gets thrown out of the game, Referee HAS to report the incident to local administrating association. And the player is automaticly suspended for the next game (even in playoffs).

:dunno:

Page 56 & 57...

http://www.iihf.com/pdfRules/IIHFRuleBookeng.pdf

Game misconduct for that "kick" ? :dunno: *** :rant:
I think we should wait for the official information.

Who dont see kick look at Malkin's right leg, when referee comes to Lecavalier and Malkin, Lecavalier beats Malkin in face, Malkin kick him with leg

I don't know what you are looking at, but after watching it over a few times he oviously tried to kick him. It was in retaliation for Lecavlier punching him, but he tried to kick him in the face. You can't do that in hockey, since you can kill someone doing that. There is a reason that havlat was suspended for 5 games this season for doing less... it is a very dangerous thing to do. I don't buy aany of this "he tried to push him off with his leg... he was off balance... etc etc" He was balanced, and he brought up his knee and then snapped kicked Lecavlier, showing an intent to hit him with his foot. Not cool.

I think it was an unintentional kick to Vinny. He tried to get out of this position and his skate went towards Vinny's chest... That's it, imo.
I agree. If he made contact with him thats one thing, but in the middle of a scrum where he didn't even hit him.. I think its unfair.

I don't think he should be suspended. It was a messy situation but it looked more like a "get off me" thing than a "I'll kick your face in" thing.

Game misconduct for that "kick" ? :dunno: *** :rant:
I think we should wait for the official information.

Who dont see kick look at Malkin's right leg, when referee comes to Lecavalier and Malkin, Lecavalier beats Malkin in face, Malkin kick him with leg

Yeah, game misconduct for that kick. Doesnt matter he did not connect. Kicking a player is just about the most dangerous, classless and disgusting thing a hockey player can do in a game.

Stop kissing his ***, admit he screwed up, accept whatever punishment he may get, and move on.

According to this link he will be suspended for one game:
http://www.iihf.com/news/OG06/torino1087.htm

Hopefully he will learn from this and won't do it again.

I don't know what you are looking at, but after watching it over a few times he oviously tried to kick him. It was in retaliation for Lecavlier punching him, but he tried to kick him in the face. You can't do that in hockey, since you can kill someone doing that. There is a reason that havlat was suspended for 5 games this season for doing less... it is a very dangerous thing to do. I don't buy aany of this "he tried to push him off with his leg... he was off balance... etc etc" He was balanced, and he brought up his knee and then snapped kicked Lecavlier, showing an intent to hit him with his foot. Not cool.


You obviously know that was Malkin's intent. :sarcasm:

His skate never made contact with Lecavalier...his skate was closer to his chest,nowhere near his face. If Malkin had the intent of kicking him in the face,then I'm sure he easily could have done it. And no,it wasn't a good idea to do that but it was him just reacting to the scrum.

BTW, It was actually a match penalty he got for that,not a game misconduct. No one is saying he didn't screw up,but to say that he actually made contact with Lecavalier, well if you actually watch the video then you see that no contact was made.

Even from that article that was posted about him being suspended it says kicking attempt.

According to this link he will be suspended for one game:
http://www.iihf.com/news/OG06/torino1087.htm

Hopefully he will learn from this and won't do it again.

Yea, next time he's lying prone on the ice and someone is punching his face in, he shouldn't try to get them off of him, but rather let 'em whack away :shakehead


Stupid ruling by IHF.

You obviously know that was Malkin's intent. :sarcasm:

His skate never made contact with Lecavalier...his skate was closer to his chest,nowhere near his face. If Malkin had the intent of kicking him in the face,then I'm sure he easily could have done it. And no,it wasn't a good idea to do that but it was him just reacting to the scrum.

BTW, It was actually a match penalty he got for that,not a game misconduct. No one is saying he didn't screw up,but to say that he actually made contact with Lecavalier, well if you actually watch the video then you see that no contact was made.

sorry , but i dont think anyone said this...
all that has been said was that he tried to... and the attempt alone is a disgrace...

and no, i dont think he should let anyone whack on his face, but he couldve punched back, or get on his feet and go after him.. whatever.. but dont attempt to kick someone in the face when theres a razorsharp blade under your shoe...

and by the way... lecavalier got his 2 minute roughing penalty.. noones saying hes innocent.. it was in the heat of the moment.. just as malkins kicking attempt was but you have to plant it in your head that there are things on your boots that can do alot of harm... (malarchuk anyone?)

I was just glad that at least one of the Canadian players on the ice was showing some heart and desire.

Way to go Vinny!

Yea, next time he's lying prone on the ice and someone is punching his face in, he shouldn't try to get them off of him, but rather let 'em whack away :shakehead


Stupid ruling by IHF.

You shouldn't kick NO matter what. Not a stupid rule...Havlat had to learn the hard (well maybe he hasn't fully learned yet :sarcasm: ) but anyway.

At first, I didn´t noticed what happened. But later on I saw it on slow-motion and it seemed like a match penalty to me. Kicking is just one thing you should not do in any circuimstance, risks for a serious injury are just too high. It also makes u look stupid. I´m not saying that his intention was to injure, it must´ve been some kind impulsive reaction after the wrestle with Lecavalier. The kick seemed to sparkle up the emotions again, Lecavalier atleast was active and showed the kick-move to the refs.

He got a match penalty, which is automatic one game rest. Don´t think that can be changed easily.

It was a dumb move by Malkin, I guess he needs to learn this lesson. But in his defense there was no attempt to kick with the skate - you can see his knee is bent. Not sure if it makes a difference for the rules.

It was a dumb move by Malkin, I guess he needs to learn this lesson. But in his defense there was no attempt to kick with the skate - you can see his knee is bent. Not sure if it makes a difference for the rules.

The skate is attached to the foot. If you kick, the skate goes with it.

Stupid ruling by IHF.

There was no ruling by the IIHF. The ref gave a match penalty which means an automatic (minimum) one game suspension.

Malkin must have taken lessons from Havlat :sarcasm:

Ruutu didn't play because the Czechs choose not to report him to the "what-ever-it's-called". So if it's the same here, Canada can report him and then "what-ever-it's-called" judge the situation.

You mean the UN? I hear sanctions are forthcoming.

The skate is attached to the foot. If you kick, the skate goes with it.

Then the right word would be "knee", not "kick". That's what I was pointing out when I said that Malkin's knee was bent. I still think it was a stupid move by Malkin, but not malicious.

That looks like an intentional kick and could have been lethal...

Google Clint Malarchuk

I'm a Malkin fan by the way but that was just wrong lets hope nobody ever does something like that again.

sorry , but i dont think anyone said this...
all that has been said was that he tried to... and the attempt alone is a disgrace...

and no, i dont think he should let anyone whack on his face, but he couldve punched back, or get on his feet and go after him.. whatever.. but dont attempt to kick someone in the face when theres a razorsharp blade under your shoe...

and by the way... lecavalier got his 2 minute roughing penalty.. noones saying hes innocent.. it was in the heat of the moment.. just as malkins kicking attempt was but you have to plant it in your head that there are things on your boots that can do alot of harm... (malarchuk anyone?)


Malkin's skate came nowhere near Lecavalier's face,so I don't see how you're still calling it an attempt to kick him in the face. I could see saying that if the skate came anywhere close to his head,but the further his skate got to was Lecavalier's chest. If he had wanted to get him in the face,I'm sure he easily could have by extending his leg further up.

looking at this play I've got the feeling that Malkin is a kid yet. he looked pretty scared when Lecavalier went after him.

That looks like an intentional kick and could have been lethal...

Google Clint Malarchuk

I'm a Malkin fan by the way but that was just wrong lets hope nobody ever does something like that again.

:clap:

I really hope it's the last time I've ever seen such a thing!

This garbage doesn't belong in the game and hopefully Malkin doesn't do it again.

