Korolyuk out with a groin injury

And with him gone, why, why are substituting him with Nepryaev? How difficult is it to call Morozov?

And with him gone, why, why are substituting him with Nepryaev? How difficult is it to call Morozov? :(

What's the injury?

As for Morozov we don't know if he made himself available..

We already know that Morozov refused to be a replacement player, just like Korolyuk.

Korolyuk got in because of Zhamnov's injury, and as a result there was no chance Morozov would play.

Still, Krikunov had said that either Nepryaev or Grigorenko would be called up, but he prefered Nepryaev because he's training in Switzerland with his Russian team Lokomotiv Yaroslavl.

We already know that Morozov refused to be a replacement player, just like Korolyuk.

Korolyuk got in because of Zhamnov's injury, and as a result there was no chance Morozov would play.

Still, Krikunov had said that either Nepryaev or Grigorenko would be called up, but he prefered Nepryaev because he's training in Switzerland with his Russian team Lokomotiv Yaroslavl.

But Ivan is rather green :shakehead

What'd he hurt?

What'd he hurt?

Groin

Den, maybe you should edit the title thread to something more explicit? Please?

Krikunov has roles for his players. Korolyuk's role is more of a checker, I do not see Morozov doing that as he is not that good defensively. I know Nepryaev is a defensive type of forward and I trust Krikunov's decision, finally there is a coach that has some sort of a gameplan.

Groin
Darn, is he out for the tournament, or just next game? (Assuming they go on farther...)

Darn, is he out for the tournament, or just next game? (Assuming they go on farther...)

out of tourney :cry:

Darn, is he out for the tournament, or just next game? (Assuming they go on farther...)

There are two games to play in any case...

Darn, is he out for the tournament, or just next game? (Assuming they go on farther...)


I saw him leave the game in the 3rd period. How serious is it, no chance of him coming back for the next game a la Datsyuk, Volchenkov, and whoever else is playing hurt? Can we get a link please?

I saw him leave the game in the 3rd period. How serious is it, no chance of him coming back for the next game a la Datsyuk, Volchenkov, and whoever else is playing hurt? Can we get a link please?


http://turin.gazeta.ru/turin2006/2006/02/23/a_548412.shtml

http://turin.gazeta.ru/turin2006/2006/02/23/a_548412.shtml

Even though I can read it, I can't understand it. :)
Care to translate?

Even though I can read it, I can't understand it. :)
Care to translate?


Blah, blah, blah, Korky out with a groin injury and will be replaced with Ivan Nepryaev from Lokomotiv, currently practicing in Switzerland.

That sucks....

Khabibulin (which Im thankful for), Zhitnik, Frolov, and Korolyuk all out. This one hurts especially since Korolyuk has been one of Russia's better players. Anyone care to give us the lowdown on Nepriyev or whatever, who wasnt really a strong candidate to make the Olympic team from the getgo... why not call Brylin, Morozov, Zherdev, or something? They could be here by the time we play Finland. I guess the North American guys would take a while to adjust, but im sure the RSL has more to offer than Lokomotiv's best.

I saw him leave the game in the 3rd period. How serious is it, no chance of him coming back for the next game a la Datsyuk, Volchenkov, and whoever else is playing hurt? Can we get a link please?

At least you saw right (so did I). Bob "old" Cole thought it was Smyth that left for the dressing room even though the player that left was blatantly wearing a RED FRICKEN JERSEY!!!


Cole has got to go!!!

http://www.russianprospects.com/public/profile.php?player_id=172

Yeah, our "utility" players are sure getting utilized fast.

Losing Korolyuk sucks, but we'll deal, I think.

That sucks....

Khabibulin (which Im thankful for), Zhitnik, Frolov, and Korolyuk all out. This one hurts especially since Korolyuk has been one of Russia's better players. Anyone care to give us the lowdown on Nepriyev or whatever, who wasnt really a strong candidate to make the Olympic team from the getgo... why not call Brylin, Morozov, Zherdev, or something? They could be here by the time we play Finland. I guess the North American guys would take a while to adjust, but im sure the RSL has more to offer than Lokomotiv's best.

Well, Korky has been very usefull, but not a goal scorer as he should be. Nepryaev is a defensive forward, played in the last WC. But of course there's no question that there are equivalent or slightly better substitutions from RSL: Chistov, Kudermetov, Zaripov, Grigorenko. He must have some raport with Taratukhin who was quite sharp on defence, and has been winning some face-offs, may be that's the deal... But then Antipov or But would be as good, and they are better scorers. I'd probably take Antipov actually since they play on the same line with Taratukhin.

At least you saw right (so did I). Bob "old" Cole thought it was Smyth that left for the dressing room even though the player that left was blatantly wearing a RED FRICKEN JERSEY!!!


Cole has got to go!!!

Oh, I remeber that one :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

We had 0 centers in 4th line, now we have 2 :shakehead:

why is it nepryaev instead of grigorenko? i guess b/c nepryaev is a better defensive player? i think grigorenko was an all-star at a tournament when he played w/ datsyuk and kovalchuk? has he not recovered fully from the accident?

why is it nepryaev instead of grigorenko? i guess b/c nepryaev is a better defensive player? i think grigorenko was an all-star at a tournament when he played w/ datsyuk and kovalchuk? has he not recovered fully from the accident?
I guess it's because full squad of Yurznivov's Lokomotive is training in Switzerland now :D :D

We had 0 centers in 4th line, now we have 2 :shakehead:

Well, he isn't realy a center, in fact they play with Taratukhin on one line ocasionally

why is it nepryaev instead of grigorenko? i guess b/c nepryaev is a better defensive player? i think grigorenko was an all-star at a tournament when he played w/ datsyuk and kovalchuk? has he not recovered fully from the accident?

There are players in line even ahead of Grigs. Grigs is slowly coming back to his old self, but he's not there yet.

this is a joke. ridic that morozov isnt on this team. blah blah. i dont care, they beat canada. morozov should be on this team. blah blah. too drunk to care. so silly that morozov isnt added to this team. blah nepryaev blah

I’ve always liked Nepryaev, but I am surprised and disappointed they didn’t pick Antipov (who is practicing as well in Switzerland with Loko I guess..)
Besides, Brylin should have been on the taxi squad and would have been a proper replacement (and instead of Taratukhin already).

Let Taratukhin play. The minor role that he has on the team provides him with invaluable experience. Just imagine how much more ready he will be for the upcoming world championships after participating in this olympics.

It's really sad to see Korolyuk go. He was excellent for us and was a big part of this team. Morozov refused to come as a replacement player so screw him. Nepryaev is a good choice I think.

Also, Malkin is only missing the semis, right? He'll be allowed to play in the bronze or hopefully the gold game?

what's krikunov going to do without 4 full lines for fri? does he double shift someone the whole game? does he rotate 3 centers through 4 sets of wings? does he double shift 2 different centers? or does he just use 3 basic lines and then have nepryaev and afino see some time on special teams? i like this only because it makes krikunov do something other than mechanically roll over his 4 lines without thinking.

why did morozov decline to go on the taxi squad? i wonder if he was really asked. even though he must have been disappointed in not being named to the team (rightly so) he had to know that he would most likely get a chance, and he could have helped the team win gold. and he could have increased his chances of being picked up a ufa with a good contract. i love morozov, am outraged that he wasnt named, but i still think he should have gone anyway. now he'd be playing in the semifinals. i suspect krikunov never actually invited him.

the canada game was my gold medal game. when kovalev scored that goal, how great a feeling was that. with the way they played yesterday, i cant see them losing (though they need to do something about the pp, like put kovalchuk on the point).

According to the Gazeta.ru, Korolyuk still has some chances to play in the semifinal against Finland, at least he said he will do everything he can to play there. http://turin.gazeta.ru/turin2006/news.shtml#549086

At least you saw right (so did I). Bob "old" Cole thought it was Smyth that left for the dressing room even though the player that left was blatantly wearing a RED FRICKEN JERSEY!!!


Cole has got to go!!!
Maybe you need to go, it was neale who said it.

is it safe to say Zherdev is blacklisted?

is it safe to say Zherdev is blacklisted?
he's not blacklisted, he's just not good enough.

he's not blacklisted, he's just not good enough.

...you're kidding right?

Great patriotism and dedication by Korolyuk to give at all he's got an try to play injured. He has been one of Russia's better players, and most have been pretty darn good.