:clap:

I really hope it's the last time I've ever seen such a thing!

Just saw it on Coaches corner. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Malkin obviously did npot think. Although, playing devils advocate, it does look like he used the calf of his leg(as opposed to trying to hit with skate blade) Still.... :shakehead

If the one game suspension is correct, then I think Malkin learns his lesson(As Jiri Fischer did butt for but ending a guy in the mouth and having to sit out game 5 of the Cup final). Malkin can sit in the stands and :cry:

http://www.iihf.com/news/OG06/torino1087.htm

LATE NOTE: The tournament directorate suspended Russian forward Evgeni Malkin for one game (semifinal vs Finland) after Malkin's kicking attempt on Canada's Vincent Lecavalier in the Russia - Canada game.

just to clarify, i never said he did it on purpose, and im 100% sure that if his intention was to kick him then definitly NOT with the blade, all im trying to say is that it couldve ended very bad.. like malkin throwing the foot unlucky or lecavaliers head a few inches into the wrong direction.. if anything like this happened it couldve ended in a big mess.
it didnt happen its all good. like someone stated earlier, i hope he learns to keep this crap out of hockey.
hes an awesome hockey player and doesnt need this stuff.

I'm surprised no one mentioned it but Malkin throws a forearm to the back of Lecavlier's head and then pulls him down. I think that is what pissed Vinny off first, then the kick is what really made him freak out. I have no problem with Malkin getting rough, in fact I like it but as others have said kicking WAY crosses the line. There is nothing to argue here, regardless of intention, you cannot kick at an opponent in hockey. I'm sure he'll learn from this mistake!

I'm surprised no one mentioned it but Malkin throws a forearm to the back of Lecavlier's head and then pulls him down. I think that is what pissed Vinny off first, then the kick is what really made him freak out. I have no problem with Malkin getting rough, in fact I like it but as others have said kicking WAY crosses the line. There is nothing to argue here, regardless of intention, you cannot kick at an opponent in hockey. I'm sure he'll learn from this mistake!

I mentioned the arm to the head....in fact, I had origionally thought thats why he got the major.

why wouldn't Malkin play?

Jarkko Ruutu got a 5+20 against the Czech Republic and played against Canada, so again, why wouldn't he play?

exactly

plus, malkin did nothing to warrant a match penalty compared to ruutu

I mentioned the arm to the head....in fact, I had origionally thought thats why he got the major.
I just read through this entire thread and I didn't see anyone mention anything about the forearm to the back of Vinnie's head. :dunno:

kicking is overrated

just like that "kicking motion" that got havlat suspended, when he was flying onto the net and it would be completely impossible not to swing ones leg

ugh, this pisses me off

Yea, next time he's lying prone on the ice and someone is punching his face in, he shouldn't try to get them off of him, but rather let 'em whack away :shakehead

So I guess it would have been ok if he had made contact with Lecavalier's face, he's just defending himself right? Malkin is a big boy, he could have gotten Vinny off of him with a shove or hit Vinny back. He isn't being suspended for defending himself, he's being suspended for an attempt at kicking a guy in the face.

kicking is overrated

just like that "kicking motion" that got havlat suspended, when he was flying onto the net and it would be completely impossible not to swing ones leg

ugh, this pisses me off
You're entitled to your opinion but I think it's just one of those things you can't be too sensitive about. There is just too much at risk, any form of kicking has to be dealt with, even if it snags a few supposed "innocents".

why wouldn't Malkin play?

Jarkko Ruutu got a 5+20 against the Czech Republic and played against Canada, so again, why wouldn't he play?

Ruutu got a game misconduct. Malkin got a match penalty.

I just read through this entire thread and I didn't see anyone mention anything about the forearm to the back of Vinnie's head. :dunno:

My bad, its post #155 in this thread instead http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=224254

Considering the situation -both fighting and throwing fists and ellbows- and the heat of the battle (dieing seconds of the game), and the upcoming semifinal, i think a match penalty is to harsh and lacks "fingerspitzengefühl" (fingertip-feeling) by the refs.

I can see the point about kicking, but when you consider the Jagr check where the opponent actually got hurt without any provocation what so ever, i think they should have let him "get off" turning a blind eye and leave it at the game misconduct; The ref should have let him off the hook and had a talk with him after the game instead. As others pointed out a kick can be horrible...

I can see the point about kicking, but when you consider the Jagr check where the opponent actually got hurt without any provocation what so ever, i think they should have let him "get off" turning a blind eye and leave it at the game misconduct; The ref should have let him off the hook and had a talk with him after the game instead. As others pointed out a kick can be horrible...

There was only a minute left in the game when he got the penalty. I believe the decision to ultimatly suspend him was ultimatly made by a higher power than the ref. It sucks for Russia that he's suspended, but if it teaches him a lesson in not blinding lashing out with limbs or sticks, then all the better.

I saw the replay and it's hard to say was it indendet kick.

When Cavalier punches Malkin to head his foot swings right up, it might have been reflect or something.

Try it with your friend, you'll lie on the floor he will be there in the same position as Vinny was and then he will hit you... remember to keep your left foot free so you'll see what happens :)

May be it was posted before but he will not play.

http://www.iihf.com/news/OG06/torino1087.htm
The tournament directorate suspended Russian forward Evgeni Malkin for one game (semifinal vs Finland) after Malkin's kicking attempt on Canada's Vincent Lecavalier in the Russia - Canada game.

Whos going to replace Malkin??

Whos going to replace Malkin??
I'd use Taratukhin with Su-33 and Kharitonov more since they've already played together at 2 of Eurotour stages (if I remember correctly, but I'm not sure)

According to this link he will be suspended for one game:
http://www.iihf.com/news/OG06/torino1087.htm



Good. The IIHF should allow fighting, let Lecavalier and Malkin have a go at the end of the game instead of this kicking crap.

Some of this is probably repetitive, but I'm going all out here...


why wouldn't Malkin play?

Jarkko Ruutu got a 5+20 against the Czech Republic and played against Canada, so again, why wouldn't he play?

A Match Penalty is more severe than a Game Misconduct, and the Match brings an automatic one-game suspension.

I can't see why he should not play.

Because the rulebook says he can't.

I agree. If he made contact with him thats one thing, but in the middle of a scrum where he didn't even hit him.. I think its unfair.

Kicking and attempting to kick, no matter what the situation, is judged with the same severity. With a piece of equipment that includes a blade, you cannot take any risks whatsoever. If you allow a little leniency, the consequences could be tragic. Supplementary discipline will be based on results, but the referee must assess a Match Penalty in every situation.


kicking is overrated

Sometimes I wish profanity wasn't censored so we can tell certain individuals exactly how we feel about the stupid things they say. This comment is over the top.


The ref should have let him off the hook and had a talk with him after the game instead.

That's not a referee's job. A referee's job is to react to what happens during the game, and assess the appropriate penalties in order to keep the game safe and fair. If Malkin tried to kick Lecavalier, the referee's options are limited to assessing a Match Penalty.

That, and it was still 1-0 Russia when it happened. Markov had just gotten out of the box, so the play was even strength. If you don't give Malkin the Match Penalty, which is 5 minutes on the clock, Canada doesn't get the powerplay they should get. In that situation, Pat Quinn is going to throw every waterbottle, stick, stickboy, and the dressing room sink at you....and you'd deserve it. (Think about who is saying this too ....I have the reputation of being the most biased in favour of the zebras on these boards.)


I believe the decision to ultimatly suspend him was ultimatly made by a higher power than the ref.

Yup. It's called the rulebook.

Plain and simple, Malkin made a mistake. I have to give a hand clap to the IIHF for punishing the act and not the outcome. IMO thats one of the things that the NHL really needs to take a look at changing.

I'd use Taratukhin with Su-33 and Kharitonov more since they've already played together at 2 of Eurotour stages (if I remember correctly, but I'm not sure)

So no one will replace the missing roster spot?