...you're kidding right?


We already have one Afinogenov on the team, and this one has the experience of scoring the only goal against the Czechs in 2002 and scoring some clutch goals for Russia in 2005. Sorry, Zherdev is not yet a great enough offensive threat to warrant taking him as a go-to offensive guy who will not be relied upon to play defense. Admit it, he is not quite Ovechkin yet.

Brylin would have been the best replacement, as he could have taken Malkin's spot on the 2nd/3rd line for the semifinal, and played on the 4th line in the final. However, I think he refused to wait around in Turin given that he might or might not play. Im fairly sure he would agree to come play, but think about it, we fly him over to Italy in 16 hours or so, and then he has to switch over timezones and such for like 5 days... Napryiev or whatever might be a better pick.

However: Morozov, Zvinovjev, Mozyakin, Antipov, But, Kurdometov, Chistov, Grigorenko (and possibly Semin or Zaripov) are some RSL names I presonally would consider ahead of Napryiev. Granted, not many of these guys are solid defensive forwards which our Lokomotiv friend in question supposedly is.

I guess who gets 4th line duty isnt crucial as long as they do their defensive job. I just dont like how our 4th line went from a thread with Frolov, Korolyuk, and Kozlov being on it... to an actual 4th line.

Korolyuk was great killing penalties and just being a solid two way forward, I hope he can play.

We already have one Afinogenov on the team, and this one has the experience of scoring the only goal against the Czechs in 2002 and scoring some clutch goals for Russia in 2005. Sorry, Zherdev is not yet a great enough offensive threat to warrant taking him as a go-to offensive guy who will not be relied upon to play defense. Admit it, he is not quite Ovechkin yet.

Yes, he's not a defensive specialist and yes, he's not Ovechkin

But skill-wise he's better than half the players on the roster

definately better than: Teretukhin, Nep, Kharitonov, Afinogenov, Zhamnov, Frolov for starters

Korolyuk was great killing penalties and just being a solid two way forward, I hope he can play.

me too

But skill-wise he's better than half the players on the roster

definately better than: Teretukhin, Nep, Kharitonov, Afinogenov, Zhamnov, Frolov for starters

Ehhh. Ahhh. Spoken like a true expert: Zherdev better than two centers, one of whom you can't spell correctly and the other is not on the team. Better then three more guys who have proved themselves time and again and scored clutch goals (Max), important goals (Kharitonov) and simply scored (Frolov). Yep, we should have taken him over Turapupkin.

But in fact I think he is blacklisted with this coaching staff.

However: Morozov, Zvinovjev, Mozyakin, Antipov, But, Kurdometov, Chistov, Grigorenko (and possibly Semin or Zaripov) are some RSL names I presonally would consider ahead of Napryiev. Granted, not many of these guys are solid defensive forwards which our Lokomotiv friend in question supposedly is.

I would also take these ones over Nepryaev with the exception of a) Semin who has been disappearing big time as of late, b) Zinoviev, who is a center, but Ivan played in 2005 WC with 11 players from this roster, so I don't think he will fail. Although Antipov would be a better choice and similarly available. Nepryaev also has the upside that he can play both center and wing

Ehhh. Ahhh. Spoken like a true expert: Zherdev better than two centers, one of whom you can't spell correctly and the other is not on the team. Better then three more guys who have proved themselves time and again and scored clutch goals (Max), important goals (Kharitonov) and simply scored (Frolov). Yep, we should have taken him over Turapupkin.

But in fact I think he is blacklisted with this coaching staff.

i was speaking in skill - god forbid i make a typo on a name or two. zhamnov was named to the team originally, no?

afinogenov = experience means absolutely nothing in short tournaments such as these. nothing. past success doesnt mean anything and canada has already shown that first hand. not saying i dont like him, i'm a fan, but he's nowhere near Nik's level

kharitonov = i still dont think he should be on the team.

frolov = zherdev is on a similar level as frolov, and i'm suprised he wasnt called in once frolov was injured....which leads me to more baffling as to why Tara/Nep have been called and still no Zherdev

Yes, he's not a defensive specialist and yes, he's not Ovechkin

But skill-wise he's better than half the players on the roster

definately better than: Teretukhin, Nep, Kharitonov, Afinogenov, Zhamnov, Frolov for starters


Agreed. However, there are only so many skilled purely offensive guys we can have on the team. Someone has to play defense.... Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, and to a lesser extent guys like Kovalev dont. Zherdev isn't yet good enough to take the roster spot of one of those purely offensive guys. Nor is he good enough to replace our well-rounded stars like Datsyuk, Malkin, and Sushinsky.

-Taratukhin made the roster because a center was needed, and he is a hardworking defensive forward, something that was needed for the 4th line. Zherdev is neither a center nor a defensive specialist. Brylin or Fedorov may have been better choices, but for one reason or another, they arent in Turin.

-Nep I don't know about much. Supposedly he was selected for 4th line duty, something the RSL alternatives I mentioned weren't as suitable for. Nep, like Taratukhin is a replacement, and as I reasoned above, it would be illogical to fly an NHLer replacement into Turin, especially not Zherdev for 4th line duty.

-Kharitonov has had excellent combination plays with Sushinsky and Malkin. Has been excellent in his playmaking role, and pulled a sick move against Canada to split the defence and break in alone on Brodeur. He is also no slouch on defence, and unlike Zherdev, is Sushinsky's and Malkin's linemate for the better portion of the year. (Dynamo and team Russia)

-Afinogenov I'm going to argue is more skilled than Zherdev. Have you seen some of the stuff Afinogenov can do... calling him not as skilled as someone is a sin unless you are talking about Datsyuk or something. He has performed similarly to Zherdev in the NHL this year, but the above mentioned experience makes the difference.

-Zhamnov, despite having a bad season and being injured in Boston is no slouch in terms of skill. He is not the Zhamnov of 1993, but he is still okay and brings vetran experience, leadership, and 3 Olympic games under his belt to the team. He was also buddies with Pavel Bure and a center, something which Russia needed and Zherdev is not. Thus he made the team.

-Frolov is outperforming Zherdev in the NHL offensively. He is also a large player who is known for his hussle and defence... not Zherdev's forte. Maybe not as purely skilled, but a better overall player, much more suited to the 4th line on which he played. He may be missed.

I know Zherdev is a fellow xaxol, but c'mon Metalian, he was behind at least Morozov on the right wing depth chart after those who made the team... and knowing Krikunov, probably some guy like Grigorenko as well. Its not yet his time, he should get play in the World Championships given how well Columbus is doing, and show the World what he is made of in 2010.

frolov = zherdev is on a similar level as frolov, and i'm suprised he wasnt called in once frolov was injured....which leads me to more baffling as to why Tara/Nep have been called and still no Zherdev

Please refer to my above comments on how impractical it would be to bring over a replacement from North America.

which leads me to more baffling as to why Tara/Nep have been called and still no Zherdev

Because a centre + Kozlov as a wing >>>> Kozlov as center + Zherdev

Its not yet his time, he should get play in the World Championships given how well Columbus is doing, and show the World what he is made of in 2010.

Most of these guys played in Eurotour, WC's and have gelled together, proven themselves. I mean, the guy has to 1) show some interest in representing, 2) play a tourny or two before the OG... And that's why he is blacklisted for now. Then again right now, Morozov, Grigs, Chistov > Zherdev for the position

Agreed. However, there are only so many skilled purely offensive guys we can have on the team. Someone has to play defense.... Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, and to a lesser extent guys like Kovalev dont. Zherdev isn't yet good enough to take the roster spot of one of those purely offensive guys.

fair enough. good points.


-Taratukhin made the roster because a center was needed, and he is a hardworking defensive forward, something that was needed for the 4th line. Zherdev is neither a center nor a defensive specialist. Brylin or Fedorov may have been better choices, but for one reason or another, they arent in Turin.


for the sake of positioning, sure thing, Tara can be taken off the list.


-Nep I don't know about much. Supposedly he was selected for 4th line duty, something the RSL alternatives I mentioned weren't as suitable for. Nep, like Taratukhin is a replacement, and as I reasoned above, it would be illogical to fly an NHLer replacement into Turin, especially not Zherdev for 4th line duty.


You make flying someone in sound like a big deal. Though yes, it's more practical to pick a RSL player, its not like the jetlag would have killed him.

and 4th line duty? what happened to "rolling 4 lines"? wasnt that the reasoning for malkin being on the 4th?