So no one will replace the missing roster spot?

I don't think you can. Or can you? There will be also Nepryaev coming, he can play center. So probably, Taratukhin will center the Dynamo duo, and thewings for Nepryaev will be rotated

That would be a complete joke if Malkin were to be suspended for this next game. He didn't even deserve the penalty, let alone the 5 minute major, let alone being thrown out of the game.

EDIT: Did I miss something more than what I saw...I just saw him fall down with another player after the play near the crease. What else did he do?

That would be a complete joke if Malkin were to be suspended for this next game. He didn't even deserve the penalty, let alone the 5 minute major, let alone being thrown out of the game.

EDIT: Did I miss something more than what I saw...I just saw him fall down with another player after the play near the crease. What else did he do?
He tried to kick Lecavalier. Even the try is punished.

That wasnt even a penalty :shakehead
If he misses next game, that would be ridiculous.

Quit using the word "would". Malkin is suspended for one game. The IIHF rulebook mandates that suspension because of his Match Penalty.

Do you people not understand?....

-Malkin tried to kick Lecavalier. (It doesn't matter if he succeeded or how severe of an attempt it was.)
-The referee MUST call a MATCH PENALTY.
-Malkin is AUTOMATICALLY SUSPENDED ONE GAME because the IIHF rulebook MANDATES a minimum ONE GAME SUSPENSION for a MATCH PENALTY. Not even Rene Fasel can overturn that.

He tried to kick Lecavalier. Even the try is punished.
Oh boy, didn't see that. Anyone have video?

Oh boy, didn't see that. Anyone have video?
It is somewhere in this thread.

Oh boy, didn't see that. Anyone have video?
rapidshare.de/files/13905158/malkin-lecavalier.avi.html

Well, I must say "thin bones" threw Lecavalier in the air and to the ground. Got to love that.

After seeing one kick to own team mate in one game and that allmost killing him I'm saying even trying to kick should be always very much punished. I'm not saying Malkin tryed to hurt and not even saying much about this case, but generally saying "kicking is ok as long as you won't hurt" it's just freaking dumb and shows you haven't obviously played nor seen what skate blade can do.

What a joke ! Damn Semi without Malkin :( Oh boy it will be hard :( Anyway SHAIBUUUUUUUUUUUUU ROSSIJAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!

Considering the situation -both fighting and throwing fists and ellbows- and the heat of the battle (dieing seconds of the game), and the upcoming semifinal, i think a match penalty is to harsh and lacks "fingerspitzengefühl" (fingertip-feeling) by the refs.

I can see the point about kicking, but when you consider the Jagr check where the opponent actually got hurt without any provocation what so ever, i think they should have let him "get off" turning a blind eye and leave it at the game misconduct; The ref should have let him off the hook and had a talk with him after the game instead. As others pointed out a kick can be horrible...

The problem is that it wasn't possible to give him a game misconduct. While Ruutu got that (as injury mandates in that situation, again check the rulebook) and would have maybe gotten 2+2 if not for Jagr's helmet... And nothing had Jagr not gone down at the last second. Ok, let's not get started about that one again, just another example how the rulebook forces the ref's hand. Same thing with the Hatcher-on-Selanne thing in the other game. but in my books, kicking is generally a worse thing than bodychecking. [Sorry off-topic, but "no provocation" may be right, but that was basicly a decision "Will I check him, or will I give them a goal?" Not a surprising decision made.] Obviously the whole Malkin-Lecavalier incident was the same thing: a game on the line, and this time it was rougher: one team was going home.

I don't think you can. Or can you? There will be also Nepryaev coming, he can play center. So probably, Taratukhin will center the Dynamo duo, and thewings for Nepryaev will be rotatedYou can only add a player if another one is injured.

Quit using the word "would". Malkin is suspended for one game. The IIHF rulebook mandates that suspension because of his Match Penalty.The point is the match penalty was undeserved and to suspend Malkin for an Olympics semifinal for what happened on the ice is a ridiculous decision, embarassing for the whole IIHF.

Malkin is suspeded? Wow. The Russians are toast. He's been one of their best players.

Malkin is suspeded? Wow. The Russians are toast. He's been one of their best players.

He has been one of their best players, its a crushing blow, but I am not going to say they're losing to Finland because of it.Theres plenty of talent that can play a few extra shifts ech, IMHO.

He has been one of their best players, its a crushing blow, but I am not going to say they're losing to Finland because of it.Theres plenty of talent that can play a few extra shifts ech, IMHO.Yup. To bad it wasn't Afinagenov. The Finns are going to feast on him.

Does someone want to post the video of Clint Malarchuk to show how dangerous a skate can be?

******* it, our 2nd best center!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!

Certainly a loss for the Russians, but I'd say Finland is worse off without Salo.

Certainly a loss for the Russians, but I'd say Finland is worse off without Salo.

Ummm, I'm going to say thats a big No.

Definetely a big less but you can`t judge in any other way. kicking is dangerous, has nothing to do with the sports. I`m sure that neutral fans would agree here. Even in the heat of the moment you have to control yourself, else it can get dangerous. I like Malkin and all and I cheered for the Russians, but players need to learn. And surely it is not ridicolous that such a thing gets called. It would be ridiculous not to call it. It is a game and it should stay one. Safety goes first.

^^what is the shaibu ?
or what does it mean

The point is the match penalty was undeserved and to suspend Malkin for an Olympics semifinal for what happened on the ice is a ridiculous decision, embarassing for the whole IIHF.

Embarassing for the IIHF is that there was no bylaw in place to punish Ruutu for his charge on Jagr.

Embarassing for hockey is Malkin's actions. As has been mentioned many, many times now, kicking a player is one of the most dangerous things a player can do. Whatever his intent, Malkin attempted to kick Lecavalier. A match penalty is the only possible penalty that can be awarded, and that is completely fair to Malkin, to Havlat, and to everyone who plays the game.

Malkin tried to kick Lecavalier. A one game suspension is more than fair, and should serve as a reminder to Malkin that stupid actions have consequences.

Shaiba means puck, When they chant shaibu, shaibu, it means like "get the puck, get the puck"

Back to the Malkin thing.. We shouldnt worry too much, Finland is a less talented squad. They're a hard working, smart squad... so losing a talented player won't hurt us much if we play the same type of game as them.

According to Gazeta.ru IIHF decided to DQ Malkin for one game. Big blow. He is Russia's best defensive forward plus excellent offensive player.

So, it's official:

http://www.iihf.com/news/iihfpr1306.htm

Wow, I guess this is Russia's punishment for beating Canada. Not only was is a phantom call, it's a phantom suspension as well. Was anybody watching the way Koharski called the US-Russia game and then the US-Finland game. There's been a ton of pro north american bias going on.

So, it's official:

http://www.iihf.com/news/iihfpr1306.htm

It's been official since page 3: http://www.hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=4699759&postcount=57

We'll survive. Put Taratukhin on the RSL line, put Nepryaev on the 4-th line center.
Rotate the wingers. Give Afinogenov more ice time. Give RSL more ice time. Actually, the RSL guys should know how to play Finland - they were learning their lesson for the last 5 years.

Wow, I guess this is Russia's punishment for beating Canada. Not only was is a phantom call, it's a phantom suspension as well. Was anybody watching the way Koharski called the US-Russia game and then the US-Finland game. There's been a ton of pro north american bias going on.

:biglaugh: Give us all a break

It's been official since page 3: http://www.hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=4699759&postcount=57

Cool, whatever

Wow, I guess this is Russia's punishment for beating Canada. Not only was is a phantom call, it's a phantom suspension as well. Was anybody watching the way Koharski called the US-Russia game and then the US-Finland game. There's been a ton of pro north american bias going on.

I don't understand why people have a problem with this. He tried to kick Lecavilier in the face with his skate. If someone from Canada had done it, then this board would start a mob to go after the player.

Wow, I guess this is Russia's punishment for beating Canada. Not only was is a phantom call, it's a phantom suspension as well. Was anybody watching the way Koharski called the US-Russia game and then the US-Finland game. There's been a ton of pro north american bias going on.

I guess it's his punishment for kicking like a girl. Let's see him try that in the NHL without international rules to hide behind.

Wow, I guess this is Russia's punishment for beating Canada. Not only was is a phantom call, it's a phantom suspension as well. Was anybody watching the way Koharski called the US-Russia game and then the US-Finland game. There's been a ton of pro north american bias going on.

Even when winning some of you guys whine about the refs. Give it a rest already and try to win with some class instead.

It would be a refreshing change.

You mean give you a break. The first half of your avatar has been just give one

No, I mean give us all a break from the ref whining. :shakehead

It's pretty clear what he was trying to do.

through bitter canadian loser glasses it is.

through bitter canadian loser glasses it is.

I'm not bitter, in fact I picked Russia to win. Clearly you don't really want to discuss the topic, so why even bother. You are content to just throw insults.

You just crossed the line from extreme homer to total moron :shakehead
Agreed...

So did he knee Lecavelier in the head or something? I missed it.

He tried to kick him. Ref saw it and gave em the boot.

He should have be out of the tournament...

He tried to kick him. Ref saw it and gave em the boot.

Exactly, I don't see what the issue is.

Wow, I guess this is Russia's punishment for beating Canada. Not only was is a phantom call, it's a phantom suspension as well. Was anybody watching the way Koharski called the US-Russia game and then the US-Finland game. There's been a ton of pro north american bias going on.

:biglaugh:

Koharski is a ... ( :madfire: ), but Malkin's suspension is logical.

Exactly, I don't see what the issue is.
The issue is that...

omgwtfbbq!1!!1! y0u cnat kcik teh malnik out!!!1!! we r win teh g0ld!!!1!

The issue is that...

omgwtfbbq!1!!1! y0u cnat kcik teh malnik out!!!1!! we r win teh g0ld!!!1!

:snide:

The issue is that...

omgwtfbbq!1!!1! y0u cnat kcik teh malnik out!!!1!! we r win teh g0ld!!!1!

OK, that made me laugh.

After Canada lost to Switzerland I started cheering for the Russians and I can tell you that it was clear as day as to what Malkin tried to do. He tried to kick Lecavalier in the face.

Although I would of loved to of seen a fight between Lecavalier and Malkin. If you people think Malkin is hideous now, he'd make a burn victim look like a supermodel after Vinny's finished with him.

Sorry but that is a ridiculous decision, what he did warranted a 5 minute penalty, not a game misconduct, although it was a moot point since the game was almost over, and certainly not missing the next game. I was going to cheer for Finland over Russia in the semis, partialy since I am dissapointed Russia beat Canada, but not I am probably going to cheer for Russia since I dont want a game to potentialy be decided by a ridiculous suspension.

Some of you need to take it easy in this thread.

Wow, I guess this is Russia's punishment for beating Canada. Not only was is a phantom call, it's a phantom suspension as well. Was anybody watching the way Koharski called the US-Russia game and then the US-Finland game. There's been a ton of pro north american bias going on.

:biglaugh: Even when Canada is out of the tournament, they're buying off officials as revenge?

Seriously... People need to stop making excuses just in case they lose. I've never seen so many posts complain about officiating before the games even take place.

I'm looking forward to seeing how Nepriayev looks at this level of competition. The Caps have been talking the last couple of summers about bringing him over and still consider him in team plans going forward. McPhee is in Turin and I imagine he will be watching closely.

I never saw any kicking motion, more of a flailing motion. Horrendous call.

Sorry but that is a ridiculous decision, what he did warranted a 5 minute penalty, not a game misconduct, although it was a moot point since the game was almost over, and certainly not missing the next game. I was going to cheer for Finland over Russia in the semis, partialy since I am dissapointed Russia beat Canada, but not I am probably going to cheer for Russia since I dont want a game to potentialy be decided by a ridiculous suspension.
Ok... Next year... Lecavalier performs a roundhouse kick at Malkin's head... but he doesn't hit him... he gets suspended for the attempt... can I argue that it is a phantom suspension because no one got hit?

The fact REMAINS, that there was an INTENT to injure, the severity of this intent, is unknown obviously. If Malkin was NOT suspended, what type of message would be sent for the rest of the tournament? That is ok to have a kicking motion as long as you don't injure someone?

If they DIDN'T suspend him, it would look REAL bad on the sport and Olympic Hockey in general. This was a REQUIRED suspension and it is fully earned... All of you Russian fans are just upset because your team may have just taken a hit that could cost them an appearance in the following round... It is fine to be upset, but don't make yourself look rediculous but trying to defend a player who engaged in an action that could have led to a serious injury.

Grow up and think about what COULD have happened and not what DIDN'T happen...

It's not an excuse... Kicking a player (in the face!) is arguably the most dangerous thing to do on ice. He should be out the whole tourney.

Anyone saying there were no motion is probably Evgeny Malkin #1 fan

Didn't Havlat get suspended for 5 games for kicking? I'm not sure why people are upset. He kicked, got caught and is now suspended.

Anyone saying there were no motion is probably Evgeny Malkin #1 fan or #1 cheap *****...
Even the announcers never saw anything. And I heard no mention of it on any of the post-game shows.

I replayed the incident a few times and I thought the penalty was for hitting Lecavalier in the back of the head.

I never saw any kicking motion, more of a flailing motion. Horrendous call.

Hmmm, the guy with the Malkin avatar doesn't like the call, thats wierd.

Wow, I guess this is Russia's punishment for beating Canada. Not only was is a phantom call, it's a phantom suspension as well. Was anybody watching the way Koharski called the US-Russia game and then the US-Finland game. There's been a ton of pro north american bias going on.

Yeah, that old North American bias helped Canada and the US soooooo much. ;)

Hahahaha, more whining and blaming the refs crap, hell, you guys even blame the refs when you win!

Malkin was an idiot trying to play pro-wrestler with Vinnie and then got all childish and tried to kick him. He deserves the suspension, put the shoe on the other foot and the board would be full of rants against the Canadian "brutes". :shakehead

Hmmm, the guy with the Malkin avatar doesn't like the call, thats wierd.
Hmm.. All the Canadian fans like the call, weird.

Didn't Havlat get suspended for 5 games for kicking? I'm not sure why people are upset. He kicked, got caught and is now suspended.
Ya and most agreed that it was a warranted 5-game suspension.

But this is different... This is Malkin, he can't be suspended! :sarcasm:

Hmm.. All the Canadian fans like the call, weird.
Because we would like to see no one injured. Odd eh? (I threw the EH? in there just for you)

I am sure if a Canadian player had of kicked Malkin... YOU would pretty steamed about it...

he's being suspended for an attempt at kicking a guy in the face.He did NOT TRY to kick anyone IN THE FACE.

And surely it is not ridicolous that such a thing gets called. It would be ridiculous not to call it. It is a game and it should stay one. Safety goes first
WHEN (IF) someone tries to kick someone else in the face the suspension should be way longer than one game.

Embarassing for the IIHF is that there was no bylaw in place to punish Ruutu for his charge on Jagr.

Embarassing for hockey is Malkin's actions. As has been mentioned many, many times now, kicking a player is one of the most dangerous things a player can do. Whatever his intent, Malkin attempted to kick Lecavalier. A match penalty is the only possible penalty that can be awarded, and that is completely fair to Malkin, to Havlat, and to everyone who plays the game.