-Kharitonov has had excellent combination plays with Sushinsky and Malkin. Has been excellent in his playmaking role, and pulled a sick move against Canada to split the defence and break in alone on Brodeur. He is also no slouch on defence, and unlike Zherdev, is Sushinsky's and Malkin's linemate for the better portion of the year. (Dynamo and team Russia)
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I agree'd with Shish being on the team, but I still say that Zherdev with the two of them would have been better - season chemistry or not. I have so far been unimpressed with Khari

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-Afinogenov I'm going to argue is more skilled than Zherdev. Have you seen some of the stuff Afinogenov can do... calling him not as skilled as someone is a sin unless you are talking about Datsyuk or something. He has performed similarly to Zherdev in the NHL this year, but the above mentioned experience makes the difference.

-Zhamnov, despite having a bad season and being injured in Boston is no slouch in terms of skill. He is not the Zhamnov of 1993, but he is still okay and brings vetran experience, leadership, and 3 Olympic games under his belt to the team. He was also buddies with Pavel Bure and a center, something which Russia needed and Zherdev is not. Thus he made the team.


Afinogenov is a tease. He is in no way as skilled as Nik. Not even close. Yes, he pulled off some nice dekes when he was younger and still can from time to time, but for gods sake he cant finish at a high level. He's on dimensional and isn't even dominant in his one dimension.

Zhamnov was good years ago, not anymore. He was Russia's "Kris Draper" I guess...

Frolov is hardly outperforming Zherdev offensively though. Nik had a slow start but for the last while has really turned it on while Alex is cooling off.


I know Zherdev is a fellow xaxol, but c'mon Metalian, he was behind at least Morozov on the right wing depth chart after those who made the team... and knowing Krikunov, probably some guy like Grigorenko as well. Its not yet his time, he should get play in the World Championships given how well Columbus is doing, and show the World what he is made of in 2010.

Xaxol? I dont know what that is but it sounds like *******.. :dunno:

He shouldnt be behind Morozov or Grigorenko though. To say that is a joke. Give me a break :rolleyes:

Chistov > Zherdev

:biglaugh: funniest thing i've EVER read on these boards

:biglaugh: funniest thing i've EVER read on these boards

Didn't we go thru a bunch of :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: somewehere? Have you seen Chistov play recently? Say in Spengler Cup? Ok you can stick with your :biglaugh: :biglaugh: and I'll stick with mine.

But, man, aren't we biased here :shakehead

Metallian, the fact that Zherdev was born in Kiev, Ukraine doesn't make him good enough... i think you're cheering for him only because of that...

Metallian, the fact that Zherdev was born in Kiev, Ukraine doesn't make him good enough... i think you're cheering for him only because of that...

:rolleyes:

The fact that these guys play for you locally in the RSL doesn't make them better.

Theres a reason a lot of these guys are still in the RSL...because they aren't good enough for the NHL.

Didn't we go thru a bunch of :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: somewehere? Have you seen Chistov play recently? Say in Spengler Cup? Ok you can stick with your :biglaugh: :biglaugh: and I'll stick with mine.

The SPENGLER CUP :biglaugh:

:rolleyes:

The fact that these guys play for you locally in the RSL doesn't make them better.

Theres a reason a lot of these guys are still in the RSL...because they aren't good enough for the NHL.

Kharitonov must have not known this when he split the two NHLers yesterday

The SPENGLER CUP :biglaugh:

You should really stop using the hand banging little idiot. It begins to mess up my eyes

Kharitonov must have not known this when he split the two NHLers yesterday

one play and all of a sudden he's an allstar :shakehead

one play and all of a sudden he's an allstar :shakehead

I thought you could do better then using the good old "not an NHL pleyer - a bad player" routine. You don't need to be 20/20 to see that Kharitonov-Malkin-Su outplayed most NHLers here

I thought you could do better then using the good old "not an NHL pleyer - a bad player" routine. You don't need to be 20/20 to see that Kharitonov-Malkin-Su outplayed most NHLers here
I am generally against the whole "NHL>RSL" argument, but when you compare a guy getting over a point a game in the NHL [in recent play] to an undersized guy who hasn't played in the NHL for over 5 years, then something is definately wrong

And so far, Khari is the odd man out on that line

I am generally against the whole "NHL>RSL" argument, but when you compare a guy getting over a point a game in the NHL [in recent play] to an undersized guy who hasn't played in the NHL for over 5 years, then something is definately wrong

And so far, Khari is the odd man out on that line

Recent play isn't good enough. Go to the WC, go to the Eurotour, play the first have of the season for a change.