Malkin tried to kick Lecavalier. A one game suspension is more than fair, and should serve as a reminder to Malkin that stupid actions have consequences.Gimme a break. The two guys were just trying to come off each other, Lecavalier giving a deserved (yet stupid, cause gave him a roughing minor) punch and as a body reaction, Malkin raising his leg to send Vinny away.. no attempt to kick him in the face, the skate never came close to Vinny face (basically it’s the shin-guard against the chest, with the foot more distant from the head than the shin-guard already), let alone the blade, blade that Malkin knows to be placed, unsurprisingly, on the other side of his foot.

I can understand the referee, without analyzing the situation on the replay, could get it that way, but no reasons for the suspension after re-watching on TV..(unless staying consistent with the undeserved match penalty called live by the referee..)

Hmm.. All the Canadian fans like the call, weird.

I actually really don't care, Russians deserved that game, and I didn't see it. But if they took a look at the footage and saw something than thats probably why he was suspended.

Have you gone back and looked at all the game tape and all the different angles?

In case you're wondering I merged the two threads on Malkin.

In case you're wondering I merged the two threads on Malkin.Thanks, i was wondering!

Hmm.. All the Canadian fans like the call, weird.

actually i was/am happy to see the russians win, and im gonna cheer for them (even though i want toots and kaspar come back home as soon as possible) , so if youre trying to imply that people that think malkin tried to kick him in the face are biased , then your argument holds no water..

the call was a good call, and if you watch the ref behind the goal closely youll see he keeps observing both , malkin and lecavalier VERY closely , and that guy sure knows what he saw.
and if you cant tell a kicking motion from a balancing motion.. well then i guess noone will help you and noones gonna be able to convince you that he attempted to kick lecave...
the facts speak for themself.. Malkin got suspended... so looks like youre wrong...


oh and i agree with you... the announcer didnt say anything about the incident.. and as we all know announcers never make mistakes and are never biased... :sarcasm:

I actually really don't care, Russians deserved that game, and I didn't see it. But if they took a look at the footage and saw something than thats probably why he was suspended.

Have you gone back and looked at all the game tape and all the different angles?

They showed it on CBC latenight with Don Cherry(It is a different angle then you would have seen in the game) He got his foot pretty high, and I think it would be hard to argue he didn't intend to kick out. If anything, he could maybe argue he was kicking his leg to get free of an awkward position, but that would be about it.

Hmm.. All the Canadian fans like the call, weird.

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Have you watched this??? :dunno:

He tried to kick Lecavilier in the face with his skate ???

It has nothing to do with who won the game. The Russians deserved to win, they played well and wanted it more.

why wouldn't Malkin play?

Jarkko Ruutu got a 5+20 against the Czech Republic and played against Canada, so again, why wouldn't he play?


Ruutu didnt receive a "Match" penalty, rightfully so I dont think he should anyway because i cant say with any sort of certainty his object was to bash Jagrs head into the boards.

Malkin though tried (and did?) kick a player, which is a definite intent to injure (match penatly)....and I believe IIHF rules that is an automatic 1 game suspension.

With or w/out Malkin Team Russia should win this game, and if they won't, i hope no one will use Malkin's suspension as an excuse!

Ruutu didnt receive a "Match" penalty, rightfully so I dont think he should anyway because i cant say with any sort of certainty his object was to bash Jagrs head into the boards.

Malkin though tried (and did?) kick a player, which is a definite intent to injure (match penatly)....and I believe IIHF rules that is an automatic 1 game suspension.


It looked like a knee to the air. Malkin was down and getting punched, so you'd better lay stiff as a board and let Lecavalier pound away, any sort or reaction means a suspension under IIHF rules.

Malkin though tried (and did?) kick a player, which is a definite intent to injure (match penatly)....and I believe IIHF rules that is an automatic 1 game suspension.

He tried to kick, but never made contact. Some people here think he should have made contact and given Lecavalier a serious facial injury to warrant the suspension. On the replay, he bends his leg then extends his leg...a kicking motion. I don't think he would try to injure Vinny, just his emotions got the best of him and in a game that intense there are going to be some scrums with a lot of emotion. Lecavalier has done it before if I remember right. Hopefully, Malkin learns from it and doesn't do again. Luckily, no one was seriously injured. He has to learn there are better ways to protect yourself than trying to kick someone.

Rule-wise it's crystal-clear:

If the ref saw him try to kick an opponent, it's an automatic match penalty under IIHF rules. It's totally irrelevant if he connects with the kick or not.

Match penalty means automatic 1 game suspension and directorate review of the incident with possible lenghtier suspension.

Whether the ref made the right call or not is debatable; the Ruutu hit was an example of ref making the call without the aid of slow-mo video replays which show the hit to be clean technically.

It looked like a knee to the air. Malkin was down and getting punched, so you'd better lay stiff as a board and let Lecavalier pound away, any sort or reaction means a suspension under IIHF rules.

look... i think youve made your standpoint clear.. you dont like the international hockey stage and their rules.. NHL is da best yadayadayada.. but again.. noone said he shouldve taken a beating from lecavalier without any reaction.
we all saw he punched him, but he couldve done alot of other things for retaliation..
for instance punch him right back , worst thing that couldve happened wouldve been a 2 mins roughing call (maybe +2 if he broke his nose and drew some blood).
he was stupid by TRYING TO KICK him , now lets all hope he learns from this and we are all gonna be happy to see him in the finals and in the nhl next year.

Malkin got punched in the face and Vinny had his glove and stick in his hand, and Malkin only tried to push Vinny away imo. This doesn't warrant a suspension imo, the kick wasn't really a dangerous kick, it was more an attempt to push Vinny than to kick him.

Man this suspension really hurts our chances...

But, I've got to say, it just does not matter at this point, like the goal Canada could've scored if not for the whistle. A ref made a call, Malkin is suspended, we still have to win the next game, no excuses.

Personally, I think both the rule and the call are pretty weak. A matter like this should be reviewed by a commission, instead of an automatic suspension based on what the ref saw in the heat of the moment. Especially at this level of competition...

I think this was a simple "Get off me" leg motion. No way was he aiming for anything, no way he had any intent to injure, a guy was on top of him and he did whatever was instinctive to get him off. He lost his cool, in that sense. It is understandable, but he put himself in a situation in which a ref had to make some call.

In the end, life is not fair: the rulebook is not perfect, neither are the refs, neither is Malkin's composure. He battled extremely hard like everybody else, and had the misfortune of getting caught in a grey area. The ref also had a difficult decision to make, and he made one, maybe not a wise one but certainly understandable.

There's nobody to blame, shiit happens. This was a victory for the ages!, so lets not whine about it. This team is good enough to beat Finland, and if we do, we'll get a rested and angry Malkin for the finals. Lets go!

I don't see why people are anoyed by this. The NHL and the IIHF have a clear policy when it comes to kicking an oponent, do not do it or you WILL be suspended. Havlat got 5 games for kicking Hal Gill in the groin despite having Gill's gloves in his face and falling over the net. And shockingly enough I don't remember a SINGLE poster saying Havlat shouldn't get suspended. So what has changed here?

I don't see why people are anoyed by this. The NHL and the IIHF have a clear policy when it comes to kicking an oponent, do not do it or you WILL be suspended. Havlat got 5 games for kicking Hal Gill in the groin despite having Gill's gloves in his face and falling over the net. And shockingly enough I don't remember a SINGLE poster saying Havlat shouldn't get suspended. So what has changed here?
I stated this earlier in the thread... but I think it should be emphasized.. :clap:

I don't see why people are anoyed by this. The NHL and the IIHF have a clear policy when it comes to kicking an oponent, do not do it or you WILL be suspended. Havlat got 5 games for kicking Hal Gill in the groin despite having Gill's gloves in his face and falling over the net. And shockingly enough I don't remember a SINGLE poster saying Havlat shouldn't get suspended. So what has changed here?

you know people age and eyesight is slowly fading away....
how you can miss the kicking motion is beyond me... and how this is a weak call i dont understand.
the ref is watching both closely all the time.. hes behind the goal... game is whistled down and he observes them.. through the whole incident.
he catched vinnies punch, and he catched evegenis attempted kick.

Rule-wise it's crystal-clear:

If the ref saw him try to kick an opponent, it's an automatic match penalty under IIHF rules. It's totally irrelevant if he connects with the kick or not.

Match penalty means automatic 1 game suspension and directorate review of the incident with possible lenghtier suspension.

Whether the ref made the right call or not is debatable; the Ruutu hit was an example of ref making the call without the aid of slow-mo video replays which show the hit to be clean technically.


This is 100% correct, and it is the same rule in any hockey league, NHL, WHL, NCAA, Youth Hockey etc.

Ill still disagree with you on the 2nd half of your post thought. ;)

Rule-wise it's crystal-clear:

If the ref saw him try to kick an opponent, it's an automatic match penalty under IIHF rules. It's totally irrelevant if he connects with the kick or not.

Match penalty means automatic 1 game suspension and directorate review of the incident with possible lenghtier suspension.

Whether the ref made the right call or not is debatable; the Ruutu hit was an example of ref making the call without the aid of slow-mo video replays which show the hit to be clean technically.

Exactly. There was no reason to give Ruutu any extra-punishments, correct if I´m wrong but czecks didn´t even reported it. In this case, Malkin made a kicking move >>> ref saw it >>> was forced to give a match penalty >>> it´s automatic one game misconduct. This shouldn´t be so hard to understand.

I said it was weak because the reason we have refs is to be able to moderate the rulebook in close, pressure-packed games. This was not a kick to injure, the resulting suspension is too harsh for what happened. Don't whine about "whatif he kicked harder or his skate was closer to Vincent's face"... it was not a kick meant to injure, it did not injure, it was a reaction in the heat of battle, so I'm never going to agree that it is the appropriate punishment, to suspend a player for Olympics' semis.

But you missed the whole point of my post. I am not pissed off by the call, or annoyed, I'm just saying lets move on. I have my opinion on the call, but I have no problem with it just like i have no problem with some rut in the ice that causes a bad bounce. I am not going to discuss it anymore - I am just calling on other Team Russia fans to save their energy for cheering, not criticizing what can't be changed. The more adversity this team has to deal with, the greater its victories will be! Lets let others cry about what could have been!

I don't understand why people have a problem with this. He tried to kick Lecavilier in the face with his skateMaybe because he didn’t?


The fact REMAINS, that there was an INTENT to injure..LoL, I was thinking ‘what the hell is this guy saying!?!? Clear intent to injure????’ then I realized your nickname (btw, you got it wrong)

the facts speak for themself.. Malkin got suspended... so looks like youre wrong...

oh and i agree with you... the announcer didnt say anything about the incident.. and as we all know announcers never make mistakes and are never biased.....and as we all know referees never make mistakes :lol:

malkin has an attitude problem, you cant go around kicking players, i dont care what they did to you.

it was not a kick meant to injure, it did not injure, it was a reaction in the heat of battle, so I'm never going to agree that it is the appropriate punishment, to suspend a player for Olympics' semis.

Doesn't matter whether it was meant to injure or not (and that's impossible to say in most cases anyway), the rule is clear; try to kick an opponent -> match penalty -> 1 game suspension.

Maybe because he didn’t?

LoL, I was thinking ‘what the hell is this guy saying!?!? Clear intent to injure????’ then I realized your nickname (btw, you got it wrong)

..and as we all know referees never make mistakes :lol:

they make alota mistakes, specially in this olympics and this nhl season, but the ref was right to give him the match penalty.

you can "lol" all you want , it doesnt make it less right.
malkin attempts kick + ref sees it = match penalty = malkin missing the semis.


he sure did not try to injure him, it was in the heat of the moment and it was a reaction.. i dont think anyones saying anything different (cept for some who have no idea what they are talking about), but its still a dumb move that deserves to be penalyzed. it was penalyzed period.

When did Malkin kick Lecavalier? I watched the replay like 20 times already and still can't point it out. Was it when they were down on the ice??

When did Malkin kick Lecavalier? I watched the replay like 20 times already and still can't point it out. Was it when they were down on the ice??Yes, there is link somewhere in this thread.

Yes, there is link somewhere in this thread.

Aaaaaah. Now I see it! Malkin deserves the match penalty in this case.. I think it was more accidental than anything though.

you can "lol" all you want ,.I was laughing at your supposed proof that Jacobv2 was wrong..cause it was far from being a proof.

it doesnt make it less right.
malkin attempts kick + ref sees it = match penalty = malkin missing the semis.
as i said before, someone trying to kick someone else face with his skate would deserve a much harsher punishment.

But it's not like he was free to move and kicked Lecavalier near his face, the referee was keeping his upper body, the leg was his only free part to push away Vinny after he gave him the punch.. it didn't come close Vinny's face and didn't risk to injure the opponent.

Now that i think of that, could be a good tactic to send off an important player of your opponents..while his arms are blocked by the referee punch him! one of his leg would eventually move in reaction... :shakehead

But it's not like he was free to move and kicked Lecavalier near his face, the referee was keeping his upper body, the leg was his only free part to push away Vinny after he gave him the punch.. it didn't come close Vinny's face and didn't risk to injure the opponent.



youre saying this as if malkin is peewee herman and the ref is hulk...

ever been in a situation like this?
when you are tied down like malkin was you get mad and you make aprupt movements, therefore its hard to control someones upper body.. that means if malkin tried to get out of this lock, you definitly wouldve seen a much different movement.
i know theres nothing that will convince you that he DID try to kick lecavalier, not even a clear video (proof enough), but i stand by my opinion which is malkin attempted to kick.
im not saying he attempted to injure but he attempted to kick him.
now the point isnt that his skate was "anywhere near his face" , the point is that it vinnie and malkin were makin out and gettin into 69 position, and you dont kick in that situation because the possibility that you hit the head,throat,eye,whatever is very high. and this rule is there to prevent something like this ever happening.
it was a good call.

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Have you watched this??? :dunno:

He tried to kick Lecavilier in the face with his skate ???

It has nothing to do with who won the game. The Russians deserved to win, they played well and wanted it more.


I don't think he was trying to kick him in the face dude after vinny took his free shot with the ref covering malkin, he was trying to get vinny away so he couldn't hit him again.The ref did a poor job of protecting malkin who was on his back defenseless.(nice cheap shot by vinny though)

youre saying this as if malkin is peewee herman and the ref is hulk...Hey, hey, Malkin is down on his back and more imporatntly the one over him is the referee, he can't do anything against him..so he moves his leg..he pushes him away with his knee on his chest (with a kick, if a push with the leg is a kick for you).

im not saying he attempted to injure but he attempted to kick him.
now the point isnt that his skate was "anywhere near his face" , the point is that it vinnie and malkin were makin out and gettin into 69 position, and you dont kick in that situation because the possibility that you hit the head,throat,eye,whatever is very high.Would have they been in a or close to a 69 position i would agree with you.

Hey, hey, Malkin is down on his back and more imporatntly the one over him is the referee, he can't do anything against him..so he moves his leg..he pushes him away with his knee on his chest (with a kick, if a push with the leg is a kick for you).

Would have they been in a or close to a 69 position i would agree with you.

sheesh....
it was a kick :teach:

Because we would like to see no one injured. Odd eh? (I threw the EH? in there just for you)

I am sure if a Canadian player had of kicked Malkin... YOU would pretty steamed about it...
Only if he did it on purpose. My whole argument here is I saw no distinct kicking mot- Wait. I just noticed your username. Nevermind.

The NHL and the IIHF have a clear policy when it comes to kicking an oponent, do not do it or you WILL be suspended.
There doesn't seem to be any argument that kicking someone doesn't warrant a suspension. There is a large faction in this thread that is questioning whether or not it was even an attempted kick.