I don't get it: what's odd about Kharitonov on that line? He fits like hand on glove. You seem to built team on a name bases: why do we another need a right wing if there 4 already on the team who are better then him? Why would we take a right wing Zherdev over left Kharitonov, when it's has been shown tourny after tourny that Sushinsky+Kharitonov works? You are right: it's wrong to compare Kharitonov who plays well and is right where he should be with a Mister X on a full position.

Recent play isn't good enough. Go to the WC, go to the Eurotour, play the first have of the season for a change.


Recent play isnt good enough for Z, but it is for guys like Chistov who played well in tournaments full of a lesser talent pool?

Dude, you're absolutely nuts.

Recent play isnt good enough for Z, but it is for guys like Chistov who played well in tournaments full of a lesser talent pool?

Dude, you're absolutely nuts.

2005-2006:
Zherdev: 0.68 PPG, -15 (what the ??)
Chistov: 0.74 PPG (in RSL!!), +26 (that is plus freaking 26 in RSL)

I am done arguing with you. I think Bonzi said it all.

2005-2006:
Zherdev 0.68 PPG -15 (what the ??)
Chistov 0.74 PPG (in RSL!!) +26 (that is plus freaking 26 in RSL)


Comparing interleague stats.

Christ.

This is ridiculous. :shakehead

Comparing interleague stats.

Christ.

This is ridiculous. :shakehead

Good try

Metallian, all we want to say is there are SOME players, better than Zherdev, and these players deserved the place in the national team more than Zherdev.

Metallian, all we want to say is there are SOME players, better than Zherdev, and these players deserved the place in the national team more than Zherdev.

you and Den are on completely different wavelengths.

Metallian, i LOVE zherdev because he rules, but state that he would fit THIS TEAM better than any other player already in the roster, it's a non-sense.
You have to choose the best player to fit team russia in the current status of it, not the best offensive talent.
Zherdev will be a lock in 2010 hopefully

Kharitonov > Iginla

if you don't agree with me, I believe you can go to hell :sarcasm:

;)

Didn't we go thru a bunch of :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: somewehere? Have you seen Chistov play recently? Say in Spengler Cup? Ok you can stick with your :biglaugh: :biglaugh: and I'll stick with mine.C’mon Den, I’ve seen Chistov in the first games of Spengler and he looked out of confidence/shape. He was SLOW as hell in that match Metallurg won through penalty shots (Kaigorodov with the winner) for example. He certainly can play better than that, but the Spengler’s Chistov is not as good as the current Zherdev, not at all.

C’mon Den, I’ve seen Chistov in the first games of Spengler and he looked out of confidence/shape. He was SLOW as hell in that match Metallurg won through penalty shots (Kaigorodov with the winner) for example. He certainly can play better than that, but the Spengler’s Chistov is not as good as the current Zherdev, not at all.

I've seen the last one and he ruled. But Spengler Cup was brought up only because that's the only tourney that could be seen in NA on TV

I've seen the last one and he ruled. But Spengler Cup was brought up only because that's the only tourney that could be seen in NA on TVOk, nice to know he ruled in the final cause a as fan of his i was depressed after watching him in that game i mentioned.

xaxol = Ukranian

I thought you could do better then using the good old "not an NHL pleyer - a bad player" routine. You don't need to be 20/20 to see that Kharitonov-Malkin-Su outplayed most NHLers here

Agreed. Especially Sushinsky I think. He's been just awesome.

As for Zherdev, he wouldn't fit this team. The guys we have here are all playing for Russia and all want to win. Zherdev would be more concerned with his personal stats.

As for Zherdev, he wouldn't fit this team. The guys we have here are all playing for Russia and all want to win. Zherdev would be more concerned with his personal stats.

How are you so sure of this?

xaxol = Ukranian

is there a derogatory term I can use for Russians so I can rebut this later?