Malkin is a kicking, cry-baby little girl. :cry:Care to tell it if you met him?

I finally saw the replay. The only thing it convinced me of is that Vinnie Lecavalier indeed played in this game as I did notice him during the previous 59 minutes of play...

I don't think he would try to injure Vinny, just his emotions got the best of him and in a game that intense there are going to be some scrums with a lot of emotion.

Well bertuzzi sucker-punched Moore because of emotions :sarcasm:

that's a really weak excuse if you ask me...

Dirty and thats it... thank god, the kick didnt connect...

You guys need to get off of this...the posters saying that there was no intent are no better than those that said Bertuzzi tripped on the stick. Get over it already.

He did it, he is suspended! Those that were saying Havlat deserved the five games are forgetting because it effects their teams chances in the semis...which it could effect the outcome. BUT as a Senators fan I know it effects the outcome (see how the Sens did without Havlat) but the players need to realize your skate blad is very dangerous and can cause a LOT of damage whether intentional or not. Fan of the team or not take your lumps and stop making excuses. :shakehead

You guys need to get off of this...the posters saying that there was no intent are no better than those that said Bertuzzi tripped on the stick. Get over it already.

He did it, he is suspended! Those that were saying Havlat deserved the five games are forgetting because it effects their teams chances in the semis...which it could effect the outcome. BUT as a Senators fan I know it effects the outcome (see how the Sens did without Havlat) but the players need to realize your skate blad is very dangerous and can cause a LOT of damage whether intentional or not. Fan of the team or not take your lumps and stop making excuses. :shakehead


But But But....arguing is what we do! :D

But But But....arguing is what we do! :D


no we dont... :rant:

the posters saying that there was no intent are no better than those that said Bertuzzi tripped on the stick.
Give me a ****in' break, lady.

Malkin is a kicking, cry-baby little girl. :cry:

This again? Can people please come up with another third grade saying about this Pens' prospect. Show a bit of creativity of even effort people. Please.

Didn't look bad.

The point is the match penalty was undeserved and to suspend Malkin for an Olympics semifinal for what happened on the ice is a ridiculous decision, embarassing for the whole IIHF.

He tried to kick Lecavalier. How can you say the penalty was undeserved?

It's not embarassing for the IIHF. They didn't suspend him, the rulebook did.

Wow, I guess this is Russia's punishment for beating Canada. Not only was is a phantom call, it's a phantom suspension as well. Was anybody watching the way Koharski called the US-Russia game and then the US-Finland game. There's been a ton of pro north american bias going on.

:dunce:

through bitter canadian loser glasses it is.

:dunce:

Sorry but that is a ridiculous decision, what he did warranted a 5 minute penalty, not a game misconduct

Go read the ****ing rulebook. A referee cannot give a 5-minute major for kicking. It has to be a Match Penalty, which bring an automatic one-game suspension that cannot be overruled. It's that ****ing simple.


I can understand the referee, without analyzing the situation on the replay, could get it that way, but no reasons for the suspension after re-watching on TV..(unless staying consistent with the undeserved match penalty called live by the referee..)

I thought I was clear before...

The IIHF cannot rescind the call, and the IIHF cannot overrule the rulebook. The rulebook says Malkin sits one game for the Match Penalty. There is no judgment here by the IIHF, just enforcement of its own rules. Case closed.


Whether the ref made the right call or not is debatable; the Ruutu hit was an example of ref making the call without the aid of slow-mo video replays which show the hit to be clean technically.

Unlike in the NHL, you cannot connect your shoulder with an opponent's head in IIHF competition. It is blatantly against the rules. Ruutu got what he deserved.

I said it was weak because the reason we have refs is to be able to moderate the rulebook in close, pressure-packed games. This was not a kick to injure, the resulting suspension is too harsh for what happened. Don't whine about "whatif he kicked harder or his skate was closer to Vincent's face"... it was not a kick meant to injure, it did not injure, it was a reaction in the heat of battle, so I'm never going to agree that it is the appropriate punishment, to suspend a player for Olympics' semis.


It's like talking to a brick wall trying to explain this.

IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE KICK WAS INTENDED TO INJURE. IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO KICK. THE RULES DO NOT ALLOW A REFEREE TO USE JUDGMENT HERE. HE MUST ASSESS A MATCH PENALTY. THAT PENALTY CARRIES AN AUTOMATIC ONE GAME SUSPENSION, WHICH THE IIHF CANNOT OVERRULE JUST BECAUSE IT IS THE OLYMPIC SEMI-FINAL HE WILL MISS.

Is that clear enough?

Is that clear enough?

Lets see, here's whats clear: "If the ref determined it was an attempt to kick, and the job of the ref is to literally enforce the rulebook, then the ref made the right call".

Congratulations, you've just stated a completely true and completely meaningless fact. I applaud your effort, though.

I just noticed your username. Nevermind.

And him having a Lecavalier username is different from you having a Malkin avatar in what way? :dunno:

Well bertuzzi sucker-punched Moore because of emotions :sarcasm:

that's a really weak excuse if you ask me...

Dirty and thats it... thank god, the kick didnt connect...

I wasn't making excuses for Malkin. I think it was a good call. I just think his emotions got the best of him and could understand it in a big game like that. My point was that I don't think he meant to cause a serious injury to Vinny when it happened and that I don't think he's a dirty player from the incident.

From a chances to win standpoint, losing Korolyuk for the tournament is more detrimental that losing Malkin for one game.

So this is the way IIHF thinks its going to deny Russia the gold? By suspending one of their best players for a BS thing like that? Now thats low. Its not going to make a difference anyway. the red machine is going to wax the finns.

Lets see, here's whats clear: "If the ref determined it was an attempt to kick, and the job of the ref is to literally enforce the rulebook, then the ref made the right call".

Congratulations, you've just stated a completely true and completely meaningless fact. I applaud your effort, though.

Completely meaningless? It's the reason why Malkin is suspended. You cannot hold an opinion on whether or not the IIHF should suspend Malkin because they do not have a choice.

With kicking and attempting to kick, there are no good and bad calls, there are only right and wrong calls. The right call is Match Penalty, the wrong call is anything but.


So this is the way IIHF thinks its going to deny Russia the gold? By suspending one of their best players for a BS thing like that? Now thats low. Its not going to make a difference anyway. the red machine is going to wax the finns.

I guess I wasn't clear. I will repeat...

IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE KICK WAS INTENDED TO INJURE. IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO KICK. THE RULES DO NOT ALLOW A REFEREE TO USE JUDGMENT HERE. HE MUST ASSESS A MATCH PENALTY. THAT PENALTY CARRIES AN AUTOMATIC ONE GAME SUSPENSION, WHICH THE IIHF CANNOT OVERRULE JUST BECAUSE IT IS THE OLYMPIC SEMI-FINAL HE WILL MISS.

So this is the way IIHF thinks its going to deny Russia the gold? By suspending one of their best players for a BS thing like that? Now thats low. Its not going to make a difference anyway. the red machine is going to wax the finns.

If it isnt going to make a difference, why are you building yourself an excuse?

Who are you trying to convince?

If it isnt going to make a difference, why are you building yourself an excuse?

Who are you trying to convince?
Are you sure your in the right thread ? I think you should be in "crying canada".

If it isnt going to make a difference, why are you building yourself an excuse?

Who are you trying to convince?

Read this everyone :

Hate em as much as any other generation of Russians.

You beat a listless Canadian team that didnt care at any point in the entire tournament. Obviously it makes this crop of Russians the best team ever.

http://www.hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=4698908&postcount=10

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Err, what's your point, and how does it address my comment?

If a person was so confident that their team would emerge victorious, why would they be building an excuse into a comment that expresses that?

And FTR, I expect the Russians will beat Finland as well.

But it's not like he was free to move and kicked Lecavalier near his face, the referee was keeping his upper body, the leg was his only free part to push away Vinny after he gave him the punch.. it didn't come close Vinny's face and didn't risk to injure the opponent.

Now that i think of that, could be a good tactic to send off an important player of your opponents..while his arms are blocked by the referee punch him! one of his leg would eventually move in reaction... :shakehead
Wow, how anyone can blame Lecavalier for this incident is beyond me. I guess you missed the part where Malkin took Vinny down in the first place by whacking him in the back of the head and pulling him to the ice. If you think what Vincent did in retaliation was "punching", you haven't seen too many fights.

Nothing justifies kicking at people with skates on, no matter how weak of an attempt it is. It was stupid of Lecavalier when he kicked at Kaspairitis a few years ago (which he got suspended for) and this was also stupid. Malkin is young, he'll learn to have a little more control over himself.

I don't know, maybee I'm tired. I have watched the replay in slow-mo like 20 times and I still can't see the disgraceful kick everybody is talking about.

The only thing I saw was Malkin and Lecavalier wrestling and hitting eachother, with Malkin losing his balance, dragging Lecavalier with him. I don't say he didn't kick him, I just couldn't see it myself.

If it isnt going to make a difference, why are you building yourself an excuse?

Who are you trying to convince?

No excuses. Its a fact that the IIHF had a strained relationship with the Russians and the punishment didn't fit the crime.

Does anyone have a link for the video? The one on the first page isnt working for me.

No excuses. Its a fact that the IIHF had a strained relationship with the Russians and the punishment didn't fit the crime.

Now you're implying a conspiracy theory on top of an excuse.

For your sake, I hope the Russians beat the Finns...

Incidentally, what does the strained relationship between the Russian Federation and the IIHF have to do with anything?

The referee - who IIRC isnt a representative of the IIHF - made the call on the match penalty. A kick is an attempt to injure. An attempt to injure is a match penatly. A match penalty is a one game suspension.

The only thing the IIHF did here is obey it's own bylaws. But then, as you mention yourself, the two organizations are strained at the moment. Mainly because the RF is expecting that it should be treated differently than everyone else. Maybe you are just pissed that in this instance as well, Russia is not above everyone else, and has to pay the same penalty anyone else would for a similar incident.

He 100% tried to kick him. I saw it live so if you can not see in replays than you are not looking. He tried to kick him and should be suspended. I don't think that because I'm Canadian either because I couldn't care less who wins now.

please stop complaining about this decision.

I'm Russian and must say Malkin got what he deserved, although I believe that he didn't think before acting.

we'll miss him tomorrow!

Case closed! :teach:

Well bertuzzi sucker-punched Moore because of emotions :sarcasm:

that's a really weak excuse if you ask me...

Dirty and thats it... thank god, the kick didnt connect...
You compare pre-meditated assault to a knee-jerk reaction (pun intended). Anyway, it was done, penalized, and now it's up to drama queens to chew on it till their teeth fall out.

No excuses. Its a fact that the IIHF had a strained relationship with the Russians and the punishment didn't fit the crime.

:banghead:

I will again repeat...

A MATCH PENALTY CARRIES AN AUTOMATIC ONE GAME SUSPENSION, WHICH THE IIHF CANNOT OVERRULE.

Is it really that hard to understand?

:banghead:

Is it really that hard to understand?

:banghead:
a little bit...

I hope that was sarcastic.

So he is out?

Unlike in the NHL, you cannot connect your shoulder with an opponent's head in IIHF competition. It is blatantly against the rules. Ruutu got what he deserved.


Van, you haven't seen the video. Go watch the video, it was a clean shoulder-to-shoulder hit.

I challenge to you find a pic or video that says otherwise. Many have tried, all of them have failed.

If you have seen the slow-mo video and still claim it was hit to the head, well I wouldn't want to play in the league you're reffing in.

Ruutu's hit was charging, theres no disputing that.

Intent to injure as well.

kicking is overrated

just like that "kicking motion" that got havlat suspended, when he was flying onto the net and it would be completely impossible not to swing ones leg

ugh, this pisses me off

Wow, talk about making up your own truth, Havlat admitted to kicking and that it was a terrible decision the next day. (but wait he was flying in...B.S.!)

Also, for anyone who interested the attempted kick happens right after Lecavalier's helmet gets knocked off, it's very apparent.

Unlike in the NHL, you cannot connect your shoulder with an opponent's head in IIHF competition. It is blatantly against the rules. Ruutu got what he deserved.

Seen the tackle? If yes, do you usually see stuff others doesn't? It could be symptom of something serious.

http://www.saunalahti.fi/kholtta/kyy1.jpg
http://www.saunalahti.fi/kholtta/kyy2.jpg
http://www.saunalahti.fi/kholtta/kyy3.jpg

Tell me where Ruutu's shoulder connects with Jagr's head?

He tried to kick Lecavalier. How can you say the penalty was undeserved?Cause for the reasons i stated above it doesn't look to me like he tried to kick Lecavalier.

It's not embarassing for the IIHF. They didn't suspend him, the rulebook did.One of the main characters it's not going to play in the olympics semis (a VERY important game) despite he didn't anything bad. Ruutu succesfully tried to injure Jagr and wasn't suspended for any preliminary round game (not important ones). That's what i find stupid/embarassing.

If that's the result of the rulebook then i guess i have problems with the rulebook.
(and again, if someone really tries to kick someone else face should get banned from international competition for one season, not for a game)


The IIHF cannot rescind the call, and the IIHF cannot overrule the rulebook. The rulebook says Malkin sits one game for the Match Penalty. There is no judgment here by the IIHF, just enforcement of its own rules. Case closed.Well, even if TV proves the referee wrong they can't do anything with the ref decision? I'm not talking of this debatable case now, suppose you have a blatant error, where for example the ref send out with a match penalty the wrong guy. That wrong guy is going to be suspended none the less? Is that not stupid?


IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE KICK WAS INTENDED TO INJURE. IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO KICK. THE RULES DO NOT ALLOW A REFEREE TO USE JUDGMENT HERE. HE MUST ASSESS A MATCH PENALTY. THAT PENALTY CARRIES AN AUTOMATIC ONE GAME SUSPENSION, WHICH THE IIHF CANNOT OVERRULE JUST BECAUSE IT IS THE OLYMPIC SEMI-FINAL HE WILL MISS. Well, in this case this makes for a very unfortunate situation to say the least.




He 100% tried to kick him. I saw it live soand I guess you were wearing Canadian glasses (read: supporting Canada as hard as you could) while watching live..


The referee - who IIRC isnt a representative of the IIHF - made the call on the match penalty. A kick is an attempt to injure. An attempt to injure is a match penatly. A match penalty is a one game suspension.It was not an attempt to injure by any means, at all. Ruutu’s charge was an attempt to injure, yet he wasn’t suspended.

I'm Russian and must say Malkin got what he deserved, although I believe that he didn't think before acting.

we'll miss him tomorrow!

Case closed!lol, I’m NOT Russian and I think Malkin didn’t deserve what he got! Case closed for you? Fine.




Wow, how anyone can blame Lecavalier for this incident is beyond me. I guess you missed the part where Malkin took Vinny down in the first place by whacking him in the back of the head and pulling him to the ice.Sotnos, I’m not blaming Vinny. I’ve said in a post above the ‘punch’ Malkin got was deserved (yet stupid, out of his nerves by Vinny, cause without his reaction his team was going to have a key PP after Malkin’s blatant foul-->So I have not missed that part).

If you think what Vincent did in retaliation was "punching", you haven't seen too many fights.Ok, but if that was not a punch (and it wasn’t a real one in fact) then NO WAY the Malkin’s one is a kick either! :)

Nothing justifies kicking at people with skates onthe point is imo Malkin was just pushing Lecavalier away, using his leg since the ref was over him.

This has gone on long enough. The majority of you can't just agree to disagree and move on.